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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast. It's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment and issues facing women.

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Speaker 2: That is so fatch. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Outspoken on today's show, where

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Speaker 1: joined by Mary from Bachelor and Paradise, who reveals how

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Speaker 1: she and Connor are going since the big move to Tasmania.

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Speaker 1: Mary also spills the tea on the much hyped Vagina

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Speaker 1: viewing party from that adnews series and gives her thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the latest batchy allegations about Bella and Lockie.

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Speaker 3: So let's get straight into the episode.

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Speaker 1: It's been seven months since you wrapped up filming, and

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Speaker 1: we're so happy to hear that you and Connors do

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Speaker 3: And I hear you've made the move to Tasmania.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so actually I think it's pretty much nice nine

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Speaker 2: months now that we've been together, because we wrapped a

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Speaker 2: film on the thirtieth of November last year, so I

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Speaker 2: made a move to Tasmania. So me and Connor we

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Speaker 2: just moved into a bigger place, which is great because

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Speaker 2: we're living in his bachelor pad you know, was like

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Speaker 2: bigger place now when we're just getting things together and

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Speaker 2: you know, my daughter has her own room and her

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Speaker 1: I've seen some really cute photos of Connor playing barbies

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Speaker 3: How did that first introduction go with them?

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Speaker 2: That was that was quite easy because Connor is very like,

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Speaker 2: he's very good with kids. So you know, first meeting,

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so cute.

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Speaker 1: What a clever idea because every girl loves Bobby, so

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Speaker 1: that's right exactly. Now, we recently heard some allegations. I

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Speaker 1: read this article on the Daily Mail saying that you

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Speaker 1: only do paid interviews, and obviously we know that's not

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Speaker 3: Where did this all come from?

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Speaker 2: I think that came from another podcast because there was

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Speaker 2: got Okay, Mary, now just do a paid in purviance,

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Speaker 2: which is not through seven hundreds of podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah, because I mean that podcast, the so

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Speaker 2: Well, it was more you anger he was going to

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Speaker 1: On this same podcast, I had Nadine from Locke's series,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's great. Well, we're seeing we've seen.

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Speaker 1: The new series of The Bachelor with Locky Air this week.

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Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on him being cast as a Bachelor?

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Speaker 2: Wow? I was like, Lucky, Lucky, he's the new Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: I'm not fair that he wants something and honor like

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Speaker 1: So well, there's been a lot of talk that producers

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Speaker 2: So explain to me Bella and Locky.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like I don't know. I know that

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Speaker 2: Bella is very well connected. I don't know her personally,

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Speaker 1: We're just going back to your series of The Bachelor

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Speaker 1: because we had Aby Chatfield on the show ages ago

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Speaker 1: and she mentioned that you guys all have this sort

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Speaker 3: Just sounded so not you. Okay, time, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not a chance. You know what happened. There was a day.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm pretty much senior citizen. I was thirty three.

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Speaker 2: We're all twenty year old, you know, drinking on a

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Speaker 2: Saturday night doing crazy stuff. I'm like, not a chance,

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Speaker 2: you know, mom showing my vagina? Not chance.

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Speaker 1: I have to love that because I thought what goes on?

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Speaker 1: Because when I heard this story, I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it must just turn into sort of a

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Speaker 2: Oh what's that? How is going on? I heard that

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Speaker 2: Like I was like seconally me because I haven't been

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Speaker 2: not a chance. But the girls had a bit of whine,

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Speaker 2: and you know, at a Saturday night, they were outside

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Speaker 2: got it. They got it on. They were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: let me see what do ears look like? What mine

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Speaker 2: looks like? And then they started coll caring pretty much well.

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Speaker 1: Because can you can you imagine Matt Agnew hearing about this,

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Speaker 1: because it sounds like some kind of man's fantasy. These

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Speaker 2: That is a lot our hours. I was like, I

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm such a school I'm like, wow, I've

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Speaker 2: never First of all, I've never been in a camp.

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Speaker 2: Second of all, in a camp show. Each time of vagiinas,

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Speaker 2: that would never happen in my lifetime.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I would have been on your on

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's just far, but you know, good

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Speaker 2: I was watching my movie after my movie finished. I

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Speaker 3: So is this in the first week.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it wasn't in the first probably first

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Speaker 2: that's got in.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, No, is there anything else crazy that happened

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Speaker 2: I think that was the crazy. I never thought that

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Speaker 2: I would like. I was like, my gosh, I was

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Speaker 2: waiting so much on my publicity time that time. I

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Speaker 1: We're glad we gave you the opportunity there. Just going

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Speaker 1: back to The Bachelor, the ratings seem to be substantially

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Speaker 2: Look in my season of The Bachelor, I felt like

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Speaker 2: it was the first one where we had, you know,

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Speaker 2: the girls, like was me, it was Michael, was Renee.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, yay, that's great. I'm happy to

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Speaker 2: must say that in my when I did my audition,

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Speaker 2: where are the girls? Why aren't they coming as well?

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they applying? Because you know, it might be

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Speaker 2: all this like in the previous seasons, lots of life

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't care. I have a good personality.

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Speaker 2: I back me up. I'm one hundred persons gonna be

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Speaker 2: in it, you know what I'm saying. So I feel

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Speaker 2: like I want more people to know that they should apply.

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Speaker 2: They have to try. And even though you'll see lots

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Speaker 2: you know, goddess and models, we are beautiful color out there.

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Speaker 2: We are gorgeous. We have beautiful teen beautiful different hair

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Speaker 2: good about as Sea. So I think my my peach

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Speaker 2: today is for people to don't be afraid apply because

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Speaker 2: we need to see more people there that are gonna

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're really pushing and hoping that renew will be

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Speaker 1: the next bachelorette. Would you like to see her? You would?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Mean that's my main thing, because.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Ellie's come out as a new bachelorette with

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Speaker 2: I was disappointed. I was disappointed, Like Ellie is a

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Speaker 2: there's so many people it doesn't even need to be

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Speaker 2: so nice to have our first bachelorette personal color, with

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Speaker 1: After after the terrible time she had with Kieren, you think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, because we saw Allie Otagen, she was on

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Speaker 1: it shocks me that producers didn't make Renee the bachelorette

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Speaker 2: Year, well it didn't. Well I wasn't like a shock

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Speaker 2: because we never know who they are gonna pick, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's always as I don't know until I thought that's what.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what is this? What are these two

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Speaker 2: that's a hat So it's always a surprise. I thought

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Speaker 2: so I was like, oh, yeah, definitely gonna be her.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's first stars has red hair, something different.

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Speaker 2: But I was like, you know, I wish someone like

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Speaker 2: even as like an African lady as well, something like that,

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Speaker 2: the usual blonde. Yes, we lost girls, nothing against people

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Speaker 2: that are blocked, but you know, it's just something different

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Speaker 2: and be like, wow, this is the first time ever

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Speaker 2: they've been doing this. So yeah, that's that's the dream.

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Speaker 2: That's a dream.

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Speaker 1: Now on a completely different topic, now, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've seen but Kieren announced on his Instagram yesterday

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Speaker 3: Now have you have you seen this? And what do

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Speaker 2: I've seen this yesterday. I was like, holy crap, me,

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Speaker 2: I'm wanta fin. I think I'm gonna put my money on.

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Speaker 2: He has that street vibe, you know. I think like

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Speaker 2: Matt is a personal trainer, obviously very strong views and whatever,

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Speaker 2: but it needs to be a streets to fight like that.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like Kieren gives me that. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: from the streets live, I know how to do this.

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Speaker 3: Love it well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That's a the questions we had.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, you had a wonderful time.

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Speaker 1: You're in.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you so much. It was so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Bye,