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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken, your dose of the hottest

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Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate

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Speaker 1: Torber and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists Amy

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Speaker 1: and Sophie. On today's show, mitch Orville's Takeaway Store closes

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Speaker 1: its doors just four months after opening. The similarities between

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Speaker 1: two Australian beauty brands have gone viral, and Love Island's

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Speaker 1: Josh Moss speaks out about his split from Amelia Marni

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Speaker 1: But First, Keep Her Cleaner. Founder Laura Henshaw has opened

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Speaker 1: up about her gift giving etiquette so on the podcast

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Speaker 1: she hosts with Steph Claire Smith, she spoke about how

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Speaker 1: she had given her husband Dalton a birthday present, which

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Speaker 1: ended up being a bunch of new clothes because he

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Speaker 1: had cleaned out his wardrobe and didn't really have much

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Speaker 1: to wear. So she was really sweet and gone out

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Speaker 1: and picked out all these things. But then when he

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Speaker 1: opened up the parcels, he started laughing and was like, Laura,

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Speaker 1: what were you thinking. I've had a number of awkward

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Speaker 1: experiences with Dale where he's bought me clothes and I

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Speaker 1: did say that I didn't like one of the dresses

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Speaker 1: but I felt really really bad, and actually recently when

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Speaker 1: we moved, I thought about donating them to charity, but

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Speaker 1: then felt too bad, so just have held on to them. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing is, Laura was explaining that she shares her

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Speaker 1: bank account with Dalton, so essentially, when she gives him

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Speaker 1: a gift, he's kind of financially contributed to it anyway.

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Speaker 1: So I think she was trying to justify that she

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Speaker 1: wasn't offended because it's kind of like his own money.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of good that they can be so honest

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Speaker 1: with one another. I would struggle to say that I

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Speaker 1: hated a gift from my partner. I mean, I'm lucky

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Speaker 1: because he is quite good at giving presents. But I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes you can just tell in someone's face whether

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Speaker 1: they like it or hate it anyway. But poor Dalton,

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Speaker 1: because Kate's just said, he's thrown out all of his wardrobe,

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Speaker 1: So if all Laura had got him was clothes, he

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Speaker 1: would have been stuck wearing these ugly clothes he didn't like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because the thing with clothes is you actually have to

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Speaker 1: end up wearing them, especially in front of your wife.

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Speaker 1: Like if your friend gave you something and you don't

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Speaker 1: see them every day, you might be able to wear

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Speaker 1: it out as a bit of a Oh yep, I

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Speaker 1: do like it. However, yeah, when it's your wife, you

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Speaker 1: can't really lie about it. Well, let's put a thread

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Speaker 1: in our Facebook community. I'd love to know whether our

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Speaker 1: listeners are honest when they receive a present they hate,

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Speaker 1: or whether they play along with it. I also want

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Speaker 1: to see photos of weird clothes that your partner's bought

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Speaker 1: you that you just hate, because I'll have to share

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Speaker 1: the photos of the dress and the top that Dye

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Speaker 1: gave me. Yeah, they were not good, but little they

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Speaker 1: were from Wish or one of those bid sides. I

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Speaker 1: think you got them from Catch. That's even worse. Who

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Speaker 1: buys clothes from Catch?

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Speaker 2: A few viral videos going around the internet, So pour

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Speaker 2: yourself a Collagen hot chocolate because I've got a bit

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Speaker 2: of a story for you.

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Speaker 1: A TikTok video comparing the similarities between two Australian beauty

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The owner of the established skincare company Habitual Skin is

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Speaker 1: Australian influencer Kira Rumble Now. She launched the business in

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Speaker 1: July twenty twenty one, just five days after giving birth

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Speaker 1: to her son Hunter. The other beauty brand, Purely Byron,

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Speaker 1: Elsa is also classified as Australian Royalty after marrying Chris Hemsworth.

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Speaker 1: Now Purely Byron launched in early June twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: to much fanfare, with coverage in El Magazine, Marie Claire

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Speaker 1: and The Daily Mail. The company's Instagram account has already

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Speaker 1: attracted nine thousand followers in the first week of its launched. However,

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Speaker 1: the brand's existence only entered Kira Rumble's radar when her

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Speaker 1: loyal customers pointed out the similarities of the packaging, imagery

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Speaker 1: and website design. Things got even more interesting on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: night when Kira addressed the controversy on her Instagram story, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us what? She said? Well, Kira had

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Speaker 1: quite the story to share to her three hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty nine thousand Instagram followers. She explained, Habitual Beauty received

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Speaker 1: checks the orders herself and noticed it was from a

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Speaker 1: skincare company that was yet to launch. Kira says she

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Speaker 1: received another three bulk orders from the yet to be

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Speaker 1: to what Kira.

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Speaker 2: Said, and so a few days ago, I was aware

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Speaker 2: of a brand that had some very stark similarities to

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Speaker 2: Habitual Beauty from all elements, website, branding, colors, packaging, imagery,

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Speaker 2: you name it. So if you haven't put two and

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Speaker 2: two together, this brand is the same brand that ordered

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Speaker 2: not once, not twice, not three times, but four times

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Speaker 2: from my business. And don't get me wrong, I'm very

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Speaker 2: well aware that these things happen. I'm currently in Supreme

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Speaker 2: Board against IP Theft for my other business, Crumbled Foods.

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Speaker 2: But this is a perfect example of a deep pocket

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Speaker 2: business that have all of the resources in the world

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Speaker 2: available to them and they take shortcuts.

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Speaker 1: It is important for us to point out that Kira

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Speaker 1: did not name the skincare company in question and never

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Speaker 1: said they copied her. She added side note, let me

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Speaker 1: set the record straight. I'm very well versed with IP theft,

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Speaker 1: as I'm currently in the Supreme Court over this exact

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Speaker 1: matter and springboarding issue. I have had international trademark infringement

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Speaker 1: since the beginning of Crumbled, I have now had my

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Speaker 1: trademark squatted overseas the list goes on. I'm not stating

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Speaker 1: that there has been anything other than a very unethical

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Speaker 1: practice here, and one that is incredibly obvious after ordering

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Speaker 1: multiple bulk items to their office. It is frustrating as

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Speaker 1: a brand and a small business owner who has put

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Speaker 1: my entire life savings and time into creating something unique,

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Speaker 1: only to have a deep pocketed company with celebrity endorsements

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Speaker 1: is incredibly disappointing. To be crystal clear, I am a

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Speaker 1: massive fan of the celebrities involved in this matter, and

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Speaker 1: I just wish that other people they got into business

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Speaker 1: It is also vital for us to reiterate here that

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Speaker 1: we are not suggesting that Purely Byron has copied Habitual Beauty.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a really classy statement from Kira, though.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think it's quite clear that she is very

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Speaker 1: well versed in the business space and has gone through

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Speaker 1: issues like this before. Now Amy has Purely Byron responded

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Speaker 1: to Curra's statement well on Wednesday, Purely Byron started blocking

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The Daily Mail reported on the matter and they spoke

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Speaker 1: to the company's general manager, Jacqueline Rosen, who said that

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Speaker 1: Purely Byron rejects allegations of sampling or copying, which is

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Speaker 1: evidenced by the imminent release of their new range titled

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Speaker 1: the Native Sunrise Blend Collection. She went on to say

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Speaker 1: each product was created with an original formula over a

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Speaker 1: of the competitive landscape. This is commonplace across the industry. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: the packaging and color palette of our products was inspired

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Speaker 1: evidenced by numerous brands globally which utilized the same colors

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Speaker 1: isn't any issues around copying packaging or website or design.

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Speaker 1: It really comes down in this industry to copying the formula,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen it so much with fast fashion companies,

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Speaker 1: like there are so many fast fashion companies that literally

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Speaker 1: a really larger issue. It does seem like every week

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Speaker 1: there's a new product that people are saying is very

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Speaker 1: similar to another product, and I do feel for the

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Speaker 1: business owners out there who have started it. They might

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Speaker 1: As a consumer, I think one of the only things

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Speaker 1: Mitch Orvil's latest business venture, Shaq Takeaway, sadly appears to

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Speaker 1: have closed its doors less than four months after its

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Speaker 1: grand opening, Sophie, what happened? Well, Mitch and Chloe are

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Speaker 1: do have to say a big thank you to Meghan

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Speaker 1: Pisetto from So Dramatic who passed this story onto us. Basically,

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Speaker 1: one of Meghan's followers went to the Gold Coast specifically

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Speaker 1: to try a Chloe Zepp latte and was greeted with

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Speaker 1: an empty shop front. So inside the store, all of

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Speaker 1: It was basically an empty shell now. The takeaway store

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Speaker 1: people wondering just how hands on Mitch's role would be

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Speaker 1: As well as Mitch, there were three other owners of

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Speaker 1: Sophie mentioned before, was doing the renovations on the takeaway store.

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Speaker 1: So you would think that the married couple were in

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Speaker 1: this cafe like Megan's follower did and try some of

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Speaker 1: the food on the menu, because the takeaway menu was

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Speaker 1: epic when it launched and got a lot of attention

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Speaker 1: in the press, as Mitch named a number of the

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Speaker 1: menu items after his famous family members, So there was

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Speaker 1: the Kate zep protein pack, the Hangary Dad family pack,

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Speaker 1: the Chloe Zepp latte and of course the RTI fish pack.

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Speaker 1: And the couple were mocked by online publications for a

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Speaker 1: string of mistakes on the menu, with many words misspelled.

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Speaker 1: Prices were also listed wrong, and the final kicker was

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Speaker 1: that a large short black was listed on the menu,

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Speaker 1: so as I'm sure a lot of use coffee knobs

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Speaker 1: no more than thirty meals in size, so if extra

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Speaker 1: water is added, it becomes a long black or an Americano.

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Speaker 1: I think it is quite telling that Mitch and Chloe

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Speaker 1: and I do really feel for the couple because anyone

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm interested to hear about his single escapades

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