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Speaker 1: Is time for the week that was, and joining us

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Speaker 1: in the studio this morning, we have got the Minister

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Speaker 1: for Police, Fire and Emergency Services and Veterans Affairs, Brent Potter.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Morning to listeners, We've.

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Speaker 2: Got Keesy Appuric, the independent member for Goida.

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Speaker 4: Good morning to you, morning Katie, Morning Bush people.

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Speaker 1: We have got Marie Claire Boothby, who is indeed the

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Speaker 1: member for Brennan and and opposition for various other portfolios.

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Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: And he's throwing his hands up in the air. But

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Speaker 2: we have also got.

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Speaker 4: While he's returned, the awarding.

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Journalist of the Year, Matt Cunningham. Studio is

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Speaker 1: very embarrassed. Did you want to hide under the desk.

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Speaker 2: Makepeak my speech?

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Speaker 1: So swell, that'll be a first for the day.

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Speaker 2: Well let's le's get into it.

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Speaker 1: There is so much to cover off on this week,

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Speaker 1: and we might start off with the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister yesterday bowed to pressure and divested her Woodside shares.

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Speaker 1: In a statement yesterday afternoon she issued it said today

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Speaker 1: I've taken steps to divers a minor shareholding in Woodside

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Speaker 1: Energy Group. The one hundred and sixty nine shares in

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Speaker 1: Woodside originate from a gift from my grandmother of some

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Speaker 1: shares in BHP back in nineteen eighty five, when I

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Speaker 1: was seven years old. The Woodside shares were issued last

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Speaker 1: year as a result of a merger between the two

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Speaker 1: companies and were properly declared. I've always declared shared holdings

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Speaker 1: while a member of Parliament in accordance with the legislation.

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Speaker 1: I have never had any dealings with Woodside as Chief Minister,

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Speaker 1: and the Government has not had to make any decisions

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Speaker 1: relating to Woodside or its interests. She finished off by saying,

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Speaker 1: while there was never while there's never been a conflict,

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Speaker 1: I will not let this be a distraction for the

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Speaker 1: real issues facing the territory, or let it be used

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Speaker 1: by the territories opponents to try and stop us from

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Speaker 1: building the territory's future. I'm divesting these shares to end

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Speaker 1: this distraction, and I'm staying focused on what really matters

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Speaker 1: to territorians.

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Speaker 2: She says.

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Speaker 1: That's growing the economy and creating jobs, as well as

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Speaker 1: tackling cost of living pressures on families and making the

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Speaker 1: territory a safer place for all.

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Speaker 2: What do we all make of this week's events?

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Speaker 4: One hundred and seventy nine shares one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 4: nine hundred and sixty nine seriously a gift from her

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Speaker 4: grandma TOHB. Then BHP merged with Woodside, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: They are on her register. I accept the concept, and

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Speaker 4: I accept what some people are saying regards to conflict,

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Speaker 4: because the anti government does have a lot to do

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Speaker 4: with the gas industry and gas companies in particular. But

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Speaker 4: in regards to this company, there's been no activity for

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Speaker 4: a long time, sadly for the territory. Could have been

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Speaker 4: handled better, probably, but the chief ministers divesting them. You're

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Speaker 4: either selling them or giving them to some family member

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Speaker 4: or something. And fine, I don't think that it. Really

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Speaker 4: read the Anti News EDITORIL a couple of days ago

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Speaker 4: and listened to some expert fellow from Downsouth always button

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Speaker 1: So you don't think there's a problem with it keys here.

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Speaker 1: You don't think that there's any kind of like any

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Speaker 1: kind of issue or dodging.

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Speaker 4: Conflict of interest. It's either no, of course, there's no

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Speaker 4: dodgy business. She owned shares. I've got shares, everyone's got shares,

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Speaker 4: their superinnoation fund, everyone who's got a private superaniation fund.

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Speaker 4: Those funds invest in shares across the board, blue chip

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Speaker 4: shares in particular, which is Woodside, which is Santos, which

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Speaker 4: is I don't know, BHP, which are banks, which are telcoasts,

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Speaker 4: you know, things of that nature, and we stick them

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Speaker 4: on our register of interests or you know, or do

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Speaker 4: whatever we have to do with them, you know, other

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Speaker 4: financial investment things as well. No, there is there is

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Speaker 4: an issue because there is a perception that there could

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Speaker 4: be a conflict of interest and real or perceive that's

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Speaker 6: If the Chief Minister is out lobbying on behalf of

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Speaker 4: I think given the front, Yes, but it was. She

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Speaker 4: believed it was upfront. It's been on a register since

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Speaker 4: she got elected, and people regularly check the register. I

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Speaker 4: know it because you know, they love the salaciousness of all.

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Speaker 6: Then the question is whether it's been declared when cabinet

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Speaker 6: has been discussing that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't know that. I wouldn't know that, but

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Speaker 4: I presume it would be, and you know, like it's

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Speaker 4: no secret what's on your register. So the other minister's probably.

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Speaker 1: Knew, Brent, I mean, does she's I know that Mark

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Speaker 1: Turner had been calling for an emergency cabinet meeting saying

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Speaker 1: that that really needs to happen, and that the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister has breached her own code.

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Speaker 2: Breach the code Matte you might know the.

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Speaker 7: Exactly the ministerial code oft.

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Speaker 8: I think that's a bit of a stretch to be

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Speaker 8: completely frank in the member for Blaine's entitled to his opinions,

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Speaker 8: but he's not in the cabinet room, and if he

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Speaker 8: is wrong, even if he is wrong, and in this

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Speaker 8: instance he is wrong when it comes to declaring conflicts

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Speaker 8: of interest in the cabinet room.

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Speaker 3: Obviously I'm new to cabinet.

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Speaker 8: However, you are asked to declare at the very start

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Speaker 8: of every meeting and when there's been no discussion onward side. So,

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Speaker 8: like Kezier said, it's been on the registering twenty twelve

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Speaker 8: and she has to declar it every time.

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Speaker 7: There's a bit of.

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Speaker 6: Because I saw that put the ant pen and has

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Speaker 7: I think in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 8: There wrong, So ABC has provided all of the documentation

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Speaker 8: back to twenty twelve.

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Speaker 7: The legend said they went and checked the register.

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Speaker 8: Yes, the alleged Assembly register online doesn't have all of

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Speaker 8: the dating parliaments, so we've gone and provided those and

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Speaker 8: more than happy to come back to you if you

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Speaker 7: Matt, absolutely, okay, I will have to take you on

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Speaker 7: your word.

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Speaker 6: So I haven't gone and looked myself, but it's certainly been

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Speaker 8: Way, it's the most recent one on the website, but

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Speaker 8: we've got all the data provide a.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it does sort of raise the question are

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Speaker 1: some changes so they're you know, like the federal government.

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Speaker 1: So last year Anthony Albanesi announced that the federal government

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Speaker 1: ministers had been told to sell off their shareholdings and

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Speaker 2: I mean, is that.

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Speaker 1: Something My understanding again is that that is something that's

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Speaker 8: Is this reality portfolio, so we can get the writing food.

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Speaker 8: But when it's really your portfolio, need to divest them.

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Speaker 8: The Chief has sold them off. Now I think that

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Speaker 8: at the end of the day, it's a bit of

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Speaker 8: white noise. The reality of is Woodside had nothing to

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Speaker 8: particular issues with the gas or the mineral sector and

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Speaker 6: Press releases though they're not from twenty twenty one where

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Speaker 6: Woodside is mentioned.

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Speaker 8: You got a remember didn't have the portfolio at the time,

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Speaker 8: so it has to have the portfolio, is the way

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Speaker 8: it's written.

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Speaker 6: No, no, but I'm sorry you said Woodside's not involved

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Speaker 3: But they're doing carbon catcher and storage.

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Speaker 8: They're not actively it's ARM for a paper, a scoping

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Speaker 8: study paper and carbon catcher storage. They are not at

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Speaker 8: middle Arm. They're not a proponent of middle Arm. They've

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Speaker 8: come out and said that, and that was under Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 8: So what I can say the Chief has sold their shares,

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Speaker 8: She's made the call to divest them, to get rid

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Speaker 8: of the white noise. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: there's been no gain. It's been completely declared since twenty

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Speaker 8: twelve and she's not the minister for forget for the

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Speaker 8: gas industry. She has major projects and obviously that has

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Speaker 8: a thing across the whole of the territory.

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Speaker 7: But if Chief Minister your minister for everything.

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Speaker 3: Really I just said that, didn't I just said that?

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Speaker 8: But the point being that Woodside is not involved in

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Speaker 5: Look, Katie, the territorianes are telling me that they this

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Speaker 5: is like another time where they're losing trust and faith

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Speaker 5: in our chief Minister. I mean, she could have divested

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Speaker 5: these shares earlier, she could have looked through her conflicts

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Speaker 5: of interest earlier. I think it's the way in which

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Speaker 5: it's been managed. I mean day one day she's saying

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Speaker 5: to Matt oh, no, I've done nothing wrong and I'm

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Speaker 5: all good. I'm going to keep these shares, and that

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Speaker 5: she hopes that they make a return, and then the

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Speaker 5: next day she's pulled into cabinet and then decides to

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Speaker 5: do a statement to sell those shares. I just think

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Speaker 5: it calls into question the judgment call of our decision

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Speaker 8: Judgment calls and decision makers. So the Member for Barkley

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Speaker 8: So if we're going to talk about conflicts of interest,

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Speaker 8: then everyone shouldn't have shares. We should go and find

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Speaker 8: out where our super funds put our shares. She declared it,

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Speaker 8: she sold them. There is no woodside in Middle Arm.

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Speaker 8: So I get you want to play the politics on

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Speaker 8: this from the SALP side. But you guys have shares

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Speaker 8: and gas companies as well, which you declare which haven't

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Speaker 8: been an issue now. But if you want to get

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Speaker 8: into government next year, are you going to sell your shares?

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Speaker 5: And Steve Egerton has come out and he would just.

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Speaker 8: Other parliamentary members that have their partners that have direct

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Speaker 8: shares in certain companies, are they going to sell them?

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Speaker 5: If they're a member of that portfolio, then like you've

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Speaker 5: just said, they need to divest in them.

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Speaker 8: They're not the show ministers at the moment weld in government.

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Speaker 8: So will we divest before you before going to August

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Speaker 8: next year?

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Speaker 5: You're a minister now you're in the cabinet decision.

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Speaker 3: I'm asking you the question.

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Speaker 5: We're not the decision makers about what happens in government.

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Speaker 5: Where be looking at your own backyard here and seeing

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Speaker 5: what you can do to try and gain the confidence

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Speaker 5: there's some kind concerned about that.

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Speaker 8: They've got declared shares on their side that relates to

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Speaker 8: our If your resource is Santos origin and family have

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Speaker 8: to declare their shares and they're on the public records.

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Speaker 7: I guess the point that sort.

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Speaker 1: Of big the question do we need to make some changes?

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Speaker 1: I mean, because the rule is the parliamentary rules at

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Speaker 1: the moment are that you've just got to declare. You've

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Speaker 1: got to make sure that any kinds of shares are.

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Speaker 2: Declared on that And yes, so it's fun. We need

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Speaker 2: to see some changes here.

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Speaker 4: Don't I don't know, well, I can't see what changes

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Speaker 4: we need to make that. The Register of interests is

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Speaker 4: what do you own? So you declare your tangible assets,

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Speaker 4: which are land, buildings, whatever, and then financial interests you

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Speaker 4: know like the idiomass which bank you bank with? So

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Speaker 4: I bank with NAB good bank and probably stay with

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Speaker 4: them for a long time because they're a good business bank,

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Speaker 4: you know. And then it danced with what the financial

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Speaker 4: interests have you got? And financial interests could be anything.

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Speaker 4: They could be trusts, they could be shares, they could

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Speaker 4: The other thing is people can go on to the

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Speaker 8: But the reality was declared. And I agree with Keesy's point.

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Speaker 8: like Kezia said, the COLP, the Labor government, independence all

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Speaker 6: Actually, I actually think one defense that works in the

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Speaker 7: I don't think she's that at all.

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Speaker 6: You know, even when she gave her her highly publicized

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Speaker 6: fracking of it. You know, I would say there'd be

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Speaker 7: And if it's running an agenda.

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Speaker 6: That it's not supportive of the resources industry, it's probably

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Speaker 4: If there was going to be pro gass, it had

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Speaker 1: We have got quite a few messages coming through on

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Speaker 1: this share business is a storm in a teacup. Joe said, Hi, Cady, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: She had it on the register. It's honestly, it's really

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Speaker 1: deal with that one there from Joe. Look, there are

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Speaker 1: he said, good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: The shares aren't the issue.

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Speaker 1: The reasons for numerous confidential payouts are the real issues,

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Speaker 1: morning Katie, regarding our chief miness to having shares around portfolios.

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Speaker 1: Didn't a New South Wales premiere fall on his sword

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Speaker 2: Barrio'farrell, Yes, he did.

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Speaker 3: So, didn't Claire though, correct.

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Speaker 5: But it's more about the way that you manage the conflict.

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Speaker 5: And like I said before, she's just changing her tune

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Speaker 5: and it's almost like it's not about what territorians are

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Speaker 5: This conversation sounds like it's never been had amongst Natasha

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Speaker 2: Brent, is she safe as leader following on from this decision?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 8: This is just storm in a teacup, Like I'm actually

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Speaker 8: surprised how much which it is storming a teacup? Like

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Speaker 6: You may not have been here at the time, but

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Speaker 3: Adam Giles, I think they had a lot more problems

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Speaker 6: Think, I mean, you know, Laby was very good at

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Speaker 8: I wasn't involved in the party then, I wasn't involved

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Speaker 1: Soone gould to missage here from Wendy. It says, good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We better take your blush break. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: And overnight a police officer, we've learned, is now going

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Speaker 2: Pretty horrendous stuff.

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Speaker 3: Disgusting behavior.

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Speaker 8: And I'll be watching this one as the Minister for

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Speaker 5: This just keeps happening though. I mean, just this week

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Speaker 5: Just post those incidences, I mean, none of this is

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't disagree, but it's a bit of garbage

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Speaker 8: they've been detained, they've been remind one of the youth

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Speaker 3: And just for those that.

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Speaker 8: Adults being present, for it, so he may not have

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Speaker 8: had the weapon himself. You know, those are the details

441
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Speaker 8: we don't know. But to be referred to youth diversion

442
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Speaker 8: in that common offending, he would have had to be

443
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Speaker 8: the first time offender. So you know, I'm happy to

444
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Speaker 8: come back and clarify that for you. You can't be

445
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Speaker 8: a second time offender. I get referred to.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but you go, it's not like it's

447
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Speaker 1: not a normal thing to be armed with weapons, is it?

448
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Speaker 8: And they're down. But what I'm trying to say is

449
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Speaker 8: that they have the powers. Police responded very quickly, CCTV

450
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Speaker 8: qued them on, they arrested. The individual has been held

451
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Speaker 8: on remand to go and appear before the courts. Now

452
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Speaker 8: it's on the court to sentence them. But going armed

453
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Speaker 8: in public has a hefty penalty.

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Speaker 5: Well look, but that's the new police minister. What are

455
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Speaker 5: you going to do differently than has been done since

456
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Speaker 5: two thousand and six to make territories feel safe?

457
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Speaker 3: As I said, he can go so far.

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Speaker 5: It is not going that. The crime rates are not

459
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Speaker 5: going down, are they? They increasing and they have been

460
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Speaker 5: since twenty sixteen, So what are you going to do differently?

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Speaker 3: This as I've said for I have two objectives of

462
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Speaker 3: as the policeman.

463
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Speaker 8: It's the first one to support the front line given

464
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Speaker 8: the tools of legislation and anything they need to be

465
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Speaker 8: police officers. And the second one is it when you

466
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Speaker 8: call for a cop, you get a cop. Now, it's

467
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Speaker 8: not a legislation issue. You guys think that you can

468
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Speaker 8: get your way at is with legislation. Legislation only takes

469
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Speaker 8: effect once the crime has been committed and there before

470
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Speaker 8: the court. It doesn't deffer someone. What we need is

471
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Speaker 8: rehab programs in prisons. What we need is additional resourcing

472
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Speaker 8: on the front line. I said, when the police review

473
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Speaker 8: comes in, I'll support that, But we're getting people back

474
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Speaker 8: to work. The fact that we can get fifty additional

475
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Speaker 8: officers out of a draina in our springs is a

476
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Speaker 8: demonstration that we're seeing a reduction in return. We're getting

477
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Speaker 8: a better retention rate, so less people separating and a

478
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Speaker 8: better availability of our asset because we've got less liability.

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Speaker 6: So when you say, if you call a cop, you

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Speaker 6: get a cop, how many more police do we need

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Speaker 6: to make sure that that actually happens.

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Speaker 3: There's two answers to that question.

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Speaker 8: So the first one is only to use the resource

484
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Speaker 8: we've got better, which is what we see now the

485
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Speaker 8: Springs Adrena fifty extra officers running a shadowship, so two

486
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Speaker 8: ships at the same time.

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Speaker 3: But the review will come out.

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Speaker 8: I think you know you've seen people previous commissioners say

489
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Speaker 8: somewhere of two hundred.

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Speaker 3: The DV has been speaking about that.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to predicate and put words in the

492
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Speaker 8: mouth of the review, but whatever they come back with

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Speaker 8: will tell us what we need.

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Speaker 3: And I know they're looking at different models.

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Speaker 8: Where can we get to a space where we have

496
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Speaker 8: other people helping out with the admin so officers aren't

497
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Speaker 8: getting stuck behind the desk. And I said this o

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Speaker 8: thing on your show, Katie last week after my three

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Speaker 8: nights of ride lungs. I need to help them get

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Speaker 8: minutes back because if I can get in the minutes,

501
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Speaker 8: I'm going to get the mouse. For example, not waiting

502
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Speaker 8: at the hospital for three hours to be seen for

503
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Speaker 8: an authorization of custody. That's not a legislation change, that's operational.

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Speaker 8: That's as a minister, I can do that with my counterparts.

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Speaker 8: The other one is making sure that territory families are

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Speaker 8: available when they need them. So as we said earlier,

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Speaker 8: we're going to twenty four to seven for the small

508
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Speaker 8: gap they're currently I think it's like three am to

509
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Speaker 8: seven that will be filled by territory families now in

510
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Speaker 8: our Springs and Darwin, so that we don't have police

511
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Speaker 8: having to hold on the kids while they find mum

512
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Speaker 8: and dad. Those little pieces get us a better efficiency

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Speaker 8: on the start on the time that stuff work. But

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Speaker 8: you know what, the police have told me, that's what

515
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Speaker 8: they want. So if they're going to if it's going

516
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Speaker 8: to make their job easier, we're going to see more

517
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Speaker 8: of them at work doing their job on the beat,

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Speaker 8: chasing criminals.

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Speaker 1: So only other Springs announcement, because that was obviously the

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Speaker 1: other thing that really did make news headlines through the

521
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Speaker 1: week is the fact that the Northern Territory governments, so

522
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Speaker 1: now it's more than fifty officers are going to be

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Speaker 1: rostered on through Operation Drina, as you've just touched on now.

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Speaker 1: We did speak to the Police Commissioner yesterday and he

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Speaker 1: did confirm that what it's going to mean is that

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Speaker 1: there'll be officers over the Christmas period who have not

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Speaker 1: had their leave approved, so they won't be going away

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Speaker 1: over that Christmas break, they will actually be staying in

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Speaker 1: Alla Springs to make sure that they can cover those shifts.

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Speaker 1: And it isn't necessarily well, it doesn't seem as though

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Speaker 1: it's an extra fifty officers.

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Speaker 8: It's just rejiggings there, so lock I explained earlier and

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Speaker 8: go to the point I just made there. Firstly, thank

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Speaker 8: you to those officers that aren't going to be going

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Speaker 8: on Christmas leave. I know it's difficult, but they understand

536
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Speaker 8: that that's the peak period and they're the front line.

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Speaker 8: So I thank them for the time they're going to

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Speaker 8: give up and we will catch them back with their

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Speaker 8: leave later. But it is two rosters running. Like I said,

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Speaker 8: the general duties patrol groups will be three cars in

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Speaker 8: a supervisor that will always be filled one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: If they need to, they pull from Drena. But Drina

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Speaker 3: is the.

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Speaker 8: Efficiency were found with a less leave in Titlement. After

545
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Speaker 8: COVID we had a significant leave loading in Titlan. We

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Speaker 8: had to give people leave, so we didn't have the

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Speaker 8: same available as this time. We've reprioritized the policing priorities

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Speaker 8: and said frontline, proactive and general duties is number one priority.

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Speaker 8: So they've pulled offers from other places in central Australia,

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Speaker 8: not from Berkley, not from you into Moon, not from Darwin,

551
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Speaker 8: but from the Alice Spring station itself, and they run

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Speaker 8: a shadow roster. So for example, when I was down there,

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Speaker 8: three cars and a supervisor General duties, plus another three

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Speaker 8: cars of DRINA, mixture of vans and foot patrols. And

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Speaker 8: then on top of that they had Task Force Viper

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Speaker 8: which is the property crime offenders. They had the major

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Speaker 8: crime guys out and then they've now got road policing.

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Speaker 8: So you know, if needed, say the general duties are

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Speaker 8: all being taken with DV or something else and there's

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Speaker 8: a call for assistance, well DRINA will attend that.

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Speaker 3: But first and foremost they're walking the streets, tipping groll

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Speaker 3: moving people on.

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Speaker 5: The kids that get picked up by the police at

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Speaker 5: three o'clock in the morning, who were walking around, where

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Speaker 5: did they go?

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Speaker 3: Currently?

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Speaker 8: Right now, when a police officer picks a child up,

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Speaker 8: they have to go and try and find it a

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Speaker 8: safe place or a parent. When they can't find a

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Speaker 8: safe place or a parent, they're held with either police

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Speaker 8: or territory families because that's that's deemed a safe place

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Speaker 8: out there.

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Speaker 1: Until this point, Territory Families hasn't been working twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours a day.

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Speaker 3: They worked till three in hours, I believe it. Then

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Speaker 3: they on call.

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Speaker 1: So when you just go why, like, why have we

578
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Speaker 1: got a situation like you've spoken about with police efficiencies

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Speaker 1: and they're not sitting there at the at the hospital

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Speaker 1: for several hours. Why are we in a situation then

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Speaker 1: where if kids are under the age of criminal responsibility,

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Speaker 1: they're still sitting.

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Speaker 8: With even their age, it can be up to eighteen

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Speaker 8: with no crime being committed. But I'll tell you what

585
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Speaker 8: where we've ended up. We know that the volume of

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Speaker 8: youth we see a spike during Christmas time during the

587
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Speaker 8: rest of the year, so middle of winter in Alice,

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Speaker 8: we're not seeing the same volume of kids on the street.

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Speaker 8: We're seeing it, but it's not as much as you've

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Speaker 8: see during Christmas. So therefore there was a need for

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Speaker 8: an on call system. We know the on call is

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Speaker 8: probably not going to meet the demand we're going to

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Speaker 8: see over a Christmas So that's why we're going to

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Speaker 8: a twenty four to seven system for Territory families, so

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Speaker 8: that police can get back out and chase those minutes

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Speaker 8: back on the road, because then it means they are

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Speaker 8: tenny more jobs.

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Speaker 5: When can people? And Catherine and Parmesan and Darwin also

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Speaker 5: expect the same from territory families.

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Speaker 8: Well, Parmesan's in Darwin, so you're getting I just said

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Speaker 8: that Darwn in our Springs.

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Speaker 2: So they have got the twenty four seven restarting as

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Speaker 2: well over Christmas.

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Speaker 5: Over Christmas territory families, we're working twenty four seven to.

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Speaker 8: They will have twenty four to seven staff on over Christmas.

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Speaker 8: We made that announcement Ol Springs and.

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Speaker 3: I've made it is that for.

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Speaker 5: Creek Down and Parmeston.

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Speaker 8: In one area, like they're sharing the watchhouse at the moment.

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Speaker 8: Tennant Creek and Catherine don't have the same requirements as

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Speaker 8: Alice Springs and Darwin. Do they knocking around though they

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Speaker 8: have guess they do, but they have an on call

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Speaker 8: system down there and if that isn't working then we'll

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Speaker 8: amend it.

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Speaker 1: Tenant Creek we did speak about earlier in the week

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Speaker 1: as well. We caught up to Steve Edgington and he

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Speaker 1: had said that there are some really serious issues the night.

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Speaker 8: You spoke to him, and I wasn't they have their

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Speaker 8: issues in Tening Creek like they do in Central Australia,

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Speaker 8: like we do.

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Speaker 3: Across the territory. That was a quiet night.

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Speaker 8: I was told there's no no offending occurring on that Tuesday,

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Speaker 8: and I think you spoke to him on the Tuesday.

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Speaker 8: It was the Monday night, So it was a quiet

625
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Speaker 8: a night in Tennant Creek. But as the Commissioner said,

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Speaker 8: no one's being taken from Tenant Creek. They've got a

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Speaker 8: full establishment down there and they'll run their patrols as

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Speaker 8: they need to. If they need additional resources, we will

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Speaker 8: move resources into Tenant Creek, and this is what the

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Speaker 8: Commissioner said. He's got assets available to move up and

631
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Speaker 8: down as we start to see spikes. But we think

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Speaker 8: that with Operation Drina there is enough surge capacity internally

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Speaker 8: in the Central Desert region to deal with what may

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Speaker 8: come over Christmas. Will it be perfect every night, Absolutely not.

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Speaker 8: We'll continue to adapt as we go.

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Speaker 1: And look then on the flip side of this, what

637
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Speaker 1: we've also seen is one of the country's most prominent

638
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Speaker 1: indigenous legal aid services announcing that they're not going to

639
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Speaker 1: take on new criminal matters in Alice Springs for the

640
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Speaker 1: rest of the year, raising concerns some of the town's

641
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Speaker 1: most vulnerable residents will need to represent themselves in criminal court.

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Speaker 1: Sore NAJA, the main legal aid agency for Aboriginal people

643
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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territories, faced a wave of lawyer resignations

644
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Speaker 1: out it's Alice Springs office. That is according to the ABC,

645
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Speaker 1: with former staff telling the ABC more than a dozen

646
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Speaker 1: lawyers have quit since June and of the seventeen lawyers

647
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Speaker 1: that used to be at the criminal department, there are

648
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Speaker 1: now just three.

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Speaker 4: Are that whole saga involving Naga it needs to be

650
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Speaker 4: resolved as quickly as possible to the benefit of their

651
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Speaker 4: client base and obviously staff. Now there's no way that

652
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Speaker 4: some of their clients can represent themselves in court because

653
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Speaker 4: a lot of the time English is not before languages,

654
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Speaker 4: the second or third language. That's the first thing, and

655
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Speaker 4: the second thing is courts generally don't like people representing

656
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Speaker 4: themselves because the system wants the person before the court

657
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Speaker 4: to get the best possible support. Legal support in that

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Speaker 4: court system, you know, to understand what's happening, what they've

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Speaker 4: been charged with. You know, what are their options, what

660
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Speaker 4: are their defense it they've been charged with something but

661
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 4: the fact that the lawyers have all bailed out goes

662
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Speaker 4: to the heart of this problem with large I when

663
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 4: you've got a CEO saying this, and you've got the

664
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Speaker 4: board saying this, and now they're being audited by the

665
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: komaff government and the anti government reguards to fund and

666
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 4: fair enough to you know, it's tax pace funding that

667
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: are funding it. The sooner they can get that sorted out,

668
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 4: the better and to either attract those lawyers back to

669
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Speaker 4: that system or get some new lawyers. But if those

670
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: lawyers have all left, well they're not going to sit

671
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: on their hands. They're out there in the community and

672
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Speaker 4: they may go into other legal agencies and they can

673
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: still be there to support, you know, the clients that

674
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Speaker 4: go into the court system. That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 6: Well, and not only have they left, but you've lost

676
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 6: the experience as well, and so you know you might

677
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Speaker 6: be able to hire another twelve junior lawyers for them.

678
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Speaker 7: They're not going to understand.

679
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Speaker 4: What it means, Katie, I think because the clients won't

680
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: go to the court, well I don't think they should

681
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: anyways go to the court by themselves. It just means

682
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Speaker 4: that those there will be longer delays going before the

683
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 4: court system. So they're either in remand so it means

684
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 4: they stay in their jails longer or they're out in

685
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Speaker 4: the community, and really they should be.

686
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Speaker 7: Before the court.

687
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Speaker 4: It has a flow on effect, you know, not being

688
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Speaker 4: able to represent them in court.

689
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Speaker 1: Just on this topic though still of you know, I

690
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Speaker 1: know I've sort of gone a little bit sideways there

691
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Speaker 1: with that narger story.

692
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Speaker 2: But on the topic of public safety, we.

693
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Speaker 1: Had a really interesting discussion earlier in the week with

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Speaker 1: Warren Ebbersh the CEO of Sentinel Property Group and he's

695
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Speaker 1: also they own Casuarina Square, of course, and spoke about

696
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Speaker 1: some of the measures that they are going to to

697
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Speaker 1: try to keep people safe when they go out and

698
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Speaker 1: do their shopping.

699
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've got increased dog patrols.

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Speaker 1: They've had to He was saying that, I think there's

701
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Speaker 1: been twenty German shepherds brought into the Northern Territory or

702
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Speaker 1: into the top end, not just you know, obviously not

703
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Speaker 1: just for Casina Square, but to provide those patrolling services

704
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Speaker 1: across the top ends.

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Speaker 8: He did say that, and listen, we met with Warren,

706
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Speaker 8: and I met with Warren and Polly this week I

707
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Speaker 8: think it was and I'll be catching it with her

708
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 8: again before sitting, just to run through the issues they

709
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Speaker 8: have there. And I saw that first ten on the

710
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Speaker 8: Tuesday night that I so had the Saturday night that

711
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Speaker 8: I went out in Casarina, we got called to the

712
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Speaker 8: bus in a change for an assault and there was

713
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Speaker 8: people underneath the car parkt at ungodly times for no

714
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Speaker 8: other reason than they're causing a MUK. But what I

715
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Speaker 8: would say, the work that Warren wants to do around

716
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Speaker 8: the bottle shop in there, I think is good work.

717
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Speaker 8: You know, you can't access the bottle shop if you're

718
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Speaker 8: on the BDR underage, so you can't even gain access

719
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Speaker 8: into that place. But when you listen to his comments

720
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Speaker 8: on ABC radio, he also made the point that this

721
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Speaker 8: is not just in Darwn at his stores, it's across

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Speaker 8: all their facilities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did say that the particularly a problem.

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Speaker 8: And I mean we know that Townsville and Cairns and

725
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Speaker 8: Porterheadland are feeling the same things that we are in

726
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Speaker 8: North Australia. I think it's I know people don't like

727
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Speaker 8: hearing it now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will say though that he said that they're

729
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: spending I think nine nine dollars per square meter on

730
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Speaker 1: security in Queensland and forty one or forty catch that.

731
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Speaker 1: So it's a huge amount of money that it's costing

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Speaker 1: them to keep people safe.

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Speaker 6: I think it's like, I just think it's really sad

734
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Speaker 6: that the lengths that we're having to go to for

735
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Speaker 6: people to feel safe in the community. It feels like

736
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Speaker 6: everyone's building a bigger fence, everyone's getting a bigger padlock

737
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Speaker 6: on their gate. You know, Warren was talking about basically

738
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Speaker 6: from what I correct me if I'm wrong, but I

739
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Speaker 6: listened to that conversation and the idea of if you

740
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Speaker 6: have to go and buy alcohol from a bottle shop,

741
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Speaker 6: it's going to be like buying from a going to

742
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Speaker 6: a bank teller in the nineteen eighties, where there's someone

743
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 6: going to be in a box behind bars who's going

744
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Speaker 6: to have to go and fetch your grog. I mean,

745
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Speaker 6: if this is the point that we've got to, you know,

746
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Speaker 6: and these are the measures that we're having to take,

747
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Speaker 6: then then we've failed miserably in what we need to

748
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Speaker 6: be doing to us.

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Speaker 1: Walking vending machines at bottle shops could be a way

750
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Speaker 1: of the future. He was saying that they've come up

751
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Speaker 1: with the idea and they're going to work with retailers

752
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Speaker 1: to implement that approach when the lease is come up

753
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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 8: And some of these measures that are being implemented in

755
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Speaker 8: bottle shops with stuff that are being done nationally already

756
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Speaker 8: that we probably should have in place now, and we've

757
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Speaker 8: committed that after the deck and lavity piece. And I

758
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 8: know that our Endeavor group have done a lot of work,

759
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Speaker 8: especially the one in prap as an example an airport tavern.

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Speaker 3: And I agree.

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Speaker 8: I think Territorians want to see a change, and that's

762
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Speaker 8: what I've been on the radio, I've been out. I'm

763
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Speaker 8: telling them we will get that change. We're in a

764
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Speaker 8: very different position with the police force now than where

765
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Speaker 8: we were a year ago, and we've still had a

766
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Speaker 8: lot of work to do with the review. But the

767
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 8: sentiment I'm getting through a lot of the guys on

768
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Speaker 8: the ground when I'm going to meeting, there is a feeling,

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Speaker 8: there is a positive feeling amongst them. You know, a

770
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Speaker 8: new commissioner with a new vision, changing culture, a review

771
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Speaker 8: coming that will identify the resources they need and they

772
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Speaker 8: know they've absolutely got my support. And I'll continue to

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Speaker 8: write alongs and listen to them firsthand. We can't do

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Speaker 8: much more than that than support them. And I think

775
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Speaker 8: the legislation piece, you know, as I say to Territorians,

776
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Speaker 8: legislation is only good when they face the court.

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Speaker 3: It's not a deterrent.

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Speaker 8: People that are criminals don't see being They don't think

779
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 8: they're going to get caught. What I want them though,

780
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Speaker 8: is when they do commit the offense, like we saw

781
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Speaker 8: in Karama, like we saw in Alice Springs other night

782
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Speaker 8: with the Mashie, as soon as it's identified, police are responding.

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Speaker 8: I think that's what Operation Draining is demonstrating, is more

784
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Speaker 8: resources and respond faster.

785
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Speaker 5: Step back to the cost of crime though for Territorians,

786
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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously casualty shopping square are spending those millions

787
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Speaker 5: of dollars for those safety measures. But small businesses and

788
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Speaker 5: everyday Territorians living at home, they can't afford to build

789
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Speaker 5: those barricades around their businesses and to make their home safe.

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Speaker 5: And in the case of Casarina, obviously that cost is

791
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Speaker 5: going to have to be passed on to someone, probably

792
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Speaker 5: the tenants, and of course the tenants will have to

793
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Speaker 5: he does pass it on to the consumers, which is

794
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Speaker 5: the Territorian and at the time when the cost of

795
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Speaker 5: living pressures is already strangling you know, families and households,

796
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Speaker 5: this just adds to another layer of how it becomes

797
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Speaker 5: really difficult to live in the territory and it's a

798
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Speaker 5: place we love. We don't want to be having to

799
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Speaker 5: think about decisions of whether we're going to be here

800
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Speaker 5: after Christmas or not. And this just adds to those

801
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: awful stories that we hear every single day.

802
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Speaker 1: Well, yes, sorry, yeah, we might have to take a

803
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: very quick break. Sorry, guys, we've got to pay the bills.

804
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine three sixty.

805
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was still a couple of

806
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Speaker 1: things that I'm keen to discuss this morning with our

807
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: panel Murray Claire boothby Matt Cunningham, Keesi Apuric and Brent Potter. Now,

808
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Speaker 1: one of those is the popular nightcliff Seabreeze Festival. It's

809
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: being canceled for next year due to funding challenges, and

810
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Speaker 1: organizers have taken to social media saying that they heavily

811
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Speaker 1: rely on sponsorship and government grants, but the City of

812
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: Darwin has cut its contribution by five thousand dollars so

813
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Speaker 1: the post goes on or it went on to say

814
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Speaker 1: that council also has sent organizers a one three hundred

815
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Speaker 1: and fifty dollars electricity bill that they.

816
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Speaker 2: Can't afford to pay. Now.

817
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Speaker 1: I did speak to Andrew Arthur on the show yesterday,

818
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Speaker 1: the chair of that committee, and yeah, he said that,

819
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Speaker 1: you know, this is the situation they're in. They've only

820
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: got a couple of hundred bucks in the bank, so

821
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Speaker 1: they're not able to pay that, to pay that bill,

822
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Speaker 1: and then you can't get the funding. I don't think

823
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Speaker 1: from the council until you paid that bill.

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Speaker 4: I thought, I know the first one. I know, it's

825
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: very popular with lots of people. I thought I heard

826
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Speaker 4: the mayor say that they didn't they missed the deadline

827
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Speaker 4: for putting in for a grant.

828
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Speaker 2: Well, we've got the mayor on after ten, so we'll

829
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Speaker 2: see what we can find out.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, if that is true, well that's just

831
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Speaker 4: that's I won't go say, say, Paul management. But you know,

832
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Speaker 4: this festival's been going for quite a while and they'd

833
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: big time frames. There'd be deadlines like by this date,

834
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: we've got to do this, by this date, we've got

835
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Speaker 4: to do this. We've got to book these people, book

836
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Speaker 4: the spots.

837
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Speaker 5: You know.

838
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Speaker 7: Did I also I caught some of an interview.

839
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Speaker 6: Did I also hear him say that someone had offered

840
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Speaker 6: to pay?

841
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: Yes, somebody had offered to pay.

842
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Speaker 1: And we actually also had somebody call in yesterday who

843
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Speaker 1: I believe we're going to catch up with just after

844
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Speaker 1: or just before eleven, who again has offered to pay.

845
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Speaker 6: We'll take up take up the offer, I mean committed,

846
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 6: you know, take the take the market like I'm sure

847
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 6: that you here. It could probably raise the five thousand

848
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 6: dollars short for from the council and another one and

849
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 6: a half from the electricity bill.

850
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Speaker 7: I'd probably raise that in ten minutes.

851
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: I mean, if they did forget to put their grant in.

852
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: But also you know, like how did they incur that

853
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 4: debt from this year? I mean, they can't. They probably

854
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: won't be able to get a grunt from the council

855
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: until I get rid of that. So they've got to

856
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: perhaps get some sponsorship in before like now ish. Maybe

857
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: they should be approaching Santos. I'm not sure Santos would

858
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: love to support a community event. You know, people, Look,

859
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: people have got to stop being a bit precious about

860
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: you know, you know, the oil and gas industry. It's

861
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 4: part of our life, as is the mining industry. People

862
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: are happy, you know, to receive the benefits sometimes of

863
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 4: these people. But you know, the companies themselves are community minded,

864
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: you know, and there are there's a mountain of sponsorships

865
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Speaker 4: out there.

866
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Speaker 1: Well they can take into community. This is a real

867
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Speaker 1: loss to the community. You look at all those dancing

868
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: groups and all those different like all the kids that

869
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: get involved in the Seabreeze Community Festival. We've heard yesterday

870
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Speaker 1: from a lady who actually works at one of the

871
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: age care areas in Nightcliff, and she said that what

872
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Speaker 1: they do as well at that time is bring some

873
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: of those dances and that to come and perform for

874
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: the for the senior, you know, for the seniors.

875
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Speaker 2: Which is a great thing to do.

876
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Speaker 1: And what a loss if that doesn't happen because of

877
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: this garbage between you know, with the council and the committee.

878
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 8: So let's just raise it ourselves off. Put one hundred

879
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 8: bucks in table mark boothby you match me, and let's start.

880
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 8: We were talking five thousand dollars.

881
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: I could get them from the chief.

882
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 4: It's a towny thing. I could only do fifty.

883
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: The Chief Minister divestor shares and she can then put

884
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: them into.

885
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 7: The one thing she loves.

886
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: She loves the Seabreeze Festival.

887
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 8: So who knows, I mean, but five thousand dollars, Like

888
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 8: if cancel can't get it, I'm not going to speak.

889
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: Why they can't afford it, that's not their business. But

890
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: surely we can raise five thousand dollars.

891
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 8: And like Kezier said, you know, sometimes we need to

892
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 8: accept the people want to do good, and these companies

893
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 8: want to do good in the community. And a lot

894
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 8: of people in our community work for Impacts, work for Santos,

895
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 8: like they do, create jobs in the economy, they support

896
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 8: our sporting fields. They as you said Matt earlier, they're

897
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 8: involved in the salties.

898
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: Like then they want to help.

899
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 8: So if it means a difference between not happening, exactly right,

900
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 8: If it's a difference between not happening and happening, well,

901
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of territories that would want

902
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 8: to see it happen.

903
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 7: I don't know if they've asked.

904
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 6: I mean, presumably Santos had have two undergrand to play

905
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 6: with because they were sponsoring the day and festival.

906
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 4: Other organizations and one in particular I know, like the

907
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: bendy Go Bank and Nightcliffe. The bendy Go Bank at

908
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: koler Linga has.

909
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 9: Community Jerry with Jerry Jerry wood message. I thought you'd

910
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 9: be in the community bank next.

911
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 4: Mister Woody. I have got an account at bendy Go Bank.

912
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 4: But anyway, moving on declaring yeah, I think I have

913
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: actually excellent I'm not sure about that anyway, Not to

914
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: worry about that Community Benefit Bank in Nightcliffe they have

915
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: a program of funding community events. Clean Heat Gas has

916
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: a well known program. I'd send information to people in

917
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 4: my area all the time. Connico have but it's not

918
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: just all in gas companies. There are other organizationations, financials

919
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: like the Bendigo Bank, like Clean Heat that have funds

920
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: that they give to community events. All you've got to

921
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: do is ask your local member like Marie Claire, myself

922
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: or Brent and we'll be able to give you details.

923
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: So get on with it and get your grant applications.

924
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: The more you put your grant applications in it is

925
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: a better chance of success. Ten thousand. The community benefits

926
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 4: is up to fifteen thousand, yeah, I think, And you

927
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: can apply all the time, well look well to all

928
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: the time.

929
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: We will talk a little more about this after ten

930
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: o'clock this morning when we catch up with the Lord

931
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: Mayor of Darwin convat Scarlets.

932
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: But we're going to take a very quick break when

933
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: we come back.

934
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a topic that gets everybody

935
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: fired up.

936
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 2: Flight prices out in and out.

937
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Of the Northern Territory that's coming your way in just

938
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: a couple of moments. I can't let the panel wrap

939
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: up this morning without talking about these flight prices because

940
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: it was being reported by the Northern Territory News Cam

941
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: Smith earlier in the week that Territorians, fed up with

942
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: paying eye watering prices for interstate flights are rallying against

943
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: the major airlines ahead of Christmas, some choosing to drive

944
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: as the country to visit family. I've done lots of

945
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: the host drives in my time growing up in mounta Isser.

946
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: It's not a fun drive dar.

947
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 4: And Alla Springs. I think it's fourteen hundred or something

948
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 4: one way. It's hard on it's had a lot business.

949
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 4: I mean it's hard on families and loved ones and

950
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: you know people going up and down for doctor business.

951
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: But it's hard on business, you know, and of course

952
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 4: it gobbles up government money with you having to move

953
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: members of Parliament around for whatever reason. So that's just

954
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 4: within the northern territory. Then you try going to state.

955
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 4: I think it was one way two thousand to Sydney.

956
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: Or so there's some ridiculous lot. Price is crazy and

957
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: you can get you can get.

958
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: To bloody Europe for the price it takes to almost

959
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: get back in Sydney's.

960
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 7: Yeah you want to, people will.

961
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 4: Nick off, they won't go in, they won't use interest date,

962
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 4: they'll go overseas with another carrier.

963
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: Well, well you're looking at that.

964
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 6: That's some expensive once you planning on guys, I was

965
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 6: looking at flights to the states. Corn has had a

966
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 6: sale eleven hundred bucks to the US return.

967
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 7: From Melbourne or Sydney.

968
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 6: But the problem was it's going to cost you a

969
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 6: thousand bucks on top of that to get them on

970
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 6: to the product.

971
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: The ghost of Joyce past.

972
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 8: It's still following us through and I think this is

973
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 8: just a point that they don't understand the climate that

974
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 8: we're in the territory and charging two thousand dollars one

975
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 8: way or sorry returns ridiculous. But this is why we

976
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 8: put the airline attraction funding. We've obviously seen Bonzo come

977
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 8: and take that and they're doing directing our springs and

978
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 8: the intent with that is so that it creates a

979
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 8: demand in our springs to see a reduction in the

980
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 8: prices from Alice to Darwin.

981
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: That's why they're not going all the way through.

982
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 8: And I suspect, you know, if the numbers flow through

983
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 8: and encourage everyone to use the airline so that we

984
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 8: can start to see some competition in the market.

985
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think they've missed the mark.

986
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 8: And I think Cornas, not just Cornus with Virgin but

987
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 8: especially Connas has realized recently they probably missed the social

988
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 8: mark there with the strains, and hopefully they can start

989
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 8: to correct it. Because the excuse that the runway is

990
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 8: causing this cost increase, I think, I think that's just

991
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 8: that's that's that is just convenient.

992
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: No, well, that is what we had been told.

993
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: We've spoken to aviation expert Bruce Dale and he said

994
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: what the issue was is that then I believe it's

995
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: when they're taking off that it's got to be a

996
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: certain weight, the low bight, it's got to be a

997
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: bit different.

998
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 8: Because I understand that the aircraft they choose, they tore

999
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 8: also flying.

1000
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: And fly out, so you reckon they can choose.

1001
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 8: And I know that there's a reason why they love

1002
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 8: flying us at Red Eyes because they're otherwise that plane

1003
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 8: is laid up doing nothing. So you know, it's a

1004
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 8: very convenient thing to say the runway getting repairs. But

1005
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 8: these these costs were happening before the runways were even

1006
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 8: getting repaired, so you know it's.

1007
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: Been expensive for a while, there's no doubt about that.

1008
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: And then they go conscious has painted their new planes

1009
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 4: will pretty green? Looks nice? Now have you lost? Yeah,

1010
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: they've rolled it out pretty good. Just fire the bloody

1011
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 4: planes at a good price, say the money on.

1012
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: The paint exactly.

1013
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 5: Supply and demand issue, Like if you've got people wanting

1014
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 5: to go away and leave the territory for holidays, they

1015
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 5: need to feel the planes coming back. And if the

1016
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 5: demand isn't there to fill the planes, and these guys

1017
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 5: a corporate, they're going to change those They're going to

1018
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 5: increase those prices. That's right. We need to work on

1019
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: getting the people to the territory. Even in that off

1020
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 5: season over Christmas, they get interstate people to come to

1021
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 5: the territory and if you can grow that demand then

1022
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 5: of course the flights and the airlines are all going

1023
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 5: to come in. I'm with that.

1024
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 8: And just on that note, we've got a campaign running

1025
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 8: at the moment in a state to attract people over

1026
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 8: the off season, and I would hate to spread. How

1027
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 8: much of that is we're paying for that, I can't remember,

1028
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 8: but it is an amount of money to attract people

1029
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 8: in the off season so that the hospitality industry has

1030
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 8: work over Christmas.

1031
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Now before we wrap up, there have been a few

1032
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: calls from our listeners well speaking basically wanting to call Brench,

1033
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: wanting to make his nickname the Flash, because he speaks

1034
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: very quickly.

1035
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: But I was there.

1036
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 7: I then had it on Michael Gunner.

1037
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 4: About the kind of flashing.

1038
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: You can't do that in this sportfolio.

1039
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: Well then I didn't get told though throughout the week.

1040
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: That's double hang on.

1041
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Patrick Johnson is the og Flash.

1042
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: That's his nickname.

1043
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: Now for those of you who don't know who Patrick

1044
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 1: Johnson is, well, he was an Australian sprinter.

1045
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: He lives here in the Northern Territory now.

1046
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: He was the first and only Australian sprinter to run

1047
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: under ten seconds in nine point nine three seconds. Brent,

1048
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: one of our listeners requested, if you want that nickname,

1049
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: you've got to for it.

1050
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: So no where to hold him, know when to fold him.

1051
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: He can keep the name. But what I will do

1052
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 3: if the original.

1053
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 8: Og wants to have one hundred meters sprint, I'll chuck

1054
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 8: on some some shoes and we can do it for charity.

1055
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: Festival.

1056
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 5: That's about the words you say really fast. It just

1057
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 5: has meaning that.

1058
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: We're getting to the end of the segment. I don't

1059
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: want to have to go back.

1060
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: And just your chest bread on that.

1061
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: No, we better wrap up for the morning.

1062
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: Brent Potter, the Minister for Police, thanks very much for

1063
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: your time this morning.

1064
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: Thank you Katie, thank you listeners, and thanks for the panel.

1065
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: Isn't he the independent member for going to thank you

1066
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: for your time this morning.

1067
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 4: Thanks Katie and also Kalladium Festival is on this weekend

1068
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: at the Fosky Paion. If you like Claydyen, I'm sure

1069
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 4: there'll be other plants, but it's priorities.

1070
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: Kalladiums Cruel be out there broadcasting life. It should be

1071
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 2: lots of fun.

1072
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, the award winning Matt Cunningham, thank you very

1073
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. Thanks Katie and Marie

1074
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Claire Booth, the opposition spokesperson for various portfolios and me,

1075
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: but for Brennan, thank you for your time this morning.

1076
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 5: Thank you, Katie. And tomorrow is also a Mahappy Day,

1077
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 5: which raises money for sick kids who have to travel

1078
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 5: from the territory into state. I'll be there. I believe

1079
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 5: there'll be a bunch of other CRP members out and about.

1080
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: And I'll be at lone Miller.

1081
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: Now, before people complain, there'll be no week that was

1082
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: next Friday because I'm going to be away, but the

1083
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: following week we will be back.

1084
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: No conspiracy.

1085
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: We could check them out on the award winning the

1086
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: award winning journalists, come on something.

1087
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: Do you want We'll wrap up and we'll we'll decide.

1088
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: Good on you guys. Thank you.

1089
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Who you are listening to Mix one O four nine's

1090
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: three sixty