1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Episode one, The Girl in the Red Dress. It all 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: started at Football's Night of Nights. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 2: We have had every person that's come out here. I said, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: you're looking good, Yet they have all said you want 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 2: to see Chris Judge's girlfriend. 6 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Now you are here, are you? 7 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: I am, well, look, you look absolutely sensational. Everyone, man, 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: woman and beast have said you look the best. 9 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Rebecca Twigley's appearance at the Brown Moat wearing that plunging 10 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: red dress catapulted her into instant fame. The then twenty 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: one year old model and UNI student became the face 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: of Maya and the brand Deals came knocking. Almost twenty 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: years on, Beck has graduated from being a model wag 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: and is now a powerhouse in her own right. She 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: was an influencer before Instagram and is now known as 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: the Queen Bee of Melbourne. However, despite being in the 17 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: spotlight for nearly twenty years, Beck is an enigma. In 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: this series, we get to the bottom of how a 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: girl from the wild West in that dress has become 20 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Australian influencer. 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: At Royalty we. 22 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Are journalists Kay Amy and Sophie Torber and this is outspoken. 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Plus now Kate and I really had to fight for 24 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: this series because we have both been fascinated by Rebecca 25 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: Judd for over ten years now twenty really and the 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: whole wag culture. And you, on the other hand, Amy, 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: you weren't as sold on it. Well. I voted for 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: another deep dive that we'll probably get to eventually, but 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm so glad we actually decided to focus on bech 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: Jud because some of the stuff that's gone down I 31 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: had completely forgotten about it. Yeah, she's nearly been in 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: the public eye for twenty years now, which is really 33 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: hard to wrap your mind around. I just still think 34 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: of her as being that twenty one year old girl 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: that we first saw in that dress before we dive in. 36 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: I want to address the elephant in the room. In 37 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: our intro, we use the term wag, and I want 38 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: to put it out there that the term wag will 39 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: pop up a bit during this series because we are 40 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: going back twenty years to when it. 41 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: Was widely used. 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: It's actually pretty funny because during my research I was like, 43 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: when did this word pop up? And it was actually 44 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, which is pretty close to 45 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: when Beck Judd made it big at the Brown Low. 46 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: And there have been so many important discussions had since 47 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: then about how the term wag is very outdated and 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: sexist and it is just so demeaning to define a 49 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: woman based on what her boyfriend or husband does. It 50 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: definitely is, But I know at the time when Bechjudd 51 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: came on the scene, I think a lot of girls 52 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: wanted to be wags and they didn't actually view that 53 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: terminology as offensive. It was actually seen to be something 54 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: that people wanted to be. It really was. It was 55 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: almost worn as a bit of a badge of honor. 56 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: In this case with Beck Judd. It's ironic to think 57 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: that she was known as a wag because she's managed 58 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: to eclipse her famous husband's illustrious football career, and that 59 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: wasn't easy because Chris Judd was regarded as one of 60 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Australia's best footballers in the modern game. He's a dual 61 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: Premiership player and he's won two Brown Lows. So it's 62 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: pretty amazing what Beck has managed to do in the 63 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: last nineteen years. So I want to take you guys 64 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: back to the start forty years ago when Bech Judd 65 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: was born. Now, at this time, she was known as 66 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Rebecca Twigglely and was born in a small town called Lehman. 67 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: The town is three hours north of Perth and it's 68 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: known for its crayfishing. Bech's parents actually didn't originate from Perth, 69 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: so they moved to Perth from New Zealand when beck'smum 70 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: was just seventeen and her dad was twenty two. So 71 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: Bech's parents met when they were working at a newspaper together. 72 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: And I was surprised to learn that Beck is a 73 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: court at Maori, so this is from her mom's side. 74 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: She said she always has people trying to guess her background, 75 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: but they never do. I was really surprised when I 76 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: heard this too, because it's not something that's widely reported 77 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: on now. When Beck was just four, her parents broke up, 78 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and sadly, her earliest memory is her dad crying when 79 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: her mum left with her baby's sister. So Beck stayed 80 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: with her dad, but after a custody battle, she moved 81 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: back in with her mum and her sister Kate. And 82 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: despite the custody battle, Beck's as her parents as still friends. 83 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: It's pretty ironic to think that Beck Judd cops it 84 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: for being privileged at the moment, because she did really 85 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: come from humble beginning. So while her mom didn't want 86 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: to send her to the local high school because it 87 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: was too rough, she did say she went to both 88 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: a public primary school and high school, so she had 89 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: to catch four buses a day to get to school. 90 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: Fortunately for Beck, by year ten, her family did move 91 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: closer to the area, and she said they were quite 92 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: poor and could never have afforded private school. It's pretty 93 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: funny because Beck's first job at high school was working 94 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: at Pizza Haven, and she seemed really proud about this job. 95 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: She said it was the best job she's ever had, 96 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: and she actually worked on the make bench and was 97 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: the fastest pizza maker in Thornleigh. I do love when 98 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: you hear about these first time jobs all these celebrities had, 99 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: and you just can't imagine Beck now working behind a 100 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: pizza buh. It kind of gives her a little bit 101 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: more cred because I think people think that she's too 102 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: good to do certain things now and the fact that 103 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: she was actually the fastest pizza maker made me laugh. Now. 104 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: I always imagined Beck would have been super popular at school, 105 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: but she didn't have a boyfriend at school. In fact, 106 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: Chris Judd was her first proper boyfriend. In a podcast 107 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: interview on the Show and Tell podcast, Beck said this 108 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: about that time. I don't like any boys in my year, 109 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: and I don't think any of the boys liked me, 110 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: so wow, now I'm just walking to it. And Mom 111 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: actually said to me in year twelve one day, because 112 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: I was, you know, quite you know, tall, gangly braces 113 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: by them, no boobs, I wasn't really the girl that 114 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: the guys would ever go for, whereas my sister, on 115 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: the other hand, had the blonde hair, the ten double d's, 116 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: the small little way yeah, like babe, like super super babes. 117 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: Everyone went for my sister and boys would call her 118 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: all the time when we get home. 119 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: And Mum said to me one day. 120 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: This is before mobile phones, because so mom could see, like, yeah, 121 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: why do boys ever call you boys? Always? 122 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: Caul, kid, do you like boys? 123 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: Because that's okay if you like girls, that's totally okay. 124 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I do like boys. I just 125 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: don't like any boys at my school and none of 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: the boys like me. And that's just how it was. 127 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: How awkward would it have been back in the day 128 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: having to actually ring up someone's home phone, oh, and 129 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: having your parents aware of the phone calls that you 130 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: were receiving a bit of a burn saying, oh, why 131 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: haven't any guys ring up here? But they're always calling 132 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: your sister. Now, on the topic of Beck's sister Kate. 133 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: While they're close now, there were times when they hated 134 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: each other growing up. So Beck is the older sister. 135 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: There's two and a half years between them. Let's way 136 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: to what Beck said about their teenage relationship. So during 137 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: school and high schle Kate and I used to fight 138 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: so much. I think I've still got scars on my 139 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: arm from. 140 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 3: Like cat fights with my sister. 141 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: Yes, we used to drive each other bananas and like 142 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: really intense fighting and I hate you and I hate 143 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: you too, and my sister are nice to lock her 144 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: outside of the house. I was the brain, Kate was 145 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: the braun so she'd be the physical fighting and I'd 146 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: just slight lua outside and then lock her outside and 147 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: leave he outside the hours until momum got home. It 148 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: makes me feel better, But this is just how sisters behave, 149 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: isn't it, especially at high school. I can also imagine 150 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: that if your sister was two and a half years 151 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: younger than you, but she was copying all this attention 152 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: from boys at school, it would be a contentious top. Yeah, well, 153 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: things are definitely better between Kate and Beck now. Beck 154 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: gave her daughter Billy Kate as a middle namor, and 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: Beck's also partnered up with her sister Kate to compete 156 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: on The Amazing Race, which is airing soon. Now. While 157 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: the boys at Bech's school didn't notice her, eventually she 158 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: did attract attention from modeling scouts, and funnily enough, it 159 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: was her sister who submitted Beck into the Dolly magazine 160 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: modeling competition. 161 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: Doesn't that just take you back? 162 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: Can you remember being at your local shopping center and 163 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: there'd be all these girls lined up. I remember you 164 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to have any makeup on. You had to 165 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: come very fresh faced, normal clothes, and they would just 166 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: judge you. And these competitions were a big deal. I 167 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: remember Miranda Kerr was scouted from one of them. And 168 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: now they just go on Instagram and look for models. 169 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Sent it funny. I do wonder if Beck's sister Kate 170 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: was trying to stitch her up, because she's sent in 171 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: a photo of Beck in her Pizza Haven uniform, so 172 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: she had black pants on a blue polo top with 173 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: a red collar and a cap. I actually think that's 174 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: a good idea because if you can pull off looking 175 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: good in your takeaway uniform, think you're going to be 176 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: a model. Oh you can tell she has the X 177 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: factor because she was chosen from that. Now, she did 178 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: go down to the Garden City shopping center, and while 179 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: she didn't win the competition, she was scouted by Vivian Models, 180 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: and Beck described herself as being gangly with spotty skin 181 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: and crooked teeth at the time, and Vivian Models actually 182 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: advised her to finish school, get life experience, and fix 183 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: her teeth. I think the first two was good advice. 184 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: So she did end up getting braces and finished high 185 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: school while taking part in Vivian's development programs and workshops. 186 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: And she spoke really highly of the experience with Vivian's 187 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: and said it was really beneficial to learn about the 188 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: modeling industry before working in it. Now, So if you 189 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that Chris Judd was Beck's first official boyfriend, 190 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: but she did actually have a few situationships with guys, 191 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: and the other was when she was living in Thailand, 192 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: so she hung out with a guy for a little 193 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: bit but nothing serious happened. It wasn't until she returned 194 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: home in between modeling trips that she met Chris Judd. 195 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: So for those who aren't big sports fans, Chris Judd 196 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: is of course an AFL football legend who at the 197 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: time had just started playing for the West Coast Eagles. 198 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: Now Beck had only been in Perth for a week 199 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: before running into Chris during a Sunday session at The Cot, 200 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: which was a popular pub. 201 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: In Perth at the time. 202 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: Beck was just nineteen and Chris was eighteen, and in 203 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: a podcast interview with Show and Tell, Beck whimsically spoke 204 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: about how you'd go to the Cot on a Sunday 205 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: night and then get the double decker. 206 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 3: Bus to Clubber. 207 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: Afterwards, she said it was just epic at the time. Now, 208 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: despite being a football fan, Beck said she didn't know 209 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: who Chris was because she'd been living overseas. I wanted 210 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: to add a fun fact in here, because in this interview, 211 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: when she was talking about meeting Chris, they were saying 212 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: what a woman Beck was because she loves footy, but 213 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 1: she also is a massive fan of Test cricket, which 214 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I find hard to believe. It's so fucking boring. Sounds 215 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: like she's a bit of a pick me girl. Do 216 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: you know what some people, some women actually genuinely love cricket. 217 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: I know growing up we were huge footy fans. I 218 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: wonder if Beck was pretending that she didn't know who 219 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: Chris was and she's had to keep it up for 220 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: so many years. 221 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: Eighteen, he would have probably been a very g year player. 222 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: But if you're a West Coast Eagles fan, which I'm 223 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: assuming Beck was, she would have known. 224 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: She would have been a Dockers fan. 225 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: Well, the funny thing is he was actually drinking with 226 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: his teammate Daniel Kerr, and so Beck actually ended up 227 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: meeting Chris through her friend who had been kissing Daniel Kerr. Now, 228 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: in the interview, Chris relived seeing Beck for the first time, 229 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: and he said only one thing went through his head. 230 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: He said she was someone who was incredibly attractive and 231 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: pretty drunk and that was my sweet spot. 232 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: What a weird thing to say. 233 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's basically saying I'm into hot drunk girls. So 234 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: Chris did say that they chatted, but nothing full on 235 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: happened between them, as he was dating another girl at 236 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: the time, but they did stay in touch and conveniently, 237 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: when his relationship ended, they did get together. Well, it's 238 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: funny hearing Beck's side of things because she did talk 239 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: about the same meeting in an interview on the Show 240 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: and Tell podcast, and she said this about the situation. 241 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: I met Chris and then he was ended up his 242 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: girlfriend and he's with his girlfriend, and I was like, okay, 243 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: see you later. 244 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: And then we ended up coming back together. 245 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: And he said, oh, why did it come over one night? 246 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: And I was playing it cool, like, oh, I don't know, 247 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: I might go and see my girlfriends or like try 248 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: to play cool. Yeah, and then he was like oh okay, 249 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: and then he went to hang up, and I thought, oh, 250 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: all right, you can't keep pushing boys away because you shine. 251 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: So then I was like, actually, okay, I'm coming over 252 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: and out fight and I've never done that before. And 253 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: then I went over and then that was that was 254 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: the beginning of everything. Can you imagine if you're Chris 255 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: John's ex girlfriend now listening to this, Oh, it would 256 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: have been a hard night for it at the Brownlow. Yeah, 257 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: it does sound like they're kind of glossing over a 258 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: little bit, like I feel like I've got more questions 259 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: about what actually happened at their first meeting. This is 260 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: kind of like the wedding story, Like it's sort of 261 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: the story that would be told at someone's wedding. You 262 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: don't need the dirty details about if there was any crossover. 263 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: You just need the overview that they met and they 264 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: liked each other and fell in love. Yeah, love story. 265 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: It's funny because during the interview, Beck said that they 266 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: were just kids at the time, but she does look 267 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: back at the photos and laughs about how much hair 268 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: Chris had and the fact that she had no eyebrows. 269 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: Now Beck said the attraction between her and Chris was 270 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: instant for her, and it was at this point she 271 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: decided to move back home permanently. Another deciding factor was 272 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: that she also wanted to pursue speech pathology at UNI 273 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: before her ter score ran out. Now Beck did graduate 274 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: University with a Bachelor of Science degree. Less fast forward 275 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: to two thousand and four, when Beck's life was set 276 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: to change forever because of a striking red dress. Now, 277 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: Chris and Beck they'd been dating for just ten months 278 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: and they were based in Perth at the time, and 279 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: whilst Chris was known in football circles around Perth, Beck 280 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: had a tiny bit of a profile, but she wasn't 281 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: known nationally at all. Yeah, and Chris had a bit 282 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: of a standout season that year for the Eagles, so 283 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: he was favorite to take out the Brownlow medal. Yeah, 284 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: and all eyes were really supposed to be on Chris 285 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: at the time, but it was Beck who caught everyone's attention. 286 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: So ten twenty one year old wore a show stopping 287 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: red dress with a neckline that dipped below her belly button, 288 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: a scooped back that skimmed her bum, and also this 289 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: really big leg split up the middle of the dress. 290 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: I think we were only fourteen at the time, and 291 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: I still remember this being on the front page of 292 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: the newspaper. The custom made dress was designed by Perth 293 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: designer Ruth Tarvades and it costs two thousand dollars. That 294 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: price tag surprised me because that's really cheap compared to 295 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: what people would. 296 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: Pay now for a Brownlow gown. 297 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that does seem shockingly cheap, but you've got to 298 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: remember she was a bit of a nobody at the time. 299 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure the dresses that she's worn since this Brownlow 300 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: moment have cost in the tens of thousands. But when 301 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: you're a newcomer on the red carpet, you're probably just 302 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: gonna wear whatever you get. Yeah, I think two thousand 303 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: dollars is that cheap for a Brownlow dress. I did 304 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: love watching the Brownlow back in the day. What do 305 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 1: you guys remember of this moment? Obviously you saw it 306 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: on the front page of the paper, but did you 307 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: have some sort of reaction to all of the attention 308 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: that she was getting. I just remember that throughout the 309 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: Brownlow Medal count there were just all these sort of 310 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: like snide comments made about her. It was kind of 311 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: like these sort of piggish comments, and they kept going back, 312 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Like the camera kept panning onto her the whole time, 313 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: and they were kind of like demeaning her. Yeah, the 314 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: camera did keep panning back on the couple. I mean, 315 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: Chris was leading the votes. He did end up winning 316 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: the Brownlow Medal, so they kept going back to him, 317 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: But obviously the focus was on Beck and I remember 318 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: at one point she actually picked up her. 319 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 3: Menu to sort of block her booths. 320 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: Oh. I recently saw a clip from the Footy Show 321 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: and it was Sam Newman doing his street talk at 322 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: the Brownlow and he rushed over to Beck, and he 323 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: seemed very drunk, and he was just questioning her about 324 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: what she does and where she got the dress bar 325 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: He's like. 326 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: Oh, do you work out a lot? And what do 327 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: you do? 328 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: And everyone's talking about It's actually disturbing when you watch 329 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: some of the old footage shows and you just realize 330 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: how chauvinistic it was. It kind of freaks me out 331 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that she was only twenty one 332 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: at the time, and you've got this like fifty to 333 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: six year old guy coming up together leering at her 334 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: a teenager. My overall feeling was that there was just 335 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: a whole load of gross men oggling her and objectifying her. Now. 336 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: In a twenty fifteen interview, Chris spoke about his reaction 337 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: to seeing Beck in the red dress for the first time. 338 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: He said, I remember being confused as to why she 339 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: hadn't bought a whole dress. We had a good year, 340 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: we can afford a whole one. 341 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: I don't know why she bought half of one. 342 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: He then continued, saying she looked great. My main thought was, 343 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: this is great. I'm taking such a cracker to the Brownlow. 344 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: That was about as in depth as I got with it. 345 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: And I feel like we need to put it into context, 346 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: because you know, this was nineteen years ago. None of 347 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: us had ever seen a dress like this on the 348 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: Red car, but it was very risk gay for the time. Well, 349 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: she clearly knew what she was doing. She was smart 350 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: enough to know that this was a branding opportunity, and 351 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: all eyes were going to be on her because her 352 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: partner was touted as taking home the Brownlow that year. 353 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: In Chris Judd's autobiography, he spoke about how the dress 354 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: and the Brownlow night really pushed the couple into the spotlight. 355 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: He explained that their relationship had previously been very low profile, 356 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: but that night signaled the end of their privacy and 357 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: from then on they were public property. He gave this 358 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: quote to be honest, I always had in mind an 359 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: alternative reality in which I was married to someone who 360 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: stayed home, looked after the kids, and had the slippers 361 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: out and the Scotch waiting when my day's work was done. 362 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I nursed the delusion for a long time. Clearly I 363 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: was born sixty years too late. 364 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: I don't like this. 365 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: That is, I've never really heard much of what Chris 366 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: Judd has to say, and I don't think after hearing 367 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: that I want to hear much more of what he 368 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: has to say. The more he talks, it's like, please 369 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: stop talking. It almost seems like he's quite jaded that 370 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: his wife has gone on to be more successful than 371 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: him and pursue a. 372 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: Life outside of his football career. 373 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: Well. In a twenty thirteen interview with The Herald's Son, 374 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: Beck said the red Dress launched her career. She told 375 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: the paper, I don't think I'd be sitting here talking 376 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: to you today if it wasn't for that red dress. 377 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: It's pretty sad because a year after that interview, the 378 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: designer of the dress actually sadly passed away, and Beck 379 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: paid tribute to her on Twitter, writing you changed my 380 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: life with your red dress, Ruth. I was really fascinated 381 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: to take a look back at how Beck's red dress 382 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: was reported on back in two thousand and four, but 383 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: I quickly discovered that it's actually really difficult to locate 384 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: articles from twenty years ago. I think it's because we 385 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: didn't have social media at the time and a lot 386 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: of the online news platforms that we have now. Can 387 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: you imagine what the commentary would have been like on 388 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: social media? Well, the media seemed to be just as 389 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: bad Kate, because I did come across a really shocking 390 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: article that was published by the Age in two thousand 391 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: and eight about Beck and her infamous dress. So Felicity Percival, 392 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: who was the editor of Cosmopolitan at the time and 393 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: funnily enough, the fiancee of Geelong captain Tom Harley, she 394 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: was very outspoken in this article about Beck Judd. So 395 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: she was interviewed in the Age and she said that 396 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: the first time she had ever heard of the Brownlow 397 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: was when Beck wore that dress. It's pretty true because 398 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that did put the Brownlow on the 399 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: map as well. Yeah, and whilst this dress did get 400 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: a lot of glowing reviews in Melbourne, Felicity recalls that 401 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: her editorial team was preparing a feature for their next 402 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: issue with the headline, is this dress asking for it? 403 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: What the hell are you serious? Yeah? I cannot fathom. 404 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: I actually gasped when I read this. I can't believe 405 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: that a publication like Cosmopolitan would dream of running a 406 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: headline like this and a woman writing the headline, particularly 407 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: a woman who also is quote unquote a wag. 408 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I just can't believe it. 409 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it just shows how far we've come with 410 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: empowering women and getting rid of this slut shaming mentality. Yeah, 411 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: it's pretty shocking to read something like that and to 412 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: think that it was the mainstream media that was on 413 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: a publisher. Yeah, and the gross comments just seemed to 414 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: continue from Felicity. 415 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: So she spoke. 416 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: About how when it was her time to face the 417 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: brownlow red carpet, she was very cautious. She said, no, 418 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: of course, I don't think any woman asks for it. 419 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: But she then went on to explain that she's a 420 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: breasts in girl and that she likes low necklines, but 421 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: stylish low, not smutty low. Jeez, she's really taking aim 422 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: at Beck, there isn't she. I feel like she'd be 423 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: quite ashamed to read some of these comments back. It 424 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: kind of comes across as being jealous because Beck was 425 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: touted as the first wag of Australia, like everyone wanted 426 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: to be Beck at that time. Yeah, well, I mean, 427 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: Felicity continued so in another article, she was quoted as saying, 428 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: for AFL wags, brownlow Knight is a treacherous test of 429 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: fashion maths. This much cleavage plus that much leg multiplied 430 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: by makeup, fake tan Heill, height and glitter factor can 431 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: equal either a disaster or a goddess verdict in the 432 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: next day's paper. It's so complicated that a technically slutty 433 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: combination will get the thumbs up on one woman and 434 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: derision on another. Wow, that is so loaded. I did 435 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: laugh when you said the glitter because I remember Andrew 436 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: McLeod's wife came to the Brownlow one year and she 437 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: had twenty three, his playing number on her back. Oh glitter, 438 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: that was iconic. And then also Nathan Buckley's wife or 439 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: ex wife now at Tanya, I remember she had that 440 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: glittery g string, that potato some iconic moments from the Brownlow. 441 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I feel like after Beck's dress, everyone just tried to 442 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: outdo each other because they saw what it had done 443 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: for Beck's profile. They're like, I want to be the 444 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: next and what shocking thing can I do on the recop. 445 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: But that's what Felicity said in this article. She said, 446 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: ever since Rebecca Twigley wore that dress, there's been a 447 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: secret struggle between other wives and girlfriends to see who 448 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: can reveal the most. It's all about less is best, 449 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: how much skin can you bear? Now, Beck did not 450 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: agree with this sentiment. She said, I think the girls 451 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: just want to look as best they can, and every 452 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: year there will be at least one showstopper. But I 453 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: genuinely think when you look at Brownlow fashion, everyone looks 454 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: beautiful and really elegant. I just want to play Devil's 455 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: advocate for a moment for Felicity, because we do have 456 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: to remember that her moments were made fifteen years ago 457 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: when Australia was in a very different headspace. And I 458 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: think at the time, obviously people are looking for think pieces, 459 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: and the general consensus was that it was okay to 460 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: laugh at the wags and it was okay to sort 461 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: of mock their outfits. I mean, at the time, there 462 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: were so many best and worst lists, and people really 463 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: made it a sport to sit down the next day 464 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: and take aim at the women. Again, I'm not saying it's. 465 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: Right at all. 466 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your point is that so many other 467 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: women were saying what Felicity was saying, but in their 468 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: lounge room. Well yeah, and I also think that other 469 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: media organizations and journalists were echoing this same sentiment. I 470 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: do still think in twenty twenty three that people are 471 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: making similar comments online. 472 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: I don't think it happens to the extent that it happened, though. 473 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: People just slutshaming them. That It's more like if someone 474 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: wears something bad, people will say something about it. I 475 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: think if someone was to wear a revealing dress like this, 476 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: everyone would be like all the females would be like, 477 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: good on, yeah, you look incredible, But also it's the 478 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: now as well. The difference would be that people would 479 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: actually be calling out the commentators of the brownlow saying 480 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: how slutch amy they were to bet Yeah, I mean, 481 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: the tone was definitely at the time that these women 482 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: were pieces of meat and they were ready to be 483 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: judged by all of the armchair experts at home. And 484 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: it's quite sad because many partners have since revealed that 485 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: they found the Red Carpet an incredibly nerve wracking experience 486 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: and they felt really uncomfortable with the critics and the 487 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: cameras that were there. Because we've got to remember that 488 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: a lot of these women they didn't have a profile. 489 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: They just wanted to attend a very glamorous event and 490 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: they just wanted to be there to support their partners. 491 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: They didn't want all of the criticism that came with it. Now, 492 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: just to give you a taste of some of the 493 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: comments that were deemed acceptable back then. In two thousand 494 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: and eight, entertainment reporter Adam Richards gave his opinion on 495 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: some of the Brownlow gowns on the Morning Show. So 496 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: when discussing Beck's two thousand and eight Brownlow dress, which 497 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: was designed by Jton, he said only drag queens can 498 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: pull off Ghton and Sonia Krueger. He continued saying that 499 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: the giant belt made Beck look like Zena, the warrior 500 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: princess going to a wedding. Gosh, that's bloody harsh. I 501 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: did like your little pronunciation there, kay. Let's hope you 502 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: actually know that this time I did French in your ape. 503 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if it showed. Do you guys remember 504 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the wagon wheel back in twenty eleven. You're making me 505 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: hungry thinking about it, But it's not the actual chocolate biscuit. 506 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: It was a wheel that the Brownlow had set up 507 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: to display the wag. Yeah, it's just as tacky as 508 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: it sounds. It was this terrible contraption. Look like I 509 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: could barely move around. We're going to put a TikTok 510 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: up showing what it was like, but basically it gave 511 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: everyone a three sixty view of all of their women's 512 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: outfit like a lazy Susan, but with the wags standing 513 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: on earth Spinner it was absolutely humiliating. I remember watching 514 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: that and just laughing at home, being like, is this 515 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: actually for real? And then you could tell there were 516 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: some of the wags that didn't want to go on it, 517 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: like they were like nah, and why weren't the men 518 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: on the wheel? It just made the women look like 519 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: they were the possessions of the football worlds that were 520 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: being rated well. Thankfully it was only short lived, only 521 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: lasted a year because Channel seven got rid of it 522 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: after it was likened to a retisseriy objectifying women. 523 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: Do you guys. 524 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: Remember though, that that red carpet actually outrated the actual 525 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: brownlow metal count like it was so popular? Of course 526 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: it was who gave a fuck about the votes? I 527 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: want to see the fashion Now blogger Annie Nolan, who 528 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: was also a partner of an AFL player, condemned the 529 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: wagon will. She said they treated women like a pig 530 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: on a spit. She said women were treated like arm 531 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: candy and the AFL players can show everyone how well 532 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: they did for themselves. 533 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: So true. 534 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: Now, that's where we're going to leave things today. Next week, 535 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: in the second installment of this deep dive series, we'll 536 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: be discussing Beck and Chris Judd's iconic wedding as well 537 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: as the scandals. 538 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 3: That have played her career. 539 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: If you do enjoy this series, we would love it 540 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: if you can share it with a friend and also 541 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: share it on your stories. This podcast was recorded on 542 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 543 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present, and don't 544 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: forget to follow Outspoken on TikTok and on Instagram. 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