Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reloaded podcast in last week. I'm lit. Welcome back
Speaker 1: guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on
Speaker 1: this podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest
Speaker 1: players in television.
Speaker 2: I don't like the reality show so that they cut
Speaker 2: within and into their life. I don't like them at all.
Speaker 1: But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.
Speaker 1: The truth is when I started writing it, it wasn't
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the news and casting agents.
Speaker 2: They know from a casting point of view what they need.
Speaker 1: And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers,
Speaker 1: not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making
Speaker 1: some of the best TV in Australia. We thought he'd
Speaker 1: be too just self aware.
Speaker 2: Well in fact exactly the opposite was true and he
Speaker 2: became the biggest character in the show.
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining me each week and I hope
Speaker 1: the podcast continues to give you real insight into the
Speaker 1: magic of television Today. On the podcast, I have Jordi
Speaker 1: Hanson from Australian survivors Blood Versus Water currently playing on
Speaker 1: Network ten. The Victorian Landscaper by trade is used to
Speaker 1: digging holes and getting himself out of them, and boy
Speaker 1: did he dig a lot of holes. Despite the ease
Speaker 1: of which he could make friends in the outside world,
Speaker 1: Jordi played Australian Survivor like a PG villain, always ruffling
Speaker 1: feathers and keeping people on their toes. He will forever
Speaker 1: be known as the Joker to Mark's Dark Knight. Today
Speaker 1: we'll talk about his courageous gameplay, how he would tweak
Speaker 1: Australian Survivor, who he thinks will win, and who is
Speaker 1: the least deserving to still be there. Anyway, I'd like
Speaker 1: to welcome Jordi Hansen to TV reload.
Speaker 2: I was targeted by every single person out there constantly
Speaker 2: previously on Australian Survivor. This is the most emotionally charged season.
Speaker 1: We all recognize that Jordie's a serious challenge for it.
Speaker 2: The Dark Knight beats the Joker once again. If Josh
Speaker 2: doesn't vote with us, this could be the end for
Speaker 2: the Joker. You're specifically told in the jury you're not
Speaker 2: allowed to communicate in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: Eighteenth first voted out of Blood Verse Water.
Speaker 2: Jordi relationships to me are the most important thing in
Speaker 2: the game. Hi Jordie, how are you, my friend? Very good?
Speaker 1: You were most certainly the noisiest player of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two series. Are you proud of your game play?
Speaker 2: Oh mate, I'm so proud. I'm very proud, very proud.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun, you know, And that was
Speaker 2: the aim, just go and have fun and play hard,
Speaker 2: and I did those things, and so now I feel
Speaker 2: very happy with myself.
Speaker 1: Well, that smelling hug with Jonathan look hilarious. What was
Speaker 1: in worse condition? Your body odor? Or those overalls?
Speaker 2: Oh mate, those overalls have seen some things. They're still
Speaker 2: I haven't even watched them. They're still in my cupboard.
Speaker 2: I'm sort of trying to work out what to do
Speaker 2: with them at the moment. But yeah, Jonathan did not
Speaker 2: want to barrow that hug, but I forced it upon
Speaker 2: him publicly.
Speaker 1: He looked genuinely terrified. Were you always scrambling? And did
Speaker 1: it feel like you were only getting by by the
Speaker 1: skin of your teeth every minute of that game?
Speaker 2: And I could not believe it, honestly, from the minute
Speaker 2: that Jesse went home. He went home day thirty. I
Speaker 2: went home day forty four. So for literally for two weeks.
Speaker 2: Every single day I was getting told your next buddy,
Speaker 2: you're ready to go pack your things, and I go, Matt,
Speaker 2: not yet, not yet, not yet, you know, and I
Speaker 2: just keep waking up on the beach, going how am
Speaker 2: I still here? I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Was it a smart move to align yourself with a
Speaker 1: villain against Mark's Dark Knight?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, that sort of sort of the character of
Speaker 2: the joke who was born very naturally. It's sort of
Speaker 2: it came out. I'm pretty sure Josh was the one
Speaker 2: that said it. He said, I don't understand how you's
Speaker 2: still laughing when we're all coming for you, you know,
Speaker 2: like I was. I was targeted by every single person
Speaker 2: out there constantly, day after day, but I was having
Speaker 2: more fun than any of them, you know. And then
Speaker 2: Mark jumped on the train, jumped on that DC train
Speaker 2: or whatever Marvel. I'm not sure what I thought. He'd
Speaker 2: call himself the Dark Knight. Very funny, very funny. The
Speaker 2: Dark Knight beats the Joker once again.
Speaker 1: How frustrating was Jesse losing that idol to Sam? Can
Speaker 1: we officially call Sammy the idol swindler if.
Speaker 2: You want, If that's what you want to call it
Speaker 2: you again? Yeah, absolutely too sneaky at cheeky little devil.
Speaker 1: Had that not had happened, the game would have been
Speaker 1: quite different for you. Was that really frustrating? And I
Speaker 1: mean was it hard to have that conversation with Jesse, like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, what were you thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was. It was frustrating because I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, we're sitting there in trouble and I said,
Speaker 2: I sort of said to him, I said, mate, where's
Speaker 2: the idol? And he says, it's in Turmy's bag. And
Speaker 2: before any of the votes got read out, I went, oh, no,
Speaker 2: it's done. They've got us. And he didn't suspect it.
Speaker 2: He trusted her so much, he trusted her with his life.
Speaker 2: But I knew that minute. I was like, oh no, literally,
Speaker 2: worst case scenario right now.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe that they managed to keep lying
Speaker 1: about it, Like I just like, this is amazing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope that child never grows up and watches their
Speaker 1: parents on this show, because that kid's going to be
Speaker 1: a nightmare as a teenager. Right.
Speaker 2: It was very funny, really funny. It's you know, they're
Speaker 2: great actors, and they played a very different game to me,
Speaker 2: they were ruthless. You know, that's what it takes. You know,
Speaker 2: that's what it takes. And they, you know, they did
Speaker 2: very very well, very well.
Speaker 1: Everyone I've spoken to so far, everyone you played up against,
Speaker 1: has said that you were making way too many deals
Speaker 1: and that no one could trust you. Was that kind
Speaker 1: of your intent? Were you trying to just see what's stuck?
Speaker 1: Or were you trying to confuse people? And overall was
Speaker 1: it a good gameplay?
Speaker 2: I was making a lot of deals because no one
Speaker 2: was doing anything. No one's no one's saying yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll work with you. No one would give me a
Speaker 2: solid answer, Like no one would say yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: let's do this, like no one. So I had to
Speaker 2: run around like what else was I supposed to do it?
Speaker 2: You know, like it what am I supposed to just
Speaker 2: sit there and go all right, I've made I've had
Speaker 2: one conversation. That's me done. You know, Like that's not
Speaker 2: how it worked.
Speaker 1: Like as Carn's lying around as the magic carpet from
Speaker 1: Aladdin and the girls are singing Disney songs and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: come and do deal with me.
Speaker 2: Come on, let's play, let's have fun, you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't come to sit around the fire and sing kumbayah.
Speaker 1: Sam looked so annoyed as Mark played that idol last night.
Speaker 1: Does sammy at this point, and obviously you have that
Speaker 1: chance to be there at the tribal council and talk
Speaker 1: to her. Does she think that they've lost the game?
Speaker 2: That was interesting. I think she wasn't sure. I don't
Speaker 2: probably remember having that conversation, but you know, it was
Speaker 2: funny seeing Mark play the idol when he didn't need
Speaker 2: to play it. That was that was sort of nice.
Speaker 2: But you know, it was sort of like Sam was
Speaker 2: always confident. She always she always was going to Backmark.
Speaker 2: You and I think and you know, those two really
Speaker 2: stuck together. You know, I was strong in their relationship
Speaker 2: and strong in their trusts for each other. So I
Speaker 2: have no doubt that she is continuing to sort of
Speaker 2: push him and go, yep, you've got this mate.
Speaker 1: I mean, the jury is sitting there. Do you think
Speaker 1: that they give too much away? Because I mean, this
Speaker 1: is kind of the first time it's been so noticeable
Speaker 1: for me as a viewer, And how much are you
Speaker 1: trying to read these signals from the jury.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because you're specifically told in the jury you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to communicate in any way, shape or form. However,
Speaker 2: facial expressions are uncontrollable, and so if you can sort
Speaker 2: of just look over at the right moment, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was sort of using those opportunities more as a
Speaker 2: time to try and continue to charm them a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, like you guys, has it going? Do you
Speaker 2: miss me? Sort of thing, like, you know, that was
Speaker 2: more what I was using those moments for, because realistically,
Speaker 2: there's only so much you can get from a facial expression.
Speaker 1: I just thought that those twins were the only ones
Speaker 1: with the best poker face, Like they were sitting there
Speaker 1: giving nothing away. But as an audience, I was watching it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, definitely read Sam's face, Samy's face. You
Speaker 1: could definitely read Card's face as much as I'm sure
Speaker 1: he doesn't think you would be able to. You definitely
Speaker 1: can get some signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Sammy couldn't control it. He could not
Speaker 2: control it one. But it's pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Well overall, people online last night were commenting on the
Speaker 1: current version of Australian Survivor versus Other World Survivors. I
Speaker 1: think because you are such such a passionate person of
Speaker 1: the game. This would be a great question to ask you.
Speaker 1: What would you change if you could tweak the current
Speaker 1: Australian format?
Speaker 2: Very good question as it stands. I really like it.
Speaker 2: I think they push you to your limit, like there
Speaker 2: is no help. There's no help from anyone. You know,
Speaker 2: people go, oh, are they giving you more food? Are
Speaker 2: they doing this? Are they doing that? It's nothing. You're
Speaker 2: out there on your own and they have no control
Speaker 2: over what happens. It's literally like if you go, guys,
Speaker 2: go and have fun. See how you go, you know,
Speaker 2: And I find that really good. The format in terms
Speaker 2: of numbers, perfect amount of people. I reckon days. I
Speaker 2: would almost say push it out, make it longer. That
Speaker 2: would work for me anyway. I would like to see that.
Speaker 2: I would, you know, if they ever made it harder,
Speaker 2: that would make me more exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll come back and do ninety days.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'd be there for one hundred, three hundred, let's
Speaker 2: do it. Lock me out there, lock me out there,
Speaker 2: just someone please pay my rent.
Speaker 1: Mate, you'd be dead. I reckon it about one hundred days.
Speaker 1: Yeah that environment, Yeah, no, I think that you'd also
Speaker 1: be very sick of doing what I learned on Kyle
Speaker 1: and Jackio today, which is how to pooh in the bush.
Speaker 2: You listen, you heard that.
Speaker 1: I literally have just been watching everything today. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've missed a single thing. And I didn't wash
Speaker 1: my hair and this is to try and look a
Speaker 1: little bit like you. So I'm a crazed fan. I've
Speaker 1: bought the Jordi showbag.
Speaker 2: Yes that's great, but never wash your hair again. If
Speaker 2: you're a true fan, never wash it again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, do you reckon that? You know? Sort of tying
Speaker 1: off the back of that last question, was Blood Versus
Speaker 1: Water are harder game to play? I mean, I was,
Speaker 1: honestly and is watching you reunite with your brother Jesse
Speaker 1: and he was in tears. I was in tears. You weren't.
Speaker 1: You were like, what's going on? Mate? But you know,
Speaker 1: did Blood Versus Water become a harder game to play
Speaker 1: a Survivor because you were playing with your brother? Or
Speaker 1: did it make it easier?
Speaker 2: That was the vibe out there, You know, we could
Speaker 2: it was a far more emotionally driven game than I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. You know, I've seen a lot of Survivor,
Speaker 2: and specifically Australian Survivor. This is the most emotionally charged season,
Speaker 2: I reckon we've ever seen. While it's good to have
Speaker 2: someone in there you know you can trust, it also
Speaker 2: means you feel like you've got this air of responsibility
Speaker 2: to look after that person. And so it goes both ways,
Speaker 2: you know. And I think you see once one person
Speaker 2: has left their partner, it's off, you know, like away
Speaker 2: they go. They've got no ties, they've got nothing, They're
Speaker 2: only risking their own games.
Speaker 1: Well, we have a final five. You know, who does
Speaker 1: deserve to be there the most at this point and
Speaker 1: who do you think has done the least.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question for me. It's Josh. Josh.
Speaker 2: Josh was the man. I gave him a hargot on
Speaker 2: the way out and I said, you've got this mate,
Speaker 2: you know, and I truly think he's got what it
Speaker 2: takes to take it out. He's built beautiful relationships, which
Speaker 2: I think is something that the others haven't done. Relationships,
Speaker 2: to me, are the most important thing in the game.
Speaker 2: If you can build really strong connections with people, you're
Speaker 2: going to struggle not to win them over at the end.
Speaker 2: So he's the one to watch for me in terms
Speaker 2: of people that have not done that as much. Mark
Speaker 2: has also played a fairly strong game. The others have
Speaker 2: played a different game, not the game that I would
Speaker 2: if I was on the jury and I was to vote.
Speaker 2: The others are perhaps not the way that I would vote.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see more strategy come from them.
Speaker 1: Who's the one person who's done the last Come on.
Speaker 2: Don't do this to me. Don't do this to me.
Speaker 1: I look, don't beleave the fifth.
Speaker 2: Look one thing, you know, and poor Chrissy, Poor Chrissy,
Speaker 2: she's not she'd not watched Survivor before coming out, you know,
Speaker 2: she's she She sort of would sort of come to
Speaker 2: us and go, right, who are we voting for, you know,
Speaker 2: and you'd give her a name and she vote, and
Speaker 2: you know, that's the game that she wanted to play.
Speaker 2: That's how she wanted to play. And all credit to her.
Speaker 2: If that's how you want to play, that's how you
Speaker 2: want to play. But to me, I don't think you're
Speaker 2: going to get many votes from the jury for that.
Speaker 1: No, but people were really tweeting in support of her
Speaker 1: last night, Like someone wrote, you know, Chrissy needs to
Speaker 1: be in every season of Survivor from now on, and
Speaker 1: I think very entertaining so much so, like I think
Speaker 1: that she's like Doggle boxing the show live, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious. It is quite funny. She's a beautiful commentator
Speaker 2: and such a fun check to be around, like so
Speaker 2: much fun. But unfortunately, being funny isn't going to win
Speaker 2: your voats. You know, you got to play Survivor our
Speaker 2: last out play. That's the rules.
Speaker 1: Well, my last question to ask anyone that joins the
Speaker 1: podcast is what's something from behind the scenes that he
Speaker 1: as an audience didn't get a chance to see that
Speaker 1: we would appreciate something that you know, you experienced through
Speaker 1: the making of Survivor.
Speaker 2: Josh at the spa at the Spa night. Not many
Speaker 2: people would know, but Josh is a heavy noticed so
Speaker 2: he did not bat an eyelid at the chance to
Speaker 2: get his kid off and have a shower at the
Speaker 2: spa day. That's something you didn't get to see.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for some.
Speaker 2: He's going to kill me. That's a total lie, Like
Speaker 2: that is a complete lie. But it's really funny and
Speaker 2: I hope he gets to hear this. He's going to
Speaker 2: kill me.
Speaker 1: I'll tag him in it.
Speaker 2: He'll love it.
Speaker 1: My heart ready, I'll get a few hits on that
Speaker 1: as well, if only we get to see that anyway, mate,
Speaker 1: can I just say you were just so fantastic. I mean,
Speaker 1: you and Chrissy to me have been such brilliant television
Speaker 1: to watch like you are just fantastic characters. I absolutely
Speaker 1: loved watching you on the show.
Speaker 2: And yeah, congratulations, I appreciate that, mate, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun. And yeah, I'm very grateful
Speaker 2: for the opportunity out of Blast.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking out for the car. I was in
Speaker 1: black Rock, which I think you're down that way, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the car you want, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: I'll keep looking out for it.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it either, so if you see it,
Speaker 2: let me know.
Speaker 1: Oh have you not got it yet?
Speaker 2: No, I'm still waiting, still waiting.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well I shouldn't be looking at for car
Speaker 1: that doesn't really exist at this stage.
Speaker 2: Not yet. I'll flick your message when it comes.
Speaker 1: I won a car and big brother and my partner
Speaker 1: wrote it off about three months later, and so my
Speaker 1: mom said to me, easy come, easy go. And so
Speaker 1: what did Denzel Washington, say to Will Smith last night
Speaker 1: at the Academy Awards. When you're at your greatest, the
Speaker 1: devil comes for you.
Speaker 2: So here it comes. Oh how the mighty have fallen?
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, one hundred percent. Anyway, we won't talk about
Speaker 1: Will Smith. But thanks mate for joining me today.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.