Speaker 1: Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands
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Speaker 1: past and present, Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land.
Speaker 1: This episode of the podcast was recorded on Gadigal Land
Speaker 1: of the Orination. Hey guys, and welcome back to another
Speaker 1: episode of Life Uncut.
Speaker 2: I'm Brittany and I'm Laura. And last week I gave
Speaker 2: y'all some homework. Indeed I did, and I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: anybody actually went and watch it.
Speaker 1: Well I did, but I did before you gave me
Speaker 1: the homeworks.
Speaker 2: So I did it a little while ago. Okay, well
Speaker 2: you get a gold star for anybody else. I did
Speaker 2: tell you all that we were interviewing Kelsey Waghorn, who
Speaker 2: was from a Netflix documentary. It's called The Volcano Rescue
Speaker 2: from Fakari and it's all about the White Island volcano
Speaker 2: eruption that happened in New Zealand. Now, Kelsey is a
Speaker 2: survivor of the volcano eruption and she speaks so openly
Speaker 2: and so rawly about her experience, about her recovery, but
Speaker 2: not just her physical recovery, also her mental recovery as well.
Speaker 2: It's just not something anyone is ever going to experience.
Speaker 2: It must be comprehensible.
Speaker 1: It's so hard to I think that there's so many times,
Speaker 1: and we talk about this, but there's so many times
Speaker 1: in life that you go through something and you reach
Speaker 1: out to a support group. While there's other people that
Speaker 1: can help you through that situation. But I think for Kelsey,
Speaker 1: there is not a huge group of people that survived
Speaker 1: something as traumatic as a volcano eruption, and you know,
Speaker 1: she had a lot of repercussions from that, and we
Speaker 1: do get into that. It's a truly humbling story. You
Speaker 1: don't have to have seen the documentary to listen to
Speaker 1: this episode, but I can guarantee you after this episode, you're.
Speaker 2: Going to want to go back and watch the documentary.
Speaker 2: Before we get into speaking to Kelsey, though, there is
Speaker 2: something else that we wanted to talk about. There has
Speaker 2: been a research that has gone into why is it
Speaker 2: that people like to date people who look almost the
Speaker 2: same as them. I love to date our siblings. I
Speaker 2: love the.
Speaker 1: People that put the funding into this. Somebody has funded
Speaker 1: this study. Someone has said we need to know why
Speaker 1: people date people that look like their brother and sister.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it was the Instagram siblings all dating.
Speaker 2: Probably I just had this thought.
Speaker 1: Now you went away to Hamilton Island, it looked magnificent.
Speaker 1: Keisha producer Kisha went away to Melbourne, had an amazing wedding,
Speaker 1: amazing time. I don't think I spoke to another human
Speaker 1: the whole weekend.
Speaker 2: You had dinner with someone. Last night. I literally was
Speaker 2: messaging you about work and you were like, sorry, I
Speaker 2: can't do it now I'm at dinner until Sunday night
Speaker 2: at my house.
Speaker 1: I just had one of those weekends where I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna speak to any one of these weekend
Speaker 1: I actually hung out with my dog.
Speaker 2: I actually think that that's great. Every so often, it's
Speaker 2: nice to just go for like an extended period of
Speaker 2: time where you're like, I am not speaking to another human.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't say it. Like, have sympathy for me.
Speaker 1: I love shutting down sometimes, Like I love going into
Speaker 1: a little hermit box. Like if I were an animal,
Speaker 1: I'd probably be a hermit crab, I would think.
Speaker 2: But like with a big lush shell, But that's that's
Speaker 2: what happened with like a Gucci shell that has some
Speaker 2: sort of branding on the I would have spent.
Speaker 1: My javonchi shell and then I would upgrade you the Guchi.
Speaker 1: In my wildest dreams, I would love that. The only
Speaker 1: person I spoke to you really was the lady from
Speaker 1: the store, from the cocoa whip store. So I have
Speaker 1: a new addiction, Laura, coco whip.
Speaker 2: Have you tried it? It's like, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I have. Am I addicted to it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Have I tried it? Yes, I'm addicted, like as in
Speaker 2: frozen yogurt, coconut frozen yogurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's organic, so it's so healthy. Etce too much
Speaker 1: of a good thing is still too much? I mean
Speaker 1: it's still it's still like ten table suits of sugar,
Speaker 1: I think. But it's across the road from me very conveniently.
Speaker 1: It's my new thing that I'm doing every single day.
Speaker 2: So you know what I one single day? Well, you
Speaker 2: know last time I had this addiction, because this is
Speaker 2: also what I do.
Speaker 1: I find one thing. I have it every day for
Speaker 1: like four months. So it was yes, recently this light
Speaker 1: where Yeah.
Speaker 2: Last year it was spinach sausage rolls from the health
Speaker 2: food and porium and it was like, because they're from
Speaker 2: the health food and porium, they're healthy, and I reckon.
Speaker 2: She would eat two a day, like she'd come home
Speaker 2: with just two brown paper bags, and then often she
Speaker 2: would buy four of them, two for herself, one for
Speaker 2: me and Keisha. I didn't even like them. They were
Speaker 2: actually fucking awful every day, every day. Yeah, which was
Speaker 2: very generous of you, but it was almost like you
Speaker 2: wanted other people to get involved in your addiction to
Speaker 2: sausage rolls. And now I feel like we're there with
Speaker 2: the coco Whip, which I'm okay with because I like
Speaker 2: cocoa whip.
Speaker 1: You will eat the sausage roll, and then I upgraded
Speaker 1: upside to eat the meat sausage roll because the thirty
Speaker 1: sausage roll wasn't enough.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I've transitioned. I haven't had a sausage roll for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: I weaned myself off them, and they were really surprised.
Speaker 1: I went in one day. They were like, just a
Speaker 1: sausage roll and I was like.
Speaker 2: No, can't do it anymore, and they were like, what
Speaker 2: are you okay?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 2: Went well, but it's the coca whip now, and that's
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. It's like when you go so hard
Speaker 2: on a song, like you really like a song, and
Speaker 2: then you play it NonStop and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: one day you just get the itck for that song
Speaker 2: and you can't play it again because you've done it
Speaker 2: so many times. But going back to sausage rolls just
Speaker 2: one second.
Speaker 1: I don't know why this is what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: but like I'm gonna go with it. Last week we
Speaker 1: did radio out at our you know, the air and studios.
Speaker 1: We're out of mccuori Park and every Thursday they load
Speaker 1: up they've got like these what's the brea and the
Speaker 1: guy was from The Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Garlo's Pies Jackson Garlic.
Speaker 1: Who remember there was that big scene on The Bachelor
Speaker 1: and the Bachelotte with Andie Kent where he brought her
Speaker 1: a pie.
Speaker 2: And he took her to the pie shop and she
Speaker 2: was a vegan. Well, we have two like of those
Speaker 2: like little hot what are they the little pie ovens.
Speaker 2: There's two pie ovens at the radio station, right and
Speaker 2: every Thursday they load them up with pies and we
Speaker 2: can go and we can have a free pie. Anyway. Well,
Speaker 2: it's like the highlight of the week and that's what
Speaker 2: we used to do, Like last year when we were
Speaker 2: doing radio, we'd go and get a pie every week.
Speaker 2: So it was Friday, We've just done our radio show
Speaker 2: and I went and I was like, oh, there's pies
Speaker 2: in the oven and I when I got one, I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, it's a bit cold, but fine. Fucking
Speaker 2: bit into it and realized it was yesterday's sausage roll
Speaker 2: that had been sitting in there since the Thursday. And
Speaker 2: I was like, had this moment where I was like,
Speaker 2: do I swallow this? You did? Though for sure I
Speaker 2: did because I was in the foyer and Daisy was
Speaker 2: sitting Anyway, how we've managed to get onto a long
Speaker 2: five minute conversation about sausage rolls is on me. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was my experience. Okay, never again. Okay. So how
Speaker 2: was Hamilton Island? Hamilton Island was the absolute freaking best.
Speaker 2: It was also very hot, very muggy, peak wet season,
Speaker 2: but it was beautiful. Now I feel like I'm having
Speaker 2: a real Drew Barrymore moment though, because in sorry, what
Speaker 2: capacity never been kissed or in that it was Lala's birthday,
Speaker 2: Lola's second birthday, and we decided that we were not
Speaker 2: going to do presents, so we did no presence for
Speaker 2: Lola this year, but we took her. She's too She's
Speaker 2: got no idea it could be a problem when she's eight,
Speaker 2: but we took her to Hamilton Island and we had
Speaker 2: like the most beautiful family time together. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: until the Sunday when a lot of our friends and
Speaker 2: family were like, oh, it's Lala's Like everyone forgot because
Speaker 2: we did include on us because we didn't put on
Speaker 2: social media.
Speaker 1: So it's my It was my nephew's birthday on Laala's
Speaker 1: birthday too, so they're born on the same day.
Speaker 2: Cue. Did you remember your nephew's birthday? Yes? I did? Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: now next year, it's going to make it so easy
Speaker 2: for you to remember. So here's the question. Do you
Speaker 2: think you're setting like a scary precedent for your children's birthdays?
Speaker 1: If Lola's second birthday you took it a Hamilton Island,
Speaker 1: What does Marley get for her birthday?
Speaker 2: And what you do every year?
Speaker 1: Now, like I reckon, you've got to wind it back,
Speaker 1: go back to the Tonka truck.
Speaker 2: I guess the way that we're going to approach this
Speaker 2: is kids don't get presents if there's a big holiday
Speaker 2: on their birthday, But if there isn't and we're not
Speaker 2: doing anything particularly special, then they can have presents. Will
Speaker 2: that come back and bite us in the ass? I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe, but like we're just like, we don't
Speaker 2: know what we're doing when it comes to this parenting thing,
Speaker 2: and we're absolutely just kind of throwing caution to the
Speaker 2: wind and doing our best.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'd ever give them a choice and
Speaker 1: say now you can go away for the weekend or
Speaker 1: you can have presents, or do you think because you're
Speaker 1: gonna want the holiday anyway? You're like, this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing. So it was like hack your suit, gay.
Speaker 2: The present was for.
Speaker 1: Us real, Like when I bought that massage Hot massage kit.
Speaker 2: For my boyfriend at the time for a present, but
Speaker 2: I just wanted him to massage me back. It's the
Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, it is the same thing, Okay, but
Speaker 2: something happened on this holiday and I kind of want
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I bought your opinion on it,
Speaker 2: but it was the most outrageous parenting thing I've ever experienced,
Speaker 2: and I was filled with so much fucking rage from
Speaker 2: this that I need to tell you, and I also
Speaker 2: like want everybody else to kind of DM me and
Speaker 2: tell me what you would have done in this instance. Okay,
Speaker 2: well I can just listen if you don't want my opinion, no,
Speaker 2: I would love your input. Okay. So we went out
Speaker 2: on it. We had amazing day trip, went on a
Speaker 2: beautiful boat. It was phenomenal and it was an organized trip.
Speaker 2: There were quite a few families on this trip, and
Speaker 2: it was like we're on a boat, zero phone reception.
Speaker 2: But while we were sitting there, Matt and I kept
Speaker 2: on getting something air drop to us, like air drop
Speaker 2: after air drop after air drop. And this sounds really dumb,
Speaker 2: but at the time I didn't realize that you could
Speaker 2: change your settings and your phone so that you can't
Speaker 2: like as in turn air drop receiving off. So I
Speaker 2: was just canceling them. But Matt, thinking it was funny,
Speaker 2: was accepting the air drops right, And there were just
Speaker 2: pictures of these kids being silly, sending selfies, like really
Speaker 2: silly stuff, and Matt was like, look, if someone's gonna
Speaker 2: send me an air drop, I'm no accept it. Anyway,
Speaker 2: this went on the boat where it was two hours
Speaker 2: it went on for about half an hour of the boat.
Speaker 1: Right, so some other kid has stolen his parents phone.
Speaker 2: Some kid or maybe it's his own phone, who knows.
Speaker 2: They're like fourteen year old kids. And there was a
Speaker 2: group of fourteen year old kids on the boat, like
Speaker 2: this little group of boys, right, So it wasn't an accident.
Speaker 1: I'm picturing a two year old no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: This was like and it was like incessantly sending. You
Speaker 2: couldn't open your phone without having an air drop request
Speaker 2: pop up every two seconds, right, And so instantly I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, it's those it's that group of boys,
Speaker 2: like they are the culprit, the little turd burgers. And
Speaker 2: I definitely made that assumption without like going and checking
Speaker 2: the boat or anything. I was like, it's that group.
Speaker 2: I made that assumption pretty quickly. Anyway, about twenty minutes
Speaker 2: past and I gave my phone to Marley because I'd
Speaker 2: loaded up Coco Melon, I loaded up some other like
Speaker 2: things for her to watch, and she's watching the preloaded
Speaker 2: videos because there was nothing else, Like there was no reception,
Speaker 2: so we couldn't get onto the internet, which is important
Speaker 2: to this story. I could see that the air drops
Speaker 2: were still coming through and she was accepting some of
Speaker 2: the air drops, and I kept going back in to
Speaker 2: turn it off and to like go back to the
Speaker 2: video that she was watching. And then I saw this
Speaker 2: one thing pop up, and it was a video that
Speaker 2: was playing. The kids had started to air drop hardcore,
Speaker 2: fucking pawn hard core, and I'm like, oh, I just
Speaker 2: got goosebumps. It was revolting the porn that they were dropping, right,
Speaker 2: and it had popped up on the screen in front
Speaker 2: of Marley, so she had seen a couple of seconds
Speaker 2: of it before I saw what it was, and I
Speaker 2: grabbed the phone and I obviously turned it off. But
Speaker 2: Matt and I had had a conversation prior where Matt
Speaker 2: was like, do not go and say anything to their parents,
Speaker 2: Like we're on this fucking boat with them, Like, do
Speaker 2: not go and say a thing. I'm sorry you. I
Speaker 2: hope you stormed over there. Mate. As soon as I
Speaker 2: saw this pop up, I was like, I am shaking out.
Speaker 2: I was filled with rage. I'm so mad still, and
Speaker 2: the more I talk about it, the matter I get. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I went up to this family. Actually Matt, Matt
Speaker 2: did it first. I made him because I was so
Speaker 2: enraged that Matt was like, okay, I'll go. So he
Speaker 2: went up and spoke to the parents. He spoke to
Speaker 2: the two dads first, and it was a big groups.
Speaker 2: It was a big group of kids and a big
Speaker 2: group of parents, And he went out and spoke up
Speaker 2: to two of the dads that was standing off to
Speaker 2: the side and just said, hey, your kid's air dropping
Speaker 2: some pretty and appropriate stuff to us, like I just
Speaker 2: want to make you aware of this, and they kind
Speaker 2: of like laughed it off until Matt showed them one
Speaker 2: of the videos and like the video was I can't
Speaker 2: even I won't even describe it because it was so
Speaker 2: unbelievably repulsive, right, I can imagine Matt also being very
Speaker 2: diplomatic and careful at the start. So diplomatic, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: so polite, so like non accusatory. Anyway, Hey, just so
Speaker 2: you know, like my two year olds watching, how got porn?
Speaker 2: Because yes, because of your sad so yeah. And also
Speaker 2: this is content that they had to have had on
Speaker 2: the phone because there was no internet reception, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't like they were downloading it. It was already there. True anyway,
Speaker 2: so good detective work. They didn't take it seriously. Then
Speaker 2: the mother came over to me because I was like, hey, no,
Speaker 2: this is something you need to address. The mother came
Speaker 2: over to me and then started to accuse me of
Speaker 2: like why did we assume that it was their children?
Speaker 2: Like have you gone around the boat? Have you checked
Speaker 2: that one else? She was like, how do you know
Speaker 2: it's my kids? And I felt the rage go through
Speaker 2: the fucking roof. Do you have a mom fight? I
Speaker 2: had a mom fight. She was defending her fourteen year
Speaker 2: old boys, and I was like, you need to reprimand
Speaker 2: your children for just sending my three year old hardcore
Speaker 2: porn or go up.
Speaker 1: And just say, can I please look at your phone?
Speaker 2: So anyway, she ended up taking the phone. Well, the
Speaker 2: dad did and he went through the phone and he
Speaker 2: came up to us about fifteen minutes later, and he
Speaker 2: was like really casual about it. He was like, hey,
Speaker 2: so sorry about that. Uh yeah, look one of the
Speaker 2: videos was on my son's phone, so I guess it
Speaker 2: was them. Haha. Teenagers? Hey, and I cannot accept that
Speaker 2: this is just teenagers? So do you okay? No, okay,
Speaker 2: here we go, here we go? Is this just teenagers?
Speaker 1: Is that? Like?
Speaker 2: How do you as a parent not know that that's
Speaker 2: what your teenager has loaded onto their phone. Nah, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I get that this is a thing that teenagers
Speaker 1: would do in terms of they're curious, they're gonna download porn,
Speaker 1: they're gonna watch porn. I get that, But it is
Speaker 1: not it just oh, just teenagers. You can't brush that
Speaker 1: off when they are sending that to other people because
Speaker 1: they think it's entertaining.
Speaker 2: Like that is different.
Speaker 1: But I think that a fourteen year old, fifteen year
Speaker 1: old is going to be looking at porn. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can avoid that. But you can go and
Speaker 1: reprimand your child and say, you know what, I get
Speaker 1: you curious, you're gonna look at it. That's fine, but
Speaker 1: you can't go and force that onto someone else, especially
Speaker 1: when there's a two year old on the phone.
Speaker 2: I think for me, it was the type of porn.
Speaker 2: So this pawn was very and like you know, just
Speaker 2: very much trigger warning here for anybody who this is
Speaker 2: going to be too much for So this pawn was
Speaker 2: very much rape culture porn, and so to me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: if your child has that on their phone and you
Speaker 2: don't take that seriously like that is not just boys
Speaker 2: will be boys, That is not just old teenagers will
Speaker 2: be teenagers. That is absolutely fucking frightening, and it makes
Speaker 2: me think like, what are these fourteen year old boys
Speaker 2: thinking about women, thinking about how women want to enjoy
Speaker 2: sexual experiences? How do they respect women or girls their
Speaker 2: own age? There was so much more loaded into this
Speaker 2: fifteen minute encounter that for me, as a parent of
Speaker 2: really young children who I know will become teenagers one day,
Speaker 2: was really frightening. That is different. That changes things.
Speaker 1: If it's not just like this is curiosity. No, if
Speaker 1: it's not just like I don't want to say standard sex.
Speaker 1: But if it if.
Speaker 2: It's not just that it's missionary, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear about it. I mean, missionary is one thing.
Speaker 1: But no, when you're add in that it's a rape
Speaker 1: culture style porn, I mean that of course that changes things.
Speaker 1: And they're standing there and they think it's funny. We
Speaker 1: don't know that they think the rape culture is funny.
Speaker 1: We know they think sending porn and making someone uncomfortable
Speaker 1: is funny. But the fact that at fourteen, when you
Speaker 1: were so impressionable, and that is what you are learning,
Speaker 1: and that is when you're developing your interests and what
Speaker 1: you think is okay, the way you respect people, the
Speaker 1: way you navigate that life. If that is what they're
Speaker 1: choosing to watch over anything else, extremely problematic. Yes, that
Speaker 1: is something the parents need to talk about. And I
Speaker 1: think that you, in this case were completely in the right.
Speaker 1: These parents were obviously completely in the wrong. And if
Speaker 1: they if they parents laugh this off, it's an indication
Speaker 1: of why the kids think that this is okay. Like,
Speaker 1: learn from your surroundings and like the five people you're
Speaker 1: closest to. So if your parents who you're learning from,
Speaker 1: think that this is okay, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: kid's gonna hap.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they didn't think okay. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: one of those situations where it's like they want to
Speaker 2: have a nice day with their kids. They've they've taken
Speaker 2: them out on this experience, and it's like to reprimand
Speaker 2: them would just mean that everyone has a terrible time.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, well, like, look, it's unfortunate,
Speaker 2: let's put it off to the side. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: There was a part of me that felt even more
Speaker 2: frustrated that they hadn't taken it more seriously, that was
Speaker 2: my okay, that was like something that happened on the weekend.
Speaker 2: The trip was literally a trip of a lifetime. It
Speaker 2: was phenomenal. But that was just such a parenting moment
Speaker 2: where I was like, Wow, there's a right way in
Speaker 2: a wrong way, and I feel like this was handled
Speaker 2: so badly.
Speaker 1: I am just picturing what my dad like. They call
Speaker 1: him big tones, big Tony. I call him for a reason.
Speaker 1: He's a big boy Papa hockey hockey.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he's just more oh my god, my dad's the best.
Speaker 1: But he would gone off someon would have been overboard
Speaker 1: like that, that would not have flown.
Speaker 2: Well. No, look Matt very much. He stood up to
Speaker 2: the plate after it kind of escalated, But it was
Speaker 2: more so just I know it's human nature and parenting
Speaker 2: nature to want to defend your children, like you never
Speaker 2: want to think the worst of them, but like, it
Speaker 2: was such an unusual experience. I never ever thought I
Speaker 2: would be in that situation, And I don't know how
Speaker 2: I would have responded if I was on the other side,
Speaker 2: but I think I would have responded quite differently.
Speaker 1: I would like to think that these parents were probably
Speaker 1: embarrassed a level of embarrassment. Didn't want to make maybe
Speaker 1: a big scene, like you said, and let's all hope
Speaker 1: that they went up to the kids.
Speaker 2: And we're like, we're gonna deal with this later.
Speaker 1: Well in by the year, but like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to cause a scene right now.
Speaker 2: Never having a phone again or sex ever.
Speaker 1: No, well, speaking of parenting, my brother had a baby
Speaker 1: on the weekend. He obviously h didn't, but his fiance
Speaker 1: Kim did. Is my brother Dane and his partner Kim
Speaker 1: had a baby. So I'm an auntie again, which is
Speaker 1: very nice, very cute.
Speaker 2: I want to gauge your opinion. No, I know what
Speaker 2: you're doing here, and I'm not okay with this. I
Speaker 2: don't like that you have waited until we're on record
Speaker 2: to tell me the name, which makes me think that
Speaker 2: I'm going to have adverse feelings towards No, the child
Speaker 2: had had no choice in this. It's not their fault.
Speaker 2: Whatever your brother named their child, it's not your child.
Speaker 1: It's one of those names that gonna be like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna prey scarticle or fucking cupcake or something, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's one of those names that like at the start,
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, okay, unusual, but then I think it
Speaker 1: grows on you. Okay, So that happened with my niece,
Speaker 1: same family. My niece she's six, so six years ago,
Speaker 1: so I don't think his name was as common as
Speaker 1: six or seven years ago. Pick.
Speaker 2: Her name's Pixie and I like that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I remember when they were like, he it's Pixie. Sherry
Speaker 1: and I were like, oh, that's nice, but we didn't
Speaker 1: but we hadn't heard it a lot and it was unusual.
Speaker 1: But like you know, a month later, she's never going
Speaker 1: to be anything else. It's Pixie and it's adorable and
Speaker 1: I love it, and I think his name's the same.
Speaker 2: This is one of those things, right where like whatever
Speaker 2: you name your child is going to have an impact
Speaker 2: on who they are and what they grow up to
Speaker 2: be because it actually influences the way that people speak
Speaker 2: to them. So if you give someone a cutesy name,
Speaker 2: they're never going to be like missus Cupcake, who's representing
Speaker 2: you in the legal services. I've met a kid and
Speaker 2: their name was Okay, and it's thrown me the rest
Speaker 2: of my life, which is wild.
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to do a call out for like
Speaker 1: the most unusual names at preschool. But yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: funny that you say that, like it's who they're grow into.
Speaker 1: Because my brother is a big boy. He's six foot
Speaker 1: two or something like big, broad shoulders, he's chattered like
Speaker 1: he's a big boy.
Speaker 2: He's a film say, Kim's.
Speaker 1: A beautiful, amazing but she's very tall as well. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna have tall kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they just done. She ain't gonna be a pixie,
Speaker 2: she's gonna be a tall Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's a little boy and his name is Bear.
Speaker 2: Oh I like that. Why do you think that that's
Speaker 2: so weird? Well it's not.
Speaker 1: It's weird, but it's unusual to me because I haven't
Speaker 1: heard it. Yeah, like rah bear like bear.
Speaker 2: B e r Yeah, grizzly be like rah bear cute.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Do you think it's Do you
Speaker 2: think that he's gonna grow up and he's.
Speaker 1: Going to be he's going to be so tall and
Speaker 1: his name's bet.
Speaker 2: Also very good if he turns out to be gay,
Speaker 2: because it's already sort of for him, he'll be the bear.
Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing, because he's gonna be Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna like the grizzly bed.
Speaker 2: That's a gay term, isn't it. I only know that
Speaker 2: from your brother, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm an auntie again and he's absolutely adorable. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go visit probably next week, and I'll give
Speaker 1: you a little update. But is Yeah, it's fun to
Speaker 1: be an auntie because I get my mom fixed.
Speaker 2: Without having to give birth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I see your kids, and I see my
Speaker 1: aunt my nieces and nephews, and all my friends have kids,
Speaker 1: and I get what I need for the minute. Hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to know an update on that?
Speaker 2: What on the egg freezing situation? I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: freeze my eggs again. Yeah, how many eggs do you need?
Speaker 2: To freeze as many as you can?
Speaker 1: So I only got fifteen, which sounds like a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's actually not that many. So that could result
Speaker 1: in maybe four viable They might not actually take four
Speaker 1: is enough for children, but that's only if they take
Speaker 1: so then they might not work anyway. But no, what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is, for the first time ever,
Speaker 1: You know how I always talk about kids and like
Speaker 1: I'm I've always been more.
Speaker 2: I don't think I want them, No, Like I'm always no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: when we first started this podcast, you were always like, yes,
Speaker 2: I know I want them, and then over the years
Speaker 2: you were like, the more time I spend with your children,
Speaker 2: I think I don't want that. And I was like,
Speaker 2: that's really offensive. That's a super offensive thing to say,
Speaker 2: but let's go with it.
Speaker 1: But yes, that is true, but it's also not your kids.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with them and then the best kids. It's
Speaker 1: just the way it changes your life. I've always thought
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for that, so it's my life now,
Speaker 1: So it's your entire existence. So it's actually everything about
Speaker 1: the way that you live that I hate. It's just
Speaker 1: all of you in a package. I don't want it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but it's there.
Speaker 2: You know, we all know parenting is a full time job.
Speaker 2: It is, but it's one thing to know it, and
Speaker 2: it's another thing to see it.
Speaker 1: It's one thing for me to sit at home knowing
Speaker 1: how busy someone is and tied there and screaming in tantrums,
Speaker 1: but it's another thing when you're there. And I've always
Speaker 1: thought that every time I'm around my friend's kids, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not ready for that. I don't think
Speaker 1: I want it for the first time ever. Now I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's an age thing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's banned minu partner. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: But for the first time, if I've been on that
Speaker 1: precipice in the middle and I don't know which way
Speaker 1: to fall, I'm starting to fool the kid's way.
Speaker 2: It's because you're newly a life of no because I
Speaker 2: wasn't like that with Jordan.
Speaker 1: I was still like, I don't think I want them.
Speaker 1: And I also don't know if it's because this year
Speaker 1: I'm thirty six.
Speaker 2: Guys, the truth is out. Finally, may put that into
Speaker 2: your reporting. We'll still thirty five technically. Okay, wait, I
Speaker 2: have a question for you about this, because I think
Speaker 2: this is really interesting. Do you think it partly plays
Speaker 2: into the fact that Jordan was quite on the opposite
Speaker 2: side of it. So Jordan was very much that he
Speaker 2: didn't want to have kids, or he would do it
Speaker 2: to make you happy, but it wasn't something that he
Speaker 2: was excited about. And I know that this is a
Speaker 2: personal preference. I don't want anyone to think that just
Speaker 2: because you have a partner who really wants to have children,
Speaker 2: that you'll change your mind. But do you think for
Speaker 2: you it has had an influence on how you're feeling.
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't think so, because I mean, yes, of
Speaker 1: course there's going to be some level for sure, But
Speaker 1: I went into that. I met Jordan when I was
Speaker 1: already freezing my eggs. I was freezing my eggs because well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't in a situation to have a child, and
Speaker 1: I also didn't want that child yet. And I had
Speaker 1: this conversation with my sister and my friends and you
Speaker 1: guys for years, how do you know when am I
Speaker 1: going to know?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like I'm waiting for that time
Speaker 1: to come where it hits me like a train, being
Speaker 1: like I can't wait to have a baby, and it
Speaker 1: never came. So then if I really wanted children and
Speaker 1: I started to date someone that didn't, that's a bit
Speaker 1: of a deal breaker for me, right If two people
Speaker 1: are pole opposite with something as big as a life
Speaker 1: change like children, it's not gonna work out. But it
Speaker 1: didn't put me off at all when I met Jordan,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't sure myself, and I was always like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want that whole life change,
Speaker 1: and it was something I was really working on in
Speaker 1: myself because it's a scary thought to think you might
Speaker 1: not want it, because there's no going back down the
Speaker 1: track like later on in the track.
Speaker 2: And also when you have to deal with so many
Speaker 2: people constantly telling you that you will regret it, and
Speaker 2: even if you don't think that you will, that constantness
Speaker 2: would definitely plant some doubt, plant some fear if nothing else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think a lot of people will understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that are in my position where they
Speaker 1: don't think they want them. They will resonate with what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Where it is a scary thought because even
Speaker 1: though you could almost be sure about something, there's still
Speaker 1: this little bit of doubt. And it's not something you
Speaker 1: can just change, like you down the track in twenty years.
Speaker 1: You can't be like, it's not like when you were,
Speaker 1: like I wish I went on that holiday to Iceland,
Speaker 1: I'll just go. You can't go back in time and
Speaker 1: change that situation. So it's it puts a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on you. But for the first time I've changed,
Speaker 1: I think that it's something that I do want in
Speaker 1: my future now and I'm not saying that I'm having
Speaker 1: them and I'm excited, And I do think maybe it's
Speaker 1: a thing where it's I am thirty five now, and
Speaker 1: maybe that maternal instinct for me is kicking in a
Speaker 1: lot later in life. But I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's my life update. I think I'm rolling over.
Speaker 2: One more question about this. If you were not with
Speaker 2: Ben and you were on your own, would you still
Speaker 2: want to do it? Do you think that you would
Speaker 2: ever pursue having children regardless of your relationship status at
Speaker 2: this stage?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, at this stage no.
Speaker 1: I would be okay if it happened, of course, and
Speaker 1: you'd make it work. But I still don't think it's
Speaker 1: a choice I'd go down My whole being doesn't want
Speaker 1: it enough to go down that track alone.
Speaker 2: Well, then maybe it does have this massive influence. The
Speaker 2: fact that you're in a relationship now with someone who
Speaker 2: wants kids in their future. It has helped to push
Speaker 2: you within a direction where you're seeing that as part
Speaker 2: of your future. Because I had the same thing with Matt,
Speaker 2: I didn't ever have that maternal push. I really didn't,
Speaker 2: but I knew Matt really wanted to have kids, and
Speaker 2: for him, that was a huge deal breaker. If I
Speaker 2: said I didn't want to have children, we would never
Speaker 2: have been together. I never felt strongly either way. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't a case that I got into relationship with
Speaker 2: him and it forced me to have children. It was
Speaker 2: that because I was with him, well, I could see
Speaker 2: myself then having kids more than I could say a
Speaker 2: year prior, and now I couldn't see my life without children.
Speaker 2: But I know that everybody's experience around that is so different.
Speaker 2: And that's why we've done an episode on being childless
Speaker 2: by choice, because I think it's so important that for
Speaker 2: people who know that they don't want children that they
Speaker 2: feel represented but also not just represented, respected in their decisions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know Ben, it's early days, it's a
Speaker 1: couple of months.
Speaker 2: But I know Ben as a person.
Speaker 1: We've spoken about it enough to know, you know, like,
Speaker 1: do you want kids?
Speaker 2: Do you not? Like we talk about that stuff. He's
Speaker 2: a bit like me too.
Speaker 1: He's like, if you adamantly didn't want them, that would
Speaker 1: be okay. He's like, but I've always sort of just
Speaker 1: seen them in my life, so he's also not strongly
Speaker 1: wanting them. But when I look at him and I
Speaker 1: think this is something any woman thinks about when they
Speaker 1: start to date somebody, whether it's a woman or a man,
Speaker 1: do you look at them in that parental light? Do
Speaker 1: you think that would be a good parent, a good dad,
Speaker 1: or a good mom. And I know he would be
Speaker 1: a great dad. He's so gentle and kind, And there's
Speaker 1: a part of me that's like, oh, I can if
Speaker 1: I went down that track with that person one day,
Speaker 1: I can see that it would be a really good situation.
Speaker 1: So there might be a little part of that too
Speaker 1: where I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, and also, would you make a good team?
Speaker 2: I think is the biggest thing. Yeah. Well, before we
Speaker 2: get into speaking to Kelsey on today's episode, there was
Speaker 2: one more thing that I wanted to talk to you about,
Speaker 2: Britt and it is an article that came out in
Speaker 2: Psychology today. Pedestrian also did a peace on it. But
Speaker 2: it's all around how there are now scientific reasons as
Speaker 2: to why we seem to choose people who look like us.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the whole Instagram account, siblings or dating.
Speaker 2: I do know it. You also know that people think
Speaker 2: that Matt and I look like we could be related.
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually has crossed my mind before.
Speaker 2: To be fair, I think that every single guy I've
Speaker 2: ever had a long term relationship with looks like they
Speaker 2: could be my brother. Well, so maybe this is a thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe so, oh no, it's a thing.
Speaker 1: It is science is doing its job and being science,
Speaker 1: and there's a room behind it.
Speaker 2: That was the most profound thing that you said. Science
Speaker 2: is doing its job and it is doing science.
Speaker 1: But that's funny you say that, like the whole you
Speaker 1: just said, you know, this is this is this article
Speaker 1: it says there's a scientific reason. Then you're like, hang
Speaker 1: on a minute, everyone I've dated.
Speaker 2: Look like my brother, well everybody, actually, nobody I've dated
Speaker 2: has looked like my brother. But everybody I've dated has
Speaker 2: kind of looked like myself, which I think is way
Speaker 2: more problematic than dating someone who you look like you're
Speaker 2: related to. The thing is you don't look.
Speaker 1: At you and Matt and think that you look the same.
Speaker 1: But if you did take a step back and look,
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I can see similarities, Like, yes, there
Speaker 1: could be a relation.
Speaker 2: Well okay. This has always been something that's floated around
Speaker 2: the nether like. People have made the comment and this
Speaker 2: is not about me specifically, but people have made the
Speaker 2: comment that often we were attracted to people who look
Speaker 2: similar to us, or people will end up dating people
Speaker 2: who look almost the saint. I mean, look at the
Speaker 2: couple who are on Mass at the moment, who literally
Speaker 2: look like they could be related. Yeah, and remember you,
Speaker 2: I don't watch maths, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: But remember there was this big thing or the life
Speaker 1: is a remember, but there was that big thing that
Speaker 1: everyone said that I was dating.
Speaker 2: Jordan and Jordan looked like you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Remember they did it. They did a comparison and they
Speaker 2: put a beard on me.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're the person I see the most of
Speaker 1: my life and I started dating you, like, maybe there
Speaker 1: is something to us.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I wanted to break down some of the
Speaker 2: reasons that psychology today has given as to why we
Speaker 2: are attracted to people who look similar to us. Yeah, now,
Speaker 2: straight off the back one of them. I mean, and
Speaker 2: this is pretty obvious. I think it's called a group biases.
Speaker 2: So the reason for this is that we attracted to
Speaker 2: people who are of similar race to us, So like
Speaker 2: the same race, were attracted to people who are from
Speaker 2: our own communities who look similar to us in that vein.
Speaker 2: I think that this one, though, is a bit more
Speaker 2: self explanatory because often we live in communities where, say,
Speaker 2: if you're Anglo Saxon, you live with Anglo Saxon people
Speaker 2: within Australia. Yeah, that's a blanket statement totally. People who
Speaker 2: are Latino often end up dating Latinos, not just because
Speaker 2: you live around each other, but because all your close networks,
Speaker 2: your friends, your families. You know, often the people who
Speaker 2: are surrounded by you and in your communities are of
Speaker 2: a similar race, just by circumstance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whereas I was always like a fly to a flame.
Speaker 2: What's that thing that's not it? I'm to a fly
Speaker 2: to a one day old pizza.
Speaker 1: I was like a flagal pizza.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I was a fly to a pizza with people that
Speaker 1: couldn't be more different to me. So maybe I would
Speaker 1: lay outside the box. But everyone I know that is
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, people are attracted to people that are
Speaker 1: very similar to them.
Speaker 2: So there's another thing called implicit egotism. Sid that break
Speaker 2: that down for us. Implicit egotism is kind of that
Speaker 2: we are attracted to people who look similar to us
Speaker 2: because we like to see ourselves reflected back in that
Speaker 2: other person, which sounds so monumentally fucked. That's where the
Speaker 2: eco part comes in. But there was a research study
Speaker 2: that was done and basically they used AI to morph
Speaker 2: the face, so they gave like they did tests, right,
Speaker 2: they gave all these different facial options, and the facial
Speaker 2: option that the person the participant found the most attractive
Speaker 2: was the person who had at least twenty percent of
Speaker 2: their own facial features morphed onto it. So that's great.
Speaker 2: We always say you need to love yourself, you need
Speaker 2: to look in the mirror and be like, you are beautiful.
Speaker 2: You can do this, so okay. The thing that's interesting
Speaker 2: about this though, is that it would almost imply that
Speaker 2: we should then be attracted to our siblings, if that's
Speaker 2: the case. But it's like people in this study were
Speaker 2: attracted to people who looked like them, not evenly, just
Speaker 2: looked like them, like had physical features that were identical
Speaker 2: to theirs because of this AI technology. But as soon
Speaker 2: as that research group were told that they were doing
Speaker 2: a study on incest, they instantly found those people not attractive.
Speaker 2: So like when they were shown other options that had
Speaker 2: that twenty percent phase morph. It's not about like wanting
Speaker 2: to date your brother. It's just about that we like
Speaker 2: to see things mirrored back because that's a face or
Speaker 2: a feature that we have become so familiar with, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a feature that looks safe to us, not just
Speaker 2: from an egotistical point of view. Well, I think that.
Speaker 1: Leans into the fact why they say a lot of
Speaker 1: women date men or look for men with characteristics of
Speaker 1: their dad. And now obviously that's not everyone, but a
Speaker 1: lot of women seek out somebody and it's not because
Speaker 1: they look like their dad, but it's because they have
Speaker 1: this close relationship with the dad.
Speaker 2: They usually would like have a level.
Speaker 1: Of respect and love, and they seek out someone that
Speaker 1: has these daddy values. But it's not this weird daddy
Speaker 1: issues thing. It's just that, like, so, I know I
Speaker 1: would do it because I love the way my dad's
Speaker 1: morals and I love the way he goes about his life,
Speaker 1: his work and his family and is so I've always
Speaker 1: sought out someone that has that. And it's been a
Speaker 1: problem in the past. People have been like, I'm not
Speaker 1: your dad, and I'm like, well, yeah, should be, because
Speaker 1: my dad would never say that.
Speaker 2: Okay, well this is this is actually one of them,
Speaker 2: is that we are attracted to people who if not
Speaker 2: reflecting ourselves back who reflect our parents if we have
Speaker 2: healthy attachment relationships with our parents, which kind of sounds
Speaker 2: like some sort of messed up Freudian situation where you know,
Speaker 2: boys want to date their mummies and we want to
Speaker 2: date that our daddies, which also is weird because people
Speaker 2: say that I am kind of similar to Matt's mum,
Speaker 2: so like I'm having a hand.
Speaker 1: Are you his sister or his mum?
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not a silt. We look very different. I
Speaker 2: think I'm more Matt's mum than I am his sister,
Speaker 2: which is kind of weird, but anyway, we can kind
Speaker 2: of move past that. But it's totally a thing where
Speaker 2: if you have a strong emotional connection to your parents
Speaker 2: and they've laid that blueprint for like what a healthy
Speaker 2: relationship should be, then we tend to seek out people
Speaker 2: who are similar and maybe even look similar to our
Speaker 2: parents as well. Yeah weird, I'm about that anything else? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So one of the other ones I thought was really
Speaker 2: interesting is there's another thing called game theory, which I
Speaker 2: think makes total sense because when you think people date
Speaker 2: of all different levels of hotness. Okay, hear me out here,
Speaker 2: So theoretically, there are the hottest peaceeople in society, and
Speaker 2: then there are less hot people as it kind of
Speaker 2: goes on, Right, But people seem to date other people
Speaker 2: who match their level of hotness. Right. Someone has actually
Speaker 2: done a research study into this, and the reason behind
Speaker 2: it is because it's kind of like the top of
Speaker 2: the food chain. If everybody went for the hottest person,
Speaker 2: the option would be so minimal, like there was not
Speaker 2: that many people to choose from, So we tend to
Speaker 2: go for people who are like for like, we tend
Speaker 2: to date people or be attracted to people who look
Speaker 2: similar to us in terms of our social or theoretical hotness,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense. It's funny you say that except
Speaker 2: for some men who have inflated self egos and date
Speaker 2: really hot chicks.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to speak on behalf of like a
Speaker 1: group of my friends. We've had these conversations many times
Speaker 1: when we're online dating. Right, A lot of my friends
Speaker 1: have said that they were like, they'll look at someone
Speaker 1: and I'll say I would never swipe them, or I'd
Speaker 1: never ask them out. I would say why and they're like,
Speaker 1: they're too hot. They're like, I wouldn't want to date
Speaker 1: someone that good looking. And there's a real general consensus
Speaker 1: that a lot of women on a date somebody that
Speaker 1: they think is less attractive but like personality, funny in everything,
Speaker 1: but less attractive because they don't feel as attractive when
Speaker 1: they're with someone that's hotter.
Speaker 2: And this is not like a one off.
Speaker 1: I have had so many friends say that, oh he's
Speaker 1: too he's too ripped, like he's too hot. I would
Speaker 1: just feel like inadequate next to him. And I find
Speaker 1: that really interesting because I've always shot my shot way higher.
Speaker 2: I've always gone.
Speaker 1: I was like, I ain't got nothing to lose, because
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do?
Speaker 2: Say no? Like if I could go for that ten,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I am. I completely agree with the general consensus of
Speaker 2: other women. Like I mean, I think Matt is like
Speaker 2: a very very attractive man. Would I have sought him
Speaker 2: out had we met in a different circumstance, probably not,
Speaker 2: or had I met him on a dating side or something.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have thought that we would
Speaker 2: have been compatible. And maybe that makes me seem like
Speaker 2: I have a low self esteem, but I don't. It
Speaker 2: doesn't come down to self esteem for me. What it
Speaker 2: comes down to, is this assumption that really hot people
Speaker 2: will be arrogant, or they'll know that they're hot, or
Speaker 2: they won't be as funny, or because they've been so
Speaker 2: good looking, they haven't had to work on their personality.
Speaker 2: So I guess I have had this like bias towards
Speaker 2: really hot people in the past, and they haven't been
Speaker 2: the people that I've been attracted to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but mine's also not about the way I view
Speaker 1: myself because I'm not a ten.
Speaker 2: I know that I know are a ten. Shut up. No, No,
Speaker 2: that's annoying. Everyone listening to this is annoyed by that.
Speaker 2: But listen.
Speaker 1: My point is I don't do it because I think
Speaker 1: I'm hot. I do it because if there's a chance
Speaker 1: I could bang Brad Pitt, I'm gonna take it, like
Speaker 1: because if you're not scared of failure, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: like failure, No, And I'm not scared of failure. So
Speaker 1: I think if Brad Pitt's there, right, and this has happened,
Speaker 1: Remember Channing Tatum. I saw him on RAYA. I super
Speaker 1: liked this shit out of Channing ten, which.
Speaker 2: Was embarrassing because you kept super liking him and he
Speaker 2: was like go away. Well yeah, well I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe got lost in the mail. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: I still do it again.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's just wind it back. I super liked him
Speaker 1: twice for a long time. That is, that is a
Speaker 1: lot of super liking.
Speaker 2: If any guys super me twice, I'd be like, slow down, buddy,
Speaker 2: I got it the first time, and I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: My boy me is like, I've dated all different people
Speaker 1: that look all different ways, but I just think it's
Speaker 1: not because I think I deserve it and I'm hot,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, if there's any chance that I could
Speaker 1: go to bed with prep?
Speaker 2: Okay. The last one I want to talk to you
Speaker 2: about is something called empathetic mimicking. Right, So apparently this
Speaker 2: means that sometimes we will date someone who doesn't actually
Speaker 2: look like us, but over time, because you spend so
Speaker 2: much time together, because you start to like the same things,
Speaker 2: because like your interests start to merch you literally, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at you, Brittany Hockley. You literally start
Speaker 2: to look like your partner because you are morphing into
Speaker 2: them because of similar like similar everything. You start wearing
Speaker 2: their clothes. Yeah, fuck, I went into BRIT's house the
Speaker 2: other day and she had a fucking football jersey hanging
Speaker 2: up in the bathroom, and I was like, Oh, here
Speaker 2: we go. It's empathetic mimicking happening. She's turning into bed.
Speaker 2: I don't hang on a minute.
Speaker 1: I don't actually wear that as my fashion.
Speaker 2: I do. Okay, you say this, nut nap. I will
Speaker 2: put money on the fact that in at least six
Speaker 2: months time, you'll forget this conversation. You will upload a
Speaker 2: storage Instagram and you will be out going for a
Speaker 2: fucking walk. You'll be going out to lunch and you'll
Speaker 2: be wearing a football jersey. Go do it, money, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do money. I'm gonna do it tomorrow. Money on
Speaker 2: the table. Let's get okay, let's move all right. Well,
Speaker 2: you have a couple of absolutely freaking hilarious stories that
Speaker 2: have come in, and there was one that I wanted
Speaker 2: to read to you guys straight off the bat, because
Speaker 2: holy dick, this is great. We did a call out
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago for some dating disaster stories,
Speaker 2: and now we've all got a dating disaster story. But
Speaker 2: this one truly hit home. I went on a date
Speaker 2: with a fireman who bragged about taking me for a
Speaker 2: spin in his fire truck after dinner. When we got
Speaker 2: to the fire station, he made a big deal about it,
Speaker 2: and he lifted me up into the truck and he
Speaker 2: put a fireman hat on my head and told me
Speaker 2: I could ring the sirens. He then went back to
Speaker 2: the truck, reversed about three meters, and then drove it
Speaker 2: forward again back into the station, and he turned to
Speaker 2: me and said, so, how was that. I thought he
Speaker 2: was kidding, so I started to laugh, but then he
Speaker 2: turned off the ignition and he got out. He genuinely
Speaker 2: thought that the three meter reverse in his truck was
Speaker 2: taking me for a spin. I feel like he has
Speaker 2: had so many small children that he's had like been
Speaker 2: like this is how we do it, and he kind
Speaker 2: of is infantizing women. Also how patronizing he is, but
Speaker 2: like I'll lift you up, like you can't get the
Speaker 2: truck your old child, and do you want to ring
Speaker 2: the bell?
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry, I'd be hot out of there.
Speaker 2: If anything's going to keep your pennies on, it's a
Speaker 2: man who says, put my little hat on, ring the.
Speaker 1: Bell, sweetie, Like, where's the part where you take your
Speaker 1: shirt off and hoe yourself down and we take a
Speaker 1: calendar picture, like he just went from being like a
Speaker 1: hot fireman to being a daddy all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: That which with some people that might actually get them off,
Speaker 1: but you know what, not this person.
Speaker 2: I'm just not.
Speaker 1: Sure when that ever worked for him, though.
Speaker 2: Maybe that has in the past.
Speaker 1: And therefore, what grown woman is going to get off
Speaker 1: on a firetruck?
Speaker 2: Okay? Do you know what this makes me think? Though?
Speaker 2: It makes me think that he was like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to take you for a spin in my fire truck.
Speaker 2: But legally he's actually not allowed to take the fire
Speaker 2: truck out, so that's why he drove it down them
Speaker 2: for driveway and back.
Speaker 1: Arackon, he's just a volunteer and he's probably stolen the keys.
Speaker 2: He's not even out in it. That's what I reckon. Okay.
Speaker 1: My one is we got sent in a screenshot. We
Speaker 1: got sent in a dating profile screenshot, and there's a
Speaker 1: picture of two women having a drink, two friends obviously,
Speaker 1: and he has written to her and said I'm changing
Speaker 1: the names. He's written to her and said, hey, Sarah
Speaker 1: is your friend in the pick single because she looks nice.
Speaker 1: So he's added Sarah and matched and then asked about
Speaker 1: the friend in the picture.
Speaker 2: Good game good. I've wanted to do that before. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that this is shows you that you can.
Speaker 2: Will it be a successful outcome? Absolutely not, but it's
Speaker 2: going to show your shot.
Speaker 1: Actually I just said, no, you can't, but can you?
Speaker 2: Maybe you care? It's very offensive. It's never gonna go
Speaker 2: down well. But I feel like that this is not
Speaker 2: an uncommon thing for people who are on dating apps.
Speaker 2: How often is it that you match with someone and
Speaker 2: then you find out that the person you match with
Speaker 2: isn't the one that you thought was hot in the pictures,
Speaker 2: It was their friend And did you want a message
Speaker 2: to them and say, hey, who's your friend? Yes?
Speaker 1: So I've done it multiple times where I've seen someone
Speaker 1: and I know they're the main person, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to match with you, but god, I
Speaker 1: want to know your friend and you can't.
Speaker 2: So then you go onto their Instagram and you stalk
Speaker 2: them to try and find who their friend is.
Speaker 1: It only works if they've linked their Instagram like otherwise
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no way to do it. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if what if that person could be the love
Speaker 1: of your life. Do you match like Shane did? Do
Speaker 1: you match and shoot your shot with a friend. It
Speaker 1: is very offensive because if you've matched, that girl has
Speaker 1: said like, I'm choosing you, but you're choosing there choosing
Speaker 1: my friend and then as a friend.
Speaker 2: Do you cock blocker? Cock block? Do you say fuck you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Or do you link them up?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You don't, no question? Now you cock block? You don't?
Speaker 2: Like you know, don't. You're not a dating app for
Speaker 2: your friends. You're not there facilitating your friend's dating. You're
Speaker 2: there for yourself and yourself only.
Speaker 1: Okay, if this has ever happened to anyone, please write
Speaker 1: in if you've ever met up.
Speaker 2: Keisha's in the corner saying all she does is facilitate
Speaker 2: Brits dating.
Speaker 1: Oh please, I facilitate her dating.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into the chat with Kelsey. The
Speaker 2: film called The Volcano Rescue from Forkari is currently on
Speaker 2: Netflix and it documents the White Island disaster. On the
Speaker 2: ninth of December in twenty nineteen, forty seven people were
Speaker 2: on Forkari when it erupted. It killed twenty two people
Speaker 2: and it injured twenty five others, with the majority suffering
Speaker 2: from severe burns.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day. You could fill the heat
Speaker 1: from the volcano.
Speaker 4: From a description, it was an icy, easy height. They
Speaker 4: didn't make it sound dangerous.
Speaker 3: I knew what could happen out there, but you don't
Speaker 3: believe it will happen.
Speaker 4: Right, I thought, this is it. We're going to die
Speaker 4: on her honeymoon.
Speaker 1: I heard the call, there's people on the island and
Speaker 1: she's erupting.
Speaker 3: The hate alone, it's just unbearable. The burns went through
Speaker 3: all my clothes. I fear dealing with people who are
Speaker 3: going to die within the next hour of.
Speaker 4: Sils or stuff.
Speaker 2: At this stage, it is too dangerous for police and
Speaker 2: rescue services to go to the island of the authority.
Speaker 4: See, they're on your eyes.
Speaker 2: An eruption that lasted two minutes but has had consequences
Speaker 2: that will last forever. Joining us today is survivor Kelsey Waghorn. Kelsey,
Speaker 2: we are so grateful for you giving your time to
Speaker 2: us today.
Speaker 3: Hello, No, it's it's pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: What was it like for you watching back that documentary?
Speaker 3: It was a bit weird. Yeah. Every time I see
Speaker 3: or hear something about it, it's always just a bit weird.
Speaker 3: And it's like even the footage, Like I still see
Speaker 3: the footage and there's a big part of me that
Speaker 3: always just goes, there's no way anyone walked off their island,
Speaker 3: and then it's like I did.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what we thought when we watched it.
Speaker 3: It's just really weird, Like even the first time I
Speaker 3: saw any of the footage, it was like, no, there's
Speaker 3: no way that's what happened, Like, how could anyone have
Speaker 3: walked off that? And it's like you walked off that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess It's just one of those things that's just
Speaker 3: so big it's kind of about hard to write. You
Speaker 3: hit around.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about what you
Speaker 2: were doing, because you worked with the tour company that
Speaker 2: was bringing people onto the island. Can you talk through
Speaker 2: what your role was and what it was like on
Speaker 2: the island that day.
Speaker 3: It was just a normal tour, So we would just
Speaker 3: do the toers of the and a crater and it
Speaker 3: was just normal up until the second that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: How long had you been working as a tour guide
Speaker 2: for at this.
Speaker 3: Point five years and one day one day?
Speaker 2: What an anniversary?
Speaker 3: Literally one day too long?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, did you just feel like every day was
Speaker 1: the same every tour you did. I guess after five
Speaker 1: years you get a level of comfort because you've done
Speaker 1: it so many times.
Speaker 2: In safety.
Speaker 1: Was there a part of you that thought nothing's ever
Speaker 1: going to happen to me, like I feel very comfortable
Speaker 1: and very safe doing this, or was there always this
Speaker 1: tiny part in the back of your head that thought,
Speaker 1: this is an active volcano, something could happen one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess a better both. Like I was under
Speaker 3: no allusions as to what their island could do, like
Speaker 3: that was part of the tour. We talked about what
Speaker 3: happens interruptions sort of thing. So I knew what it
Speaker 3: could do, and I knew the likelihood of getting off
Speaker 3: if it did what it did that day was slim
Speaker 3: to none. So yeah, I mean I knew, I knew
Speaker 3: what it could do, but I just never believe that
Speaker 3: it would actually do it the way that it did it,
Speaker 3: I suppose, which maybe is naive or stupid, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I wouldn't have been there obviously if I
Speaker 3: thought that anything bad was going to happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things from watching the documentary
Speaker 2: that was so hard to process was this idea that
Speaker 2: there's different stages of volcano, like there's a dormant volcano,
Speaker 2: a volcano that's active, and then a volcano that's literally erupting.
Speaker 2: It almost felt like as if you are I was like,
Speaker 2: where are the where's the in between stages as to
Speaker 2: what the volcano was doing or was there any indication
Speaker 2: that you know of that things maybe were more active
Speaker 2: or is it? Honestly, I mean, I guess with the volcano,
Speaker 2: it's one of these things where it is so unpredictable
Speaker 2: and you're putting your hands in the mercy of mother nature.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean for me, it's like I know I
Speaker 3: could get in a car crash every time I could
Speaker 3: get in my car, but it doesn't stop me getting
Speaker 3: my car. A reader, you kind of just go, yep,
Speaker 3: I accept that risk because the risk is low. And
Speaker 3: so I mean, for me, that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 3: It's like swimming in the ocean. You know that there's
Speaker 3: with his sharks, or could drown, or you hd caught
Speaker 3: in a rip, like there's so many things that could happen,
Speaker 3: And for me, it was just one of those things
Speaker 3: where it's like I understand the risks. I upset the
Speaker 3: resk because I genuinely don't believe that I'm going to
Speaker 3: be the one that gets caught out by it, but
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess at some point someone has to
Speaker 3: be the one, and unfortunately that was us that day.
Speaker 2: Can you talk me through that day?
Speaker 3: For you?
Speaker 2: A standard day of taking people onto the island and
Speaker 2: showing them what is just the most beautiful thing to view.
Speaker 2: And I think that that was one of the things
Speaker 2: that was so incredible watching it. It is otherworldly being
Speaker 2: on this island. What was that daylight for you? Where
Speaker 2: were you in terms of taking your tour through the island.
Speaker 3: So I've now separated from the guy I was seeing
Speaker 3: at the time, and I'd actually posted a video of
Speaker 3: being on the farm that afternoon. Actually, a lot of
Speaker 3: friends and family didn't think that I was on the island.
Speaker 3: They thought I was out on the farm, and so
Speaker 3: they're like, cool, she's safe. But yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: came in and it was normal day. We loaded the
Speaker 3: boat up, we headed out to the island. We did
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the tour, and then we turned around
Speaker 3: and it was erupting. So there was no solent boom
Speaker 3: or what you kind of think there would be. So
Speaker 3: it just yeah, was kicking off when we realized.
Speaker 1: So you were on the way back, you were almost
Speaker 1: back to the boat when this happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd been to the crater and we were making
Speaker 3: our way back to the wharf.
Speaker 2: And how long?
Speaker 1: Like what was it like when you just said it
Speaker 1: wasn't a typical bang, Like you know, you sit here
Speaker 1: as a viewer or someone that has no experience, and
Speaker 1: you think, okay, when a volcano erupts, it's like the TV.
Speaker 2: It's very cliche. It's like a movie.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you hear this a big eruption
Speaker 1: and then lava paus out and then there's smoke, And
Speaker 1: what was it actually like? And once it started happening,
Speaker 1: when was the moment where you were like, holy moly,
Speaker 1: this is an actual eruption. This is not just a
Speaker 1: bit of smoke a bit of bash, Like this is happening.
Speaker 3: Immediately, I suppose would be the quick answer, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: I actually had my back to it whenever I started realizing,
Speaker 3: because I was just my talk as I always did,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't until be able sort of every all
Speaker 3: at the same time realized what was going on, and
Speaker 3: so we basically hit it for cover straight away, and
Speaker 3: I kind of in my head as we were like
Speaker 3: moving for cover. I remember thinking at the time, I
Speaker 3: just like having this little chuckle in my head because
Speaker 3: it was like this is like I drilled and it
Speaker 3: was just like running along just like having a little
Speaker 3: laugh in my head because I don't know, my brain
Speaker 3: just works in a weird way. Then when we saw
Speaker 3: the paracastic flow, when I saw the paracoystic flow, it
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, well that's us then, because I know
Speaker 3: the likelihood of surviving that is, and so it was
Speaker 3: kind of just like, oh, well that's us, Like I
Speaker 3: don't what else can I do? You can't fight mother
Speaker 3: nature when you're in the middle of it like that.
Speaker 3: So it was just like shitty things to try and
Speaker 3: have to accept in the moment.
Speaker 2: Kelsey, when you say that it's almost unbelievable to think
Speaker 2: that you have this moment in life where you're life
Speaker 2: that's it. I have to accept the fact that I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be here and here you are not
Speaker 2: just I mean you're not just here. You're thriving. And
Speaker 2: one of the things that I loved seeing on the
Speaker 2: documentary is just what an incredibly positive force you are
Speaker 2: off the back end of this. But what's that moment
Speaker 2: like where you go, fuck, like I could die on
Speaker 2: this island. Is there the fight in you to be
Speaker 2: like no, this is not the place and this is
Speaker 2: not how or did you in that moment feel like
Speaker 2: you had to just be relinquished to what happened?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely a kind of matter of just like, well,
Speaker 3: I know scientifically what the odds are of one of
Speaker 3: us getting off, So it was like, well, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was just one of those kind of white flag moments
Speaker 3: where you just kind of accept it. Didn't want to
Speaker 3: accept it obviously, and it was kind of a bit weird,
Speaker 3: but then obviously popped out the other side and it
Speaker 3: was like, okay, now, what we didn't have like lava
Speaker 3: flows or anything like that, which I suppose on one
Speaker 3: sense is good. What was coming out of the island
Speaker 3: was what burnt us. So it was rather than thermal burns,
Speaker 3: it was more or less, I guess all of the
Speaker 3: burns were chemical, so it was kind of like acid
Speaker 3: and alkali burns, which in one sense sounds worse, but
Speaker 3: it actually meant like for me, especially like I literally
Speaker 3: have my uniform burnt in me for life now, So
Speaker 3: like it was just all skin that was exposed got
Speaker 3: burnt for me because I didn't move, I just basically
Speaker 3: fetal positioned and was just like, well, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just exposed skin that got burnt. So that
Speaker 3: was kind of a blessing in a weird kind of
Speaker 3: way because it meant that obviously it saved a lot
Speaker 3: of skin. If it had been thermal burns, then we
Speaker 3: possibly would have been worse off.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about, if anything, the smells and
Speaker 1: the fields and the sight. So I guess for someone
Speaker 1: sitting at home now that hasn't watched it, that's listening,
Speaker 1: what was the order of how things happened? Because we
Speaker 1: do see complete blackness take hold. I can't imagine what
Speaker 1: you were smelling and hearing, how loud it was.
Speaker 3: I don't remember smell. That's probably the one thing I
Speaker 3: don't remember. But then again, I'm so used to the
Speaker 3: island because I've been there. I must have done about
Speaker 3: nine hundred odds. TiO was there, so it's not like
Speaker 3: it was a rat. It wasn't a new smell to me,
Speaker 3: so I don't remember that. And then obviously, like through
Speaker 3: the paraclastic flow. Couldn't see anything because it was just black.
Speaker 3: But I remember hearing everything, and I find now that
Speaker 3: audio is something that will set me off quite easily.
Speaker 3: So there's been a few things that have been like
Speaker 3: sounds that have set me off in the last kind
Speaker 3: of three years. I suppose sound is quite hard. Initially,
Speaker 3: it felt like for me, it was like standing on
Speaker 3: a beach on a really hot day and on a
Speaker 3: really windy hot day, and so it was just like
Speaker 3: you could feel all the like sand and like small
Speaker 3: gravel and like everything like hitting you and bouncing off you,
Speaker 3: and it was just really warm. And I say really warm.
Speaker 3: It was pretty hot. That's the only way I can
Speaker 3: think of to describe it, becau otherwise I don't really
Speaker 3: know how to put that into words. And then obviously
Speaker 3: the burns I'm not even going to dry. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it was I remember everything, unfortunately or fortunately as well,
Speaker 3: because it's like there's no question for me, it's what happened,
Speaker 3: So it's not like I woke up, Oh my dog's
Speaker 3: just bursting.
Speaker 2: That's okay, we're pro dog here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so remember it all, which is good in a
Speaker 3: sense because it means that there's no question, Like I
Speaker 3: woke up from my coma and remembered it all when
Speaker 3: basically recited it all to my family immediately, and they're
Speaker 3: all like, oh, okay, we weren't expecting you'd better remember
Speaker 3: any of that.
Speaker 2: But good not focusing on what happened on the island.
Speaker 2: But I think the really powerful part of this is
Speaker 2: actually how you were all rescued and how you managed
Speaker 2: to get off the island. What was that process for you? Like,
Speaker 2: were you somebody who was taken onto the boat? Were
Speaker 2: you helicoptered out of there once everything had subsided and
Speaker 2: it was then a rescue mission? What were those moments
Speaker 2: like for you?
Speaker 3: Pretty full on. So we walked off the island and
Speaker 3: my group I yeh led off the island and we
Speaker 3: got to the wharf and my colleagues basically came back
Speaker 3: and packed me out because the boat I came out
Speaker 3: and got hit so that was out of water for
Speaker 3: that moment. So my colleagues came and packed us up
Speaker 3: and put us on Phoenix, which is the boat that
Speaker 3: had people are not already who had just left the island.
Speaker 3: So we came home on that. It was the longest
Speaker 3: hour of my life. Yeah, that two minutes felt like
Speaker 3: a really long time, but that hour was just a
Speaker 3: fellow days and it was just like I didn't feel
Speaker 3: like we were doing any close to the mainland. We
Speaker 3: made it back to the shore and we were well,
Speaker 3: my brain set's sort of get a bit patchy here.
Speaker 3: But we got put into ambulances and taken to fucking
Speaker 3: Signi Hospital where they did all our initial triage. I
Speaker 3: suppose think kre trying to get our pain out of
Speaker 3: control and just trying to like triage us to ship
Speaker 3: us off to the burns units around New Zealand, and
Speaker 3: so we got shipped out within I think it was
Speaker 3: within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: The last one was gone on the boat ride home,
Speaker 1: because you just said it was the longest hour of
Speaker 1: your life. But there's a moment in the documentary where
Speaker 1: when you land, you say the ambulance is there, and
Speaker 1: it was triage and it was chaos. Everyone was there,
Speaker 1: But there was a moment where you saw your family members.
Speaker 1: I think it was your mum and your sister, and
Speaker 1: you said, I saw my family there and I didn't
Speaker 1: want them to see me like this. So I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine when you're going through what you're going through
Speaker 1: in the feeling, but you still had enough in you
Speaker 1: to worry about your family. Is this a way that
Speaker 1: you're my body started to cope with the trauma and
Speaker 1: the pain. I guess I'm just so interested in the
Speaker 1: psychology and what was happening in your mind at that time.
Speaker 3: I think the adrenaline well and truly worn off by
Speaker 3: that point, because Yeah, as we got to the wharf,
Speaker 3: like I couldn't see the group behind me, and I
Speaker 3: was adamant that I was going to go back and
Speaker 3: find my friend Hayden, who was leading the other group.
Speaker 3: So I was going to go back, but the adrenaline wore
Speaker 3: off pretty quickly and there was no way that I
Speaker 3: could go back. Then at the wharf, as we pulled
Speaker 3: into all the help, Yeah, I just remember seeing my
Speaker 3: mum and my sister and I was like looking at
Speaker 3: my hands and I'm like, no, they don't need to
Speaker 3: see this. Like this was pretty grim. And so I
Speaker 3: said to one of the crew that was working on
Speaker 3: the BI I just said, I need to get off
Speaker 3: this boat, and she's just like, yeah, just give us
Speaker 3: a minute. And I was like no, no, I'm out
Speaker 3: of here, mate, And I just like stood up and
Speaker 3: I couldn't straighten my legs. I was kind of like
Speaker 3: quasi moto, just like oh, lamb it off the boat
Speaker 3: like some sort of like yeah, it was a bit
Speaker 3: of a mess. I went to the front of the
Speaker 3: boat because they were sort of towards the back of
Speaker 3: the boat, and I was just like, I'm not going
Speaker 3: that way. And so I actually ended up having to
Speaker 3: be lifted off the front of the boat by this
Speaker 3: crew and her dad and try not to like scream
Speaker 3: as they like pushed me up. And then it was
Speaker 3: just like hobbled over to an ambulance and she helped
Speaker 3: me get into an ambulance, and yeah, then things get
Speaker 3: a bit messy for me there, because yeah, we had
Speaker 3: a couple of paramedics come out and made us on
Speaker 3: the boat, and so I think I had stuff shoved
Speaker 3: up my nose for the pain, and so she obviously
Speaker 3: gave me so much that my brain sort of like
Speaker 3: got a bit fuzzy there.
Speaker 2: Do you know at this point, I mean, I know
Speaker 2: it's not something that you would have found out until later,
Speaker 2: but what percentage burns to your body? Did you experience.
Speaker 3: Forty five percent full thickness burned to my body. So
Speaker 3: it was pretty much from my shorts line to my
Speaker 3: boot line, fingertips to t shirt line, my lower background
Speaker 3: onto my stomach got burnt because when I was crashed out,
Speaker 3: my shirt must have rolled up and so you exposed
Speaker 3: all my lower back and then I do kind of
Speaker 3: have a little bit of like burns on my neck
Speaker 3: and face and everything. But yeah, I've got like fairly
Speaker 3: lumpy legs, now fairly lumpy limbs because there's like bits
Speaker 3: of muscle that had to be cut out and stuffy
Speaker 3: that because as it was acid, it just kept burning
Speaker 3: until it was removed. Even though we came back on
Speaker 3: the boat and we were getting dust with water, it
Speaker 3: wasn't constant water like you know, when you get a
Speaker 3: chemical burn, you're supposed to like flush it for twenty
Speaker 3: minutes straight. Like we didn't get that because they didn't
Speaker 3: have the capacity of to do that on the boat,
Speaker 3: which I mean, that's not their fault, that's just the
Speaker 3: way it was. Basically, we got to hospital and I've
Speaker 3: heard I don't know if it was true or not,
Speaker 3: but I've heard a lot of stories, but one of
Speaker 3: them was that they debrided us. So basically cleared off
Speaker 3: all the burnt material and then we'll go back the
Speaker 3: next day to check how we were doing. And it
Speaker 3: was like it was still burning and so that it
Speaker 3: wasn't until they realized what had actually burnt us, that
Speaker 3: it wasn't therm or it was chemical, that they actually like,
Speaker 3: oh okay, we need to remove more. So they went
Speaker 3: a bit deeper and yeah, so missing a bit of
Speaker 3: muscle and all sorts of other tissue.
Speaker 2: Kelsey, you said something just before, and I wonder if
Speaker 2: because it was your job as being a tour guide,
Speaker 2: did you feel a sense of responsibility, like for the
Speaker 2: people that you were on tour with. And I don't
Speaker 2: mean a responsibility as though you're responsible for what happened.
Speaker 2: I made a responsibility for trying to help, and you
Speaker 2: know when you're in a situation where you need to
Speaker 2: be helped. But you mentioned that you were thinking you
Speaker 2: wanted to go back and find your friend Hayden. Was
Speaker 2: this something that you think came as part of the
Speaker 2: fact that you were a tour guide or was it
Speaker 2: simply that you had these beautiful connections and friendships with
Speaker 2: people who were also on the island that were experiencing
Speaker 2: the same thing you're experiencing.
Speaker 3: I guess both. And for me, obviously, I didn't really
Speaker 3: understand that really what had happened, I suppose until like
Speaker 3: a few months later, because it was kind of like
Speaker 3: for me, it was like, well, if we survived, everyone survived.
Speaker 3: So it took a long time before I actually realized
Speaker 3: that this wasn't the case. And a lot of that
Speaker 3: was actually due to the fact I was on so
Speaker 3: much medication. It was basically would have been like fifty
Speaker 3: first dates. I would have had to have been told
Speaker 3: every single day because I just would have forgotten. So
Speaker 3: the choice was made to basically keep that from me
Speaker 3: until I was on lower dose of medication and could
Speaker 3: hold a thought. So I didn't find out about the
Speaker 3: kind of severity of it all until weeks after.
Speaker 2: Did Hayden make it through?
Speaker 3: No? No, so Hayden. Yeah, Hayden didn't make it off
Speaker 3: the island, and he is one of the two that actually, yeah,
Speaker 3: never came home.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, Kelsey. Yeah, it's so incredible that you're
Speaker 2: here to tell your story, But then there is such
Speaker 2: a side of your story that is there was so
Speaker 2: much loss. There are so many people on the island
Speaker 2: who didn't make at home, and yeah, you know, even
Speaker 2: in watching the documentary, there are people whose whole families
Speaker 2: who were on that island, and you know you almost
Speaker 2: kind of think like, well, why did I survive and
Speaker 2: somebody else wasn't able to? How was your recovery once
Speaker 2: you got to a point where you came out of
Speaker 2: your coma where you understood the magnitude of what happened
Speaker 2: not just to you, but to the people who were
Speaker 2: on the island who were your friends, and to the
Speaker 2: people who are on the island as customers wanting to
Speaker 2: experience the world. How was your recovery after that point?
Speaker 3: It was pretty rough, Like it was pretty horrible to hear, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what had actually happened and unfolded after we lived? Because yeah,
Speaker 3: I kind of, just, like I said, assumed that because
Speaker 3: we'd survived, everyone had I been. That made sense to me.
Speaker 3: It was like, well, we weren't supposed to anyway, so
Speaker 3: if we have, they have, so Yeah. Once I kind
Speaker 3: of found out, it was a pretty hard pell swallow.
Speaker 3: And I was banned from watching the TV in my
Speaker 3: hospital room because it was just all over the news,
Speaker 3: Like in New Zealand, I think it was on the
Speaker 3: news for like pretty much three months straight. It was
Speaker 3: just in every single headline, and because it was really
Speaker 3: early days, especially only three weeks after, there was still
Speaker 3: a lot of false information coming out as well about
Speaker 3: what had happened, and yeah, allus of stuff like there's
Speaker 3: things that I've read and it just yeah, it just
Speaker 3: makes my blood boiled. But it was pretty rough to
Speaker 3: find that out and then be like, well, why am
Speaker 3: I still here? That doesn't make any sense of all
Speaker 3: the people to make it off, like Hayden trained me like,
Speaker 3: so to me, that was a very hard pell to swallow.
Speaker 3: So even now, like I have said, I still say,
Speaker 3: I still expect to get a text from him sometimes
Speaker 3: because I wasn't here for that whole blo. I wasn't
Speaker 3: home for three months. I was kind of removed from
Speaker 3: all of that. So I wasn't here for his memorial.
Speaker 3: I wasn't here when they were trying to find his body.
Speaker 3: So for me, that hasn't had So there's kind of
Speaker 3: like this weird gap where like, I know what's real.
Speaker 3: I know that he didn't make it off, but then
Speaker 3: there's like this weird gap where it's like, but I
Speaker 3: didn't go to his funeral, and I didn't hear all
Speaker 3: this stuff. It's just as far as I'm concerned or hearsay,
Speaker 3: So there's kind of a bit of distance there where
Speaker 3: it kind of just doesn't feel real. I mean, the
Speaker 3: whole thing is a bit in that category really, because
Speaker 3: it's just so wild.
Speaker 2: It's almost like beyond human comprehension, you know, And I think,
Speaker 2: like so much we talk about the physical side of it,
Speaker 2: like we can talk about the physical side of your recovery,
Speaker 2: or we can talk about the physical side of the
Speaker 2: impact and the trauma and the burns, But there's the
Speaker 2: whole other side of this, which is like the mental healing,
Speaker 2: Like how do you go through an experience like this
Speaker 2: and still remain positive on the other side of it.
Speaker 3: I Mean, I've said quite a bit over the last
Speaker 3: especially the last year, like I would much rather be
Speaker 3: burned again than have PTSD, Like it's just horrific. Like
Speaker 3: I thought the physical stuff when I was in hospital
Speaker 3: was the worst that could ever get because it was
Speaker 3: pretty pretty horrible because I had to relearn how to
Speaker 3: use my arms my hands, and relearn how to walk
Speaker 3: and even just like teach my body how to stand
Speaker 3: up again or sit up again and like you had
Speaker 3: my blood pressure stable and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 3: didn't ever think that I would be saying that I
Speaker 3: would rather go through all that again than have PTSD.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like it's just the mental side is so
Speaker 3: much harder than the physical side, the physical sides of
Speaker 3: walking the park being to the mental side, and there's
Speaker 3: such a stigma around all the mental side of it
Speaker 3: as well, where it's just like people can't see it
Speaker 3: and they don't understand it. And admittedly I didn't understand
Speaker 3: it up until recently either, because it took a long
Speaker 3: time to find the help that I actually needed and
Speaker 3: the help that actually worked for me. So it took
Speaker 3: me two and a half years to actually find that help.
Speaker 2: What did that help look like?
Speaker 3: So I had to change psychologists to someone who was
Speaker 3: actually far more better equipped to deal with PTSD. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I had to change that in the middle of last
Speaker 3: year because I just needed their extra help. Like I've
Speaker 3: tried hypnotherapy, I've tried EMD, god, you name it, I've
Speaker 3: probably tried it. I ended up getting in touch with
Speaker 3: a she's like a trauma focused well being coach, which
Speaker 3: sounded very airy fairy, but last year was really rough
Speaker 3: for me, and it was like, I'll bloody try anything
Speaker 3: at this point, Like give me a lobotomy, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: You're like, I will be an experiment taken out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like desperate times, desperate missious. So she's
Speaker 3: probably been the biggest turning point for me, and yeah,
Speaker 3: getting my shit together and trying to deal with everything.
Speaker 2: How did the PTSD present itself for you? Like what
Speaker 2: were you managing with?
Speaker 3: Oh? I was blessed with all the symptoms, so if
Speaker 3: you google it, it's like you name it. I had
Speaker 3: a hypervigilance, Like I was just always on the edge.
Speaker 3: I was always prepared for something to go wrong. Anger.
Speaker 3: I really struggled with my anger, especially last year. It
Speaker 3: just really rammed up a notch for the first six months. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it was pretty grim. And then just like I
Speaker 3: just cried at the drop of her hat over something
Speaker 3: really not worthy crying of.
Speaker 1: When you say hypervigilance, that you were always thinking something
Speaker 1: was gonna go wrong, do you mean literally day to day,
Speaker 1: Like you didn't want to get in a car because
Speaker 1: you thought they'd be a crash, or you didn't want
Speaker 1: to fly somewhere because you thought the plane would like
Speaker 1: what does a hyper vigilance on a day to day
Speaker 1: look like?
Speaker 3: For me? It was like I would always sit where
Speaker 3: I could see the door, so it was like I'd
Speaker 3: have to know my way out, and it was like
Speaker 3: people walking towards me, It's like, are they going to
Speaker 3: attack me? I couldn't walk with anyone behind me, And
Speaker 3: it was just fear, just so much fear and just
Speaker 3: terrified of everything, and like it's so hard to just
Speaker 3: live a normal life like that, Like you don't have
Speaker 3: a normal life with that. It's so hard. And like
Speaker 3: even though people were like, know what you've been through,
Speaker 3: no one actually knows really what I've been through. And
Speaker 3: like even with my family and friends, I haven't described
Speaker 3: everything to them because it's like it traumatizes it, Like
Speaker 3: I don't want to traumatize you, and like I know
Speaker 3: how much it's traumatized me, And like it's only been
Speaker 3: in the last seven months that I've actually understood what's
Speaker 3: actually been going on in my brain and why it's
Speaker 3: happening in the way that it's happening. The new site
Speaker 3: that I have and this well being coach that I have,
Speaker 3: both of them right back to basics, this is why
Speaker 3: havings with PTSD, this is why everything coming up. So
Speaker 3: your fear, your hypervigilance, your anger, that's all just the symptom.
Speaker 3: It's not the cause, it's not what's the problem. So
Speaker 3: it's going back and stripping back the layers to actually
Speaker 3: figure out what's setting that off in that situation. And
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, there's your work, and it's just like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that makes so much sense. And even that,
Speaker 3: it's like it just feels like you're not stabbing around
Speaker 3: in the dark just trying to like get anything. So
Speaker 3: even just the understanding and their knowledge is just massive.
Speaker 3: It's such a big, big feeling to actually know what's
Speaker 3: going on in your own brain. Then you've got the
Speaker 3: whole recovery on top of it, Like burns recovery is
Speaker 3: just horrible. So I actually have people like reach out
Speaker 3: to me over like Instagram and stuff being like, oh, look,
Speaker 3: I have burns five, ten, twenty years ago. Just know
Speaker 3: that everything you're going through is normal and like you're
Speaker 3: going to have all these feelings and like these weird
Speaker 3: things are going to happen and weird feelings in your body,
Speaker 3: which is massive. That was huge, like for my physical
Speaker 3: recovery or that was massive, but then the mental recovery.
Speaker 3: It's like no one talks about PTSD. No one has
Speaker 3: the same PTSD, like no one's brain has triggered in
Speaker 3: the same way, and so it's just like all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, your family doesn't know what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my now ex didn't know what was going on. I've
Speaker 3: lost friends, I've lost my partner, and I've just like
Speaker 3: lost all the stuff because of it because it just
Speaker 3: got too big, too heavy, and I tried all these
Speaker 3: things and none of them were working. People just can't
Speaker 3: handle it. And it's like fair enough because I want
Speaker 3: to walk away. I want to check out because I'm
Speaker 3: done with this. And it's like but I can't walk
Speaker 3: away from it. I'm just sick of healing and trying
Speaker 3: to recover and just like trying to explain this to
Speaker 3: people and just having no one get it and no
Speaker 3: one understands, no one can help, and it's just like
Speaker 3: this just sucks. Unfortunately, it took a break up with
Speaker 3: the partner last year that they basically just go, Okay,
Speaker 3: you have to find something. There's got to be something,
Speaker 3: And yeah, thankfully changed my sight found this well being coach,
Speaker 3: and thankfully it's working for me.
Speaker 2: In terms of where you're at now, I mean seven
Speaker 2: months of rehabilitation, that seems to be rehabilitation that's working
Speaker 2: for you. And this also goes to show like that
Speaker 2: if you are in the healthcare system, if you are
Speaker 2: receiving care and it's not working, like changing is so
Speaker 2: important and getting second opinions, and you know, advocating your
Speaker 2: own not just your physical health, but your mental health
Speaker 2: is so important because nobody else knows and understands you
Speaker 2: as well as you know and understand yourself. I hate
Speaker 2: to make you talk about when you're at your darkest days,
Speaker 2: but do you think you're now at a point where
Speaker 2: you can see the light?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do. I've made some really good friends, Like
Speaker 3: we just became best mates at pretty much overnight. It
Speaker 3: was just the weirdest thing, but most brilliant thing. They
Speaker 3: get it. They totally get it, and they don't judge
Speaker 3: me for it, and they just accept me totally as is.
Speaker 3: They don't make me feel bad when I have a
Speaker 3: blow up or something's going on, and they're just like, look,
Speaker 3: it's fine, like of course this is happening, and They're
Speaker 3: just like so understanding and like that's massive for them.
Speaker 3: I know it's a lot of work, like should it's
Speaker 3: a lot of work for me, but I kind of
Speaker 3: know what's going on now. So their understanding and that
Speaker 3: patience is just massive in those friends, and I'm so
Speaker 3: grateful for them. And then the help that I'm getting
Speaker 3: is just so good and it's finally just making me
Speaker 3: feel like I'm not insane. Yeah. No, I'm probably in
Speaker 3: the best place mentally that I've possibly ever been. It's
Speaker 3: so nice to feel.
Speaker 2: Which is so nice to hear when you say that.
Speaker 2: Do you mean pre the accident as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been a hell of a long
Speaker 3: road to get here, and it's been a hell of
Speaker 3: a lot of work, like blood sweat in tears literally,
Speaker 3: but yeah, like I just feel calmer. I just feel clearer,
Speaker 3: basically all the good.
Speaker 2: Shit, Kelsey, what's your relationship Like, I mean, obviously, experiencing
Speaker 2: physical burns that changes your body. You spoke about the operations,
Speaker 2: you spoke about having pieces of your calves removed and
Speaker 2: the physical burns that you have. How does that change
Speaker 2: your relationship with your body?
Speaker 3: It took a couple of bunths a meter. I guess
Speaker 3: totally accept what my new normal was. But then again
Speaker 3: that normal and hospital is totally different now because when
Speaker 3: I first saw my arms and my hands, which is
Speaker 3: the parts first after grafting, it looked like they put
Speaker 3: like the Walking Dead's arms on to me. And it
Speaker 3: was just like, what are those? What have you done
Speaker 3: to my arms? They were black, and they were just
Speaker 3: like so swollen, and my nails were all like not good,
Speaker 3: and I was so so gross, like it was just
Speaker 3: like so fig and like they were hyper sensitive as well,
Speaker 3: and I had to have all this like moisturizer pumped
Speaker 3: onto me many times a day. I remember one day
Speaker 3: in particular, my family was doing my arms and my
Speaker 3: legs at the same time because my nerves had all
Speaker 3: been obviously fried. It was just information overload and I
Speaker 3: just panicked and I was just like, get off me,
Speaker 3: stop touching meatlus like one at a time, don't touch me.
Speaker 3: And so it was a lot to sort of taken
Speaker 3: that way. When I finally actually looked at my arms,
Speaker 3: finally started accepting those because I was like, well, it's
Speaker 3: stuck to my body, so I'm kind of stuck with them,
Speaker 3: and I better get used to them. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I just like wait untill my family left the room,
Speaker 3: and they just stare at them and like wig all
Speaker 3: my fingers a little bit and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: they're mine. And then when I saw my legs, I
Speaker 3: just burst into tears because I don't I can't remember
Speaker 3: my legs being sore or feeling them burning or anything.
Speaker 3: I just I don't remember my legs. I just remember
Speaker 3: my arms in my hands. And then I saw my
Speaker 3: legs and it was just like black and purple salami.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, oh, not again. And so
Speaker 3: I had to like learn to I live with that.
Speaker 3: And then once I started walking again, every time i'd
Speaker 3: stand up because my body was used to being horizontal,
Speaker 3: because I've been horizontal for six weeks by this point,
Speaker 3: I'd stand up and my blood would all just pull
Speaker 3: and my feet in my hands, and so it took
Speaker 3: a few months for that to sort of stopped happening.
Speaker 3: And then even then, I remember faces from the island
Speaker 3: as well, and I remember thinking, oh my god, like
Speaker 3: my face mustle quite that as well. So for months
Speaker 3: I wouldn't look at my face and I hadn't seen
Speaker 3: my reflection. Probably before it must have been the second
Speaker 3: to last week of January in twenty twenty. I had
Speaker 3: just started learning how to walk, and I was having
Speaker 3: my little lunch break where it was like two hours
Speaker 3: where I could just have a sleep, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, I need to see my face and I
Speaker 3: want to do it alone. And so I was really bad.
Speaker 3: I got out of bed and I was still like
Speaker 3: leading assistance, but I'm out of here. I need to
Speaker 3: see my face and I want to do it alone.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to do this on my own. And
Speaker 3: everyone was like, oh, bring a mirror, and I said,
Speaker 3: don't you bloody deare and because people were coming and
Speaker 3: they'd be like, your face looks really good. Your face
Speaker 3: looks really really good. And I was like, what is
Speaker 3: wrong with my face? Like everyone keept mentioning my face
Speaker 3: and it was just like what's happened to it? And
Speaker 3: so I basically slithered out of bed and t Rex
Speaker 3: walked over to the bathroom and managed to open the door.
Speaker 3: And I walked into the bathroom and I looked at
Speaker 3: my face and it was like oh, and then I
Speaker 3: actually went back to bed. Yeah. I was just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: that's disappointing, I suppose, well, not disappointed. I was like
Speaker 3: quite pleased, but it was just like I was so
Speaker 3: underwhelming for what I've been building up in my head. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just like, oh, I still look like me,
Speaker 3: that's okay. Once I sort of started getting back on Instagram,
Speaker 3: so many people message me and they'd be like, why
Speaker 3: is your face not burnt? Why's your face not burnt?
Speaker 1: And it was like sorry people wrote that, Oh.
Speaker 3: I've had some weird shits into me. It was so weird.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I hate social media, Like, who in their right
Speaker 1: mind would think that that is okay to message somebody
Speaker 1: at any stage of life, but someone that's going through
Speaker 1: what you've just gone through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so weird. Like, thankfully I've just seen
Speaker 3: the funny side. And like that's been just one of
Speaker 3: many really weird messages that I've screenshotted and send to
Speaker 3: my friends and I'm like, look another one, and they're like, what,
Speaker 3: at least you can.
Speaker 1: Laugh about it, though, But it's lucky that you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'm lucky that I'm in a place where
Speaker 3: I just find all those messages. Yeah, quite funny and
Speaker 3: like even since, like the documentary came out, obviously it's
Speaker 3: been a bit of an influx on the old Instagram
Speaker 3: and some of those message like some of them are
Speaker 3: just like lost in translation. It's like, I know what
Speaker 3: you're trying to say, but that's not what it's come
Speaker 3: across as. And then some of them you're just like
Speaker 3: what is going through your head? Like someone said, of
Speaker 3: all the people, you're my favorite survivor, and it was like,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: This is not a reality TV show. But also I
Speaker 2: think this is the issue on one side of the
Speaker 2: coin with documentaries. It's amazing that we're able to see
Speaker 2: and understand what happened and understand the magnitude, and I
Speaker 2: think that that gives some people, even maybe people in
Speaker 2: your own life, clarity around something that you experienced. But
Speaker 2: it also I say this because you know, we have
Speaker 2: spoken to many people who have been parts of documentaries
Speaker 2: but almost characterizes what happened as well. It's like you
Speaker 2: are one of many people who are telling their version
Speaker 2: of the story, and people watch it and they sometimes
Speaker 2: forget that you're a real person, that you're not that
Speaker 2: person who is just on the documentary, and that even
Speaker 2: speaking to today, you know that Kelsey on the documentary
Speaker 2: is and know that that is a part of who
Speaker 2: you are. This like very recovered in a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: very positive, has this bright outlook on what has happened, whereas,
Speaker 2: like you know, having a more in depth conversation with you,
Speaker 2: there is way more color as to how this has
Speaker 2: deeply changed you as a person and how this will
Speaker 2: forever be part of your story. One question that I
Speaker 2: have for you, I don't want this to be taken
Speaker 2: the wrong way because I don't think that you can
Speaker 2: ever be grateful for a situation like that happening. But
Speaker 2: do you feel as a survivor, do you feel grateful?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like there's a lot of stuff that
Speaker 3: I have in my life now, People that I wouldn't
Speaker 3: try the world in my life now they have only
Speaker 3: come about and I've only met because of what happened.
Speaker 3: So in that sense, yeah, I'm grateful that my wildlife
Speaker 3: has brought me the people that I have in my
Speaker 3: life now because I can't imagine life without them, and unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I don't know if favor would have met them if
Speaker 3: this hadn't happened. I'm definitely grateful to be alive for.
Speaker 1: Anyone going through anything, Kelsey, that like, what you've been
Speaker 1: through is just horrific, but you've come out the other side.
Speaker 1: For anyone going through any sort of really hard time
Speaker 1: in their life, dark time, trauma, what do you.
Speaker 2: Want to say to them?
Speaker 1: Is someone that has been you know, the lowest of
Speaker 1: lows and you are where you are now, which is
Speaker 1: just like a bright shining light.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, all the things I can think of a like
Speaker 3: horrible cliche.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love a horrible cliche life.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that's true. Like that's why they're cliches. So like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope one the other day and it
Speaker 3: was like, if you're going through how why would you
Speaker 3: stop there? Like you got to get out of it,
Speaker 3: so keep going. So it's like, yeah, that makes sense,
Speaker 3: but yeah, you just you just can't go up, Like
Speaker 3: you just have to keep hunting for the thing that
Speaker 3: works for you. Like it took me. Took me two
Speaker 3: and a half years to find the thing that worked
Speaker 3: for me, unfortunately, and even then I had the thing
Speaker 3: that was helping me, and it was the early stages
Speaker 3: and it still didn't feel like it was enough, and
Speaker 3: I still wanted to give up then. But I mean
Speaker 3: you just have to lean on your people and have
Speaker 3: a good trust circle. I suppose, and I mean that's
Speaker 3: where you can do. Just don't give up, just keep
Speaker 3: trying as shit as it is.
Speaker 2: Kelsey, thank you so much for giving us your time,
Speaker 2: for telling us your story, for sharing so openly. We
Speaker 2: are so grateful for you coming and being part of
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh he is so welcome. Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, you know that we never finished an
Speaker 2: episode with our suck and our suite, our highlight and
Speaker 2: our low light of each and every week. Brittany, what
Speaker 2: is your psaki duck duck?
Speaker 1: My psaki ducky duck is of Delilah. Delilah cut her
Speaker 1: paws open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she hasn't walked. She hasn't been on a
Speaker 2: walk for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Must have been on a rock or an oyster or something,
Speaker 1: and it's I've checked it out.
Speaker 2: She went to the bed.
Speaker 1: She's fine, but she can't walk anywhere. She's like Buster
Speaker 1: with three legs.
Speaker 2: She's just like whole fun. Sorry, she's like Buster.
Speaker 1: Just hold the poor up.
Speaker 2: It's just been like this for eight and a half years,
Speaker 2: so he's pretty well versed. I feel like for dogs,
Speaker 2: who have four legs. It's a bit of a bother
Speaker 2: it is. It's fine, it's healed fine, But that's just
Speaker 2: my sucking. It's like a kid. You don't want to
Speaker 2: see your dog.
Speaker 1: Or you're an animal, or your child in any any
Speaker 1: sort of pain. So like when I knew her little
Speaker 1: poor wassaurs, Yeah, I thought you were.
Speaker 2: Going to say that like she had cut it and
Speaker 2: then there was just like carnage through the house. But
Speaker 2: just in general, I'm oh, that sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, My sweet for the week would have to be
Speaker 1: that I have in your nephew. So little bear Anthony
Speaker 1: Hockley entered.
Speaker 2: The well, Yah and Rah.
Speaker 1: He came out being like rah, and he's absolutely durable
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to meet him.
Speaker 2: And it's nice to add to the family. Oh what
Speaker 2: about you? It was nice to add to the family.
Speaker 2: I ain't doing no adding. Okay, well, I'm when we're
Speaker 2: not recording this, want to see photos because now that
Speaker 2: I have my own children, I'm sick for other people's
Speaker 2: children and that's just kind of what happens. Okay, So
Speaker 2: my suck for the week is that I have This
Speaker 2: is going to sound so dumb because I'm a big
Speaker 2: loser that gets allergies. But I have the most raging
Speaker 2: MSG allergy at the moment. If anybody is allergic to MSG,
Speaker 2: you will know what this is like. It is fucked
Speaker 2: I have. I have like proper. I get like I
Speaker 2: can't read, I can't see, I can't think. My body hurts.
Speaker 2: It's just like the weirdest side effect to MSG. And
Speaker 2: it's not like a normal Oh we get rashes. I
Speaker 2: get like this full body fog that happens that next
Speaker 2: time hungover and I can't record MSG. I had tie
Speaker 2: last night. It kind of feels like that, kind of
Speaker 2: feels like a big dirty hangover, except everything inside your
Speaker 2: body feels like it's foreign to you. Like my body
Speaker 2: inside feels itchy. I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 2: But I don't get it as bad as I used to.
Speaker 2: I used to get full line of fluxus. So if
Speaker 2: I keel over in the record, you will know. I
Speaker 2: can't make is in my bag. I want to because
Speaker 2: you're attracted to people who look like me. And my
Speaker 2: sweet for the week is just that we went to
Speaker 2: Hamilton Island. It was phenomenal. We had such a beautiful time,
Speaker 2: like as a parent of a three year old and
Speaker 2: a now two year old. I love that we get
Speaker 2: to do these really awesome things with the girls. And
Speaker 2: I think for a while there we kind of like
Speaker 2: tossed it up and we were like, well, will the
Speaker 2: kids be old enough to remember it, or to enjoy it,
Speaker 2: or to even have fun on these experiences. We took
Speaker 2: Mali snorkeling for the very first time, and she was like,
Speaker 2: she wasn't petrified, but she didn't want to put the
Speaker 2: goggle in the mask on. It took her like a
Speaker 2: lot of encouraging because it was the very first time. Obviously,
Speaker 2: they can't breathe through their nose, they got to breathe
Speaker 2: through their mouth. It was a big process of trying
Speaker 2: to like build up her confidence to snorkel. But she
Speaker 2: put the mask on and I put my mask on
Speaker 2: at the same time, and I was like, just put
Speaker 2: your face in the water. Just dick it in the
Speaker 2: water for two seconds and get used to it. And
Speaker 2: finally she got the courage up and she did it,
Speaker 2: and she stuck a face in the water, and just
Speaker 2: as she did it, a turtle swam past. So that
Speaker 2: was the one and only time she put her face
Speaker 2: in the water and she saw a huge It was
Speaker 2: like incredible. No one else on the boat saw a
Speaker 2: turtle except for Malee because she was like sitting on
Speaker 2: the little jetty part and then she saw a turtle.
Speaker 2: So like, we had a beautiful time. It was an
Speaker 2: amazing couple of days. Now I'm back of work. Well,
Speaker 2: now I want to go to Hamilton on maybe we
Speaker 2: need to do a work trip for very important Yeah,
Speaker 2: work trips in one yeah, by the pool having panicolatas.
Speaker 2: And that is it from us, guys. We hope that
Speaker 2: you enjoyed the episode. We know that the chat with
Speaker 2: Kelsey was a really big and I mean it was
Speaker 2: a heavy one, but we watched the documentary and just
Speaker 2: thought it was so incredibly phenomenally done, incredible story that
Speaker 2: we really wanted to share it with you, and we
Speaker 2: hope that you guys enjoyed the chat, enjoyed the episode.
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