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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And in the studio this morning for the COLP, we've

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Speaker 2: got Billy.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, good morning to everybody here, and darn.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you and to be back well his

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Speaker 2: first time for the week that was the Alps, Joel

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Speaker 2: Boud and good morning to you, Joel.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Cody.

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Speaker 5: And they're big tides so I wonder if they'll be

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Speaker 5: fishermen out Bill, you're.

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Speaker 4: Going out, No, not today.

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Speaker 5: Today's a big weekend of big tide, so that runs on.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there's barrow to be caught.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe. And Robin lamblet Leaf of course, the independent

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Speaker 2: member for hour long. Good to see you, Thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 6: It's great to be here, and it's nice to be

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Speaker 6: here with a virgin this morning.

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Speaker 1: First time in here, is not laughing.

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Speaker 7: We promised to go easy, we'll go easier.

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Speaker 1: He's still not laughing.

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Speaker 5: I want to say something, but I'm not sure it

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Speaker 5: would be palatable for morning.

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Speaker 8: Fair enough, and Robin, you know, let's.

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Speaker 7: Keep it Virgin. He's a new participant. Participation program is

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Speaker 7: well seen.

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Speaker 4: You many times before, Katy, you know, yeah, but not

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Speaker 4: for the week.

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Speaker 1: That was yet. But you'll be right be right.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's get into it and I will just start

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Speaker 2: with well, with a really terrible situation unfortunately that unfolded

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Speaker 2: We know that the Osprey crash that did indeed happen

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Speaker 2: on the Tiwi Islands. The body of three US Marines

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Speaker 2: killed in that aircraft crash during a military exercise in

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Speaker 2: on the Tewei Islands have indeed come back to Darwin

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Speaker 2: and are.

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Speaker 1: Now on their way home.

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Speaker 2: But it has now been revealed as well that the

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Speaker 2: final actions of the three American Marines may have averted

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Speaker 2: a catastrophic loss of life, with the Osprey crew heralded

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Speaker 2: for sacrificing their own lives to save twenty others. So

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Speaker 2: the families of Captain Eleanor Lebau, Major Tobin Lewis, and

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Speaker 2: Corporal Spencer Collart have all remembered their loved ones as

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Speaker 2: heroes following a horror aircraft disaster, of course, on Sunday. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think it goes without saying that our hearts and

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Speaker 2: prayers go out to those families, But it was you know,

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Speaker 2: it is a phenomenal effort that there wasn't more people

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it just it's shocking to think that an accident

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Speaker 6: like that can happen so close to home under such

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Speaker 6: about the impact on the twe community and how sad

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Speaker 6: very very sad.

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Speaker 3: And as we've spoken about during the week, Katie, is

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Speaker 3: it the marine forcer to hear in Darln They're just

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Speaker 3: not a quick come and go. They're formed part of

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Speaker 3: it's absolute tragedy for them, for their families and for

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Speaker 4: But the response, as Robin has said.

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Speaker 3: From the Tewe's and the medical people who responded quickly

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Speaker 4: We're in the back of that aircraft now.

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Speaker 5: That's coming out today, isn't it, Bille, And I think

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Speaker 5: our thoughts must also go to the one person who's

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Speaker 8: Could have been more. Yeah, been so much when the

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Speaker 5: Heard Landa Taris on the radio the other day just

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Speaker 5: saying how the Critical Care unit and they continue to

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Speaker 5: be world leaders that you know, it started back when

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Speaker 5: And it's something that we should be proud of here

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and CareFlight as well, you know, all of those

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territories defense community will not only that situation

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Speaker 2: That was just yesterday, I believe it was. It comes

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Speaker 2: just days after that terrible incident and three Tea Marie

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Speaker 2: a it was a rough start to the week, there

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Speaker 2: is no doubt about that. But we also know that

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Speaker 2: Parliament did indeed resume this week and that's been.

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Speaker 1: An interesting time.

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Speaker 2: We know the Country Liberal Party, well, you're push to

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Speaker 2: give all violent alleged defenders a presumption against bail has

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Speaker 2: been labeled tough talk. The topic returned to Parliament throughout

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Speaker 2: the week. We know that obviously the bail legislation was debated,

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Speaker 2: but we were also in a situation where the petition

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Speaker 2: for justice for Decklan Lavity was indeed debated as well.

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Speaker 2: It's been an interesting week and I guess it's been

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Speaker 2: really sort of safe to say, well, what's been very

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Speaker 2: Territory election, but the approaches from each party when it

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because the bail stuff, as we've been

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Speaker 4: And it's quite a.

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Speaker 3: Simple piece of legislation is if you committed violent events,

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Speaker 3: out on the street. It's as simple as that, and

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Speaker 3: it's no more confusing than that. But the way that

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Speaker 3: That they tried to embarrass Leah during a consideration in

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Speaker 3: like petulant little kids, some of the members of Labor,

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Speaker 3: the way they carried on during that discussion in consideration

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Speaker 4: It was actually really quite embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: But they managed to beat that, and what happened on

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Speaker 3: Thursday during question time was probably the largest low that

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Speaker 4: But we'll talk about that a little bit later, I think, Katie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was an interesting week, Katie, And we'll probably

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Speaker 5: just go back a couple of steps where the petition

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Speaker 4: Robin and I sit on the pac.

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Speaker 5: Once a petition comes to Parliament, it then goes to

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Speaker 8: Not everyone knows what that is.

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Speaker 5: But then it's put up whether it should be debated

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Speaker 5: to be debated, and yes it was debated. What we

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Speaker 5: did do was we change the standing orders. So normally

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Speaker 5: if someone brings a petition and it is debated, it's

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Speaker 5: debated for sixteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we talking extensively about this over the last couple

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Speaker 2: that this discussion was only going to go for sixteen minutes,

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Speaker 5: So what was then done on the government side was

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Speaker 5: to change standing orders, so suspend standing orders, bring the

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Speaker 8: Every member of the Parliament was allowed to debate the.

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Speaker 1: Petition and the issue.

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Speaker 5: It was two hundred and fifty minutes compared to sixteen

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Speaker 5: and so that that went through. I know Samara was there.

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Speaker 5: We debated and it was a really really emotional day.

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Speaker 5: I know when I got home on Tuesday, I was drained.

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Speaker 8: So it was a really interesting week.

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Speaker 5: And then, as as Bill said, we progressed into a

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Speaker 5: further debate around the bail proposal and there was a consideration,

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Speaker 5: which is the exact opposite, right, Normally it's the government

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Speaker 4: I was a.

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Speaker 5: Deputy Speaker which presides over that for a period of time,

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Speaker 2: I mean, so this was in relation to the amendments.

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Speaker 2: want to know, all right, well, what actually happened in

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Speaker 2: the end, and what happened in the end, is it

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Speaker 2: got voted down. Now, so the Colp's proposal that the

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Speaker 2: amendments to the Bail Act.

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Speaker 3: To the memments that we put forward to the Bail

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Speaker 3: a presumption against getting bail, was effectively voted down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so then as a result of that being

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Speaker 2: got all pretty nasty.

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Speaker 3: Well, then the next day during question time things got

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Speaker 3: That was an absolutely new law that I've seen in Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Well, and look, we might get into some of those

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Speaker 1: Do you think that.

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Speaker 7: In our community too. That's all it is. Bill.

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Speaker 6: You know, if they've distributed the petition more widely to

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Speaker 4: Well, you look at the rally that we had in

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Speaker 6: And interestingly, most people didn't really know what the meeting

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we might take a very short break and

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Speaker 2: Now they said that to help inform the strategy, an

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Speaker 2: holistically nearly half of all knife crime incidents and domestic

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Speaker 2: preventative health and social response is necessary to reduce knife

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Speaker 6: No, And it puts the onus back on to other

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Speaker 7: Work that out well.

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Speaker 5: There have been a number of areas that have been addressed,

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Speaker 8: Where police now have the powers.

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Speaker 5: One, there's fifteen or sixteen areas of high risk which

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Speaker 8: In the issue that we've gotten in my view is that.

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Speaker 8: A very pole community. I don't know anyone in prison?

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Speaker 8: How do we grow up a community? How do we

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Speaker 5: Everything you possibly can, and the strategy is there to escalate.

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Speaker 5: The strategy is there for extra about a number of

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Speaker 5: I ask you.

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Speaker 1: How many victims do you know?

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Speaker 4: I know a number of victims.

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Speaker 5: I know a number of victims. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: The department to give us advice.

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Speaker 2: Nobody minds like everybody thinks, yes you do need the education,

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Speaker 4: But there needs to be some action.

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Speaker 6: Right now messaging we will not accept people carrying weapons, and.

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Speaker 4: I went and bought a stuff.

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Speaker 8: I bought it to go home and use in my garden.

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Speaker 4: And this is such a hard problem.

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Speaker 3: The lady in Palmerston putting a kid in the kids

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, and very regularly. That's and that's I think where.

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Speaker 2: The communities sort of reached a point where where they're

446
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Speaker 2: not only fed up, but they're actually like they're upset,

447
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Speaker 2: you know, even with the situation that had happened with

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Speaker 2: the women who were assaulted on Tuesday afternoon. So I

449
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Speaker 2: spoke to Leah Bennett, one of the victims of that assault.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday morning, she joined us on the show. She works

451
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Speaker 2: at Stomp Shoes. She was walking to go and get

452
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Speaker 2: in her car to go home and got rolled by

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Speaker 2: three girls. One of them was eleven years old, allegedly.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is just not the town that we

455
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Speaker 2: all know and love. This is not the kind of

456
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Speaker 2: behavior that any of us think is acceptable. We know

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Speaker 2: that there are a lot of different issues going on,

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Speaker 2: you know, even the government obviously announcing the DV strategy.

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Speaker 2: We know that there does need to be further engagement

460
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Speaker 2: into education and that kind of thing, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: But there are there also needs to be consequences if

462
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Speaker 2: somebody does something like that that it is not No

463
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Speaker 2: body in the community thinks that it's acceptable. Nobody thinks

464
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Speaker 2: that it's okay, you know, for somebody to be rolled

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Speaker 2: down the street, whether it's an adult, whether it's a kid,

466
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Speaker 2: and we can't just say it's not acceptable. There actually

467
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Speaker 2: has to be actions to demonstrate that it's not acceptable.

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Speaker 6: Haiti, we hear these motherhood statements from the Chief Minister.

469
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Speaker 6: She made them yesterday. Any crime is a crime too

470
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Speaker 6: many crime is unacceptable. We've just heard that, Joel, say

471
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Speaker 6: the same thing. You've been in government for seven years, Joel.

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Speaker 6: Your government has failed to adequately respond to crime throughout

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Speaker 6: that whole entire time, and that's why we are in

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Speaker 6: the position we are in. We watched crime escalate month

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Speaker 6: on month, year on year in Alice Springs to the

476
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Speaker 6: point where the Prime Minister had to drop in in

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Speaker 6: January and tell the Chief Minister how to fix things up. Now,

478
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Speaker 6: these motherhood statements are all well and good, but they

479
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Speaker 6: just don't wash. We need action, less handholding and more

480
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Speaker 6: affirmative action around stopping people from carrying weapons and using them.

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Speaker 7: Wanding.

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Speaker 6: The idea of scanning people and wanding it doesn't It

483
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Speaker 6: may prevent some people from carrying a knife, but if

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Speaker 6: someone out in the sticks is wielding a knife and

485
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Speaker 6: using a knife to harm someone, wanding isn't going to

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Speaker 6: make any difference at all.

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Speaker 8: No, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to make a difference if someone's wielding

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Speaker 5: a knife and using it. But we also have to

490
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Speaker 5: do the preventative elements. We also have to have the

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Speaker 5: wanding in there. So if there's a suspicion of someone

492
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Speaker 5: carrying a knife that you can check that acknowledge and

493
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Speaker 5: acknowledging it to everything we possibly can.

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Speaker 8: We know, well, we are trying to.

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Speaker 4: Feel the time.

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Speaker 5: It's my old hometown, I was down there recently, I'm

497
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Speaker 5: there all the time. And if we ever stop trying,

498
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Speaker 5: then you can smack me around the years, because that's

499
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Speaker 5: why I'm in this job.

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Speaker 6: That you you've always.

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Speaker 4: Got a robin.

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Speaker 5: You're perfectly balance. You've got to chip on both shoulders.

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Speaker 5: Now accept my community, the labor goverment. If the labor

504
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Speaker 5: government ever stops trying to develop individuals, develop the community,

505
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Speaker 5: then you can slap me around the years.

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Speaker 4: But if we don't address.

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Speaker 6: Seven years ago appropriately responding to will in you to

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Speaker 6: come around.

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Speaker 2: You do both things at once, like can't we do

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Speaker 2: you know what labor is suggesting and obviously educate and

511
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Speaker 2: and do you know do everything that that the labor

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Speaker 2: governments announced within this within this knife crime strategy, But

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Speaker 2: can't we also be a bit tougher when it comes

514
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Speaker 2: to absolutely you know that the legislative change, so make

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Speaker 2: sure that there is that consequence.

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Speaker 8: There have been changes, and there are consequences.

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Speaker 6: And let me just give you a where labor has failed.

518
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Speaker 6: They haven't done those two things.

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Speaker 5: So the consequences are that we have the highest incarceration

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Speaker 5: rate in the norm territory anywhere in the Western world.

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Speaker 7: Thanks to your government anywhere in the Western world.

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Speaker 5: So class and like we've heard this estimates, Bill and

523
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Speaker 5: I were estimates for a long time. There's six thousand

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Speaker 5: people in prison. We're using the watchhouse at the moment

525
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Speaker 5: in Darwin.

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Speaker 7: That's because there's so much crimes.

527
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Speaker 5: Because so there are consequences people who commit crimes, who

528
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Speaker 5: break the law.

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Speaker 2: Go, is that government from making legislative changes. Is that

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Speaker 2: what's preventing you guys in jail.

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Speaker 3: It's trillion in the back of government's mind, that there's

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Speaker 3: no suppace to put people into standing.

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Speaker 8: That is not the reason at all.

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Speaker 5: But if not the reason, legislative changes need to have

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Speaker 5: challenges inside knowledge.

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Speaker 3: But legislative changes need to be worked through. But let's

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Speaker 3: look at the fact. Why are our prisons full. Our

538
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Speaker 3: prisons are full because labor has allowed a level of

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Speaker 3: lawlenessness to treat through our communities over the years, and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the prisons are full, and they're

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Speaker 3: more than full. They're overflowing, they're expanding the prison Alice

542
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Speaker 3: Springs too. I think put in another eighty eighty beds.

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Speaker 4: The thing is, I need scaundy.

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Speaker 7: Growth industry in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: There's another sixty staff to manage that increase and they

546
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Speaker 3: can't get staff now. So unless labor It gets smart

547
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Speaker 3: about what it's doing it actually reduces crime at the

548
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Speaker 3: front end, then you're going to see those issues with

549
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Speaker 3: full and overflowing prisons into the future.

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Speaker 2: To take our listeners from it, I just want to

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Speaker 2: take our listeners through the fact that the government also

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Speaker 2: announced TV strategy earlier in the week. The government say

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Speaker 2: that they are working hard to create generational change and

554
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Speaker 2: safer communities with the launch of Action Plan two as

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Speaker 2: part of that ten year Domestic, Family and Violence Reduction Framework.

556
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Speaker 1: So this next phase is going to aim well.

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Speaker 2: It aims to reform and achieve the framework's long term vision.

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Speaker 2: So essentially some of those deliverables include establishing an Aboriginal

559
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Speaker 2: Leads DFSV Prevention Initiatives Fund, strengthening the response of specialist

560
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Speaker 2: services and child victim survivors, expanding domestic and family violence

561
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Speaker 2: programs and in prisons, while also providing counseling services to

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Speaker 2: women in custody and expanding men's behavior change programs in

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Speaker 2: community settings, as well as strengthening the specialist court in

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Speaker 2: Alice Springs including additional legal supports. How many of these

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Speaker 2: programs have we currently got when it comes to domestic

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Speaker 2: family violence programs in prisons but also prior to somebody

567
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Speaker 2: getting into a prison and defending in the first place, like,

568
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Speaker 2: have we already got those programs running? And are they successful?

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Speaker 7: Very thin on the ground.

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Speaker 5: Well, the first program, which is fundamental, right is pre

571
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Speaker 5: school is before preschool care, early childcare, So early preschool

572
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Speaker 5: school fundamentally, if you can read and write, you are

573
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Speaker 5: active democratically, socially, and economically. We have to start at

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Speaker 5: the front end, which is what Bill said before. We

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Speaker 5: have to start at the front ends to do prevention. Yes,

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Speaker 5: there are consequences, as you said, Bill, the prisons are overflown,

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Speaker 5: so there are consequences.

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Speaker 4: We are locking people.

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Speaker 5: But unless we do everything, and I think there's twenty

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Speaker 5: million dollars going to be invested in that strategy too.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were still calling for needs based funding.

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Speaker 5: We need ten times that amount, right, We need needs

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Speaker 5: based funding. We need more money to invest in our community,

584
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Speaker 5: to invest in education, health's special these other services. Because

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Speaker 5: if we don't get ten times the amount of money,

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Speaker 5: we're going to continue.

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Speaker 3: The industry us to report about the government that there

588
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Speaker 3: was X amount of fundy required to adequately address DV,

589
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Speaker 3: and of course the government sort of rejected half of

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Speaker 3: that report.

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Speaker 4: And you talked about the courts.

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Speaker 3: I think that report recommended three million dollars to support

593
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Speaker 3: those court outcomes in all of Springs. Well, I think

594
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Speaker 3: they got two hundred and fifty thousand. But I'll talk

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Speaker 3: about corrections. I suppose if you look at corrections as

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Speaker 3: a whole, I only speak for Alice.

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Speaker 4: Nearly half of the.

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Speaker 3: Offenders in there in therefore DV related matters, that assault matters.

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Speaker 3: So at the moment, it's about six hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: so safely say three hundred and forty.

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Speaker 4: Now, out of that three hundred and.

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Speaker 3: Forty, they need DV issues addressed. Government hasn't funded the

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Speaker 3: program to be able to address that amount of people

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Speaker 3: and never have. There's a backlog of months and months

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Speaker 3: and years and years for people to get into those

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Speaker 3: programs to address DV offending. And because of the short sentences,

607
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Speaker 3: they never they could go onto the wait list, they're

608
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Speaker 3: released before they even get near a program. So those

609
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Speaker 3: programs need to be expanded ex potentially across our correctional services.

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Speaker 3: If we want to see some change in that DV prison,

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Speaker 3: it should.

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Speaker 5: Be about a couple of things. A deterrent but also rehabilitation.

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Speaker 5: And when you go into prison or you go into jail,

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Speaker 5: we've got to have programs and services, and that's been.

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Speaker 1: Some of the criticism. We don't.

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Speaker 2: So you've got people going into prison and the prisons

617
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Speaker 2: are so overcrowded and so under staff that there is

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Speaker 2: not actually those reasons exactly.

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Speaker 7: That's what I'm here.

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Speaker 3: The prisons are absolutely utterly under resource and that's statement

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Speaker 3: in fact, and I've seen it first hand over the years.

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Speaker 6: Katie the Northern Territory News put out a really interesting

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Speaker 6: breakdown of domestic violence assaults in Alice Springs since this

624
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Speaker 6: government's been in power since twenty sixteen, and what it

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Speaker 6: shows for Alice Springs is that there has been more

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Speaker 6: than a thirty percent increase in domestic violence assaults in

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Speaker 6: Alice Springs over the last seven years. So here we

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Speaker 6: are again talking about what the government's going to do

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Speaker 6: about domestic violence. They've been in power for seven years

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Speaker 6: and they've once again presided over this astronomical increase in

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Speaker 6: the incidents of domestic and family violence. So even on

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Speaker 6: that score, this government has failed. So how they can

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Speaker 6: sit and blindly tell us all that they care and

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Speaker 6: that they're doing this, that and the other when the

635
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Speaker 6: statistics the evidence is very clear, Katie. They love to

636
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Speaker 6: talk about evidence, but when you break it down, they

637
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Speaker 6: don't acknowledge the evidence, and the evidence is that domestic

638
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Speaker 6: violence has never been this bad in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: The Current has highlighted a number of these things in

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Speaker 3: heath findings during the week on DV and one of

641
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Speaker 3: the key things was is that the governor doing short

642
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Speaker 3: term funding. So rather than providing five to ten years

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Speaker 3: of funding for a DV related program, they're only going

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Speaker 3: for two years with no certainty.

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Speaker 2: For the Proceshen you look at the rates of domestic

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Speaker 2: violence so in the Northern Territory that we do actually

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Speaker 2: need needspace funding. I mean, we do actually need some

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Speaker 2: additional help from the federal government here because the rates

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Speaker 2: that we've got in the territory are like, it's astronomical

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Speaker 2: for all the wrong question.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that that is correct. We do need needs based funding.

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Speaker 5: To answer Robin's question, yes, we do acknowledge that it

653
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Speaker 5: is a huge issue and we are trying with this

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Speaker 5: second strategy and trying to invest and build your comment. Look,

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Speaker 5: when we ask for three million and we only get

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Speaker 5: two hundred or three hundred thousand, the short for the.

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Speaker 9: Report next week to go to Canberra next we can't

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Speaker 9: go to the federal Here's the issues, here's the astronomical

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Speaker 9: rates of here's the astronomical rates of incarceration.

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Speaker 4: Please help fund the Northern.

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Speaker 5: Territory because unless we've got the funding, we can't address this.

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Speaker 5: With workforce shortages, with infrastructure shortage, with the ten.

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Speaker 4: Being strict about education.

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Speaker 6: Listening to the domestic and family violence stand in Parliament

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Speaker 6: and talk about all the wonderful things she says she's

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Speaker 6: doing to fight domestic violence, and then she turns it

667
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 6: around quickly and pins it on the former CELP government

668
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Speaker 6: going back to twenty sixteen for not doing this, that

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Speaker 6: and the other. When your government has presided over the

670
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Speaker 6: greatest increase in domestic violence assaults in the territory's history

671
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Speaker 6: and spiking to an all time high level during the

672
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Speaker 6: time that these stronger futures. Alcohol bands were lifted for

673
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Speaker 6: that seven month period from July last year to February

674
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Speaker 6: this year. I mean, the honesty that comes out of

675
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Speaker 6: the government and the spin around what's actually happening is appalling,

676
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Speaker 6: and Territorians need to know that they're not being told

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Speaker 6: the truth by this government.

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Speaker 2: Look, we are going to have to get ready to

679
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: take a very short break, and I will just say, Joel,

680
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: there's been a couple of comments about the line if

681
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: Labor don't get it right, you can slap me around

682
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 2: the ears. Just a couple of people saying that that,

683
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Speaker 2: you know, while we're talking about domestic violence, you know,

684
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Speaker 2: not wanting us, you know, to sort of talk.

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Speaker 1: About it in that way.

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Speaker 2: And I know that you you know, you're not you're

687
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Speaker 2: certainly not you know, condoning domestic violence or condoning violence

688
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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: More just I suppose, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, if we ever stop trying, then then that'll be

691
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: the time that you should vote us out. If we

692
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 5: ever stop trying, if you can't trust us to keep trying,

693
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Speaker 5: to keep working to try to get to get evidence,

694
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Speaker 5: to talk to the department, if we ever stop trying,

695
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Speaker 5: if we ever put our head in the sand on

696
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Speaker 5: this and say no more, we won't keep working.

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Speaker 4: Then that's when you vote a Sam.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, let's take a very short break. You are

699
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Speaker 2: listening to Mix one oh four nine's three p sixty.

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was. If you've just joined us, well,

701
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Speaker 2: there's plenty of people listening this morning, plenty of messages

702
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Speaker 2: coming through and we'll get to those a little later.

703
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Speaker 2: But in the studio with us, of course, is Bill Yan,

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Speaker 2: Joel Bowden and Robin Lamley. Now, in a very interesting

705
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: story which was being reported this morning by the ABC,

706
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Speaker 2: it's been reported that the Northern Territory's Chief Minister, Natasha

707
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Speaker 2: Files has faced a motion calling for her expulsion from

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Speaker 2: Labour's left faction. So the motion comes amid tension within

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Speaker 2: the Territory labor over environmental issues. And two federal politicians

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Speaker 2: spoke to the motion at that factional meeting. But as

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Speaker 2: I understand it, they stood, you know, stood up for

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister. So Melanderie McCarthy and indeed Marian Scrimjaw

713
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: they attended that meeting as I understand it, and both

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Speaker 2: of them raised concerns about fracking and the lack of

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Speaker 2: protection for Water Resources, but ultimately they both spoke against

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Speaker 2: expelling the Chief Minister from the Left.

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Speaker 1: Jolie.

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Speaker 5: Very interesting, Yes, Katie, and I'm I'm aware of this

719
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Speaker 5: report and Matt Garret's got pretty much right. There was

720
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Speaker 5: a few disgruntled, grumpy people within the left faction who

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Speaker 5: wanted to stir up debate, as Matt Garrick has put

722
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Speaker 5: it in the report today, because as you know, it's

723
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Speaker 5: very difficult to get the Chief Minister to a meeting,

724
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: right and so to stir up some debate and to

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Speaker 5: get the Chief minister, they put up a motion. The

726
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Speaker 5: Chief Minister attended a meeting, spoke to the motion. Subsequent meeting, MELANDERI,

727
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Speaker 5: McCarthy and Marian Scrims you were there. And then the

728
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Speaker 5: mover of that motion withdrew the motion said well, that's

729
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Speaker 5: what I was trying to do.

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Speaker 8: I wanted to a debate about this.

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Speaker 5: This is an emotive issue. I'm very passionate about this.

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Speaker 5: So I thank you for coming, I thank you for

733
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Speaker 5: talking with us. And therefore that was the end of that.

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Speaker 6: Crucified Lea for Nookiaro for going through this process probably

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Speaker 6: around it's revealed the chief ministerians listening.

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Speaker 5: Well the Chief Minister to attend a meeting and use.

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Speaker 1: Factions, Can I just ask so point bigger? Does this

738
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Speaker 1: point to a bigger.

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Speaker 2: Issue though, for for the Northern Territory Labor Party when

740
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Speaker 2: it comes to fracking and when it comes to the

741
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Speaker 2: development of middle arm Because obviously the Chief Minister did

742
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Speaker 2: have her speech that she presented at the National Press

743
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Speaker 2: Cup Club where she where she stared down the trolls

744
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: and the teals and said, you know, this is what

745
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Speaker 2: we are doing and it's a sustainable middle arm precinct.

746
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Speaker 2: But it's clear that there are people within the Labor

747
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Speaker 2: Party who who do not feel the same.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're not.

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Speaker 3: Happy about deep division, certainly within Labor if it's that's

750
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Speaker 3: come to the point where they have a faction willing

751
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Speaker 3: to throw it, throw out. The Chief Minister over over

752
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Speaker 3: a government.

753
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Speaker 5: Says, what I think it spells out is that democracy

754
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Speaker 5: is alive and I think it's about we have the

755
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Speaker 5: con we have the contest of ideas within the party,

756
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Speaker 5: we have factions, and we have even within the faction,

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Speaker 5: there is a diversion of you. So you can go

758
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Speaker 5: to a meeting and you and you're that's your group

759
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Speaker 5: and you think, hang on, that person's got a different idea.

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Speaker 5: You have the debate, You have the argument, and then

761
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Speaker 5: we also have a conference which we go to and

762
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Speaker 5: have the argument and have the debate, and then when

763
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Speaker 5: we leave the room. It's like a football team code.

764
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Speaker 5: Once the team has been picked, that team goes out

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Speaker 5: and busts there the game and play to the game.

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Speaker 4: The Chief Minister one Democracy is Alive and.

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Speaker 6: Election said that they were against for racking, including the

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Speaker 6: current Chief Minister and Loam behold in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 6: they're fracking the be Toloo basin no wonder, there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of discontent within the labor ranks around the hypocrisies and.

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Speaker 1: The lies of labor cities.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you were not involved in politics at the time, Joel,

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Speaker 6: I remember it.

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Speaker 4: You tell me when I was and was involved. You

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Speaker 4: were not.

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Speaker 7: You were not a part of the labor chief that ran.

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Speaker 4: Today you're telling me when I.

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Speaker 6: Want hypocrisy around fracking, can I just confirm?

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Speaker 2: So the Chief Minister does still have support of the left.

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Speaker 8: The Chief miss support of the left and is a member.

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Speaker 7: Of the left today she does.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit evil.

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Speaker 8: And Robin, it would be nice. It would be nice

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Speaker 8: if I was in your shoes.

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Speaker 5: You could be an independent and say whatever you want

786
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Speaker 5: and not be accountable, but in the party accountable.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to do the election between.

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Speaker 4: Democracy as we.

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Speaker 2: Move along, because I do want to talk about about

790
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Speaker 2: the fact that a date has now been announced for

791
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Speaker 2: the guests and no obviously or for the vote for

792
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Speaker 2: the voice to Parliament. So October fourteen is when it's

793
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Speaker 2: going to happen. The question for the referendum is going

794
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Speaker 2: to be a proposed law to alter the Constitution to

795
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Speaker 2: recognize the first peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal

796
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Speaker 2: and Torres Strait Islander voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?

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Speaker 2: And obviously Ossie's or vote yes or no. And I

798
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Speaker 2: know everybody's got very differing, you know, very different opinions.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that I really hope with this discussion,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk further about it after ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have Richard Fijo and also Helen's secretary

802
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: on the show to talk us through you know, their

803
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: opinions and yes or no side. I just want it,

804
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: I know it. You just want it to be as

805
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Speaker 2: respectful as possible.

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Speaker 5: It's an invitation. Melanderry McCarthy puts this very succinctly. It's

807
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 5: an invitation to recognize the Indigenous Australians of over sixty

808
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: thousand years in our constitution. It's a really simple proposition.

809
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 5: I'll be voting yes. I believe in it, and if

810
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Speaker 5: it helps change one life, just one life, I'll be

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Speaker 5: happy to vote you.

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00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 6: Why didn't vote yes for the bar laws it went

813
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Speaker 6: through Parliament today?

814
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: That could have.

815
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Speaker 5: Changed on the fourteenth of October, Roberts, you can vote yes.

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Speaker 4: I think you to take a photo.

817
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 6: Of it with your post around the referendum, I think

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Speaker 6: that the Federal Labor government has mismanaged the whole thing

819
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Speaker 6: and I think they've given Australians every reason to vote no.

820
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Speaker 6: But on balance, I support Aboriginal people, I support Aboriginal

821
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Speaker 6: Territorians and I'll be voting yes.

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Speaker 5: And every day in Parliament we do an acknowledgment of country.

823
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Speaker 5: We acknowledge o Aboriginal people in our parliament every.

824
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Speaker 7: Session before she came that we've been doing that.

825
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: So it's incredible knowledgement of Aboriginal people in our constitution.

826
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Speaker 1: Well, have you decided which way you'll be voting.

827
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Speaker 4: Not exactly.

828
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: Okay, then I'll go to get back to your point

829
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Speaker 3: about being respectful and sadly, there's a lot of disrespectful.

830
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: Commentary going on about the Voice out there in the community.

831
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: But so I've been out in the Voice talking to

832
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Speaker 3: people that I represent, and they're still undecided. There's a

833
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: lot of people that are pretty cranky about the way

834
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: the yes, sorry, the yes is being rammed down their

835
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: throat by certain sectors. They want balance. They will also

836
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: want to hear about the other side. So I've been

837
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: trying to give what information that I can. So I've

838
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Speaker 3: been out there as much as I can listen to

839
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Speaker 3: what the people have to say. And what they're saying.

840
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Speaker 4: Is is the Voice going to do these things for us?

841
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: And I said, well, they say that they can, and

842
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: the people ask me, well how, And I can't give

843
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: that information because the federal government haven't been able to

844
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Speaker 3: give me that information yet, which is really quite concerning.

845
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: So without that information, without.

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Speaker 4: Them with the constitution, hang on, I'm trying to wrong.

847
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to explain my position and the people I

848
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: represents position is that without being able to get that

849
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Speaker 3: information and show succinctly how that's going to make a

850
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: difference to the people's lives out in the bush. So

851
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: I can't support it without that information, and I heap

852
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: of people in the bush feel the same way. They're going, well,

853
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: everyone's saying all these motherhood statements. The Voice is going

854
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: to do this for us. The Voice is going to

855
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: do that for us that they're asking how, and nobody

856
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: can provide that.

857
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Speaker 4: Information to them.

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Speaker 2: I am going to have to take a really short break.

859
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

860
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Speaker 2: It is the week that was. I can't let the

861
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Speaker 2: panel leave this morning without having a quick discussion about

862
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: this situation with Quantus. So Quantus has now removed the

863
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: expiry dates on five hundred and seventy million dollars worth

864
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: of COVID travel credits owed to Australian and international customers

865
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Speaker 2: that were issued up until September thirty, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Which is due to run out at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 2: Now, the airline says that customers with COVID credits can

869
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: now request a cash refund. This comes as as I

870
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: understand it, now, the A triple C is going to

871
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Speaker 2: be looking into things. So the Australian Competition and Consumer

872
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: Commission alleges that Quantas advertised and sold tickets for thousands

873
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Speaker 2: of flights that it had all ready canceled but not

874
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Speaker 2: removed from sale.

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Speaker 1: There in our world a paid at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I've been following this one this week, Katie and Quantas's

877
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: reputation has taken a hallary oil a hell of a

878
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Speaker 3: hit this week, and the fact that when you look

879
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: at quantus petition government to stop Qatar bringing in extra flights,

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Speaker 3: it's just.

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Speaker 7: Absolute man by the federal government.

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Speaker 2: I might do.

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Speaker 4: Exactly and you look at how much we're paying for flights.

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Speaker 3: Robin and I got to come up here on a

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Speaker 3: regular basis. Alice we used to pay was at three

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Speaker 3: hundred bucks three hundred and twenty each each way, and

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Speaker 3: now we're paying over six hundred and fifty bucks.

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Speaker 2: We spoke to Daniel Rochford from Tourism Central Australia earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week and he said that it was it.

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Speaker 1: Was cheaper for his wife to travel overseas for.

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Speaker 2: Work than what it was for him, as the head

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Speaker 2: of Tourism in Central Australia to come to Darwin. It's

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Speaker 2: like it's obscene the prices that we're paying on flow.

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Speaker 5: We need our national carrier to be the national carrier

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Speaker 5: to well to go and Joyce's moving on very soon.

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Speaker 4: Rather than the national galgious slate clean and then be

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Speaker 4: the national carrier.

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Speaker 5: Look after their workers, make sure they look after their

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Speaker 5: workers better, make sure.

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Speaker 2: That we get throughout COVID. So they're holding all this money.

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Speaker 2: They sacked all of those staff, all of those workers

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Speaker 2: during COVID, and they got government subsidies and now you

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Speaker 2: still want to give us our money.

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Speaker 3: Image imagine another business taking money from someone for service

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Speaker 3: that they're never going to prove that they ended up

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Speaker 3: being caught for fraudeh.

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Speaker 7: Seventeen billion dollar profit.

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Speaker 2: I think unbelievable. Anyway, we're going to have to answer.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to wrap up. Bill Yann

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Speaker 2: from the COLP, thanks so much for your time. Ste

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Joel Bowden, thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you again soon.

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Speaker 8: And happy Father's Day for the day.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm going.

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Speaker 5: To jingly Father's Day breakfast this morning and Oil Primercire lovely.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. The bacon eggs was.

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Speaker 1: Sunday and keep us busy. And Robin Lamley, the Independent member.

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Speaker 2: Friarah Lewin, thank you, thank you all so much for

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Speaker 2: your time. You are listening to Mix one O four

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