1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Abby Chatfield accuses Britt Hockley 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: and Kyle Sandlands of slut shaming her, Sarah's Day's controversial 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Christmas PJS sellout, and Chloe Zepp's surprising shopping list. Hello 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: and I want to thank everyone who has completed our 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: listener survey. We were overwhelmed with the responses. If you 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: haven't filled it out, though it is in the show notes, 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed reading some of the responses. There 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: were a few that caught my eye that I wanted 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: to share with you guys. So there was a question 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: around how we can improve as a podcast, and I 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: do really appreciate everyone letting us know because there was 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: some amazing advice. But this one comment really cracked me up. 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: Someone wrote, occasionally petty and under researched and Amy you 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: suggested that we use that as an advertising book. I 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: think the phrase occasionally petty really summed us up. I 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: think that that's a great way to describe it, particularly 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: in the early days where I thought our pettiness was 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: a bit. 21 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: More on point. 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: I also thought it was funny. Someone wrote, I love 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: you guys, but I can't stand how you pronounced McDonald's. 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: It's McDonald's not MacDonald's. 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: I feel like this is an argument that we've been 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: having for years because we all used to say MacDonald's, 28 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: and then I was told it was McDonald's. So I 29 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: say McDonald's, and you guys pay the shit out of me. 30 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: Why I feel like it's a South Australian thing to 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: say McDonald's. I think it's very English to say MacDonald 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I still stand by the fact that we 33 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: say macs. Yeah, and Amy, I think this one was 34 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: leveled at you. Someone said, please stop saying just playing 35 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Devil's advocate. Now we do often when we're recording, stop 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Amy from saying certain phrases all the time. There was 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: someone who was a big fan of Amy though in 38 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: our reviews. Now this person I won't read out their 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: name age, No, this person. They continuously write mean reviews 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: but then change them to something new every week, like 41 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: every week we've done something new to piss them off. 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: So they wrote, if Amy ran this podcast by herself, 43 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: it'd be fine. Sophie and Kate us arch in capital 44 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: letters are punish to listen to Amy. Every episode has 45 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: in touch views about things, and Kate and Sophie constantly 46 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: are just on their high horses. 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: So frustrating. 48 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: What do we mean saying mein comments? I think she's 49 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: got down pat like I think she's she's on the ball. 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: This week it was at Dale spare Way. Humphreys wrote, no, 51 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: so be sentient to me, and I said that literally 52 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: looks like I have sent that in about myself. If 53 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: I hadn't noticed this girl continually slagging us off for 54 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: months now, I would have thought it was you. The 55 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: funniest thing is that a lot of people that have 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: been listening since start still can't tell our voices apart. 57 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: But this person appears to be a true fan of 58 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the show because she can take your voice apart. 59 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: Super fan. Yeah, I love her. 60 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: Every week she's like, I can't stand this show, and 61 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: she continues to listen. Now, some other feedback that we 62 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: are taking on board is that we need to stop 63 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: yelling over each other and interrupting each other. And I 64 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: think that when we do that, you can tell that 65 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: an episode is very heated, particularly last week because I 66 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: was getting irritated by it, so I am sorry. Now 67 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: on the top of arguing, someone did ask for a 68 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: mash up of all the behind the scenes fights we 69 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: never get to hear. I wonder if we should do 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: something for Christmas. Amy, you were putting together some of 71 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: the fights in a folder. It hasn't happened for a while. 72 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: We've been a bit slack with that. I think those 73 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: were fights though that couldn't see the light of day 74 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: because we were that horrendously mean to each other. You know, 75 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: what would be cool is having a remix of some 76 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: of the fights, or maybe some of the overused terms 77 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast. It was like plain Devil's Advocate, advocate 78 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: avoct Yours is to be honest, and what else do 79 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: you say? 80 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: I feel? 81 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: I feel. I got so annoyed. 82 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I tried to cut out all your I feels and 83 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: then I noticed myself saying it as well. Could the 84 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: girl who was leaving those reviews come to my defense? 85 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: I feel very under attack right now, Kate, and I 86 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: hear in our high horses looking down at you, peasant. 87 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: Can someone in the reviews right that they prefer sopen 88 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: on maybe We're gonna have a spinoff podcast, Kate. I 89 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: have quite enjoyed our episodes together. Shots Fired. 90 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: If I see one. 91 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: More drama, see pop up on my feet, I'm going 92 00:03:59,200 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: to just block. 93 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to see it. 94 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: I want to see cleanning. I want to see organization. 95 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: I want to see manifestation. 96 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: I want to see a whole lot of good people 97 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: talking about good shit. 98 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Two of the biggest names in the Australian media landscape 99 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: are currently at war. It comes after Abby Chatfield called 100 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: out podcaster Brittany Hockley and shock jock Kyle Sandalans for 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: slut shaming her on air. Women are being asked to 102 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: pick a side. Are they Team Abby or team britt 103 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: Now Sophy before we jump into it, what has gone down? 104 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: Well, this all. 105 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Started when an American rapper by the name of Young 106 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: Gravy was interviewed on the Carl and Jackie Oh Show. 107 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: So for those like me who hadn't heard of him before, 108 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: Young Gravy's music blew up on TikTok, where he now 109 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: has seven million followers and he's also touring the world 110 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: with his music. He has a history of dating older women, 111 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: specifically mum so in August of this year, rumors started 112 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: swirling when he shared a kiss with Addison Ray's mum 113 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: on the red carpet of the MTV Music Awards. Now, 114 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: for those who don't know, Jackie O's has been on 115 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: sickly for the past few weeks, so Brittany Hockley from 116 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Life on Cut has been filling in for her, and 117 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: Jackie OH must have been kicking herself because she is 118 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: a huge fan of Young Gravy. She joked that she 119 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: wants to date him because he is, as he said, 120 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: into older women. I didn't know that fact. Now, Brittany 121 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: was present during this interview, of course, with Young Gravy. 122 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: So during the interview, the rapper was asked about his 123 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: dating life and he said he was speaking with Abby 124 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Chatfield and they were planning a date in the new year. 125 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: This is where the conversation took a turn. Let's listen 126 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: to what was said. I have a bit of a 127 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: relationship beginning with Abby chatfielding. 128 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: Jesus do you and everyone else? 129 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: So let me say it's a little I think we 130 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: got a date planned because she. 131 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: No doubt. 132 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: Than Brittany. I think Brittany, you know Abby, Yeah. 133 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: I know Abby, I mean we we've cross paths multiple times. 134 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 4: What that mean is in bed with someone? 135 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: No? 136 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 4: No, what does she send you anes or anything like that, 137 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: or what have you seen of her? Yeah, you've been 138 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: knocked back again for every chat feeling. Who do you want? 139 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: You want? Or do you want? Abby? Who do you 140 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 4: want to choose? Now? 141 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 2: Look, we're very different, haven't I haven't spoken with Brittany 142 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: for very long. 143 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: I actually first heard this grab on Abby Chatfield's podcast, 144 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: and I really felt for her. My heart dropped because 145 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: I remember when we were discussed on The Kyle and 146 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Jackie Oh Show, and it's just really like this horrible 147 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: feeling in the pit of your stomach listening to what 148 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: these people are saying about you unfiltered, and when it 149 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: comes to the Kyle and Jackie O Show, it feels 150 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: like anything can be said and nothing is off limits. 151 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: I also feel like she was particularly vulnerable because there's 152 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: someone on air, Young Gravy, who she clearly likes, talking 153 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: about her, and you'd be like, oh my god, what 154 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: is going to be said? And it was just pointing 155 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: because the overall tone of the conversation was really gross 156 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: and very slut shaming, and it really played women off 157 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: against each other, and personally, I don't think this is 158 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: a conversation that I would expect to hear on a podcast, 159 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: let alone a large radio show in twenty twenty two. 160 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: I think it would have shocked a lot of young 161 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: women who actually don't listen to the Kyle and Jackie 162 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: Oh Show, especially because you don't hear this kind of conversation, 163 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: as you said, in podcasts, it is a very sort 164 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: of outdated conversation to be having. Definitely, and this conversation 165 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: did take place several weeks ago, but Abby wasn't aware 166 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: of it until her friend told her to tune in 167 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: and check out the episode. And Abby was taken back, 168 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: obviously by the conversation, and she did a whole podcast 169 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: segment on it where she called out the slut shaming. 170 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 171 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: The issue that I think people like Kyle and Brittany 172 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: have with me is that I'm able to speak about 173 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: sexuality in a way that isn't shameful, and they think 174 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: that that must equate to looking around every single day 175 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: and having sex every single day, when actually it's just 176 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: that I don't have this shame that they haven't. 177 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: Therefore, they're projecting it onto me. 178 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: Give me shit, but don't make it at the expense 179 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: of other people listening, and other women listening say you 180 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: what at me, but do not perpetuate such shaming bullshit 181 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: on the biggest radio show in the country. 182 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: So there was a mixed reception to Abby's podcast and posts. 183 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: There were really two camps when it came to it. 184 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: So those that wholeheartedly supported Abby and felt enraged by 185 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: BRIT's part in the conversation, and then there was the 186 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: other camp who questioned whether it was feminist of Abbey 187 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: to perceivably lay blame on the other woman. So, following 188 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: the backlash in Abby's comments, she posted a series of 189 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: stories hitting back at the criticism and calling Brit a 190 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: pick me girl. 191 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 192 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: That's why pickmeies are so disliked because they have betraying 193 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: their own gender. They are betraying the progression of their 194 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: own gender and of other minorities. Pick mees are only 195 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: focused on upholding patriarchal structures and laughing along with the boys, 196 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: or with those who love being part of the patriarchy, 197 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: who love the locker room talk, who think it's okay 198 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: to make such shaming jokes, make misogynistic jokes, you think 199 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: they aren't like other girls. Pick me and people who 200 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: say this shit are a huge part of the problem. 201 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: They give a pass misogynistic men to treat women the 202 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: way they do because they're the cool girl. They're the 203 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: cool girl. It doesn't matter, and yet she's such a slut. 204 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: That's what it picked me is. 205 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: So we have to call out anyone who's upholding patriarchal structures, 206 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: not just men, because the women who do it are 207 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: doing it from internalized misogyny. Absolutely, but they're doing it 208 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: particularly when they haven't platforms big as that. 209 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: Before we do get too much into opinion, I do 210 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: want to point out that it is a really hard 211 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: topic for us to navigate and talk about. We were 212 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: in two minds where they to cover this at all. 213 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: But I think it is important because it is one 214 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: of the biggest influencers stories I feel like almost of 215 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the year. And what I really don't like is the 216 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: Internet is demanding that women take sides. And I really 217 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: have great respect for both Britt and Abby, and I 218 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: think that they both offer such wonderful things to the industry, 219 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: and I think it's a really sad situation that we're 220 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: seeing them sort of battle it out online against one another, 221 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: and I do think it's a situation where you can 222 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: have mixed feelings and see some things you agree with 223 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: and some things you don't agree with. And in my opinion, 224 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: I did feel uncomfortable with Abby calling Britt a pick 225 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: me girl, because if we do listen to what Britt 226 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: actually said during the interview, she said no doubt in 227 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: response to Young Gravy saying he was going on a 228 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: day with Abby, and she did ask if there was 229 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: any sex thing that took place, but that was after 230 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: Young Gravy said Abby had sent him borderline nude photos. 231 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: And I just think it was really Kyle who was 232 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: driving the slutshaming conversation and the tone, and I think 233 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: that it was unfair to reduce his BRIT's character to 234 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: a few nervous words that she said during a live interview. Look, 235 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: I do understand what you're saying, and I am feeling 236 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: for Brit in terms of that she's getting piled on 237 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: at the moment, and I think it's really hard to 238 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: watch that happening. And I feel like a lot of 239 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: people are using this as an excuse use to have 240 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: a got Britt like these might be people that didn't 241 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: like her before. The thing is, I can see where 242 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: Abby was coming from in terms of it is really hard. Like, 243 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: as I said before, when we got called ugly on 244 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: the Kyle and Jackie Oh Show, I remember being really 245 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: enraged that Jackie didn't pull Kyle up on it and 246 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: she sort of sat there giggling. And I think that's 247 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: what Abby has a problem with because she felt like 248 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: Britt was just going along with it, sort of agreeing 249 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: with a few little comments. And I can see how 250 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: that would have been really upsetting because it's quite clear 251 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: that Britt and Abby know each other. They both are 252 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: in you know, they're both from The Bachelor, They've been 253 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: on Bachelor and Paradise together, they have massive podcasts, They're 254 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: very comparable in terms of their careers at the moment, 255 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: and I think that's why this situation is so horrible 256 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: to see play out, because these two women you would think. 257 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: Should be coming together. Yeah, exactly right. 258 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: Like that being said, though, okay, I completely agree as well. 259 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: You know that awful moment of being discussed on airon 260 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: in such a critical way. The thing is, I have 261 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: gone and listened to BRIT's appear yearance on the KRL 262 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and JACKIEO Show, and she stood up to Kyle a 263 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: number of times where it almost got exhausting because every 264 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: time she would say something, Kyle would say, basically, shut up, 265 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: and we have to talk about the disparity of power. 266 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: Kyle and Jackie O. They own the KRL and JACKIEO Show. 267 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: They own that, so he is literally her boss in 268 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: this instance. I'm pretty sure Britt highly regrets not stepping 269 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: in and saying something. But when you're pounded for every 270 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: comment you make on air, Yeah, but then why appear 271 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: on the show? Because I think that's what it has 272 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: confused a lot of people because it's a great career opportunity. 273 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: It is, But I feel like these days Britt has 274 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, they've had the Life on Cut podcast for 275 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: three years. She has established herself as this particular brand, 276 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: and that personal brand does not fit with the Carl 277 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: and Jackie OO Show. I agree, But a lot of 278 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: people have appeared on the KRL and JACKIEO Show who's 279 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: don't align. For instance, Abby Chatfield has appeared on the 280 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Carl and JACKIEO Show when she was promoting her vibrator 281 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: for Bush appearing on The Kryl and Jackie Oh Show 282 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: is very different though to co hosting it, because I 283 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: know Jackie O has copped a lot of criticism about 284 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: allowing Kyle to say things and I know that sound 285 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: silly because it's not her choice what he says, but 286 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: she doesn't hold him accountable, and as you said, it 287 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: seems like Britt has had a go at it, but 288 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: I just feel like this has been quite damaging for 289 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: her personal brand. The thing is, I think as women, 290 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: we've all been in a situation, whether it's at work 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: or in a social situation, where something has been said 292 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: by someone in a position of power and we felt 293 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and perhaps we didn't agree with what they said, 294 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: but we've frozen and either laughed it off or we've 295 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: simply not wanted to be confrontational about it. And I 296 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: think it's a hard thing because, as you said, Amy, 297 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: I did tune in a number of times to listen 298 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: to brit on Kyle and Jackie O, and she did 299 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: stand up to a lot of stuff, and I think 300 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: that was an episode where she burst into tears because 301 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: she had had that much flat from Kyle. And I 302 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: totally agree that you know who you surround yourself does 303 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: say a lot about you. But I don't think that 304 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: we should be saying that women can't take great opportunities 305 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: for their career. And I think obviously she's now doing 306 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: a summer show with arn maybe they were using it 307 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to get the listeners. 308 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: Used to her and to train her. 309 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: And I think it's sad though, because people have been 310 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: waiting I think for a gotcha moment. As soon as 311 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: I heard she was gonna be on their radio show, 312 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, she's gonna be cancelled over something. 313 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I've noticed a change in the way people 314 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: treat brit for a long time, but particularly after she 315 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: started dating Jordan Thompson, it was like everyone was suddenly 316 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: against her because I think they liked her being in 317 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: the position of an underdog, you know, unlucky in love. 318 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: People could relate to her. Then as soon as she 319 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: got a tennis player boyfriend and was living the high 320 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: life overseas, Everyone's like, oh, I don't like this. We 321 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: do need to remember that Kyle is clearly playing a 322 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: role on radio. 323 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: He's a shock jock. 324 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: The more he says comments like this, the more people 325 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: listen to it. But it's just interesting that nobody seems 326 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: that appalled by Kyle's comment. People are just used to 327 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: Kyle's comments. And I think it's important, you know, as 328 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: you said, everyone's playing a role here. It's Kyle's role 329 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: to shock people, it's Abby Chatfield's role to call people out, 330 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: because that's how she stays relevant. I mean, you can 331 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: only see how many sort of I don't want to 332 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: use the word feud, but how many confrontations that she 333 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: has had with other influences on really important topics. 334 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: And I think it's a really important thing that. 335 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: She does because she does make you think about situations 336 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: in a different like. I think the issue here is 337 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: that BRIT's probably confused about what role she can play 338 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: because she plays a very different role on Life on 339 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: Cut and podcasting is so different to the radio because 340 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: in podcasting, as we know, well, you can edit yourself out, 341 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: you can think about what you've said and change it. 342 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: But in this situation, she's going live on air and 343 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: she has to think on her face. Going back to 344 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the clip from the show, I was really surprised that 345 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: no one picked up in a sense that Britt was 346 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: sort of a victim amongst that as well, because Kyle 347 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: turned the conversation into a sexist contest where he offered 348 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: up Britt on a platter to Young Gravy and he 349 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: tried to force him to pick between Abby and Britt. 350 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: And in that situation, Britt would have felt so uncomfortable. 351 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: But I don't think that there's been much sympathy for 352 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: how she felt during it. Yeah, and as I said before, 353 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: Jackie O has gone on that she's got a bit 354 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: of a crush on Young Gravy. So I feel like 355 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: this interview was set up weeks ago, and the premise 356 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: of this interview would be, let's have a bit of 357 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: fun with Young Gravy, Let's have Jackie O on there, 358 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: let's see if he's going to date Jackie O. So 359 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: it literally turned into this segment where okay, well, Brit, 360 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: you're in, let's talk about you and Young Gravy. Now, 361 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: Britt did share an apology on Wednesday, and she said, 362 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: I want to apologize for the undercurrent misogynistic tones that 363 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: the interview had. 364 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: The nature of live. 365 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: Radio is unpredictable and often unplanned. Live on radio, I 366 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: found myself in a position where Abby and I were 367 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: pitted against each other. This was not planned, and this 368 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: was not something I felt comfortable with, and I thought 369 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: by saying as little as possible in the interview, it 370 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: would not add any fire to the situation. I see 371 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: with hindsight that this was naive and contradictory to what 372 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: I stand for. She continued, saying, I acknowledge that the 373 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: standard you walk by is the standard you accept. I 374 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: will learn from this and do better in the future. 375 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: I am sorry. I was really shocked that this apology 376 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: got backlash because to me, it ticked all the right boxes, 377 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: like that she posted it on her wall, so it's 378 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: not like it's going to disappear. A lot of influencers 379 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: post apologies on their stories that disappear in twenty four hours. 380 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: I also think it was great that she actually said 381 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think it was okay that she explained 382 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: herself and then she acknowledged that she needed to do 383 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: better and it wasn't right. I thought that this was 384 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,479 Speaker 1: a textbook pr response. She hit every note. But Aby 385 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: refused to accept the apology and said that she didn't 386 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: see it as an apology as there was no understanding 387 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: about what brit did wrong, and she said that all 388 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: she saw were excuses and also a character testimony. 389 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: I thought this last line was really interesting. 390 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: Abby said, this is also in my experience on Bachelor 391 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: in Paradise, repeated behavior. I won't say any more, but 392 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: this whole thing has been shocking to me. Now this 393 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: just points to the fact that there's been prior beef 394 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 1: between the two, which I think really adds an extra 395 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: element this whole art. Definitely, when I saw Abby's first 396 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: post about these comments, I initially thought, I wonder if 397 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: there's beef between the two of them, because it did 398 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: seem very personal, and I think the responses since have 399 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: been very personal. Yeah. Well, I noticed that Conrad had 400 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: liked Britt's apology. Now, Conrad is Abby's ex boyfriend, and 401 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: he also appeared alongside Britt on the challenge, So I 402 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: just love that little relationship, and they obviously go around 403 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: in the same circles and know a lot of the 404 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: same people. Well, there has been more fuel added to 405 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: the fire today because Laura Byrne, who is Brittany's co 406 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: host on Life Uncut, has spoken out. So for some context. 407 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: When Abby was calling out the Kyl and Jackie O show, 408 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: she included in her Instagram stories that she had a 409 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: big announcement coming on Thursday that her followers should look 410 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: out for, And it turns out that that announcement is 411 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: that she is hosting a new reality show called F 412 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Boy Ireland. So for people like. 413 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: Our mum who are listening, it might not be aware. 414 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: F boy or a fuck boy is a term for 415 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: a man that has had many sexual partners. So following 416 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: the announcement that Abby was going to be hosting this show, 417 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: Laura posted this on an Instagram story. She said, talks 418 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: about dismantling the patriarchy. Announces that they are hosting F 419 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: Boy Ireland, a show that encourages men to lie to 420 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: women and manipulate their emotions in order to win a 421 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: cash prize. That is enough Internet for me today. The 422 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: absolute hypocrisy. She then followed it up by posting a 423 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: screenshot of an article about the show, saying, for clarity, 424 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: F Boy Island is a series that already exists in 425 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: the US. The New Zealand franchise cast a man in 426 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: brackets because they didn't do background checks, who suffocated a 427 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: woman and lured her into his house to have sex 428 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: with her. It doesn't matter that this is the AAU version. 429 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: It is a franchise I would never associate myself with 430 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: as a feminist. 431 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: Now, Abby hit back. 432 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: At Laura's Insta stories with this, Also. 433 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: Laura, if you release just staunch feminists, so you're going 434 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 3: to dissect this show that you have not seen, that 435 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: hasn't been created yet in Australia, if you're going to 436 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 3: stand by this, and if you are reformed from back 437 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: when you shamed me online after the batchelot, I remember 438 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: that member when you did that that was really mean. 439 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: If you are reformed from that, then I would think 440 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: you would have DMed me when this whole thing broke 441 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: and you would have said, I'm so sorry. I don't 442 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 3: stand by what britt or Kyle did. It's inappropriate. You 443 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: know I've spoken to her or I'm really sorry or 444 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: that isn't what I believe, but you didn't. All you've 445 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: done is DM me and post stories about me about 446 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 3: something to try and catch me out, which you haven't 447 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 3: even caught me up because again you haven't seen the show. 448 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: The show isn't what you think it is, So yeah, 449 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: I would have expected something different if you actually. 450 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 4: Aligned with that. 451 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: If my co host to someone, if Rowan is something 452 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: I would dn them and say, hey, I've spoken to Rowan. 453 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: It's completely inappropriate. I'm so sorry, but you chosen the 454 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: other path. 455 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating that Abby again brought it 456 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: back to her experience on The Bachelor. So if you 457 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: cast your minds back to the series that she was on, 458 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: Laura and Matt, they appeared on the show as a 459 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: success story, and Laura and Matt weren't very big fans 460 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: of Abby. So I think that this is what she's 461 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: referring to here now. Just to note, we are recording 462 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: this on Thursday nights. I don't know what else is 463 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: going to go up tonight on social media, but I 464 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: need to say I was quite disappointed to see all 465 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 1: this back and forth going on on social media, and 466 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: not to blame either woman, but it's just a bit. 467 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: It's just gone downhill. 468 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: So quick, thine if someone just needs to pick up 469 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: the phone and have a conversation, because I feel like 470 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: all this dirty laundry is being aired online and it's 471 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: not helping anyone because it's just inciting more women to 472 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: get involved. And this at the moment is all I'm 473 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: talking about in my friendship groups. And I just think 474 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: that it's really sad because, as we said before, being 475 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: asked to choose with your team Abby or team Britt, 476 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: and if anything, that's the most unfeminist. 477 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 2: Conversation to have. 478 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Sophie, I don't think anybody's winning 479 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: as this continues on. I think it's becoming very tit 480 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: for tat and something that could have been solved. You know, 481 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: Abby put up this great post that opened people's minds 482 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: up to what actually sluch shaming is. It's now lost, 483 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: as you said, because Britt has apologized. I feel like 484 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: the apology should have been accepted and people should have 485 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: moved on. I also think think that the issue needed 486 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: to be played instead of the woman, and unfortunately I 487 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: think that that's what's happened. And I can't help but 488 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: feel people have been waiting to have a crack at 489 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: Brit about something. And I just really feel for her 490 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: because I think people talk a lot about mental health, 491 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: but they don't truly understand the detrimental effect that this 492 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: actually has on someone. And I feel for Abby too 493 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: because she's probably now getting trolled from a whole bunch 494 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: of people as well. And I just think that it 495 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: needs to stop. All the rebuttals need to stop. I 496 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: saw in our Facebook group as well that people were 497 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what side other people in the 498 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: media are. So mam and Mia did a really great 499 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: segment on this, and Shameless also touched on it, and 500 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, Shameless a team Abby and Mumma Mia 501 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: a team brit And it's like, I don't want anyone 502 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: to think that we're team anyone. I'd feel for both 503 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: people involved. 504 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: That's the thing. There's gray areas in all of this. 505 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia did do a really great segment as well 506 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: where they touched on the attention economy in twenty twenty 507 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: two and how the algorithm does reward this drama. And 508 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, being an 509 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: influencer or a social media commentator is all about ensuring 510 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: that you have this continual stream of engagement on your 511 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: page and also ensuring that you're in the mainstream media headlines. 512 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: And there's nothing that gets more attention than famous women 513 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: fighting with each other on the internet. I think moving forward, 514 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: people need to determine whether the punishment fits the crime, 515 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: because we are seeing a lot of pylon culture and 516 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: as you said Sophie. It does affect people's mental health, 517 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: and I have been concerned for both women's mental health. 518 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: It is a very stressful thing to have to go 519 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: through this online disagreement. I'm hoping that this week is 520 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: the last that we hear of it, and these wonderful 521 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: women can get on doing the amazing things that they've 522 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 1: been doing in the podcasting space. 523 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 3: And the comment of the night goes to the person 524 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: who messaged me and said you couldn't pull out of 525 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: a driveway. 526 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 4: Not wrong. 527 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: Mitchell All has sparked rumors that he and Chloe Zepp 528 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: may be expecting their third child Amy. What has ignited 529 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: these rumors, Well, Mitch shared a series of Instagram stories 530 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: last week which showed a screenshot of Chloe's online supermarket order. So, 531 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: amongst all the fresh fruit and popcorn, there was a 532 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: pregnancy test. 533 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: I love that fresh fruit. 534 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, it was literally oldest fruit. So 535 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: Mitch captained the post, I was hungry until the last course, 536 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: and he tagged Chloe. So a follower replied saying, please explain, 537 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: to which Mitch wrote, Artie was us trying once? Sonny 538 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: was the day after we agreed on waiting to have 539 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: more kids, and now I'm one out of one again. 540 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: I am the Kobe referring to Kobe Bryant of having kids. 541 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 1: I find this so bizarre that he has been so 542 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: private for almost a year, not wanting to share anything 543 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: about his life. Then he's literally creating pregnancy hype about 544 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: his wife. They don't even know if they're pregnant, and 545 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: I think that there'd be a lot of mums or 546 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: women wanting to get pregnant who were looking on at 547 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: this and feeling a bit upset. I mean, the way 548 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: that he's bragging on my one. For one, A lot 549 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: of men and women have issues with fertility, and I 550 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: just didn't think that this comment would go down well. Well, 551 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: this is really playing into the whole family channel that 552 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: I think that they do have planned because they get 553 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: the most attention when they're pregnant and they're having kids. 554 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: So it kind of makes a bit of sense to me. 555 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: I took it differently. I took it as much having 556 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: a little bit of fun. I didn't I don't know, 557 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: I didn't read into it too much. I kind of 558 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed that he was sort of creating a bit of 559 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: hypoon line. He's not the first influencer in the last 560 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks to share pregnancy tests, because Sophie Guidelin 561 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: shared a photo of a pregnancy test to her subscribers 562 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: on Instagram and asked what their opinion of the test was. 563 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: Did they think she was pregnant because she couldn't tell. 564 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: I just think that fertility and pregnancy are really sensitive 565 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: topics for a lot of people, and I think that 566 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: this would have brought up a lot of thoughts of people, 567 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just found it. 568 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: A lot of pregnancy. 569 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: But it's not a joke because but now everyone's going 570 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: to be, oh, are they pregnant? You're always told not 571 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: to speculate about women's pregnancy. We're being offered on a platter. 572 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: I understand when you're coming from in terms of it 573 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: can come a cross is a bit insensitive for people 574 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: that may be trying and not having success. But I 575 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: also see it as a way that it's not also 576 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: incredibly helpful for people not to talk about saying miscarriages 577 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: because a lot of people do wait for that twelve 578 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: week mark before they announce it, and in this instance, 579 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: they're talking about it from inception. 580 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: So I have mixed feelings about it. 581 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: I think it was just a bit of fun. 582 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's really a three sixty. 583 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: He said that he wants privacy, doesn't want people intruding 584 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: on his family life, and then he puts out this 585 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: sort of information so next year. 586 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: I love the feed I like the nice. 587 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: Feedback, but not the mean back back. 588 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 4: We can all about feedback in a nice way, you know. 589 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: But any Sarah's Days controversial Christmas pajamas have sold out. 590 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: Despite the pajamas only being available eleven days out from Christmas, 591 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: it didn't stop her fans from snapping them up. Were 592 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: you surprised that they sold out? Kay? Look, I wasn't 593 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: surprised that the pajama range sold out because a lot 594 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: of Sarah's Day's range do sell out. But I think 595 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: we need to take it with a grain of salt 596 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: when influencers do these launchers, because you never know how 597 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: much stock they actually have, and I think a lot 598 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: of them use this marketing message of maybe getting you know, 599 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: thirty pairs of large pajamas in stock and saying, oh, 600 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: they've all sold out, So it's very hard to tell 601 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: if there was actually a lot of stock involved in 602 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: this situation. There was some debate online because the extra 603 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: extra large and the extra large sold out very quickly, 604 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: so a lot of people thought, well, did they just 605 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: buy ten or so or you know, not as many 606 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: as the other sizes. And I think there would have 607 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: been a lot of pressure from White Fox Boutique for 608 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: this to be a sellout in terms of the marketing, 609 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: because they have received so much backlash over the timing 610 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: of these pajamas being launched and whether they're actually going 611 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: to get to people before Christmas. This might be an 612 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: unpopular opinion, but I quite like the pajamas, haven't. I 613 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: haven't opted to buy anything for myself, but I think 614 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: I've seen them around so much that I'm like, oh, 615 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: they're quite cute. The pajamas did look really cute, and 616 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: what was also cute was the photo that Sarah uploaded 617 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: to launch the pajamas and say that they were on sale. 618 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know if you guys saw the photo, 619 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: but it was of Sarah and her husband Kurt, and 620 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: their two kids, Fox and Malachi, all dressed in the 621 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: matching pajamas, and in the photo they were kind of 622 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: looked like they were having a food fight with Flower 623 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: and there was a gingerbread house in the middle, and 624 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: Sarah was screaming at them for making a mess. Now, 625 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: when you look at the photo, you'd presume that the 626 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: pajama ranged sold size is suitable for the whole family. However, 627 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: in the caption, Sarah said, thank you all for your 628 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: suggestions for our at home photo shoot. I'm so happy 629 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: with how these turned out, although sadly no, Kurt's, Foxy's, 630 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: and Malachi's pajamas are not available for purchase. We thought 631 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: the photo concept was so silly and fun. This is 632 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: just bite Kurt re sharing the photo and saying, can't 633 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: wait for you to get your sets. 634 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: Oh you know. 635 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: It was clear that many of Sarah's followers found the 636 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: photo shoot very confusing. One person wrote online, I love this, 637 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: but it's really confusing advertising, to which Sarah responded, fair. 638 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: I just thought it was a fun pick and Foxy 639 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: was so excited haha. Another comment to asked why the 640 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: men's and children's sizes weren't available now. Another person in 641 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: the comments replied saying they didn't do children's or men 642 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: so this picture is misleading now. Sarah then responded saying, well, 643 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: I did mention it in the caption, Soz Now, I 644 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: was really surprised by this feedback because I know a 645 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: person was being negative, but it's not a very good 646 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: pr response at all. 647 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 2: It's passive aggressive. A lot of her comments were passive aggressive. 648 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was quite shocked. It seems like that this 649 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: feedback has really gotten to her because she even jumped 650 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: on her story today to discuss the fact that the 651 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: pajamas had sold out, and she did thank her followers 652 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: for supporting her, but she kind of was again passive 653 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: aggressive about the feedback regarding the shipping, and she continued 654 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: as well to blame White Fox boutique. She was like, 655 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: bring it up with them. She also touched on the 656 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: fact that everyone wanted the men's and children's pajamas and 657 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: said next year will bring out boys' sizes. Oh Am, 658 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: I allowed to say that in twenty twenty two. 659 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: It was really odd. Oh I thought that comment was 660 00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: so odd. 661 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: It's just like, are you thinking when you put this 662 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: stuff out, like maybe pause, watch it back and think No. 663 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: I think I'll delete it and reshoot it now. Sarah 664 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: did reveal in this story that they had a dedicated 665 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: team at White Fox trying to ship these pajamas out 666 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: in time, and all I could think about were the 667 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: poor people that were still waiting on their Black Friday 668 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: or just like imagine being like, well, they're even later on 669 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: the back burner because we've got to get these Christmas pajamas. 670 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: It was really odd because there were people posting the 671 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: next day that they'd already received them. However, they looked 672 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: like they were real stands of Sarah's Day and a 673 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: few of them had sort of micro following. Yes, so 674 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people are debating whether White Fox Boutique 675 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: gifted some pajamas ahead of time to micro influencers that 676 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: Sarah could then share so that the messaging was out 677 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: there that the pajamas were arriving. Do you think that 678 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: they were that organized if they left the pajamas to 679 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: the thirteenth of December to plan now, they could have 680 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: literally just dropped them off or said hey, girls, can 681 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: you come into White Fox and pick them up? Because 682 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: it's really the shipping that's the issue, and a lot 683 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: of the girls were from New South Way or that 684 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: received them. 685 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it was. 686 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: Quite funny because I know Sarah's Day and Ellie Watson, 687 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: who is also known as Elsa's Wholesome Life get compared 688 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot. They're both young mums who live very holistic, 689 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: healthy lifestyles, and Ellie has her own store called The 690 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: Wholesome Store, and she has also launched her own Christmas 691 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: pajama range. However, she is offering children's sizes as well, 692 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: and her pajamas were very popular. But a lot of 693 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: people have compared her response to her followers to Sarah's 694 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: because Sarah did come across as quite snarky, whereas Ellie 695 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: was also getting feedback that people would like to see 696 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: her pajamas in older kid sizes and also men's sizes, 697 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: and she put a box up saying thank you so 698 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: much for the feedback. 699 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 2: We'll definitely do it next year. This is our first drop. 700 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: Please share any other feedback with me, And it was 701 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: really funny to. 702 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: Compare the two responses. 703 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: Well that's all we've got for you guys today. So 704 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: today's podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 705 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 706 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: Elder's past and present. 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