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Speaker 1: Ash.

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Speaker 2: Today is a very very good day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Matt, we have a bonus episode and today's bonus

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Speaker 3: episode is with former NRL player and Fox commentator Braith

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Speaker 3: a NaSTA.

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Speaker 4: You can catch him currently.

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Speaker 3: Sunday Afternoon Footy along with NRL three sixty all on

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Speaker 3: Fox League.

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Speaker 5: And this story is one that we haven't actually told

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Speaker 5: on the podcast before because Braith is a single parent.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's very open about the challenges he has navigating

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Speaker 3: two kids. He shares with two separate relationships.

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Speaker 5: His dad to ten year old Aaliyah, and also he

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Speaker 5: has Gigi who is seven, So amongst that plus work,

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Speaker 5: he is juggling a hell of a lot.

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Speaker 3: We also want to give your heads up. Braith shares

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Speaker 3: his experience of losing his father to suicide when he

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Speaker 3: was just fifteen. It's a deeply moving part of his story.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, his father's influence continues to shape how both parents

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Speaker 5: his own kids today. I do want to say that

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Speaker 5: whilst we do talk about the topic of suicide, if

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Speaker 5: you are struggling or you need any help, please reach

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Speaker 5: out to Lifeline on one three eleven one four. They

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Speaker 5: are open twenty four hours. We'll also put some more

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Speaker 5: details in the show notes.

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Speaker 6: Shall we get into it, Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to three doting dads.

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Speaker 1: I'm Maddie, Jay, I'm Ash, and I'm Breath and Asta.

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Speaker 2: This is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good,

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 4: The bad and the relatable.

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Speaker 5: And if you've come wanting any type of advice, don't

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Speaker 5: do it. Not from us. Well maybe maybe from Braith,

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Speaker 5: maybe some unintentional advice.

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Speaker 3: We always we always preface the show saying we don't

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Speaker 3: give advice so we don't get in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we have been talking to Breath for a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes. Wise Man Wise, Wise Man Ash and I.

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Speaker 5: Just sitting here just absorbing the knowledge that experience feeling

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Speaker 5: out of break right now.

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Speaker 4: There's these dad hierarchy too.

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Speaker 3: It's like the older you kid, okay, the higher up

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Speaker 3: you sit on the chain that I'm pretty like that.

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Speaker 1: I've compared to you guys. I'm six and ten.

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Speaker 2: Six and ten, so you're yeah, you're your top of

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Speaker 2: the food chain.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking down at you.

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Speaker 4: We've got five year olds and three and two trenches.

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Speaker 1: You are in the trenches. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Does it get easier?

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Speaker 1: It gets a little easier.

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Speaker 7: It depends like I had My youngest wasn't youngest was

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Speaker 7: a poor sleeper, like debilitating, like just getting sleep. We

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Speaker 7: tried everything for it, and that that really is the killer.

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Speaker 7: The rest I feel like you can deal with. But

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Speaker 7: I'm getting to the point now where my tour I'm

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Speaker 7: worried about the teens.

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Speaker 1: Two girls. Oh man, you got it.

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Speaker 5: Actually, before we get into before we end, if we

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Speaker 5: go back to when you were a youngster born in Sydney,

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Speaker 5: grew up in Malabar, what was it like back then?

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Speaker 7: It was awesome because I lived in Mali, which was

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not far.

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Speaker 7: It's fifteen minutes from here and probably twenty minutes from

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Speaker 7: in the jail actually so next to a long bay jail.

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Speaker 7: But if they stay inside, the film used to break out.

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Speaker 1: But that's another story.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Like there's times where the siren goes off and

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Speaker 7: literally it's two hundred made us from Like we're in

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Speaker 7: a beautiful place, but you're under made us from the

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Speaker 7: biggest jailing the country and you see coppers running around

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Speaker 7: so you can see the coppers going on the golf

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Speaker 7: all I'm on the back and we're just.

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Speaker 7: And we had a little alleyway next to us from

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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with Witness twelve. And they end up

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Speaker 5: But did your parents have to say to you, like

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Speaker 1: Exciting, Yeah, pretty exciting anyway.

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Speaker 2: Who who introduced it a sport? Was it your brother?

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Speaker 7: I was I was born in a sporting family really

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Speaker 7: because my uncle was George Piggins and George he was

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Speaker 7: Oz played for Souse. He's the hero really, so it

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Speaker 7: I was born with a foot in my hand, and

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Speaker 1: Which is good.

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Speaker 2: So was it league league?

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Speaker 1: For league?

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Speaker 7: then played rugby union for Couldie and then round we

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Speaker 7: for Eastern Cricket of all trade.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a bit of everything.

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Speaker 5: I got to ask as a youngster, I would have

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Speaker 5: loved to play professional sport.

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Speaker 2: The problem was I.

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Speaker 1: Was a bit ship. It doesn't help.

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Speaker 5: The best I really do was scrape into like an

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Speaker 5: a team and that I'd be like, what sport did

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Speaker 5: I try my hand hoping I would like find one sport.

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Speaker 2: Even did the walk.

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Speaker 3: You're a power walker, just to be like, maybe that's

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Speaker 3: the you should see you should see his power?

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Speaker 1: Do it. We did it. The cricket.

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Speaker 4: That's what we did, like a day of the.

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Speaker 3: Were like dressed in full dad gear and were like

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Speaker 1: The blokes would have loved that, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The problem was I was actually pretty good at it

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Speaker 1: But we went off track. You're actually good, but I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, no one, no one wants to. I would

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Speaker 5: Was it a case of you're very good at anything

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Speaker 7: I don't want to your horn. Man, this is the time.

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Speaker 7: I was very lucky. Like I don't want to sound

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Speaker 8: You, it sounds like you're a professional athletic, professional athlete, breath,

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Speaker 8: you're allowed to tell people that you were gifted.

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Speaker 1: I was lucky. I was.

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Speaker 7: I think my parents for that. But yeah, I was

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Speaker 7: like I just whatever. I played there for a while,

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Speaker 5: And your Greek heritage was that something that was celebrated

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Speaker 7: My dad was proud Greek, full Greek, and he spoke

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Speaker 7: fluent Greek. But he was like an I was right,

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Speaker 7: but he spoke fluent, very proud of his heritage. He'd

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Speaker 7: singing a dinner that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: What do you sing it?

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Speaker 7: He a family tradition before we eat kids. He's a

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Speaker 7: his take. But yeah, so and and I'm still close

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Speaker 7: to my Greek family. I didn't get the chance to

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Speaker 7: I have been there, but no, you know, I wish

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Speaker 1: That's one of my big regrets. And I tell a

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Speaker 7: If you've got the opportunity your parents speak a certain language,

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Speaker 7: definitely try and learn it.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you want to pick it up?

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Speaker 7: Growing up in a very Australian suburb and school and

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Speaker 7: you know it's not really the cool thing to do,

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Speaker 7: all that sort of thing, which you look back on

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Speaker 1: Else now I look back on it's one of my

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Speaker 4: What about when the movie The Wog Boy came?

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Speaker 7: That was my family was where you guys a fan

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Speaker 7: of the movie or I loved it jumping in front

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Speaker 7: that's so true, but you know, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 7: just the culture.

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Speaker 2: Did you get sent to school with?

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Speaker 4: Like would you lay your lunch out?

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Speaker 1: And I wish I did, know because I love them,

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Speaker 1: I wish I did. Greg food is.

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Speaker 3: Believable, funny, Like as I get older and I see

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Speaker 3: it because there's not a lot of Greek restaurants or

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Speaker 4: Like going to get the Greg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not good for the question.

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Speaker 2: I think it's that generation. Laura is my wife.

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Speaker 5: Her background, they're Italian, they're down from in Woollongong And

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Speaker 5: and he was he worked in the minds her granddad,

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Speaker 5: and it was they tried to rub that out of them.

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably a part of did she did

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Speaker 1: she know? Did her dad speak fluent?

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Speaker 2: Well, he was fluent.

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Speaker 1: Does she does she speak?

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Speaker 5: And she rarely would hear him speaking. But they still

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Speaker 3: It's funny because my mind dad's side, they're indigenous, but

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Speaker 3: his dad used to tell everyone that he was Spanish

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Speaker 4: Went because my grandmother was white. You couldn't be with

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Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, there was the joke is that

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Speaker 3: there's a really strong Spanish community in tari.

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Speaker 5: Was there a case of there being a good cop

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Speaker 5: and bad cop with your parents growing up?

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Speaker 2: Was the displayer definitely?

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Speaker 7: My my my dad was the good cop and my

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Speaker 1: But my dad was terrifying when.

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Speaker 7: He actually lost it, when he got like the handprints

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Speaker 7: My dad he was he wanted me to play rugby,

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Speaker 4: We need to be guns.

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Speaker 1: So that was the defining moment for that. Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have seen you swinging a golf club driving.

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Speaker 5: I remember taking his swing and I looked over my shoulder.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was. It was horrific. So I was close

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I get it, and I don't blame him

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Speaker 3: It's so crazy how powerful it is now that it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like there's there's times for me that I

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Speaker 3: now you know so much about it that you know

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is I'm passionate like sounds like you are

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Speaker 7: And it's comes from him because I've seen it firsthand,

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Speaker 7: And people may have you know, the room as well,

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Speaker 7: It's very it's not easy, you know, and we want

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Speaker 7: That's where I think if you talk and we have

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when we when we did that episode last year

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Speaker 5: And you talk before about you know, almost embarrassed about

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Speaker 7: Shocking, you know, like he had I'm at school in

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Speaker 7: you know, you people would like to make up unfortunately,

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00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 7: you know.

449
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: So how do you deal with that? Well? I didn't.

450
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: I didn't.

451
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 7: I kept it all in for long time, and that

452
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 7: impacted me through my early twenties so to mid twenties

453
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 7: and even my career because you know, it was it

454
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 7: was hard and dealing with it and they're not having

455
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 7: that a mentor too, like, you know, really to talk

456
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 7: to he's he's the guy. I would talk to her

457
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 7: about those things, obviously, Mum, I do and still do today,

458
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 7: but she can't. You know, it's hard for her, right

459
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 7: because she went through it herself. A love of her

460
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 7: life gone, he one day, gone the next, and then

461
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 7: she has to bring up to two sons herself, and she,

462
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 7: you know, like I said, it's it's sort of yeah,

463
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 7: it was tough.

464
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 5: It breaks my heart to hear that you're going through

465
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 5: that with your family unit. I've heard you speak about

466
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 5: the fact that your your family was a great family

467
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: growing up. But in that moment where someone is such

468
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 5: a pillar and keeping the family together is taken away,

469
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 5: how does how does the dynamic change between you and

470
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 5: your brother.

471
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: It's hurt us, It's hurt our whole family.

472
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 7: Like you know, he found my dad, you know, so

473
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 7: it's something he will never get over as well, you know,

474
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 7: and he's had to deal with that, and you know,

475
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 7: it just adds a lot of stress on a family

476
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 7: that was perfect one day, you know, it was fractured

477
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 7: the next. And you know, like it's because we had

478
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 7: a good upbringing and my mom's amazing. It's you know,

479
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 7: we've we've kept it together. And you know, I think

480
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 7: my career has helped because it's gave my family some

481
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 7: light and something to look forward to and you know,

482
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 7: really follow the progress and it's exciting and the success

483
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 7: and it's I think it's given them hope and enjoyed

484
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 7: the ride, the rollercase. But I think that was that

485
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 7: that helped to at a pivotal time like playing first

486
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 7: grade and just gave everyone in the family a bit

487
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 7: of an upper you know for sure.

488
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 5: And were you trying to feel that that father figure

489
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: that was taken away from.

490
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely with mum, you know, because not feel the

491
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 7: father figure as such, like just but there be there

492
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 7: for mum. You know, Like there was times where I

493
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 7: had opportunities to go play in Melbourne or in France

494
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 7: or England, and I didn't because I want to stay here.

495
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 7: You know, like I may have taken different path, a

496
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 7: different opportunity if I if things weren't That's just I

497
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 7: wanted to stay here and here.

498
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: For did sport feel a lot of your time so

499
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: that you didn't have to sit there and think about it?

500
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: Do you think?

501
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, why I was playing. That was around the time

502
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 7: that I'd given up league. So I had a tournament

503
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 7: on days after Wow. Holy my uncle caddy for me.

504
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 7: So I just they said do you want to you

506
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 7: don't want to play? And I said, no, I'm playing.

507
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: Wow. So that was my.

508
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 4: Didn't break any glass.

509
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 7: I can't remember what I played like, but it was like, okay,

510
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 7: let's get on with business.

511
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: Let's distraction.

512
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 7: Distraction, which which is great at the time because I

513
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 7: just went from tournament sport tournament sport, But then it

514
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 7: hits you later because you don't deal with it why

515
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 7: you probably should at the time.

516
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, you remember when it when it crept up and

517
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 5: it got you later in life.

518
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 7: It was my mid twenties, early early twenties to med

519
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 7: at sort of I will think would have been maybe bulldogs,

520
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 7: maybe roosters there, bulldogs probably, but that period where you

521
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 7: kind of struggle them a little bit with footy, and

522
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 7: then you have the pressure, and you've got media, and

523
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 7: you've got you know.

524
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: You for me, and you're still young.

525
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 7: I'm only kids still in everything I do is in

526
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 7: the papers, and I don't have that my dad did

527
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 7: to lean on. You've got financial decisions, to make relationships,

528
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 7: all that sort of thing. It creeps up on you

529
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 7: and then you you just yeah, it hits your heart

530
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 7: and it hit me hard. And then that's why I

531
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 7: kind of got a I got a sports sick and

532
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 7: then I end up getting a psychologist as well, just

533
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 7: and I sort of went back and relived it a

534
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 7: bit and dealt with it the trauma and let it

535
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 7: all out, and then I moved forward. And since then

536
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 7: I've been probably, yeah, I've been a lot better.

537
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: I deal with it. Well.

538
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 3: Did you during that time did you have like a

539
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 3: mentor we spoke earlier about now that you manage all

540
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: these rugby league players and sort of act a little

541
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 3: bit like a mental did you have really?

542
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 7: I had a feel on the way, like a few

543
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 7: coaches and a few mates and my mum, of course,

544
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 7: But I encourage that, like it's something that's what I do.

545
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 7: I do with the sports management. I think it's if

546
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 7: you've had someone who's been there. Don't live that the

547
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 7: good and the bad though, Like you don't always want

548
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 7: to just be hearing all the good stuff. Like I

549
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 7: like to think that I've lived a lot of experiences

550
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 7: and I like to prepare players athletes for the worst

551
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 7: as well. Yeah, how you're going to deal with that,

552
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 7: you know, because that often it is how you deal

553
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 7: more with failure than it is how you deal with success,

554
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 7: so or vice versa as well, But they are both important.

555
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: That's why I do it. Yeah, so it's important. Now.

556
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: Mentors are great, I think, you know, if you can

557
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: find the right one too.

558
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 4: For sure.

559
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 5: I can only begin to imagine what it's like to

560
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 5: have to share this story again. I know you've done it,

561
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 5: not just on this podcast, but others as well. I

562
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 5: just want to say sayings for being so vulnerable.

563
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many young men out there that don't

564
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: they It's funny they don't, especially like.

565
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: My you know, my age.

566
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: A lot of my mates they bottled so much shit

567
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: up and it's fucked and then eventually when they hear

568
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: someone that they they see a lot of themselves in

569
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: or they might look up to whether.

570
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: You know you don't know them.

571
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: They don't know you, but they probably watch you every

572
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: night on an RL three sixty or see you or

573
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: in and around the game, and they think when they

574
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: hear someone like yourself talk about it, they go, fuck,

575
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: I need to talk about it too.

576
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 5: And even get one juxtaposition because I grew up watching

577
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 5: you play footing and then to hear you be so vulnerable,

578
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 5: it's such a one eighty to how I saw you

579
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 5: as as a player.

580
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 7: It often happens, you know, like I meet a lot

581
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 7: of people and they ageez, I didn't expect.

582
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: That or what you know, Like that's what I mean,

583
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: Like you look at.

584
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 7: A lot of people and you don't know their story,

585
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 7: you don't know what they've been through, and when you do,

586
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 7: you kind of maybe have a different perception.

587
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: But also it helps yourself.

588
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 7: But I think the most important thing is you're not alone, yep.

589
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 7: And but also the repercussions of of something like that,

590
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 7: like the severity of it and what it has not

591
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 7: only I mean you know, on your family, your friends,

592
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 7: your kids. It is debilitating and the people it's not

593
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 7: only I mean, it's the people around.

594
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: You that will never be the same as well.

595
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 7: You know, so it's something that I think I think

596
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 7: all men and women should think about.

597
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty full.

598
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 5: On becoming a dad yourself. Was that something that you

599
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 5: always wanted to be?

600
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: Did you always want to grow up and have a family.

601
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was that kid or that guy that wanted

602
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 7: kids from a very young age, like I wanted to

603
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 7: be a dad.

604
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: That was Yeah, definitely a priority for me from a

605
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: young age.

606
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 5: And then when you were in your relationship with Jodey

607
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 5: at the time, when did you know that you were

608
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: ready to start having kids Because a lot of people

609
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: are like, how do you know.

610
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: When you're ready?

611
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 7: I don't think you're ever ready, right, Yeah, I just

612
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 7: thought I was a back end of my career.

613
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: I think it was my last year actually around that point.

614
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I thought it was good timing, you know,

615
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 7: like I'm going to retire from being a professional athlete

616
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 7: but then move into the media. How old are you

617
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 7: roughly at this age, around around thirty.

618
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 4: When did you finish your career at the Roost Tigers?

619
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 7: So I was around thirty one thirty two It would

620
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 7: have been trying to do the mass of my head.

621
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty one thirty two, and I thought he perfect.

622
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I wanted him earlier.

623
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 7: But yeah, you know, there's a lot of things to

624
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 7: come into it, right, You're going to be happy in relationship, yeah, sure,

625
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 7: You're gonna looking for stability and all that sort of thing,

626
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 7: and then you know, time to actually give and be

627
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 7: there as a dad as well as a professional athlete.

628
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 7: I think a lot of the boys timers while they're

629
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 7: playing because they're not there.

630
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: They got his training. Oh sorry, love, I've got to.

631
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: Has never changed U.

632
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: That is crazy, That's what I sure. Yeah, I that

633
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: was the first thing I did, isn't That's unbelievable.

634
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: Have you heard that before?

635
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: I have heard him.

636
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: I probably give it to yourself.

637
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: It's we're after your mate, just looking down upon me.

638
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: I get it, like he's probably training a lot.

639
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: But then.

640
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: I threw him on the bars, and I felt bad.

641
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: I think sometimes, I know for myself, I always wanted

642
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 5: to be a dad. I was so excited, and then like,

643
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 5: you have no idea the reality of being a parent,

644
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 5: you know, like my taste of being a dad with

645
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 5: my sisters older than this, she had children first, So

646
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: I would like have a little five to minute window

647
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: and be like, this is great, hand it back. And

648
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: then when I became a dad, I was like, this

649
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: is hard. How was it for yourself? As soon as

650
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 5: you stepped into that role of.

651
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 7: Being it was hard? I loved it. It was hard.

652
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 7: I was very hands on and yeah I did a

653
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 7: lot of time, like I thrive offer, but it was

654
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 7: it was it was hard work.

655
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean lucky. Alia, our first was quite a good sleeper.

656
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: That to me makes so like we often talk about

657
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 4: you get one or the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

658
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: And you know, even though I was challenging, Yeah she was.

659
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: She was. She's quite the angel. But you know, like

660
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: everything's a challenge.

661
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 7: Right, getting in and out of the cars, going to anywhere,

662
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 7: going to parties and dressing and whatever. It's it's all

663
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 7: a challenge, right, you got you gotta None of us

664
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 7: can really understand, appreciated or be ready for what's to

665
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 7: be able to happen until it happens.

666
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, you can never be prepared.

667
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 5: Ali, if she was a good sleeper, what were the

668
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 5: parts of parenting that were really bloody tough?

669
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: I think for me.

670
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 7: And this kind of this is more been a single dad, right,

671
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 7: it was more when I had it by like I

672
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 7: can end up having it by myself, you know, after

673
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 7: she was only one or two, you know, like it

674
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 7: was pretty pretty early on. Unfortunately myself and my mum separated,

675
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 7: But so that was that's a challenge, you know when

676
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 7: you've got on one on one pretty much majority of

677
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 7: the time too, I had her.

678
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: How are you juggling that whilst because you're still playing for.

679
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm lucky for my mom. She's like my nanny.

680
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 7: It still is like, you know, I've got three jobs

681
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 7: and even back then I had a couple and yeah,

682
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 7: so so that was Mum would help me. She's always

683
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 7: lived close by. She's just been an angel. Like really

684
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 7: I needed her because it's hard work, you know, like

685
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 7: just from the second they wake up to the second

686
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 7: they go to sleep, they need undivided and.

687
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 4: Entertainment. I'm like a kid myself.

688
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 5: And then you're like, I've got five minutes of duplo.

689
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: And iPads and that weren't.

690
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 7: You're like, I'm not going to be that parent with

691
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 7: the iPad.

692
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: And then.

693
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 7: A lot of walking, a lot of a lot of laps,

694
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 7: a lot of walking, a lot of you in sleep,

695
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 7: and a lot of entertaining, Like you know, whether it's

696
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 7: going to fun parks.

697
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: And when you when you did separate, like having having

698
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: a trial so young, how do you how did you

699
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: split that out? Like did I mean there's probably people

700
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: listening that are going through similar things. How logistically, logistically,

701
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: how do you how did you guys work?

702
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a bit of a tricky one.

703
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 7: It's a bit of a tough one with with with

704
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 7: I think Jody's been pretty outspoken about it, with her struggles.

705
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 7: So I had Alia a lot for a lot majority

706
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 7: of a life. So logistically it was pretty simple. She

707
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 7: was at my place a lot, Jodie would have her

708
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 7: when she was away from work, and you know, it

709
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 7: was in a good space. So yeah, it was pretty

710
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 7: much my whole life, you know, like it was it

711
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 7: was a single dad.

712
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again without my mom, I wouldn't have been

713
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: able to do it.

714
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 7: But you know, it's just it's pretty much, I mean, daycare,

715
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 7: pick up, you know, and whatever meals everything.

716
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: You know, you just do what you got to do.

717
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 7: You just get by and then mom would help out

718
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 7: wherever she could if I had work.

719
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was pretty it's full on, Like.

720
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 5: How is it when you're like I think everyone when

721
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 5: they envision when they're younger, what it's going to be

722
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 5: like having a family. Everyone thinks of this beautiful scenario.

723
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: Why I pick it?

724
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: Fans?

725
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, loving home, great relationship, but the reality is often

726
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 5: different to that for yourself, when the reality was different

727
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 5: to the dream of being a parent, Like, how do

728
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 5: you digest that?

729
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: Ah?

730
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 7: Mine is so different to the way I thought it'd be,

731
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 7: Like it's hard to you know, I mean it's tough,

732
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 7: Like I mean, I've got two kids to two different women.

733
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 7: You know, I'm not young, but I've that was serious relationships,

734
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 7: long term, but it just didn't work out. Now, you know,

735
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 7: that was not what I dreamed of at all, And

736
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 7: unfortunately it happens, probably more more so these days than

737
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 7: we don't like right with I don't know for whatever reason,

738
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 7: but it's it's not ideal, you know, Like it's hard.

739
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: You know.

740
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 7: For me, it's all about the girls, you know, and

741
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 7: given them the best life that I can, and I

742
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 7: work hard for that. But you know, I don't want

743
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 7: them to be impacted by it as well, you know,

744
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 7: broken families, and I want the girls to be together

745
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 7: as much as they can, and.

746
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a real tricky one. It's a tricky one,

747
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: you know.

748
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 7: And then you're trying to discipline both girls the same way,

749
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 7: and that's tough because one's in a different house for

750
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 7: a period of time and she comes and joins my clan.

751
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: Different people, different even asked with two kids, like you know,

752
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: within our relationships are they're so different, so different, I

753
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 3: can't imagine them, you know, two different two different moms,

754
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: two different households, and then they come to you and

755
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, now we're going to do things my

756
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: way or this way that way.

757
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, must be.

758
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 7: That's a big challenge for me, is instilling the right

759
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 7: discipline and values like which I'm big on.

760
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Alia is by my side a lot.

761
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 7: So she's got she's she's the easy going one, she's

762
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 7: the class captain, she's got great mennas and I feel

763
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 7: like she's had those instilled in there for a long time.

764
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: The other one, Gg's a wrap back.

765
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 7: And loa like cheeky, you know, poor eater, poor sleeper,

766
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 7: you know, can't sit still, just wants to be doing

767
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 7: something twenty four seven. But I love everything about it, right, Yeah,

768
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 7: the total opposites. But then I'll bring them together and

769
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 7: there they're they love each other to death, but.

770
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: Click and she's just chirming away the older one and

771
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: the other one gets the ships and now all of

772
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: a sudden it's on.

773
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 5: You know, But how how was it when you spoke

774
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: about your second partner, Rachel? At what point do you go, Okay,

775
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 5: I'm now in a position where you know, I'm a

776
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 5: single dad, but you would have been pretty young at

777
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 5: the time, with thirty four.

778
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: Around thirty five.

779
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 5: There you know you're going to want to try and

780
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 5: find another companion. Yeah, when you know when you're ready?

781
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: And how do you juggle that?

782
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 7: It's a hard one, right because when you single dad,

783
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 7: you you not only want the right person for you,

784
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 7: but more importantly for your kids and they need to

785
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 7: be ready for that too. The partner like that's that's

786
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 7: a red flag for me, Like I've hearn a lot

787
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 7: of red flags. But it's hard you did to find

788
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 7: the ideal partner who you know? And Rachel, I have

789
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 7: to say she had a son and herself from a

790
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 7: previous marriage, and she was a good mum. You know,

791
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 7: she put in a lot of she was there for

792
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 7: for earlier and you know, while I was off work

793
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 7: and she was. She was dropping hert a school and

794
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 7: doing all that for me. So that's that was you

795
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 7: talk about. You know that however I juggle that well,

796
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 7: that was with the help of Rachel, So that was

797
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 7: very important. And you know, she was a natural mother

798
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 7: and she did a very good job. So that that

799
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 7: helped me a lot.

800
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: When do you decide, OK, let's introduce the kids together?

801
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 10: Now, this is like, you know, this is a tough

802
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 10: one because you to introduce your kids, you need to

803
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 10: be sure of the.

804
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 7: Woman and vice versa for a woman with a man.

805
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 7: So that's what I'm having trouble with a bit. Is

806
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 7: you know, like back then it was you know, we

807
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 7: kind of did it within six months and probably moved

808
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 7: pretty quick.

809
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: On that.

810
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 7: Second time around, I'm a bit more awary of it,

811
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 7: you know, because I don't want my kids going through

812
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 7: that again. You know, I think the next time I

813
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 7: introduce them to a partner has to be the one

814
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 7: we all think it is at the time, right, and

815
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 7: you know, things happen, but it makes it hard because

816
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 7: I'm trying to It's been probably two and a half

817
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 7: years now I've been single, and when you meet women,

818
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 7: all of this comes into account, you know, like and

819
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 7: I won't just rush any woman into meeting my kids.

820
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 7: So it's a kind of an awkward situation for a while.

821
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 7: And then when that does it get to the point

822
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 7: where they do, it's tricky, you know, and it's you've

823
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 7: got to be certain, and you're never really certain, right,

824
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 7: But I'm certainly not in a hurry to do it.

825
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 7: If I meet a girl, it's got to be right.

826
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: Listening women just quickly, I want to go back a

827
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: little bit, just really quickly.

828
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: Being a single dad with girls, do you think that time,

829
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: so much time with them has helped you build a

830
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: much stronger bond than maybe some other dads have that

831
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: are you know, still with the mom and there's that mix.

832
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 7: This mixed for me, like Ali, that bond is unbreakable

833
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 7: purely because from the day she was.

834
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: Born, it's been me and huh for.

835
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 7: Different circumstances answers GG, I don't get as much, which

836
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 7: is hard for dads as well, right, because it's small

837
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 7: than I would say the stereotypical you know breakup where

838
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 7: the mother mother has majority. You know, we always want more,

839
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 7: but that's it's different, you know, like we I had

840
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 7: the hard thing is I wanted to look forward to

841
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 7: seeing me every time she sees me. So as a dad,

842
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 7: when you've got her, I don't want to I spoil her.

843
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 7: But how much do you spoil them that they don't

844
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 7: benefit the right way?

845
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

846
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: I've got Thursdays.

847
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: Other days it's called Daddy doing night and and we

848
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 5: have like swimming in the morning, and it's you know,

849
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 5: it's it's the one day where Laura is working, my wife,

850
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: and so she's me and the girls and and it's

851
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 5: this hard balance of I want it to be a

852
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: really memorable, enjoyable experience, and so you want to give

853
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 5: them things that they enjoy. But at the same time,

854
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 5: it's also hard when some it's just a bad day.

855
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 5: Sometimes the girls didn't have a good sleep, they're cranky,

856
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: they don't want to get their swimmers and got to

857
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: swimming lessons, and so it ends up being a shit

858
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: day where I've spent disciplining. And then how was it

859
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 5: for you when you do that little window with Gigi

860
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 5: and you build it up to be something great and

861
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: then it's not, and.

862
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 7: You sometimes heartbreaking because you got you've only got a

863
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 7: short period of time, like a couple of days with

864
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 7: us in a week, and if it's not a good time,

865
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 7: you're disappointed and it's sad because you've got to drop

866
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 7: her back on a bad note. Yeah, it just hasn't

867
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 7: gone a plan and you don't have that every day

868
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 7: time to be with her for her, you know. So

869
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 7: it is hard for dads like that, and it just

870
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 7: doesn't always care to.

871
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Plan, right, Yeah, especially as they probably get older as

872
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: well and then they're into their own things or they might.

873
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: I mean with my daughter, she's so young that like

874
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: if we have a tip, you know, we can get

875
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: over pretty quick, you know. Then that but as they

876
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: get as she gets older and more stubborn and resilient

877
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: herself and can be like, well, I'm going to hold

878
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: this grudge against you now because that's not fair what

879
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: you did.

880
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 4: Whatever it might be, it must be really hard.

881
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that drop off at the end of

882
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: your time and you haven't been able to mend that bridge,

883
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: and then you've got to wait all that this time to.

884
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: Try and try and have that moment and it's your

885
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: own daughter, you know.

886
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hard to take you as you go back

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Speaker 7: again to all you ever think of is as someone

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Speaker 7: as a kid or just growing up, is having that

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Speaker 7: perfect family right where you've got your kids and you know,

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Speaker 7: I was brought up in well it didn't end up

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Speaker 7: being a perfect family, but it was from my childhood.

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Speaker 7: And then you get to a point where it's just

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Speaker 7: not yeah, and you've got to deal with it. But

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Speaker 7: that's like, you know, we've all got we've all got

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Speaker 7: ways of dealing with different things and things we've got

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Speaker 7: to navigate through. And it's a constant challenge for me.

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Speaker 7: But I love I love my girls, and I love

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Speaker 7: being a dad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of your social stories, and I

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00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: can see that the time that you spend with them

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Speaker 3: you really appreciate.

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Speaker 4: I see, I see.

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Speaker 3: You know, you could be out walking with them or

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Speaker 3: whatever it might be, or a selfie with them, and

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Speaker 3: it's like, and that's that's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 4: So commended for that for sure.

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Speaker 5: Even though I wasn't good enough to be a professional

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Speaker 5: athlete yet taking time and the fact that apparently athletic

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Speaker 5: men produce females and if Braith's got two girls, I've

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Speaker 5: got two girls.

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Speaker 2: That's good enough.

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Speaker 7: You can pick that walk in career and he's crazy though,

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Speaker 7: like so many guys athletes.

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Speaker 3: Have women, I've got a theory and it's not the

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Speaker 3: shallow penetrators.

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Speaker 5: When when you girls are a lot older and they've

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Speaker 5: flown the nest, what is the one thing that you

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Speaker 5: would want g G and Ali to remember about the

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Speaker 5: household they grew up in?

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Speaker 7: Just the I would say, just the love, the love

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Speaker 7: that they had from the people closer to them. And yeah,

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Speaker 7: just just to I suppose look back and think they

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Speaker 7: had a great upbringing. They love their dad to death

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Speaker 7: and they do anything for him, and you know, just

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Speaker 7: that loyalty and that love really is that's a happiness.

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Speaker 7: That's all you really want is just to put a

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Speaker 7: smile on their face and know that they were given

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Speaker 7: every opportunity to be the human beings that they were

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Speaker 7: through the parenting of the of their dad.

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Speaker 1: Really, that's all I can ask for.

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Speaker 2: Graith, You've had such an extraordinary life.

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Speaker 5: It's had great up some tough times as loads, but

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Speaker 5: it's been fucking great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for spending the time before

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Speaker 3: we do go.

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Speaker 4: I did mention a story.

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Speaker 3: To you earlier, yeah, and I managed to track this

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Speaker 3: down just to give the listeners.

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Speaker 4: A bit of a bit of an idea.

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Speaker 3: A friend of mine back in twenty eleven and today

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Speaker 3: Women's Day competition where it was does your husband look

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Speaker 3: like anyone in particular celebrity athlete? Which is a bit

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Speaker 3: of both He.

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Speaker 2: Did you know about the competition at the time, but.

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Speaker 1: Probably not so.

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Speaker 3: She submitted a photo of her boyfriend at the time.

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Speaker 4: Now they married a couple of kids, and actually, I.

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Speaker 5: Have a look first before we show the poor bastard

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Speaker 5: phrase far better.

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Speaker 4: Look you're preparing me for you spend some time with Josh.

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Speaker 3: I'm in the gold code, so Josh is his name,

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Speaker 3: but s wilkm South tweettheads she submitted this photo to

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Speaker 3: Women's Day and actually one one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: She's got good taste. Oh copy that, Oh com back.

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Speaker 1: He's probably doing better than me at this point.

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Speaker 3: You've got a few've maybe got six or seven years

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Speaker 3: on him there, but gee, you looking him there? That?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so they actually won that award twice in

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Speaker 3: ive me two hundred bucks than you, Josh sending that

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Speaker 3: to me so quickly.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your thanks for having me on. I've

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Love what you guys doing it's been.

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Speaker 4: Fun than appreciate. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say as Braith was a real surprise package.

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Speaker 5: I grew up watching him play footy and I never

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Speaker 5: expected someone like Braith who I see has been so strong,

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Speaker 5: so vulnerable in a conversation.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and we really want to thank KAO for lining

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Speaker 3: that interview up and allowing it to be possible.

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Speaker 3: else who might be struggling or going through a similar situation.

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Speaker 5: And if there's any other parents out there that you

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Speaker 5: would like us to talk to and share their story,

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Speaker 5: It's hello at Two Doting Dads dot com ash.

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Speaker 2: Let's get out of.

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Speaker 4: Here, my friends, see you later.

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Speaker 2: You've got a big drive home.

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Speaker 5: throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.

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