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Speaker 1: Lord Mayor of Darwin convat Scarlets.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to Yukon.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. The issue is not about me want

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Speaker 3: the development is going ahead because it's been done by

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Speaker 3: the DHA, has been assessed by the Federal Environmental Protection Authority,

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Speaker 3: has been assessed by the Anti Development Consent Authority, and

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Speaker 3: just last week the Chief Minister said is going to

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Speaker 4: To go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, on that note, let's take a listen to what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is actually too far gone. First of all,

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Speaker 5: has gone through all of those processes. As a minister,

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Speaker 5: I am not going to start overturning decisions that are

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Speaker 2: Con does that? Is that good enough? Do you think?

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Speaker 1: And or do we need to actually take another look

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Speaker 3: The ministers have made it clear it's been assessed by

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Speaker 4: What will happen?

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Speaker 3: Nobody raised an issue. Then about the point, all of

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Speaker 4: Let me give you a heart. What are you sign?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the other alderman hadn't read those papers?

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Speaker 4: Now well about the papers?

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Speaker 3: which is really bad. Now listen to the community. Which

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Speaker 3: But again, I'm not the one who says, yes, I'm

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Speaker 3: Where were all these people that came yesterday, one hundred

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Speaker 4: It's aunted development. It doesn't matter how many excuses you make.

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Speaker 2: What is going to happen now?

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Speaker 1: Because it seems as though, based on what the Minister

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Speaker 3: Mean to put it bluntly, people voted for Rebecca's motion

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Speaker 3: The reality is it doesn't matter what Rebecca said or

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Speaker 3: We're too small to oppose this development because already been approved,

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Speaker 4: Council missed the boat. All these bavigous they.

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Speaker 3: Were demonstrating that should he have act in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 4: It's a lesson we have to learn be early.

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Speaker 3: Put your proposals or position or submissions early when things

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Speaker 2: You're early in the process. Now would you still go

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Speaker 3: Ask for the development to be relooked, not to be

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Speaker 4: Now it's already decided.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, really do we need to actually like

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Speaker 3: Another a lot of young people listening to you today

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Speaker 4: Well, I've been down with thirty years.

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Speaker 4: You know. If you want to make a case, you

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Speaker 1: Presumably though this has all gone through like I would

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Speaker 4: That's what said. It's been through all the processes you

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Speaker 4: Not a done deal. It's not a deal.

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Speaker 3: It followed a certain process and jumped all the hurdles.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what it is. Something there. I

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Speaker 4: Well, we should let people enjoy the time at the market.

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Speaker 3: a no no. If it says fifteen minutes, stay fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: by all means, enjoy the markets, but let other people

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Speaker 1: I know there's plenty on the gender at the moment,

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Speaker 3: Well, two days we gave seventeen hundred plans to three

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Speaker 3: We had people queueing in the sun to get some plans.

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Speaker 3: and look after them. So that adds to the fifteen

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Speaker 3: thousand plants were already planted and more than more coming.

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Speaker 3: We've got another six times to give out plans. Find

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Speaker 3: out from the council website where the time is, where

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Speaker 3: the location is, and come early.

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Speaker 4: I heard that there were people queuing from seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get in there early. Can anything else on

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Speaker 2: your agenda that we should be aware of. Briefly, well,

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Speaker 2: let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: Apart from the plants, we had a number of walkways closures.

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Speaker 3: Now there are some issues with walkwayte especially in we

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Speaker 3: close one in Karama, one in Coconut Grove. They become

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Speaker 3: high of anti social activity late at night. We close

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Speaker 3: the more trial based. It did seem to work because

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Speaker 3: people seem to break logs jam defense. So now close

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Speaker 3: it and probably which we'll offer them. One who was

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Speaker 4: Heem got in front of me the Carrol Crest and

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Speaker 2: Sorry, and so they're now closing permanent, but we probably.

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Speaker 3: Offer them to the neighbors if they want to buy

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Speaker 3: it to incorporate to their land.

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Speaker 1: Right, So closing permanently, and that is because of the

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Speaker 1: anti social behavior in those areas.

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Speaker 4: It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I remember when I was in Caserina, I had to

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Speaker 3: close walkways either partially or completely because kids know anyway

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Speaker 3: you can't put a car if you chased. So they

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Speaker 3: found them at escape roots so by close them completely

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Speaker 3: because don't forget people might have dogs in their backyards.

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Speaker 4: Yah, and kids will not jump in the backyard.

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Speaker 2: What kind of things were you saying in those walkwise.

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Speaker 3: Well, smashing the house and then run away shop lifting

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Speaker 3: and then run away getting running from one area to another,

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Speaker 3: and of course they know every single walkway in their

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Speaker 3: to the other exit point of the walkway, the kids

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Speaker 1: Well, Convat Scarlas it sounds like a move that hopefully

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Speaker 1: those residents who live nearby are happy with as well.

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Speaker 3: We always make sure that we ask the neighbors if

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Speaker 3: they're happy with it, and you'd be surprised the response

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Speaker 3: we get.

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Speaker 4: Most people says yes, please not soon enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Convat Scolus, Lord Mayor of Darwin, always appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. And for those out there listening wondering why

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Speaker 1: we talk to conn on a Wednesday, now that is

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Speaker 1: what we do. It's a Wednesday morning from now on.

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Speaker 1: We used to do it on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Happy to talk to you even on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: If you want good on your corn. Thank you,