1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,319 Speaker 1: My first episode with journalist Rebecca Madden ended on a cliffhanger. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Beck was telling me about the moment she suspected it 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: was perimenopause, when she suffered a comedy of errors while 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: preparing to host the massive AFL Grand Final Eve Lunch 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: to a room full of fourteen hundred mostly men. Her 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: printer wasn't working to print her notes, her stockings ripped, 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: making her late. Just nothing was going right this day. 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Not exactly ideal when you're preparing to present to a 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: room full of powerbrokers and key stakeholders, and it's these 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: little things that on any other given day would be 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: handled with ease, but when you're in the middle of 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: a full blown hormonal hurricane, it's all bets off. Rebecca 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: returns in this final episode of season two of Rage 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: Against the Menopause and shares what happened next. 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: Enjoy menopause. It's coming for you no matter what. Let's 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: build a village of support. Why is it so damn 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: hot in here? Menopause is so hot right now? I 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: think I'm in menopause. 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: Women just want to feel hurt. 20 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: Rage against the menopause. So I go there, I get 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: myself together. I didn't feel great at all. But whatever 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: I get on stage, Da da da da, I'm backstage. 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: It comes to the interview section of the day when 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: I've got Michael voss on stage and somebody else I 25 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: can't recall because I'm perimenopause and I have no memories, 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: so I can't remember that. To go back to my 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: imported on stage, I can't remember, and I say that 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: it's after lunch, and I say to the girl backstage, 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: here's my notes, darling, could you go and put them 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: on my chair. Yes, so she goes and puts them 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: on my chair. But she goes and puts them on 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: my chair in the audience at the table where I 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: was sitting, and I said, I meant I probably wasn't 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: very clear put them on my chair because when I say, 35 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 2: hi everyone, Da da da, I now like to invite 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Michael vossa onto the stage that my notes would be 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: on the chair and I would casually, beautifully, war elegant 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: slide over to my chair, sit down and just get 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: my notes and put them on my lap. I'm on 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: stage fourteen hundred people Da da da da da, and 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: well much of us to the stage, and I go 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: over to my chair and then I see my notes 43 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: are not on my chair. 44 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: God. 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: Now, usually I would just wing it, but I had 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: a series of clips that I had to throw to. 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: God no, so yeah, and these were all last minute. 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: These were just came in sort of the day before, 49 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: so I hadn't sort of memorized them. I needed the 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 2: order of the four or five clips that I was 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: throwing to because it was historical vision and they are 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: all linked up on the computer, so I can't jump around. 53 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: So I sit down and I'm thinking, what what? What 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: world stops? What do I do? I can't remember clip 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: three off the top of my head because also perimenopausal, 56 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: I can't remember anything. 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: So I really. 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: I really rely on my notes. Stay not because I 59 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: don't know the topic, because I have that as a 60 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: brain fog. 61 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the b It's very real and when you're 62 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: in a high pressured situations like you are. 63 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about that, Sipar. We will continue 64 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: on with this story, but I want to talk about 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: how I navigate that this stage of life. So I 66 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: just have to think. This is one time where I'm 67 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: going to have to make a joke of this, and 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, Hi, everybody's so great to be with here. 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: I hope you've had a lovely lunch today. Unfortunately, there 70 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: was a young girl backstage. I think her name was Jess. 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: What I said, could you put my notes on my chair? Now? 72 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: I think my table's over there. I didn't even know 73 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: where my table was. If anybody's sitting on my table, 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: it says Rebecca Madden, and there's some notes sitting on 75 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: her plate or on her chair, would you be able 76 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: to just grab them anyway? Hamish mcgoblin appeared out of 77 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: nowhere up and he's like, I promise I didn't steal there. 78 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: I made a joke of it. Got my note, but 79 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: it wasn't because for the next fifteen minutes, I mean, 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: I was just dying. I'm trying to issue Michael Voss. 81 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: He was fantastic. You know, no one probably would have known. 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: No, they wouldn't. 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: But I want any man who probably won't be listening 84 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: to this podcast to remember that day. And if I 85 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 2: seemed a little bit off, I was really off. It 86 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: was just a day I'd like to forget. And in fact, 87 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: I've got that lunch coming up very soon, So take 88 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: two or three of that lunch you'll see how we go. 89 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was just a day. So the very 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: next day I rang my GP and I made an 91 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: appointment and I went into his office. I'm like, Mark, 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: now is the time I've had an outer body experience. 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody else knew, but I know internally 94 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: I was dying. I had an anxiety slash panic attack. 95 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: I was not holding myself together. It felt an outer 96 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: body experience. It's only because I've done these events so 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: many times that it almost is, you know, repetitious for 98 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: me that I got through. Anybody else I don't think 99 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: maybe would have got through. So I remember that day forever, 100 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: your poor thing. It was so I had my peri 101 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,559 Speaker 2: menopausal moment on stage in front of fourteen hundred men. 102 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: And this is the trouble though, When you do have 103 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: those moments, it's like anything when you're in media, everyone 104 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: knows about Everyone knows when you mispronounce something, when you 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: stuff up, when something doesn't work, when you press the button, 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: everyone knows about it. There's no hiding the fact. It's 107 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: all out there for everyone to see. I know, So, 108 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: what did you do? What did he recommend? What's helped you? 109 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: So I have a marina anyway, So I had that 110 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: covered and he said, here's the I think now is 111 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: right for the estragel. 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: Oh yep, yep. 113 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: So he gave me prescription on that. Within two weeks, 114 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: I felt a lot better. I was sleeping. I failed 115 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: to mention I hadn't been sleeping very well that the 116 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: two o'clock wake ups were so tight, were terrible two 117 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: o'clock wake ups, which led to me being tired, meaning 118 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: I have to perform, meaning I started to probably eat 119 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: to get energy. I'm partial to it, you know, to it. Seriously, 120 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: I'm partial to account of coke. I mean, who drinks coke? 121 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: But some days I'm like, I got to have something 122 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: to get me going. So I was going for all 123 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: of the wrong things. I was going really for sugary things. 124 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: Intern wasn't sleeping, putting on weight, not feeling like myself, 125 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: but then still having to be on TV and looking perfecture. 126 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: So that was probably hard. So there was six months there. 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: I look back on it now, and there was six 128 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: months there that I was really fell into I think 129 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: peri menopause for long. But I got onto it pretty 130 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: quickly after that day, and I feel pretty good now. 131 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: My sleeping has improved so much. I feel pretty normal. Oh. 132 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: Another thing that happened which was terrible my hair. 133 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Oh I remember you're telling me this. I had that 134 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: as well. 135 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: My hair. I've always had quite a lot of beautiful 136 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: hair and yes hair, yes, and it started. I mean 137 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: I have been coloring my hair since I was like 138 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: six downs, so I've been always doing the same things, 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: so I didn't think it should have been a problem. 140 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: All of a sudden it started to snap off. I 141 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: had a patch in the top of my head where 142 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: I looked like Rod Stewart. 143 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: Well, I had a mullet. If I showed you the photo, 144 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: you would not It was disgusting. 145 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: In my hair and my makeup artists were like, what's 146 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: going on? What is happening? And I'm like, oh, hot 147 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: tools on my hand. Yes, And you know, I'm a 148 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: terrible person with my hair. I mean I literally used 149 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: to just wash it and pantin and didn't care. Lets 150 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: I remember it. 151 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Nova, you said once, I said your hair smells good today. 152 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: What do you used? No? 153 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: I think it was pears at the time, eight dollars 154 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: for supermarket stuff. 155 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: Supermarket stuff. So I'm not fancy with any of that. 156 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: Sort of starky, but I am now so we just 157 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: easy like careful, careful, careful. And now that I think 158 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: of gone on you know some HRD reflection on reflection, Yes, 159 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: sort of. It's recovery back and it's recovered, isn't it crazy? 160 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: I actually had to you know how much hair I've got. 161 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of hair. 162 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: Do you know you're going back to pregnancy? You know 163 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: what it does. It goes really thick and then it 164 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: goes really thin. So it only makes sense that going 165 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: through monal. Yeah, yeah, huge. 166 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: I had to get hair extensions at the side, say mullet, 167 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean full on mullet back. I had my hair 168 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: at the side. It's like my near my temples was 169 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: only about like two inches long. It just snapped off. 170 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: It was ridiculous. And I was doing nothing different, No, 171 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: nothing different. I either had to get extend It was disgusting. 172 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: It's like Barbie hair. It was shocking. You were barbing 173 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: and I was Rod Stewart got a combo. 174 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: But it's all these things, isn't it. What about your skin? 175 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: Was your skin okay? 176 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, my skin was okay. But I had sister 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: Gathney when I was twenty so I've sort of been 178 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: I dealt with that. Yeah, I took that, couldn't come 179 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: back again. 180 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: Skins never looked better. 181 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. You look after it though, I'm sort of you. 182 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean I yes, I go to wonderful woman Crystal, 183 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: who's been looking after my skin for a long time. 184 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: But she was She's always saying come back. You need 185 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: to come back more regularly, like I'm not. I'm just 186 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: not good with those. No, And I do have a 187 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: simple routine. I do have clean basic like I have 188 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: good products, yes, but it's not twenty five products. No, 189 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: it's it's the I have two things because I wear 190 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: a lot of makeup, So I do an oil and 191 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 2: then I. 192 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: Do a proper cleans. 193 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it gets all the stuff off and then yeah, 194 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: then I pretty much juster them sometimes and then pretty 195 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 2: much just to moisturize and an crem and that's it. 196 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: And I love that you share it on your Instagram too, 197 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: so other women. Yeah, well that's great. 198 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hope so, but I don't like too 199 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: confusing fifty five products. 200 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: Well, you don't have time that half the time. 201 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's I think there's a fine 202 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: line between too much and too little. 203 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well I don't even exfoliate at the moment. 204 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: It's disgusting. 205 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? 206 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: Well, I just cleanse and moisturize it. I exfoliated last night. 207 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: Did you tell you last time? Did you lose like 208 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: three lots of faces from mere? 209 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: I to get a whole bit off the table. Tell 210 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: me you can I just go, please, I go on 211 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: to the little bit about how I overcome. Yes, I'd 212 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: love to know before we forget. Because we're likely to forget. 213 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: We need somebody in here that's not our age, that 214 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: can remind us of the things we need to do. 215 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: So preparation has always been the key for me, and 216 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: it's hard though with full time job and mum and 217 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: busy life, I don't ever prepare as much as I 218 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: would like to. But now you know, for example, I'll 219 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: use the football as an example. You know, I know 220 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: my stuff. I know what I need when I know what, 221 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: I know what I need to know for the broadcast. However, 222 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: I just don't feel my brain is as sharp as 223 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: it used to be totally. So there is certainly brain fog. 224 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: That seems to be the trendy word to say Yeah, 225 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: does anyone say trendy anymore? I just said a really 226 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: ancient with you. 227 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: You feel like you're losing touch a bit. Yeah, you do. 228 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: And it's the exact same feeling I had after I 229 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: had Ruby and the baby brain same so brain, folks. 230 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: So Ruby was born in April and for the very 231 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: first year Channel nine when I was at Channel nine 232 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: got the rights for the Australian Open tennis and that 233 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 2: was my first big gig in the January after having Ruby, 234 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: and it was all new for Channel nine, and it 235 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: was all new for me. I've never hosted tennis before 236 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: and I actually ended up must have been okay because 237 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: I ended up posting the men's final that year, first 238 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: woman to do so anyway, yay yay. So I remember 239 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: just feeling like it was overwhelming because I'd never done 240 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: it cost of tennis before. But oh, I didn't feel 241 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 2: like my brain was sharp, Like I'd say something or 242 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: I'd see a match the day before and I'd be like, 243 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: oh gosh, who was their opposition? 244 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: What happened? 245 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 2: Anyway? So that's sort of feeling with the baby Braine. 246 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: It feels like it does now. So I just feel 247 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: that I have my notes not because I don't know, 248 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: but they're just my visual prompts and my brain prompts. 249 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely because I have this great fear that I will 250 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: be looking at Chris Scott, the coach of Geelong, who 251 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: I know extremely well. 252 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: Umber One ticketing really well, yes, and I'll be like, so, 253 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: who are you what? North Melbourne? No, hang on ah, 254 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: you're blue and white. Just have that split second that 255 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: you don't feel it's like a being ripped out from 256 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: under you and feeling. 257 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: Like for people that aren't at this stage of life, 258 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: a little bit of jet lag. Yes, maybe that's how 259 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: I could describe it. I just don't feel like usually 260 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: I'm like this and I look at all the men 261 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: around me, and they are sharp, Patrina, they are like this, 262 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: name scores teams, what happened three weeks ago? And I'm like, god, 263 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: I can't even remember what happened yesterday? What is wrong? 264 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: We have been so much on our plates though big like, yes, 265 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: we are moms and we have aging parents and we 266 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: have busy, busy career. Everything's happening at once, Whereas I 267 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: think I think it is fair to say for a bloke, 268 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: they've got one thing to think of at once for 269 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: the most part. 270 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: You know what I think sometimes when I go to 271 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: host football on Thursday nights, and I don't have to 272 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: do this, but I like to do this if I've 273 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: got someone looking after Ruby or you know, I'm prepping 274 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: for football on the Thursday morning, I'm making spaghetti bolonnais, 275 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: so everyone's got something in each. Then I go to work. 276 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: Then I do the four o'clock news, then I do 277 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: the six o'clock news, and then I'm hosting football. So 278 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: I do three jobs in one day and parent and. 279 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Probably thinking at the same time. All did I pack 280 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: Ruby's lunch? I was meant to sign that I need 281 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: to ring mom. 282 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, I forgot to pack her shoes for dance 283 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. And I look at the men 284 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: around me, and I love the men around me, but 285 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: I look at the men around me, and I'm like, 286 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: have you thought about what the family's eating for dinner tonight? No? 287 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: Have you thought about your children's dance shoes? No? Have 288 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: you thought about in a week's time that she's got 289 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: so and so's birthday and brought a birthday present? 290 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: No, it's just too much. Our minds are just too oval. 291 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, we need to put it's all about And 292 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: I think once once I turn fifty, this happened for 293 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: me where I thought, I need to start putting boundaries 294 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: up and learn to start learning to say no. And 295 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: Cheeker in this series Cheeker keeper gorgeous, gorgeous, lovely listen. 296 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: That's the thing for her learning to say no and how. 297 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: And then when you do say no, then there's this 298 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: overriding guilt of not being yes to everyone and letting 299 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: people down. Is that because we're conditioned to be like that. 300 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. 301 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: I am getting a little better at making rules for myself. Yeah, 302 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: so I don't try to load my day up too much. 303 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: There are certain days like Thursdays that are very busy 304 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: to me, but I do say to people, I don't 305 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: answer the phone if I don't need to on a Thursday. 306 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: And because I'm just really busy, I need to get 307 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: places and often I'm traveling for interstate as well. It 308 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: just makes the week. So sure, Yes, so I try 309 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: not to load so I don't go into work. I'm 310 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: obviously on air at seven o'clock at night, so I 311 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: don't start. You know, my day doesn't start at nine o'clock. 312 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: I can do drop off, and usually I've got a 313 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: couple of hours before I go into work. But I 314 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: try to not load my day up too much. Just 315 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: because I have the hours doesn't mean I need to 316 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: fill the hours. And when I say phil, I meant 317 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: doing other things. If I'm at home and I just 318 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: put a load of washing on, or I just get 319 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: myself organized to or dare I say it, have time 320 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: to make my bed, do those things, then that's a 321 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: morning well spent and it's not a wasted morning. And 322 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: I just feel like I got into this job because 323 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: I was working the back end of the day rather 324 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: than the front end of the day. I was loading 325 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: my front end front of the day too much, so 326 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: I was doing a day's work. 327 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: Before you even I'm exhausted by the time you got there. 328 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: And I was thinking, this is silly, This is really silly. 329 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: If I was starting work at nine, I was finishing 330 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: at five. Yeah, you wouldn't be doing anything before nine, 331 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: and the only thing you'd be doing after five is 332 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: making dinner or putting it, you know, and that would 333 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: be at the day of a good day spent. Yeah, 334 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: So I have to I now try to be more 335 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: strict with myself to not load my day up, meaning 336 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm not going for twelve hours. 337 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: At Cameron Tong. It's just too much. Yes, physically and 338 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: mentally agree with that absolutely, because you work interesting hours 339 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: as well. So I'm up at two forty five. Now, 340 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: well you. 341 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: Should be asleep right now, go to bed. But know 342 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: it's terrible, but this is a trap for you as well. 343 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Now that's a really good point, because I do you 344 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: get home and then I don't even barely put my 345 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: bag down, dishwashers on. Don't get me wrong, Chris is brilliant, yeah, 346 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: so straighted, but he's got a busy a busy job. 347 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: He's off with clients or whatever through the day. So 348 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: when I get home, I think, okay, what needs to 349 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: be done. I don't even sit down, do the dishwasher? 350 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: Put teenage daughter wait with the washing peck, oh my god, 351 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: put something on for two minutes, it goes in the wash. 352 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: I have four husbands and four children. 353 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, with the washing's insane. 354 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: Literally, do you know what I've started to do. I've 355 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: just started to wear the same outfit all week because 356 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: at least I can eliminate my clothes. I've just got 357 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: some knickers and a bra. The washing basket is like this, 358 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: it's my section of the washing basket, very tiny. Literally, yeah, 359 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: maybe some workout here, some socks, some Monday's yeah, and 360 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: a bra and that's mine everybody else's. I'm like, what 361 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: I know. 362 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: I know Saturday Ords has these really cool red tracky 363 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: decks that she wanted to wear. 364 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: I just not read because you have to do a 365 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: separate wash for you. 366 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: Yes, red clothes, so it goes on a fifteen minute 367 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: cycle of that'll do anyway. She just got it off cycle. Yeah, 368 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: she got off the clothes horse. And then like that night, 369 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: I see it on the laundry floor and I said, 370 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: hang on, no, I've just that's like processed, and she goes, no, 371 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: I had them on today, mum. So we have a 372 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: laundry shoote oh yes, from the top to the bottom. 373 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: I want one to go the other way. So when 374 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: I get the clothes out at the bottom, I want 375 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: clean clothes to be you know what the supermarkets with 376 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: the money, they put the money in those barrels, and 377 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: that's what you need. The amount of clean clothes that 378 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: I see down the chute, I'm like, I've got dirty's, red, white, 379 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: place colors clean, which is really strange. 380 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: How is t with the washing? Do you trust him? 381 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 2: He always says to me, because I was not complaining. 382 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't mind doing the washing, but it's such a 383 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: four step process. 384 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: The handling. 385 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 2: It's a triple handling, driple handling type of process. He 386 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 2: always offers to do the washing, but I. 387 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: Say, no, I know Chris puts the towels in with 388 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: the You might put like the gray towels in with 389 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: the white T shirts. 390 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: It's like, I'm a bit weird though, Like I would 391 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: not put the tea towels in with the bath with the. 392 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: Oh don't you know you don't iron your twotails or 393 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: anything like that? Do or your face washers? 394 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: No? No, but I don't wash the tea towels the 395 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: food germs with your undies. Oh well, really, I don't 396 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 2: want to dry my dishes with the niggers. I know 397 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: that's ridiculous because they've been washed. 398 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: Whatever works for you? You do you? I say? 399 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: So? Have you seen on my Instagram? I got a dog? Oh? 400 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: I have tell me about that? So cute? 401 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: What is he a groodle? 402 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: Is he a groodle? 403 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: Or is a kovoodle? 404 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: Kovoodle? 405 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: So his name is Rome and he is my second child. 406 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Oh love, I thought. 407 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: So I grew up on a farm. Yeah, and we 408 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: had outdoor dogs, yes, and we had outdoor cats, and 409 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, they were farm dogs. 410 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: Dogs would never come in that. 411 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: Not at alone, not one footstep in the house. Yeah, 412 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And so I thought I would. I 413 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: thought I would implement. 414 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: Those Oh yeah, we all say that hard. Get a dog. 415 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: A dog is not going to come upstairs. So our 416 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: bed just our bedrooms are upstairs. The dog is not 417 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: coming upstairs. Absolutely, no way he's going. I'm going to 418 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: train him to you'll be a good dog bottom of 419 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: the stairs. 420 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: Neck me, how's that going? 421 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: I know we have all these rules. 422 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: Dog will not sit at the table at the dinner 423 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: table when we're eating. 424 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: No, we haven't got that. And there's one couch last night, 425 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: there's one couch he's not allowed on, right, okay. And 426 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: she's a good couch, Yeah, the good couch in the 427 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: good room. And she said, you know, he's working his 428 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: way up to that. She said, she he's got that chair. 429 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: He's there, he's there. She goes, there's only one place 430 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: he can't sit. Tomy, She goes, you know he's going 431 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: to get you. You know he's going to get you. 432 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I have firm rule about the 433 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: good couch. He is. Here's my therapy dog. 434 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great dogs. 435 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: Sits on my lap and I pat him and all 436 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: my troubles. He is adorable. 437 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: And when you've had a bad day and you feel 438 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: like the world's against you, you come home. They're just 439 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: so pleased to see you all the time. 440 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: But Trent's getting very jealous, very jealous dog that about 441 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: do you love the dog more than me? I'm like, 442 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: don't ask. 443 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 1: Chris doesn't even ask. It's like, you love that dog 444 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: more than me? 445 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: But I didn't think I would love it. I mean, 446 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: I I loved animals. I always love it, but we 447 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: just had a different relationship because they were farmer. 448 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: And road horses when you were younger, didn't you, Jim Kna. 449 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: Yep, So I loved horses. Spent much of my life 450 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: riding horses. But this dog trainer stolen your heart. Oh 451 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: my god, I love him. He's just adorable. So anyway, 452 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: that's the new addition to our family. 453 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: And you complete don't you think they complete your family? Yeah? 454 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really do. I mean, my mom has 455 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: had a couple of dogs and they just loved the dog. 456 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: And I really couldn't understand it because Mum's got French 457 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: she's always had a French bulldogs. She don'ts they are 458 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: They're like hadding a brick had all this thing, It's 459 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: like hugging a brick wall. Mum loves him. I wanted 460 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: something a bit more squishyway we got this dog and 461 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: I just adore him. Yeah, he does. He really completes 462 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: our family. Because Ruby is an only child, I thought 463 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: it was really important that she have a relationship with 464 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 2: someone else in our house other than her parents. And 465 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: she does. She adores him and she loves animals so 466 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: much that I thought I can't deny that. No, So 467 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: it was a little bit of an adjustment and we 468 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: got him as a puppy. 469 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: How'd you go with the chewing? Was there a chewing stage? 470 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: He still likes chewing, actually, but if the chewing is 471 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: not the problem, it was the carpet, not the carpet, 472 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: the rug. 473 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: Oh chewing the rugger. 474 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: No weighing on the rock, the w so I should 475 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: have just rolled the rug up. I was really stupid, 476 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 2: but he lulled us into a false sense of security 477 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: because the first few days he was home, he was 478 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: so great. He just went outside and no accidents, and 479 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, it was easy, this is easy. He's 480 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: got I got a perfect baby. Ruby was the most 481 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: amazing baby, and now I've got a perfect say. Anyway, 482 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: he wrecked the rug and we just rolled it up 483 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: and got a new rug. He's been amazing. But the 484 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: only thing he does the toilet roll. 485 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he steals. 486 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: I love it the toilet rolls. I lost three yesterday, 487 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: expensive toilet I lost three toilet rolls just because we 488 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: were home and he was sort of in and out 489 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: of rooms all the time. I don't know, I've only 490 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: got a hold. I've got no shelf in the bathroom. 491 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 2: I don't know where to put the toilet of now 492 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: put the toilet roll on the towel rack. Every time 493 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: I got to the toilet, I have to get the 494 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: roll off the towel rack, and then got the toilet, 495 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: and then I forget. So I got to the toilet, 496 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: I'm busting and I'm like. 497 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: Oh, roads insane. He'll grow out of it, though. 498 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: Can you train a dog not to take the toilet well, 499 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: but he doesn't do anything else wrong. 500 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know he's amazing. Yeah, that's you've got to 501 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: give him something, haven't I got to give him? So 502 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: it's better than the washing. Could you imagine? Both our 503 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: dogs that we've had would rip washing off, which and 504 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: it was only my stuff. And you know it was 505 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: never ever my everyday nickers and bras just you know 506 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: your older bras. It was always my good ones or 507 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: a good pair of shoes. I don't know how they 508 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: know it used to. 509 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,959 Speaker 2: Like Jimmy too. No, he the Jimmy choo shoes. Dogs 510 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: partial doing Jimmy tooo. No, he really never did that, 511 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: which is good. 512 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know that's not too bad. 513 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 514 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: What would your advice be to women going into perimenopause 515 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: or menopause? If you could encapsulate it into like two 516 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: or three points, what would you say to them to 517 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: get through? 518 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: Make sure you have a good doctor. You don't find one. 519 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: A colleague of mine did not have a good doctor 520 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: and she has been denied HRT and they said, no, 521 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: you have to do this, No, no, no, I made 522 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: it so difficult. Doctor Beck said you need to get 523 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: another doctor. 524 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: I get a second opinion. 525 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: Come on, this is ridiculous. And she went to the 526 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 2: second doctor and the doctor almost just had this look 527 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 2: of like, I am so sorry this has happened to you. 528 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: Put her on whatever she needed straight away. What ye 529 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 2: get a great doctor if you don't have one, ask around. 530 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: I just went to a GP. Some people don't feel 531 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: that's enough, but depending on what's going on with you, 532 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: then it worked fine. You know, it might not be 533 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: talk to friends about it, although I still have some 534 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: friends that don't like talking really RELUCTI it's a little 535 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: bit just some some people are just a little bit 536 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 2: more private. 537 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like clearly telling the world can everyone 538 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 1: listen to. But I agree the more people, that's why 539 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: I've done the podcast, the more peatures terrific. Remove the stigma. Yes, 540 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: we talk about getting pregnant and periods just. 541 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: Another part of it, another part of it. So yeah, 542 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: and monitor yourself, I think would be notice those changes 543 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: as I had that big red flag, and then do 544 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: something about it. Don't just dismiss it. 545 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: Glad that you were so quick onto that. No, you 546 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: know what is it? It's self advocating for yourself and 547 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: getting onto it so quick and not if it was 548 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: me I'd probably be like, oh no, you know, just 549 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: letting it lull was the print. Yeah, but you know what, 550 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: you know your body, and you thought, no, this, this 551 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: isn't right. I'm going to something's not right. 552 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: I hadn't been sleeping, so yeah, you know, I sort 553 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: of thought I was getting to it, but that was 554 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: the moment that I thought, nope, Yeah, come on, lady, 555 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: get yourself fut So, yeah, they would be the things, 556 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: but really important to have a great doctor, not just 557 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: for menopause, no, honest, for everything, and to feel her 558 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: family doctor. Yeah, so important. And I know it's so hard, yes, 559 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: and for a lot of people. I know it's very 560 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 2: expensive to have a good one that you pay for, 561 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: but your health. If you don't have your health, you 562 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: have nothing. 563 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: That's so true. 564 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: So if there's one thing that you should if you 565 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: can pay for, and that is good medical advice. And 566 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: if you're not happy with the medical advice, go to 567 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: someone else. Ask your family and friends who they went 568 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: to see, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, monitor yourself and 569 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: just do something about it. Yeah, because we are so slack. 570 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to you don't have I think 571 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: the thing is you don't have to feel that way. 572 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: No, it's it's just. 573 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be perimenopausal or menopausal, but it doesn't 574 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: mean just as you are that you have to feel 575 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: like crap. 576 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: No, prioritize yourself. 577 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: And your health exactly, or go and see Beck Madden, MD. 578 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: But it's an interesting stage of life, isn't it. I 579 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: mean we've been through, you know, getting your period when 580 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: you were fourteen or thirteen or whenever you was, can't remember. 581 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: I remember the day I first got my bras so embarrassing, 582 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: that little triangle bige. Oh yeah, it's a little line 583 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: to fit in one of those, so you know, and 584 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: then you go through that, and then you go through 585 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: your whole life trying not to get pregnant, and then 586 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: you try to get pregnant and you can't get pregnant. 587 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: Then you have a baby, and then you don't have 588 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: your body same body that you did that you did, 589 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: and then you're trying to do that and you're working 590 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: and family and you've got a young baby, and then 591 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: all of a sudden we're at perimenopause and menopause and 592 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: we're thinking, wow, this is amazing. Mean, just flat line, 593 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: I know, go through life like this, and we are. 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean the graph is. 595 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: Yes, it's like an earthquake Richter scale. 596 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: It's like eight point eight on the Richter scale. Constantly, 597 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: it's a constant state of flux. Do you know the secret? 598 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: I don't know in this series, if you've got an 599 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: answer to it, to the age where we. 600 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: Just flat line like the I don't think we ever do. 601 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: And you know what, I don't want to ever flat line. 602 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: I want to have color and light in my lifeline. 603 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: I want it to be constantly changing. Do you know 604 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: what I mean? 605 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be flat lines? Chris say 606 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: the same thing, probably like no, I'm sure he'd like 607 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: me to just calm down a few mongrels, but a 608 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: few notches. But I just know I don't. I don't 609 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: ever want to be flat lined. I couldn't imagine you 610 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: flat line. We're not like that. 611 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: No, But yeah, I don't know. But I think there's 612 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: a there's perhaps a perception about me. I'll go to 613 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: a party or be on this podcast, and I'm quite 614 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: up and about and that's my natural state. However, I 615 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: have a lot of downtime at home. You've got to 616 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: everyone says to me, are we having it, he calls it. 617 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: He goes, we're having a non speaking role today, and 618 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a non speaking role some days, I just. 619 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very quiet at home. I'm not at all 620 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: like I am on air. No, Chris is the one 621 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: that is the life of the party, not me. I'm 622 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: actually very very square. 623 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: You know why, because you put all of your energy 624 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: into the show. 625 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm brain dead by the time I can and 626 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: then then you're done. But it's also I think a 627 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: place where you feel comfortable to be yourself, so you're home, 628 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: so you can just go within, don't have to. 629 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: Dazzle sparkles through life. True, so enormous personality and while 630 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 2: I am perfect example, I will go to a party, 631 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: I'll be there for two hours. I'll be like no, no, no, no, 632 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 2: and then I'm like I'm out. Yes, Yeah, Like I short, 633 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: so short, Furst. 634 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,959 Speaker 1: Maybe your bursts might get do you think shorter? 635 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: Maybe? 636 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: I hope not. May I hope not. 637 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 638 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: Rebecca Maddam, I adore you so much. 639 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: The end is it? 640 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: It is? I'm sure you've got far more important things 641 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: to do. 642 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: No new TV megastar, No, not really, Thanks for having 643 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 2: me on even though I was guest number twenty two. Patrina, 644 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: Now listen, yes number twenty two. 645 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: No, come on, don't you like that? I love you 646 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: very much. Keep you being you and thank you doing 647 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: what you do. 648 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. I'll be looking forward to retirement now, 649 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: won't we all. 650 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this second season of my podcast 651 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: as much as I've had in creating it. Women are 652 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: feeling more empowered hearing the lived experiences of others. Know 653 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: that you don't need to keep silent, and that you're 654 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: not alone in this Start putting yourself first. It's okay 655 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: to say no every now and then. I know it's 656 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: hard to achieve. Please tell everyone about my podcast, Rage 657 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: Against the Menopause. Series one and two is out now. 658 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. I'm Petrina Jones, Rage Against the Menopause.