1 00:00:10,204 --> 00:00:13,484 Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts here, more Gold one on one point 2 00:00:13,524 --> 00:00:15,204 Speaker 1: seven podcasts. 3 00:00:14,604 --> 00:00:24,204 Speaker 2: Playlists and listen live on the Free iHeart app on 4 00:00:24,284 --> 00:00:25,604 Speaker 2: the cutting room floor today. 5 00:00:26,044 --> 00:00:29,204 Speaker 1: Well, Brendan, first it was Haul and Oates, Now it's 6 00:00:29,244 --> 00:00:31,564 Speaker 1: Ben and Jerry's Splitsville. 7 00:00:31,724 --> 00:00:32,644 Speaker 3: Oh, what's happened? 8 00:00:32,684 --> 00:00:32,924 Speaker 1: Well? 9 00:00:33,564 --> 00:00:37,763 Speaker 2: Did the huge talent of hall outweighing oats affect Ben 10 00:00:37,844 --> 00:00:38,284 Speaker 2: and Jerry? 11 00:00:38,403 --> 00:00:39,964 Speaker 1: Before we go on to Ben and Jerry, Let's get 12 00:00:40,004 --> 00:00:45,324 Speaker 1: this clear. I'm all yours. You're the small, wiry, hairy one. 13 00:00:45,484 --> 00:00:46,364 Speaker 3: The people won't. 14 00:00:46,284 --> 00:00:51,444 Speaker 2: You're the one that the brains of the operation a me. Anyway, 15 00:00:51,684 --> 00:00:53,684 Speaker 2: we've spoken about this at length. 16 00:00:53,724 --> 00:00:55,524 Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's move on to Ben and Jerry's. 17 00:00:55,524 --> 00:01:01,204 Speaker 1: So Ben and Jerry's ice Cream. One of the co founders, Jerry, 18 00:01:01,484 --> 00:01:05,044 Speaker 1: the Jerry of Ben and Jerry's, has quit the band. 19 00:01:05,444 --> 00:01:06,244 Speaker 3: He's resigned. 20 00:01:06,324 --> 00:01:09,604 Speaker 1: What's happened Well, the parent company, Unilever, he says, has 21 00:01:09,684 --> 00:01:14,124 Speaker 1: silenced their core mission of liberal activism. Let's listen to 22 00:01:14,404 --> 00:01:16,604 Speaker 1: something that they posted on TikTok not so long ago. 23 00:01:16,964 --> 00:01:18,684 Speaker 3: Six ice cream Not gonna lie. 24 00:01:18,884 --> 00:01:20,684 Speaker 4: We get this on a lot. Yeah, we're in the 25 00:01:20,724 --> 00:01:23,124 Speaker 4: ice cream business, but we've always been about much more 26 00:01:23,164 --> 00:01:25,724 Speaker 4: than just ice cream. We use our power, our privilege, 27 00:01:25,724 --> 00:01:28,604 Speaker 4: our platform, and our relationship with our fans to advocate 28 00:01:28,604 --> 00:01:31,484 Speaker 4: for progressive social change. So now we're not just going 29 00:01:31,524 --> 00:01:32,404 Speaker 4: to stick to ice cream. 30 00:01:32,604 --> 00:01:33,324 Speaker 3: Well I didn't know that. 31 00:01:33,604 --> 00:01:36,363 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think the owners now Unilever, have said, 32 00:01:36,364 --> 00:01:38,444 Speaker 1: how about you just stick to ice cream because the 33 00:01:39,564 --> 00:01:42,484 Speaker 1: very vocal owners of this ice cream company and most 34 00:01:42,484 --> 00:01:44,444 Speaker 1: people who buy the ice cream wouldn't need to know 35 00:01:44,644 --> 00:01:48,044 Speaker 1: or care. Maybe you do care what the owners think. 36 00:01:48,404 --> 00:01:51,284 Speaker 1: You just know them as ice cream makers. But they 37 00:01:51,284 --> 00:01:54,644 Speaker 1: apparently have been involved in many issues climate change, racism, 38 00:01:54,964 --> 00:01:57,884 Speaker 1: They have built a reputation for social activism, and they've 39 00:01:57,884 --> 00:02:00,524 Speaker 1: been arrested at various protests, and I think some of 40 00:02:00,564 --> 00:02:05,204 Speaker 1: their pro Palestinian support has upset Unilever, who stop Stop Stop. 41 00:02:05,604 --> 00:02:09,124 Speaker 1: So Jerry has stepped down because he feels they've been 42 00:02:09,163 --> 00:02:13,164 Speaker 1: silenced from their core ethos that they've been doing since 43 00:02:13,204 --> 00:02:16,564 Speaker 1: the organization began, which was in nineteen seventy eight. 44 00:02:17,204 --> 00:02:20,484 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was way before social media. What's happened 45 00:02:20,524 --> 00:02:22,804 Speaker 2: now on this is I've had this epiphany recently. There 46 00:02:22,844 --> 00:02:25,763 Speaker 2: is so much opinion on social media. Now everyone has 47 00:02:25,764 --> 00:02:29,004 Speaker 2: an opinion. So really, people like Ben and Jerry's in 48 00:02:29,043 --> 00:02:31,084 Speaker 2: the old days used to do the right thing. There's 49 00:02:31,163 --> 00:02:33,644 Speaker 2: enough opinions out there, whether it be left or right 50 00:02:33,803 --> 00:02:37,964 Speaker 2: or centrist, it doesn't matter. But ice cream manufacturers, even 51 00:02:38,043 --> 00:02:41,524 Speaker 2: bans these days, they don't need to use their platform 52 00:02:41,564 --> 00:02:45,323 Speaker 2: to talk about these things because people everyday, people are 53 00:02:45,363 --> 00:02:47,523 Speaker 2: now aware of what's happening socially. 54 00:02:48,284 --> 00:02:50,523 Speaker 3: I wonder if it's the difference is. 55 00:02:50,844 --> 00:02:52,163 Speaker 2: And now it just sounds like a lecture. 56 00:02:52,244 --> 00:02:54,204 Speaker 1: No, But in the old days, in the old days, 57 00:02:54,324 --> 00:02:56,284 Speaker 1: you used to be able to say I'm opposed to this. 58 00:02:56,324 --> 00:02:59,124 Speaker 3: You go fair enough. Now you're opposed to this. Sorry, 59 00:02:59,284 --> 00:03:00,284 Speaker 3: that means you know it. 60 00:03:00,284 --> 00:03:03,083 Speaker 1: We're so divided, and that's what we can no longer 61 00:03:03,163 --> 00:03:06,764 Speaker 1: tolerate an opinion. So Unilever have said we don't like 62 00:03:06,803 --> 00:03:08,124 Speaker 1: your pro Palestinian thoughts. 63 00:03:08,363 --> 00:03:12,564 Speaker 3: You've upset Israeli followers. Therefore, exactly there you go. So 64 00:03:12,603 --> 00:03:14,364 Speaker 3: there's no longer here's my opinion. 65 00:03:14,724 --> 00:03:17,924 Speaker 1: It is my opinion now is upsetting somebody, and you 66 00:03:17,923 --> 00:03:18,523 Speaker 1: cannot have your. 67 00:03:18,844 --> 00:03:21,844 Speaker 2: The very numb of it is Ben and Jerry's make 68 00:03:21,884 --> 00:03:24,924 Speaker 2: ice cream. When they were in an opinion company making 69 00:03:24,923 --> 00:03:28,124 Speaker 2: ice cream, It's like you too, you too. 70 00:03:28,404 --> 00:03:29,804 Speaker 3: Have ice creams terrible. 71 00:03:32,084 --> 00:03:34,844 Speaker 2: They'd have a nice Roman reason. But what I'm saying 72 00:03:34,884 --> 00:03:38,204 Speaker 2: is even you too in itself. Now everyone's tired of 73 00:03:38,404 --> 00:03:41,644 Speaker 2: hearing other people's opinions because we are awash with opinions. 74 00:03:41,803 --> 00:03:44,044 Speaker 2: You look at social media. You don't have to go 75 00:03:44,084 --> 00:03:46,244 Speaker 2: anywhere to hear an opinion. Remember the old days, and 76 00:03:46,244 --> 00:03:46,684 Speaker 2: we're so. 77 00:03:46,724 --> 00:03:49,884 Speaker 3: Immersedose you go there and Maddie and you. 78 00:03:49,803 --> 00:03:52,164 Speaker 2: Could see a Maddie standing in the town square yelling 79 00:03:52,244 --> 00:03:54,243 Speaker 2: out all of them, but you can walk off. But now, 80 00:03:54,363 --> 00:03:57,123 Speaker 2: thanks to the algorithm, and thanks to Elon must taking 81 00:03:57,164 --> 00:04:01,004 Speaker 2: away censorship on x, you get any amount of sewer 82 00:04:01,324 --> 00:04:02,484 Speaker 2: coming out of that post. 83 00:04:02,284 --> 00:04:05,164 Speaker 1: Which is what is because they make more money when 84 00:04:05,164 --> 00:04:08,284 Speaker 1: we lean into fearful opinions. So what you say is right, 85 00:04:08,324 --> 00:04:09,764 Speaker 1: But I think what I say is right as well. 86 00:04:09,803 --> 00:04:11,604 Speaker 1: Of course I'm going to say that it is. Yes, 87 00:04:11,644 --> 00:04:16,644 Speaker 1: we've got too much opinion, but also that opinion somehow 88 00:04:16,724 --> 00:04:20,044 Speaker 1: it's like stroking a cap backwards. Your opinion is hateful 89 00:04:20,044 --> 00:04:22,724 Speaker 1: to me, and therefore we are at odds. It didn't 90 00:04:22,724 --> 00:04:24,764 Speaker 1: just used to be okay, he's got that opinion. 91 00:04:24,924 --> 00:04:25,724 Speaker 3: Now we're at odds. 92 00:04:25,804 --> 00:04:29,004 Speaker 2: It's true, and maybe we'll go back to the twenties 93 00:04:29,084 --> 00:04:31,484 Speaker 2: where everyone has kept their pie hole shut, so people 94 00:04:31,524 --> 00:04:34,084 Speaker 2: talk on into that. Now, I've noticed when you go 95 00:04:34,084 --> 00:04:37,884 Speaker 2: to barbecues and stuff, people are less inclined to talk politically. 96 00:04:37,884 --> 00:04:39,804 Speaker 3: Have you noticed that because we know how to visit 97 00:04:39,804 --> 00:04:40,804 Speaker 3: it because so. 98 00:04:40,804 --> 00:04:44,044 Speaker 2: You don't mention it. So in humankind, when we're face 99 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:47,324 Speaker 2: to face with each other, we're not talking about our opinions. 100 00:04:47,844 --> 00:04:49,644 Speaker 3: Have you seen this thing? This there's two dogs and 101 00:04:49,644 --> 00:04:52,924 Speaker 3: they said, this is what twitter or x is. Two dogs. 102 00:04:53,284 --> 00:04:56,884 Speaker 3: There's a fence. Yep, these Alsatians are barking, bearing their teeth. 103 00:04:58,124 --> 00:04:59,324 Speaker 3: The fence pulls back. 104 00:04:59,644 --> 00:05:04,204 Speaker 1: The two dogs just look at each other, No problem, 105 00:05:04,524 --> 00:05:05,484 Speaker 1: fence closes again. 106 00:05:06,564 --> 00:05:09,164 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what it is. That's a metaph for 107 00:05:09,204 --> 00:05:12,204 Speaker 2: what's happening now. So I think about that when you're scrolling. 108 00:05:12,044 --> 00:05:13,804 Speaker 1: And also think about that when you're buying ice cream, 109 00:05:13,804 --> 00:05:16,284 Speaker 1: because jenn and berries, jen and berries, that's what they 110 00:05:16,324 --> 00:05:19,604 Speaker 1: show a new flavor, jenen berries. Because they're now putting 111 00:05:19,644 --> 00:05:21,284 Speaker 1: out the banana split. 112 00:05:24,644 --> 00:05:27,924 Speaker 3: Okay, kids, step it for today, come back tomorrow for more. 113 00:05:28,084 --> 00:05:30,164 Speaker 2: Jonesy and the man is gutting room for it