1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: The life's always a pendulum, right in actual effect, as 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: soon as I feel like as I'm in control, I 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: will deliberately sabotage myself and make it out of control. 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: So I will go, oh, I've got a bit, I've 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: got some time. Okay, I'll start saying yes to some 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: things and suddenly go, huh, I'm out of control. Okay, 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: A better say some nosome things. And so sometimes people 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: email me and I might say yes to something because 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm in a particular mood or frame of mind, and 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: the next day the lee ma must say no. So 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: it's so it's I mean, you're human, right, You're You're human. 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: And sometimes if you feel like you're out an ear, 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: I like to be a little bit, just not too 14 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: much out of control, but just on the edge. I 15 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: don't think if I'm not at a little bit out 16 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: of control or feel like I've got a little bit 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: of anxiousness, I feel like something's wrong. 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to How I Work, a show about the tactics 19 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: used by leading innovators to get so much out of 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: their day. I'm your host, doctor Amantha Imba. I'm an 21 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: organizational psychologist, the CEO of Inventium and I'm obsessed with 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: finding to optimize my workday. My guest on today's show 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: is Janine Alis. Janine is the founder of Boost Juice, 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: which now has over five hundred stores globally. You might 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: also know Janine as an investor on the TV show 26 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: Shack Tank. Janine has received a ton of awards, including 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: the Telstrap Businesswomen of the Year Award, and she's also 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: a mother of four kids. Needless to say, she is 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: a very busy person. I personally loved having a chat 30 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: with Janine because she really thinks very deeply about how 31 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: she structures her weeks, her days, and her life. We 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: cover a lot of different tips in this interview and 33 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: I certainly got a lot of great advice from it. 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: And one thing I particularly like, she's got a very 35 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: quirky tip on how to make checking email a bit 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: more fun. 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: So over to Janine to hear about how she works. Janine, 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 3: welcome to the show. 39 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: My pleasure, thanks for having me. Yeah. 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: Now I want to get into what a typical week 41 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: looks like for you, because you you were wearing so 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: many hats and juggling so many things. 43 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: So can you paint a picture of what a typical 44 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: week is like for you. 45 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Look, I think the reality is there is no typical week. 46 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: Ye. 47 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: The diversity of what I'm doing right now means that 48 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: every week is different. So for example, the last four weeks, 49 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: I was in Sydney for four times, I was in 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Brisboan for once, I was Adelaide once, I was in 51 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: Fiji and Balley all in the last four weeks. But 52 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: then in the next month I won't have any travel. 53 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: So it's it depends on that. It very much depends 54 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: on the week. At the end of the day, I've 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: got a number of businesses that I am involved with 56 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: and I've invested in through either Shark Tank or outside 57 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: of Shark Tank or through this through business, and then 58 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: I've got other things like family and life and yoga 59 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: and all the other things that you're throw into your life. 60 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: So typical week is no such thing. 61 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: Who can I ask, because I've heard you talk about 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: I think it was maybe a couple of years ago 63 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: where you had some rules that you'd apply for how 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: you structure your week. So even though there is I 65 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: guess a lot of randomness and unpredictability in a week, 66 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: I've heard you say that, like you'll have rules where 67 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: you'll try not to schedule meetings for the morning, and look, 68 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: I do it. 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: Look what happens is life is a pendulum. So what 70 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: you find is when you're actually doing work or life 71 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: or and this is anyone, not just people that run 72 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: their businesses, everyone is, you get yourself out of control 73 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: and you go, right, okay, well I can't reader my 74 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: children's names and I haven't fed them for a while, 75 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: and my work's suffering. And then you go, okay, I 76 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: need to manage that. Or you find that you spend 77 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: your whole day in front of the computer just answering emails, 78 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: which is completely which is a complete reactive way of working. 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: So through trial and error, like doing them all wrong, 80 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: you actually find ways at work. So for me, I go, 81 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't actually believe in life balance. I think there's 82 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: just life. So when someone says, you know, are you 83 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: working on the weekend, Well, I'm always I'm always on 84 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: and it's not because I'm a marter. It needs to 85 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: get done. I think I'm just built that way. And 86 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: she side story is I went to Bali and I 87 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: caught up with every now and then I have this 88 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: massage from Katut. His name's really Kututz, right, and he's 89 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: the master, right, and he is renowned. You've got a 90 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: book in six months to a buy. And so my 91 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: crazy American girlfriend on his books for him. And he's little, 92 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: and he jumps on your back and each with things. 93 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: And I said to him, I said, okay, I've got 94 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: this really busy mind. How do I sort of balance it? 95 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: And he stopped and looked at me and went, you 96 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: have busy mind. It's fine, just busy mind. Just get 97 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: on with it, enjoy it, right, And I expected him 98 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: to go meditate more, go go to a silent retreat 99 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. So I think, first and foremost, see how 100 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: you are as a personality, and don't don't feel like 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: you have to change who you are. But maximize your 102 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: positives and your negatives, because quite often people try and 103 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: get rid of their negatives, which actually then affects their positives. 104 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: So really be aware of who you are and what 105 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: you are. So I am a busy mind. So I 106 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: enjoy getting on my phone or my computer on the 107 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: weekend having a bit of a look. But because on 108 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: that way, I need to put rules around that so 109 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I can actually be as effective as I can. So 110 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: my diary is a really important tool. You know, what's 111 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: in the diary gets done, you know. And the diary 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: is a way for you to manage your time. You know. 113 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: So if I have a meeting, I want thirty minutes 114 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: before the meeting, so I've got time to prep. I 115 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: want thirty minutes after the meeting, so I've got time 116 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: to do minutes or reflect. So there's those rules. I 117 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: don't work until eleven o'clock, so you know, does that 118 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: mean that I get up at six o'clock and do work. 119 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Of course it does. But I don't actually come into 120 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: work till eleven o'clock. So that means I can walk 121 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: my daughter to school, take the dogs to a park, 122 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: and make sure I do my yoga. So that is 123 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: my rules. My rules are not having your phone on 124 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: when yoga is actually happening as well, so things like 125 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, set up sit in your diary. Going back 126 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: to your diary, is you know, having your diary block 127 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: a time where you only do emails, and then you 128 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: have block your time when you're only do meetings. And 129 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: for me, I always work Sunday nights, So for me, 130 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: I make sure that I start my week all nice 131 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: and clear on a Sunday night, and I try not 132 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: to have meetings on a Monday and Friday. So I 133 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: set myself up for Sunday night and then Monday's my 134 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: setup week and Friday's my wine down week. What have 135 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: I not got to that I can get to on 136 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a Friday? And if I keep those clear, I've got 137 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: time to do that. So that's kind of my structure. 138 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: And how long have you had that structure? 139 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: For Look, I've learned that early. And just so you know, 140 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: whenever you create a structure, it gets thrown out the 141 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: window a lot of the times, like that time I 142 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: said that I was in twenty five states in the 143 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: three in three weeks. So so but if you mostly 144 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: get that, it's right now. I've had that for decades, 145 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: so I've probably not decades, probably a decade, probably ten years. 146 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: That's sort of worked for me. Probably not the starting 147 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock. That's probably been more of a recent thing, 148 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: say the last five years, but certainly before then, certainly 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: the diary is really I manage my diary. I don't 150 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: know my diary manage me. 151 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice. 152 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: I'm curious, like with the not coming into work before 153 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: eleven am which I'm sure that some people would be like, well, 154 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: that's very extreme, Like what was it five years. 155 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: Ago that led you to do that? Do you remember? 156 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: Well? 157 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: I think what happens is you find that, in actual fact, 158 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: quite often people get stressed when they think they're out 159 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: of control. But if you actually stop and actually look 160 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: at what you've got on and actually do a list, 161 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: you actually go, oh, actually, I'm good, I know where 162 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: everything is. And that's where people get stressed. If they 163 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: get stressed, if they're going to forget something. So live 164 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: with a pattern. 165 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: Pin. 166 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: So going back to your question though, because I'm going 167 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: off in tangents, So going back to your question is 168 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: you know when when do I learn that it's when 169 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: things get out of control that you feel like you 170 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: have to put systems in place. And so things did 171 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: get out of control, you know, when I had little 172 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: kids and running boost and not running the business. You know, 173 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: I was going, God, where was the last time I 174 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: had some quality of time with them? So, okay, what 175 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: systems done into place? Well, I'll read the whole Harry 176 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: Potter series to them. So I used to do that 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: at night, which forced me to sit and be with them, 178 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: or I would make sure that I go, Okay, after work, 179 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: I will go on. So you find your first and foremost, 180 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: you find out what the problem is, and then you 181 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: find a solution. So the problem was I wasn't running 182 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: my time very effectively, and my solution was to start 183 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: running it more effectively. And that's all sorts of tools, 184 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: which is your diary. It is making I use tasks 185 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: really effectively, and the task and outlook you know, whether 186 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: it's notes, whether it's lists, whatever it is for that person. 187 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: So what you find though, when you're trying to find 188 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: your solution is you'll try a few things and see 189 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: if that jacket fits right. So you go, okay, that's 190 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: a bit tight. That system doesn't work for me. I'm 191 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: going to change the other jacket. All right, this jacket, okay, 192 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: this is work. Actually, this is working for me. I'm 193 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: not losing things. I'm not forgetting things that people say 194 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: to me. You're amazing, Jeannine. You never forget anything. It's 195 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: not because I don't forget anything because I forget heaps. 196 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: It's because I have a system so I don't forget. 197 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: So you've always got something on you to write stuff down. 198 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: For example, Yeah, I like that now you mentioned yoga, 199 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: and I've heard you speak about yoga and it seems 200 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: like it's such a passion in your life. Can you 201 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 2: tell me, like, how did you get into yoga and 202 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: how did that become a habit? Because I know for myself, 203 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: like I've dabbled with yoga, I think it's finally become 204 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: a minor habit, like I did one or two year 205 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 2: classes a week, But for you, I think you do 206 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: it like six times a week. 207 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: So can you tell me, like, how did you first 208 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 3: discover yoga? 209 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: I discovered yoga because a girlfriend asked me for coffee. 210 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: She wanted numbers. They had a teacher and they had 211 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: wanted numbers in a church in Brighton, and I went, oh, 212 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: yoga because I went to a couple of classes in 213 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: yoga in a gym and went, oh my god, it's 214 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: just a stretching class. It's just really it's quite pathetic. 215 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: And so I sort of went, Okay, I'll come because 216 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: I wanted the coffee. Wasn't the yoga a coffee? And 217 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: so I went to the class and there was a 218 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: teacher called Amanda Ferris who does a practice called a shtunger, 219 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: and I started the practice and the first thing she 220 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: said was law on your back. I went, oh, god, 221 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: this is a bit boring. And she said, we're going 222 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: to teach her breathe and so we did this breathing 223 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: for it. When Okay, it's boring, but she the coffee 224 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: in fun was talking was pretty good. So I went 225 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: again because I had the conversation. The coffee was pretty good. 226 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: So when again and she's we started to move in 227 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: the practice. So what got me into it and what 228 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: I would recommend anyone listening to this would do it 229 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: is fine the right teacher, Yeah, she was. I call 230 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: it the real deal. She was someone that went to 231 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: India four times a year, really understood that yoga isn't 232 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: just a movement of the body. It's actually a movement 233 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: of the breath and movement of the mind. And once 234 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: you actually discover a teacher who really does get it, 235 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: not someone that's just done a ten day course and 236 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: call themselves a yoga streacher and does it at a gym. 237 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: When you truly find the right teacher, yoga can be 238 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: actually incredibly transformative. So for me, I took up yoga. 239 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: I'm fifty two now. I took up yoga when I 240 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: was forty, and I was my stressedest. Even if that's 241 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: not a word, that's what I was. I was my stressedest, 242 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: and I was probably the most unfit, and I was 243 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: probably very stagnant. I spent so many times sitting in 244 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: a chair because I was just doing so much work 245 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that my body had probably seized up. So for me, 246 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: though I've always been quite sporty, I've always played netball, 247 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: and so for me, I'm pretty good at sport. Bring 248 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: it on, and I found the yoga was incredibly difficult. 249 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: And what I also found was because Oshtanger is a 250 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: repetitive practice, like you do the same practice at the 251 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: same practice every time, is that you could find first 252 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: and foremost you know the practicing and get into the 253 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: mediative state. But the other thing is that your body 254 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: you could start to actually you can see it decalcifying. 255 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: And so I went from pretty much stressed and out 256 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: of my head to finding a tool that worked for me. 257 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: Might not work for everyone, but tool work for me. 258 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: So any advice I would give to people is and 259 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people have tried it, dabbled and gone 260 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: not for me, and mainly because I haven't found the 261 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: right teacher. And to be honest, in my experience over 262 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: the last decade or so, there's only a handful of 263 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: really ordinary teachers, and so try and find them and 264 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: follow them. 265 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: How do you know a good teacher? Like, what does 266 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: that look like? 267 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: A good teacher is how it makes you feel, not 268 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: what they do. So it's so for example, the teacher 269 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I had, she had very strong, very strict discipline. She 270 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: was very scary and she and I felt when I 271 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: walked off of that amazing. So that was what a 272 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: good teacher. Her tone a voice is a good teacher. 273 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: Her energy is a good teacher. Her knowledge makes a 274 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: good teacher, and also their experience if they're If you 275 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: were being taught by a yoga teacher who doesn't practice yoga, 276 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: find another teacher because you want someone who truly does 277 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: understand the practice. Because in actual fact, if you do 278 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: go down at the path, you will find a great 279 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: tool for life. 280 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 2: Mm. Okay, that's probably quite inspiring and helpful for people 281 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: that are trying to create a yoga have it. Yeah, 282 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: I know that you've recently started a podcast, and I'm curious, like, 283 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: maybe if you can tell people I guess a bit 284 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: about what the podcast is about. For those that haven't 285 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 2: heard it, but I'm curious, how do you prepare for 286 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: an episode of your podcast? 287 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: Look Look First, and foremost, it came from the fact 288 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: that a lot of it, I'm really humbled by some 289 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: of the feedback I get from, whether it's from Shark 290 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: Tank or other people. And it's always starts with You've 291 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: been very inspiring, and thank you for giving the knowledge, 292 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: and you're amazing. And what I always find not uncomfortable, 293 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: but it feels like a bit of a fraud, is 294 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: you're going, oh mate, I'm so not amazing. You know, 295 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: you should see all the things I get wrong, because 296 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: it's every day. 297 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: Right. 298 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: I am the mother that always takes a child to 299 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: school in the wrong uniform. Right, I am the mother 300 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: that mothers hang out with to feel good about their parenting. Right, 301 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: that's me, right. And so what I realized was that 302 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: it's actually good planning, good luck, and bloody hard work 303 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: that gets here. So we did myself and a business 304 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: coach called Margie Hartley did a podcast called Superwoman We 305 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: Ain't and the theory being was you know what we're 306 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: we You know it's Einstein says, I'm not smarter than 307 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: anyone else. I just work at things longer, and I 308 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: think that that's pretty much the theory for a lot 309 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: of women and men in business. It's the people who 310 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: actually stick it longer. And through that podcast, we just 311 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: sort of talk about stories. And so how I prepared 312 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: was I always it was, I was. I started with 313 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: how many episodes I wanted, and I didn't worry about 314 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: that too much. I just went with, all, right, what 315 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: subject matter is this podcast about? And it could be 316 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: adapt or die, Right, Okay, so what I'm going to 317 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: talk about in this one is all my theories about 318 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: how you need to change in this environment or you'd 319 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: be left behind. And then the next so it really 320 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: starts with the headline and then really there's a couple 321 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: of dot points, a couple of stories, and after that 322 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: it's just a chat. 323 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: And do you find it sort of like quite a 324 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: creative exercise thinking about the stories? 325 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yeah, no it was. And you know, I 326 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: find it's sometimes quite cathartic too, because you go, oh, yeah, 327 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: stuff that one up and that was actually not so good. 328 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: But I think what it does do at the end 329 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: of a podcast or a book or anything you do 330 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: like that is you sat down, You sit down, and 331 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: you go. Even though there was times when it was scary, 332 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: times when I wasn't having fun, times when I thought 333 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: I was going to fail, times when all of these 334 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: mixed emotions happened in the journey. Even though you had that, 335 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: you wouldn't change one thing about it because you actually 336 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: need to get it wrong to know what right is. 337 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: You need to make mistakes to find the fortitude to 338 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: continue going. Like all the things that go wrong actually 339 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: makes you not only the person you are, but the 340 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: business that you have. And so that's what I've discovered, 341 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: and that's what I've discovered, and that's what you get 342 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: from when you do your podcast and your books. You go, oh, 343 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: that's right, all these things went wrong. But hey, look 344 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: where I am today. And I quite like where I 345 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: am today. 346 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice. I like that. 347 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: And I guess like on the topic of the creative 348 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: work that you do, you do a lot of writing. Obviously, 349 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: you've got a blog, you've written a book. Where do 350 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: you find your best ideas come to you? 351 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: They just come When I did a book and they 352 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: said you're an author, and they laughed, right, because you know, 353 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: I can't spell to save myself and God knows where 354 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: common goes, but you So for me, it was sort 355 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: of more like I can actually sit in front of 356 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the computer and if it flows, it just seems to 357 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: flow through your fingers, right, and you just basically you 358 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: can do it in minutes and it's done. Then other 359 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: times it's a clunky process where you just seem to 360 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: can't get it out. So what I've learned to do 361 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: is I brain dump on computter because one thing I 362 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: can do is I can type pretty quick, right, So 363 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: I brain dump on my computer and I sleep on it. 364 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: I wake up the next morning, I reread it, and 365 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: then I rewrite it, and then I might do it again. 366 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: So that's how that's how I write. 367 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: M okay, And well, like, what are the settings around you? 368 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: Do you need like certain physical settings that just help 369 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: you get into the zone, or music or anything like that. 370 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: No, no, music, I can't concentrate this music in the background. 371 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: You know, I love music. I always keep turning it 372 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: down because I can't concentrate. 373 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: No. 374 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't think it's the environment. 375 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: I think it's just you know, sometimes I'm lucky enough 376 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: to have a place on the coast, and I think 377 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: with the view, I just seem to go, oh, it's 378 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: such a bode. Yeah, I think you have to be 379 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: in work mode. So yeah, So I'm not sure. I 380 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's anywhere particular, because I do. Sometimes I'm 381 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: best writing on a plane. Sometimes it's in the office. 382 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's probably just when the idea comes. 383 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: M on the topic of planes. 384 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: Actually, so, I find that people who travel a lot 385 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: have certain routines and. 386 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: Approaches to how they will do travel. 387 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: And like, what do you do, like if you're on 388 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: a domestic flight, which I imagine sounds like you're on 389 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: a lot. 390 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 3: Yes, what is your approach to plane travel? 391 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: Well, my approach to plane travel is a great opportunity 392 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: to catch up on emails because you've got any meetings 393 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: when I'm on the plane, and even before I was 394 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: on the plane, when I'm at home, I used to 395 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm always on the laptop and because I need to 396 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: get through all of the volume of worker that I've got. 397 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: But for me to psychologically get through emails, and some 398 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: of them are just yes, no, so mindless stuff. I'd 399 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: always put a show or a TV show on beside 400 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: me so I could just then feel like I'm actually 401 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: not really working. I'm actually watching you know, Outlander with 402 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Jamie instead of actually working. So I feel like I'm justified. 403 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you give yourself these little tricks. I mean, 404 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: it's silly, it doesn't even work, but however, that's where 405 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: I work. So on the plane, go back to your question, 406 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: I'll open my laptop and open my iPad and I'll 407 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: have a Netflix show or something on there, and I'll 408 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: just clear my emails, watch the show, and then it's fine, 409 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: it's all done. I know it's a bit weird. So 410 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: people sid you go, how many screens do you want money? 411 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: That is so cool. I've never heard anyone do that before. 412 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 3: But that makes complete sense, doesn't it. Yeah? Yeah, And 413 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: what like what is your approach to email in general? 414 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 2: Like, let's just say you've got a week where you're 415 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: not traveling and you don't have the the Netflix sort 416 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: of whole set up on a plane where you're not 417 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: going to have meetings, Like, do you have like sort 418 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 2: of techniques for managing your in box? 419 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: Look, you know, people will tell you who report to 420 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: me or work with me, say they don't read the 421 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: email to the bottom right, because they'll go here, can 422 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: you answer these three questions, Jenny, I answer the top one. 423 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: That's it. I'm delete. So I'm very much action action 424 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: orientated in the sense of getting rid of it. So 425 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: they know that when they they'll give me three questions, 426 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: I go, sure, we're sure to the number one or 427 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: number three. So in some respects I need to slow 428 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: down and actually answer them properly. But sometimes when you've 429 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: got this sheer volume, you need to sort of go okay, 430 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: I need to keep these I keep the balls in 431 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: the air. I think also with email is and this 432 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: has happened many times for many people, is that the 433 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: language of email is often misunderstood. So instead of you 434 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: often I go, someone will ask me a question, I'll 435 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: answer them, and then I'll go, okay, hi, Susie, I hope 436 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: you're having good day, and then here is the answer. 437 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: Could because email can be so harsh, like if someone 438 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: just says sure or okay or can you get onto that? 439 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: Then people go, oh, is that you cross at me 440 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: for something? So I found that over time the language 441 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: of emails very hard, and so often I just pick 442 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: up the phone if I feel like I'm starting a 443 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you start to go hang on, I 444 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: onto my third email. Stop, pick up the phone, right, okay, 445 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: I believe we're going back and forward. Let's just talk 446 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: about it and then suddenly it's done. Dust enough you go. 447 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: These days, emails very much. It's used for tracking correspondence 448 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: and also verifying that what people said is true. So yeah, 449 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: and so email is a great written form, but it 450 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: has no emotion to it, so with all tone of voice, 451 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: so unfortunately it's a it can be a negative in 452 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: that form. 453 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: Hmmm, yeah, it absolutely can be. I like that picking 454 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: up the phone. I've heard you say that, like in 455 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: the last few years, your your time is sort of 456 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: like you felt like you've gone from crazily hectically busy 457 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: to things are a little bit more in control. 458 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: Is that sort of fair to say that? 459 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's it's sometimes in fairness, over the years, 460 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: sometimes out of control, and it's back into control. So 461 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: it's life's always a pendulum, right. In actual fact, as 462 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: soon as I feel like it's in control, I will 463 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: deliberately sabotage myself and make it out of control. So 464 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: I will go, oh, I've got a bit, not I've 465 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: got some time, Okay, I'll start saying yes to some 466 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: things and suddenly go, huh, I'm out of control. Okay, 467 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: better say some nosome things. And so sometimes people email 468 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: me and I might say yes to something because I'm 469 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: in a particular mood or frame of mind, and the 470 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: next day Ali, mum must say no. So it's so 471 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: it's I mean, you're human, right, You're a human. And 472 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: sometimes if you feel like you're out an ear I 473 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: like to be a little bit just not too much 474 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: out of control, but just on the edge. I don't 475 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: think if I'm not at a little bit out of 476 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: control or feel like I've got a little bit of anxiousness, 477 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: I feel like something's wrong. 478 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: It's interesting. 479 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: It's like that saying like if you want something done, 480 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: ask a busy person. 481 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it's like that for you and interesting. 482 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: I used to think that was a problem. Now I 483 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: just think it's me thanks to gootut. 484 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. 485 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: I like that and given like you know you kind 486 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: of it sounds like you thrive on what you do 487 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: when you get your drive from that, Like how does 488 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: that work at the end of the day, Like how 489 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: do you know that it is the end of the 490 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: work day. 491 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: It's time to close the laptop or shut down the phone. 492 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: Does that look like for you? 493 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: Look, I think we're we've got to understand that we're 494 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: the first generation of this techno technology age, and you know, 495 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: ten years ago we didn't have a problem of people 496 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: being obsessively compulsive on iPhones and smart smartphones. And the 497 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: reality is it's really interesting. There is new feeds, there 498 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: is funny videos, there's cats doing straight crazy stuff like 499 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: there is. Your iPhone is far more stimulating the person 500 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: in front of you, right. But what's happening is we've 501 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: got to we're in the era of actually now making 502 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: sure we manage that effectively because what we've done is 503 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: again that penduluance scenario is that it is out of control. 504 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: People are getting run over because they're on phones. You know, 505 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: I went for dinner last night and two boys first 506 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: thing they did was pick out the phones. It was like, 507 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: put them away, Like, seriously, are you kidding me? You're 508 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: on your phone, right, you're your grandmother in front of you. 509 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: Put them away. And so to even have those conversations 510 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: will be interesting because people's natural thing is that if 511 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: you've got if you're waiting for a coffee, phone comes up. 512 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: If you're waiting for anything, let me fill it. Let 513 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: me fill my space with something. So it's an interesting time. 514 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: So when I get home, you know, we do go 515 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: we're big card players, so you know, my mom and 516 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: dad will come over, my daughter and my sons. We'll 517 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: play cards, you know, if we I go to I 518 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: took my son. We're in Actually I didn't take my 519 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: son and I met him in India with his girlfriend 520 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: and we went to all these great restaurants in India 521 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: and the first thing we did was clear the table 522 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: and played five hundred, So which we find that that's 523 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: sort of the way of actually connecting and going okay, well, 524 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: because I think it's still doing something, but it's still 525 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: it's that. I think it's just you know, we're you know, 526 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: I love being on the soil. You know, I love 527 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: to horse ride or hang out with horses or you know, 528 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: play with my goats. I have two goats. It's just weird, 529 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: it's two. So I think that where I balance it 530 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: from is by having those elements of dirt and earth 531 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: and ocean to actually help me. 532 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: And so if you are like let's say, standing in 533 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: line for a coffee or a reduce, or something like that. 534 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: Do you pull out your phone or do you deliberately 535 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: resist that temptation? 536 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: Oh mate, I pull it out. No, And I'm but 537 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: I And the reason being is I'm such an internal time. 538 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: So for example, us into a taxi and go, how 539 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: long's trip? If he says twenty minutes, I'll get my 540 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: laptop out, get my hotspot, connect it and forward. So 541 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: for me, it's a way of getting back to people, 542 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: getting things moving, keeping things going. So very rarely people 543 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: will wait for me for anything, I respond very very quickly, 544 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: and so yeah, so for me, I go, it's it is. 545 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: If I'm going to stand here, I don't really want 546 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: to talk twenty one so I'm want me on the phone. 547 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: But when you get home, though, that's a different scenario. 548 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: And I think that even if my husband picks up 549 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: his phone when I'm at home, I feel like it's 550 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: like nails on a chalk walk. For me, now, it's like, 551 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: come on, you know, we've had all day. Really is 552 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: so interesting that you have to be there because one 553 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: actual fact, they then people sit around and go, okay, 554 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: what are we going to talk about? Well, funnily enough, 555 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: conversations do start, you know, like I'll take my son 556 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: to the movies. And the rule is if you're in 557 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: the car with me, get off your phone. I don't 558 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: even think about it. Or I'm here to have a 559 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: chat with you. Sometimes what he tells me, I go 560 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: get on your phone, stop talking to me. 561 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: That's great. I love that you've got those phone rules. 562 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: And like last thing at night, do you resist checking 563 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 3: your phone? Do you check it before bed? What's the 564 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 3: kind of habit there? 565 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: Do you know what my habit is? It's really bizarre. 566 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: I do word with friends. I do okay, just before 567 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: I go to bed, I'll go, I'll sort of do 568 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: a couple of things. And I think I do it 569 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: as my habit. And everyone has their thing. But I 570 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: think it's because if I'm doing that, I'm switching my 571 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: mind off from other stuff. Because what we tend to 572 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: do is if we are or I will do something 573 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: that is nothing not work related. That's an example. But 574 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: I'll do something work not relate work related. And that's 575 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: because often we will do work and then we'll have 576 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: something probably quite no manuta, quite small, and all go around, 577 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: no head, and it won't stop. It's like this mouse 578 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: on a wheel that won't stop and even though your 579 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: rational brain goes, you can sort it in the morning. 580 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. I'll be fine. You will work 581 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: yourself up into an absolute tears. And so I try 582 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: and do something completely non work related. Just befo, I 583 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: got a bed. 584 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: Hmmm. 585 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 3: I like that. That's a nice way of switching off. 586 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: Oh awesome. 587 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: I want to before we get into sort of some 588 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 2: some final rapid fire questions. I'm also curious, like with 589 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: Shark Tank obviously being a significant part of your life. 590 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 3: Now, like, what does preparation look like for you before 591 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 3: an episode? 592 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: Look? Really, because we don't know what's coming on the map, 593 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: there's really little preparation you can do, you know, So 594 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: really it's just leveraging your experience and your knowledge and 595 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: things have gone right and wrong in your life to 596 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: then dictate what they what they say coming in and 597 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: having an answer to what they say. 598 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: Hmm okay, that's that's interesting. 599 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: And like as your life changed a lot, like since 600 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: doing Shark Tank for the last three years, has it. 601 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Been Yeah, it's four years actually four years wow on 602 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: my day to day life, not really, you know, three 603 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: weeks of my life. Yes, I'm in Sydney, and you 604 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: know it's good fun, right. But other than those three weeks, no, 605 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: life's pretty much the same as it always has been. 606 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it's busier because you've obviously 607 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of work to be done after the show. 608 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the three weeks is actually the easy part. 609 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: It's the after the show that actually is not difficult, 610 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: but it's very time consuming because it's going through DD's 611 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: and looking at businesses, and so that's where the time 612 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: consuming side comes. 613 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: What does that look like like? You know that after 614 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 3: the show. 615 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: It looks like anyone else that wants to buy a business. 616 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: You know, you get a questionnaire where you need to 617 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: fill this questionnaire in and then we then verify that 618 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: what you say is true, and that's when we understart 619 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: to understand the business. You know, they give us the financials, 620 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: we have a look at those, what do we want 621 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: to do? And then for me, though, the process of 622 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: due diligence is much about of how they respond and 623 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: how quickly they respond, how effectively they respond, than actually 624 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: what they respond. So for example, if I say, can 625 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: you please fill this form in? And they said it's done, 626 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: but yet it's half filled in, I think, well, when 627 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: I actually am an investor, if we want reports will 628 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: be half report of it. So those things are really 629 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: important to me. 630 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting all the kind of signals. 631 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're in honeymoon period. So if it's whatever's 632 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 1: going wrong in the honeymoon period, it's going to be 633 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: ten times worse when you're out of honeymoon period. 634 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: I want to finish with some sort of rapid fire 635 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: questions to know, like what are the things that you're 636 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: consuming right nowt I think it can be so hard 637 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: for the average person to know what should I read? 638 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 2: What should I listen to becauist so much out there. 639 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 2: So to start with books. You're a big reader. 640 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: I'm actually a big audiobook Ah, excellent. I tend to 641 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: we tend to do a lot of driving, so I 642 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: tend to listen to some audiobooks. 643 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 3: Hmm, what's like one or two good audiobooks that you've 644 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: listened to this year that stand out? 645 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: Okay, Actually, well, because I've spent most of my time 646 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: in contracts, I like to actually switch off with an audiobook. 647 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: So the one that I absolutely thought was a ripper 648 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: was The Nightingale. It was it was set in France, 649 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: in the Second World War. And I can't remember the 650 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: author's name at the moment, but it was a great tale. 651 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: She tells a lovely story, a really good story. And 652 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: I've recommended to a few people and people have ranged 653 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: me and just getting oh my god, that's the best 654 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: book like ever. So it's a nightingale. It was a 655 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: great book, that book. 656 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: You know. 657 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes I like sort of a bit of sci fi. 658 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes I like, you know, apocalyptic vampire movie if voo's 659 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: and books, you know. Sometimes just I like all sorts 660 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: of different genre. I love the Outlander series. I thought 661 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: that was a great series. I think I like anyone 662 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: who can tell a great story. So in some respects, 663 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: the subject matter is second to the storyteller because the 664 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: one you know, people you can read a book and 665 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: you feel like you're on the surface looking down, or 666 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: you can read a book and you feel like you 667 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: are that person. And I think it's a real skill 668 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: in that, which I unfortunately haven't got. But for a real, 669 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: real person, real author to tell that storytelling ability is 670 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: just gold. 671 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 672 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: Nice. 673 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: I'll link to those those suggestions in the show notes. 674 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: Have that podcast, Given that you're listening to lots of things, 675 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: do you have any kind of go to podcasts that 676 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: you're lacking at the moment? 677 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: Ah, yes, Look I listened to I can remember the 678 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: names of them. Look I suppose with my mind I 679 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: sort of go, okay, yep, consume that. Move on. I 680 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: listened to some recent cryptocurrency podcast because I wanted to 681 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: truly understand how they how cryptocurrency works. Right, So I'll 682 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: do I'll go into those I've sort of had my 683 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: I've taken my toe into ones like the ones like 684 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: the what was it called the Teacher's Pet? So I 685 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: like a podcast. I started listening to the podcast of 686 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: Teacher's Pet. And look, it's interesting, you know, and that's 687 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: obviously who the millions and millions of meetings of people 688 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: have heard it because the number one top podcast. You know, 689 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: it's a story about the eighties, so it really related 690 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: to me. But what I found was that in my 691 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: podcasts are so they so get into your head because 692 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: it's someone basically telling your story. And sometimes what I'm 693 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: finding in life is do I want that in my head? 694 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: So what I'm. 695 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: Finding is anything that is as a story about your 696 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: abuse of children or anything like that, I tend to 697 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: just avoid because I don't need it in my psyche, 698 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: so so I probably leaned towards, you know, probably more 699 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: audio books than podcasts. Christina from kicki K has got 700 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: a podcast at the moment about dreaming. I think she's 701 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: doing an extraordinary job on really trying to have a 702 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: movement on people really fulfilling their dreams. So I think 703 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: that's definitely one someone should be listening to. I think 704 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: that she's very clever. 705 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 3: Oh cool, fantastic, good recommendation. Also, well, I think we 706 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: are pretty much out of time. So Janine, thank you 707 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: so much for being on the show. My pleasure. 708 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: That's it for today's episode. 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