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Speaker 1: Job mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: It's an absolute privilege to talk to our next guest.

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Speaker 2: My teenage diary is filled with stories about her and

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Speaker 2: her incredible adventures. She's the celebrated conservationist whose groundbreaking research

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Speaker 2: of chimpanzees over sixty years ago changed the course of science.

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Speaker 2: In her latest project, The Book of Hope, she has

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Speaker 2: a call to action for us all to quote, use

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Speaker 2: the gift of our lives to make this a better world.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jane Goodall, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Well, hello there, and I hope you're feeling really good.

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Speaker 2: Well, looking at you and talking to you absolutely. Your

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Speaker 2: story just inspired me when I was a younger woman.

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Speaker 2: You were such a young woman when you headed off

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Speaker 2: to Tanzania to study the chimpanzees, that you had such

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Speaker 2: crude living arrangements. Was it bravery or naivete? What was

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Speaker 2: it that propelled you to take that journey?

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Speaker 3: Well, what compelled me was that when I was ten

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Speaker 3: years old living, I'm speaking to you from the house

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Speaker 3: where I grew up, where I have been since cod

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Speaker 3: COVID prevented me from traveling, and I was here and

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Speaker 3: I read the book about Tarzan doctor Doolittle, and I

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Speaker 3: decided I would grow up go to Africa, live with

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Speaker 3: wild animals and write books about them. There was no

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Speaker 3: idea of being a scientist. So anyway, eventually I got there.

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Speaker 3: I saved up money, met Louis Leaky, and amazingly he

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Speaker 3: gave me this opportunity to go and live with and

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Speaker 3: learn from not just any animal, but chimpanzees, our closest

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Speaker 3: living relatives. What an amazing journey that was.

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Speaker 1: And you've known chimpanzees for a long time in your life,

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Speaker 1: and how much do they differ from us?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you look at their DNA, they differ only

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Speaker 3: by just over one percent. There are closest living relatives

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Speaker 3: and their nonverbal communication, kissing, embracing, holding hands, patting one another,

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Speaker 3: swaggering and shaking the fist, using tools, using rocks as weapons,

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Speaker 3: waging a kind of primitive war between neighboring communities, but

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Speaker 3: also showing love, compassion, and altruism. That's how like us

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Speaker 3: they are. But what you learn from that is goodness.

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Speaker 3: But we're different. I mean, you know we're talking you

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Speaker 3: in Australia, I mean in the UK we're talking. That's

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Speaker 3: pretty amazing. If you were like me growing up before

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Speaker 3: any of this began, I didn't even have television, and

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Speaker 3: so you know, what I've learned from all of this

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Speaker 3: is that we're a pretty amazing species and it's pretty

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Speaker 3: sad that we're destroying our planet, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Your book is all about hope, and I know at

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Speaker 2: the moment it feels for many of us slightly hopeless.

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Speaker 2: How do we how do we turn that around?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, so many people are hopeless. This is

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Speaker 3: why I began our youth program back in nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 3: because so many young people high school, university had lost hope.

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Speaker 3: And when I talked to them, they were apathetic, didn't

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Speaker 3: seem to care, or they were angry, or they were depressed.

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Speaker 3: And they said to me basically the same thing in

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Speaker 3: different continents. We feel like this because you've compromised our future,

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Speaker 3: which we have right But they said, there's nothing we

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Speaker 3: can do about it. And that's where I said, you're wrong.

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Speaker 3: There is something. We still have a window of time.

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Speaker 3: If we get together, if we take action, each one

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Speaker 3: of us, then we can make a difference. And so

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Speaker 3: that's when our Roots in Shoots program began. That's when

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Speaker 3: I know everything that I believe in was caused by

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Speaker 3: this moment of is it too late? No, it's not,

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Speaker 3: but we have to get together and take action enough.

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Speaker 1: Optimistically, are things getting better? Climate wise?

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Speaker 3: Awareness is getting better, much much better. People are much

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Speaker 3: more aware, More people are prepared to fight for the future,

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Speaker 3: fight for the environment. And I think perhaps the most

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Speaker 3: important thing is that young people all around the world

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Speaker 3: We are going to demand change from governments, from big business.

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Speaker 3: That's what I see as one of my reasons for hope,

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Speaker 3: the young people who are so dedicated, passionate and determined

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Speaker 3: to make a difference.

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Speaker 2: Do you still have an opportunity to interact with chimpanzees?

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Speaker 2: I know their different personalities, spoke to you through all

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Speaker 2: those years, and you made French with them. Are you

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Speaker 2: still in contact with a colony of chimps?

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Speaker 3: Well, we still the Jinglele Institute still works with the

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Speaker 3: same community. The original ones that I knew so well

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Speaker 3: are all gone except one gremlin, who's now the dominant

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Speaker 3: female of the entire community. But all the others that

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Speaker 3: do live sixty years and they teach us so much

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Speaker 3: about what it is that we share, but ways in

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Speaker 3: which we're different. Before the before the pandemic, when I

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Speaker 3: was confined to where you see me now, up in

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Speaker 3: before that, I was traveling three hundred days a year

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Speaker 3: around the world, but that included two visits to Gombe

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Speaker 3: to visit. Usually didn't actually see the chimps. Sometimes I did,

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Speaker 3: but at least to you know, inspire the people, the scientists,

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Speaker 3: the students, field staff working there, and the same did.

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Speaker 4: You get to catch up with the chimps on a

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Speaker 4: zoom catch up like we're doing now? Did someone set

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Speaker 4: that up for you?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: Can you can that happen? Is that technology? And second

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Speaker 4: part to this question, if that happened, would they recognize you?

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Speaker 3: Well? As I say, there's only one left who would

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Speaker 3: recognize me, because when I left Gombia in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: around the planet, all the you know today, all the

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Speaker 3: old individuals who I knew so well, like members of

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Speaker 3: my family, they're no longer with us. The one chimpanzee, Grumlin,

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Speaker 3: who I remember so well, she recognizes me when I

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Speaker 3: go back, absolutely, But the others I no longer have

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Speaker 3: any contact with them, but just go.

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Speaker 1: And you don't get on with her though, that chimp?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Well, every time I go and actually see her, she

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Speaker 3: comes quite close, sets looks into my eyes, and moves away.

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Speaker 3: She knows who I am.

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Speaker 2: Would she recognize you on a zoom? Do they have

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Speaker 2: that ability?

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Speaker 3: They actually do, but we've never tried to do anything

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Speaker 3: like that. You know, these tips are wild and free

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Speaker 3: and we don't experiment with them. But yes, chimpanzees can

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Speaker 3: recognize people and individual chimps on a zoom.

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Speaker 1: That's good. And they can't throw the feces at you either,

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: The book is called The Book of Hope, a Survival

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Speaker 2: Guide for Trying Times. It's available now. What an honor

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Speaker 2: to speak to you, Jane. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time time.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. And you know we do need hope,

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Speaker 3: don't we, Because if we don't have hope, we we

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Speaker 3: we sort of give up and do nothing and fall

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Speaker 3: into apathy. That's the end of our species. If we

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Speaker 3: do that, we must have hope to take action to

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Speaker 3: change the world before it's too late.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Bub doctor Jangodo, thank you for joy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much. Bye Bye. Jonesy and

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Speaker 3: Amanda's