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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer, tend health coach,

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dogmam. On the Rise and

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Speaker 1: Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,

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Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who

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Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,

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Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,

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Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.

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Speaker 1: Are you with me? Your friends? Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Rise and Kunker podcast. Today

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Speaker 1: we are chatting to better being Steph who is a

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Speaker 1: wellness blogger with a powerful influence in the online health space.

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Speaker 1: Having recovered from an eating disorder and dealt with anxiety

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Speaker 1: and depression, her raw and honest voice has captured many

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Speaker 1: who relate to a mental and physical health journey, as

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Speaker 1: well as having the most delicious recipes and healthy eating ideas.

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Speaker 1: Despite investing a lot in her Instagram, Steph's full time

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Speaker 1: job is a marketing manager for New Shoe Foods. She

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Speaker 1: uses her Instagram as a side hustle to build her

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Speaker 1: own name and work with numerous leading Australian health and

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Speaker 1: fitness brands in her spare time. Today we are chatting

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Speaker 1: all about overtraining, orthorexia, how to find out what foods

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Speaker 1: bloat you, how to get your period back, plus so

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Speaker 1: much more. I am so excited to get into this episode.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Hi, Stef, how are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you? How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Thank you, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on the podcast, Thanks for having me low problem. So

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Speaker 1: something that I ask all my interviewees, what is something

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Speaker 1: big or small that you are conquering this week?

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Speaker 2: Oky? So this week I am pretty much working alone

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Speaker 2: in the office while my boss is away, so I'm

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Speaker 2: taking on a lot more responsibility in my full time job. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I'm up for the challenge. But when a whole business

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Speaker 2: nerve wracking. But I'm ready for it a lot.

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Speaker 1: So because I've already introduced you in the intro and

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Speaker 1: talked about how you do the Instagram and work full

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Speaker 1: time at Nushu Foods. And so you're the marketing manager there,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I've just become full time marketing manager here.

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Speaker 1: How good? And so what sort of other task you're

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Speaker 1: taking on this week that you're rising up and conquering

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Speaker 1: just thinks.

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Speaker 2: Like orders and logistics and accounting and all the bits

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Speaker 2: and peoples. Yeah, it's I wear many hats in this job.

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Speaker 1: No, that's awesome. Well, good luck to You'll go smoothly

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Speaker 1: fingers crossed. Okay, so let's get straight into it. I

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Speaker 1: thought I would start this interview just like a bit

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Speaker 1: know you tan bit more. Ye, So what is your

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Speaker 1: favorite food that you cannot live without?

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Speaker 2: Oats?

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Speaker 1: I feel like I should know this from your.

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Speaker 2: Friend, like, oh, queen, I swear you are.

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Speaker 1: No, that's amazing. I do feel you on that. What's

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Speaker 1: your favorite toppings with your oats?

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Speaker 2: It has to be a nut butter. At the moment,

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Speaker 2: I'm loving my almond butter and then some.

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Speaker 1: Froat, nice classic. I know Steph has like the most

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Speaker 1: amazing oat recipe. So if you want that, go to

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Speaker 1: her blog it is. Yeah, it's to die for. So

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Speaker 1: what is your current favorite go to healthy snack? I

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Speaker 1: one person snacks. Yeah, fusier. So what's your go to

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Speaker 2: I just made yesterday it was like a single serve brookie,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I absolutely loved it. It was like

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm definitely going to go to your Instagram

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Speaker 2: This is something that I've only like just started paying

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Speaker 2: at the moment, I wake up pretty early, normally around

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Speaker 2: I am loving Headspace app at the moment. Yep, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: listen to him for hours. I try and drink a

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Speaker 1: something new I'm trying to do in my mornings too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard because I don't often crave just

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Speaker 2: normal water in the mornings. I don't know, I just

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Speaker 2: I need to write it down.

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Speaker 1: I find like I get everything on paper, I know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had to again, like you, I had to

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Speaker 1: Reduce it to like three to four times a week,

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Speaker 1: and that is it, otherwise you're going to go backwards.

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Speaker 1: And even her telling me that, like, it took me

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the thing. You need that kind of outsider

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Speaker 2: looking in. It's hard as well because looking at all

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Speaker 2: team no days off, and.

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Speaker 1: I would just had to say hashtag no days off.

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Speaker 2: And it's just like to try and rewire your entire

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Speaker 2: It's taken me forever. Even now, some days I leave

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Speaker 2: did I train hot enough? You just doubt yourself, But

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Speaker 2: of just yeah, train a more sustainable right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I couldn't agree more. And something that I found,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I guess it's kind of just finding that

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And also I find it's sometimes a

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Speaker 2: Probably one of the biggest battle for me is like

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Speaker 2: I have to I have to do it like daily

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Speaker 2: that's something I definitely have to do each day to

439
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 2: kind of keep myself on the right power path.

440
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So what is your sort of definition of orthorexia?

441
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: For me, it would be like just an obsessive Yeah,

442
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: obsessively wanting to be healthy kind of taking things like

443
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: clean eating and training hard to the extreme, kind of

444
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: being obsessed with keeping things pure and everything has to

445
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: be rigid and structured.

446
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's why I think it's so easy

447
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: for these sorts of things to go unnoticed because I

448
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: feel like in the health space and on social media,

449
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily frowned upon.

450
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, especially like even now, trying to get across

451
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: a really honest picture of balanced and even preaching balance

452
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: can sometimes be completely like flawed by so many like

453
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: obsessive behaviors and stuff.

454
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: M yeah, one hundred percent, And so what is some

455
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: habits and behaviors that you previously had, like when you

456
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: were in that orthoroxic period, and how have you sort

457
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: of counteracted them now?

458
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: Again, it was a lot of things that I thought

459
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 2: were completely healthy, things like really strict meal times. I

460
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: remember I used to absolutely have like meltdowns if I

461
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: didn't have my dinner by six pm or I had

462
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 2: to stop eating it this time before bed. Things like

463
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: macro counting, which is something I'm still doing at the moment,

464
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: but for so long it was really not at all

465
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: serving me, and it was a way for me to

466
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: kind of just maintain that control, but not for the

467
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: right reasons at all. And even with that, I completely

468
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: admit that counting macro's is something I need to be

469
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: letting go pretty soon. Things like I used to hate.

470
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: I still struggle with this one as well. Sitting down

471
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: for long periods of time. I remember I used to

472
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: read about how often other people would get up and

473
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: stand up and doing this many steps to day and

474
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: things like that, and I would take that just to

475
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: the extreme. So with so many things that you see

476
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: being prescribed to other people as healthy habits and putting

477
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: in your routine, but it's just I think the extent

478
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: to which you apply it to your life is where

479
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: it's damaging or not.

480
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: These healthy habits, which you know people talk about and

481
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: are really healthy habits, but taking them to the extreme.

482
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and letting them consume you. Like for the average

483
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: person being told you have to walk ten thousand steps

484
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: a day, if they don't hit it, they move on

485
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: to the next day and try their best next day.

486
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: But when you're in that orthorexic state of mind, you

487
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: will be out walking at ten pm at night to

488
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: get those stecks in, like nothing's going to stop you.

489
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually so funny you say that. I saw

490
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: on someone's story the other day, and I guess this

491
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: is different because this girl is like she's competing in

492
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: a body physique competition. But she was like, oh, I

493
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: didn't get my steps in, and she filmed herself like

494
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: just running on the spot in front of the mirror,

495
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: and I just thought, I get you know, she's competing,

496
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: so she you need to be precise, but that sort

497
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: of thing. But I thought in reality, like, yeah, if

498
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get my steps in, I wouldn't run on

499
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: the spot or anything like that. Like that is definitely

500
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: like extreme behavior. But my first thought is I hope

501
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: people aren't watching that thinking that's what they should do

502
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: if they don't get their steps.

503
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the hard thing. It's that especially when

504
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who are competing or prepping

505
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: on social media. And I love watching people's journey like

506
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 2: I love me too. Yeah, how much hard work people

507
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: put into prep for these kind of things. But I

508
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: think it's hard as well. A lot of the coaches

509
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: out there who are coaching people in competition prep trying

510
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,959
Speaker 2: to apply those same standards to the general population, and

511
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: it's a completely different set of rules need to be

512
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: applied for two scenarios.

513
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: That's definitely like one of the issues I have. I

514
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: like you said, I love watching people's journey in the

515
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: fitness competition sort of space, and I love that bit.

516
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: Something that just sort of grinds my gears is when

517
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, they show their journey, but it's like they

518
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: almost need to remind their audience that what they're doing

519
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: is for a specific outcome and body and it's a sport,

520
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: Whereas I feel like, sometimes, like you said, it almost

521
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: gets a bit blurred and people get in their head

522
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: that that's what they should be doing. Was in reality,

523
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: like it's not. Again, that is like an extreme behavior

524
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: because of a specific sort of outcome. But I feel

525
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: like sometimes it's not really shown that, hey, no, I'm

526
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: doing this for a competition, and people see it as

527
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, that person's just so healthy. I want

528
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: to be like them. I'm all about showing your journey

529
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But I think it's almost

530
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: like we need to remind people on social media that

531
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: that is for a specific outcome and sport, rather than

532
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: thinking they should do it as a normal person.

533
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Exactly, and even just some honesty in terms of like

534
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: I don't know when I first joined Instagram and I

535
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: hadn't had my period, and I remember no one was

536
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: really talking about it on Instagram at all, and I

537
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: had all like my doctors and specialists saying to me,

538
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: you know, you don't have it because you're too lean,

539
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: your body fat's too low. And I used to just

540
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: look at all these pictures of girls whose body fats

541
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: were way lower than mine, and I would just I

542
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: hadn't no realization that they could be suffering hormonal issues

543
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: as well because no one was talking about it, And

544
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: I just feel like, so unfair. How come I've lost

545
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: mine and they don't have any obvious issues. I'm glad

546
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: it's something that's kind of changing, Like this has been

547
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: a huge shift I think on social media with people

548
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: kind of bringing to light more issues like orthorexia and

549
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: hormonal issues and a lot of the stuff that is

550
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: kind of underneath the whole healthy facade and everything.

551
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I know, I couldn't agree more. That's actually

552
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: like my friend who is competing, like she will tell

553
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: you and her audience on social media, like, you know,

554
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: the last four or so weeks of competing, she'll say, hey,

555
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: this actually isn't healthy, like the extremes I go to,

556
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: which I think just being transparent and very honest about

557
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: the process and about the things you experience and all

558
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, just starting the conversation is really

559
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: kind of where we need to be going exactly.

560
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is I think the main reason why I

561
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: love having my Instagram is that for me It's like

562
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: a way to be honest with myself as well, because

563
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: I think the more you're try and kid to other

564
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: people that you're healthy, you're actually really just fooling yourself

565
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: into thinking that everything's okay. And I think if you

566
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: can be honest with saying to yourself, well, I am

567
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: training really hard, but I also am suffering in these

568
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: ways and perhaps this isn't very healthy of me to

569
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: be doing. I think the more you are insightful with

570
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: yourself that that's happening, the more you kind of catch

571
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: yourself out, may it changes.

572
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: Because it is easy to almost trick yourself into thinking that, oh, no,

573
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: this is healthy, it's all good sort of thing exactly.

574
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to call myself out on my own

575
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: bullshit so many times.

576
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I love that you do it on social media too.

577
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things about your account.

578
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: Thank you and.

579
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you were just like fully don on the post,

580
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: and like I have been obviously following your journey for

581
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: a long time, and I'll sort of think about it

582
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, It's like it's like

583
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: refreshing because it then makes me think about myself and

584
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: just it's almost like a check in. So I love

585
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: that you're doing that. You're doing amazing things on Instagram.

586
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So you just about how you lost your period.

587
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: I personally lost my period myself for around like maybe

588
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: eight to fifteen months, and it was when I was nineteen,

589
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: so it was a while back now, and again, like

590
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: you said, it was at a time when no one

591
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: really was talking about it. And so I lost my

592
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: period and I went to the doctor and my doctor

593
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: actually said, oh, you're probably just exercising too much, but

594
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: he didn't really seem to care too much, and I

595
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: just thought, oh, okay, And to be honest, like when

596
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: he said it, I was almost uh. And this was,

597
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: like I've said to my audience previously, I did have

598
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: some authoroxic tendencies. And when he said it, I was

599
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: almost impressed with myself because I was like, oh, you know,

600
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm training really hard, which now I think back is ridiculous.

601
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: So I lost it and it took a lot of

602
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: work and lifestyle changes to get mine back. So I

603
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: just want to talk about you. I know, you haven't

604
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: got yours back. Yeah, is that correct?

605
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct.

606
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: And so I just want to talk about what are

607
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the sort of lifestyle changes that you had been making

608
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: to get it.

609
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: Back, I've had to change quite a lot. Obviously. For me,

610
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: I had to address my training intensity number one. That

611
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: was probably the main thing always holding me back. Getting

612
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: a coach and kind of stripping back my training from

613
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: doing two sessions a day, six times a week to

614
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: now strength training five days a week.

615
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Did you go cold Turkey with that?

616
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Pretty much? Cold Turkey? I tried to convince my coach.

617
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: I was like, can I just kick one hit session

618
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: a week? But I'm glad I had to go cold

619
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: Turkey because I think the more I made excuses for myself,

620
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: the more I've just prolot it. And I got to

621
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: a point where it's been eight years now since I've

622
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: had my period. It's kind of like I'm twenty five now.

623
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to wait and keep holding myself back

624
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: to going cold Turkey. It just it had to happen.

625
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: It was hard, I hated every second of it, but

626
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: I had to do it. Obviously, keeping my intake and

627
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: my food intake up has been another thing. I'm the

628
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: kind of person who can fall into like I can

629
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: go out without eating sometimes isn't the best for my body.

630
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: So kind of keeping an eye on my nutrition, increasing

631
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: my intake of healthy fats. But I think the so.

632
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: You increased your intake of healthy fats because that helps

633
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: with hormone repairs that correct.

634
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just hormone balance and everything, especially for females. It's

635
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: a hard one because I know I get asked a lot.

636
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: People will say, well, if I have to increase my

637
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: healthy fats, should I luwer my calves? But in all

638
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: of you need an adequate amount of all the macros.

639
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: So, and do you agree that usually if you've lost

640
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: your period, you're probably not eating enough anyway.

641
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: It's like.

642
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: Your food overall, So increasing your fats might be like

643
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: exactly what you need because obviously it all increase calories exactly.

644
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because all the healthy fats are pretty calorie dans,

645
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: so if you can bump them up, you can bump

646
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: your calories up a lot more easily.

647
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: And just quickly. What are the sort of healthy fats

648
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: that you started, including.

649
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: Things like more avocado and nuts, nut butters, actually cooking

650
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: with oil something that I never used to do. I

651
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: love having like salmon now. I used to always to

652
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: have my white fish kind of just little like I

653
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: feel like fats are a natural, like, it's actually a

654
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: really easy thing to put into your diet without worrying

655
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: about too much, Like sprinkling some seeds on your salad,

656
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: kind of just little ways that you can put it

657
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: in without freaking yourself out by eating a substantially bigger meal.

658
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: That's my like, that's the way I prefer to do it.

659
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, so you're saying you addressed your overtraining, you

660
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: increase your healthy fats, and you increase your sort of

661
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: meal times. Is there anything else that you're doing to

662
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: get your monthly back?

663
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: So the other thing that I've definitely decided I needed

664
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: to address was mental stress because I actually lost my

665
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: period just before I even kind of fell into the

666
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: grips of my eating disorder. And it was during HC

667
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: year so final year exams in year twelve, and I

668
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: just had put a lot of pressure on myself and

669
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: I think worked myself up into such a state of

670
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: like anxiety that that's when I actually lost it. So

671
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: for me, I think, no matter, you know, no matter

672
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: how many changes I make to my training and my nutrition,

673
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: if internally I'm still like harboring a lot of stress

674
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: or anxiety, it's not going to come back. So for

675
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: me creating like a more peaceful in a state of mind,

676
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: manifesting a bit more positivity. For so long, I kind

677
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: of just told myself what, it's never going to come back,

678
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: like there's nothing I can do. And this year, I'm like, no,

679
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: I need to start telling myself, this is a year

680
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: it's going to come back. Yeah, just kind of like

681
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: putting that energy out there, being a bit more patient

682
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: with myself and a bit more loving and kind to

683
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: myself because I think at the end of the day,

684
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: I need be happier on the inside for my body

685
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: to kind of be like, Okay, she's in a better place.

686
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: We can kind of kick start things again.

687
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so what are specific things? I know you

688
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: kind of addressed it a bit, like in regards to

689
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: your stress levels. How do you sort of deal with stress?

690
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: I have to, forcibly kind of make myself to take

691
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: time out. I've finally tried to start having like a

692
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: bath every second night, trying to get off my phone

693
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 2: a bit and read hang out with friends more as well.

694
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: Especially I'm probably you'll relate to this as well as

695
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: someone who if I have a lot of work to

696
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 2: get done, I have to do my work, and I

697
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: kind of just want to tick off as many things

698
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: as I can get done. And I have a huge

699
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: list of things to do, and I get to the

700
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: of the day and I'm like, I actually didn't take

701
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: a second for myself. Yeah, I got a lot done,

702
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: but I don't feel very productive or at peace. So

703
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: I kind of try and like, throughout my week, kind

704
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: of put in things that aren't necessarily productive in the

705
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: sense of work or making money, but make me feel better,

706
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: go out with friends and make me laugh, go out

707
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: for dinner. I don't know, just factoring in those little

708
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: moments of me time.

709
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: I love that you said that. That's actually something that

710
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: I realized and something I'm really working on this year

711
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: is I'm that person where I schedule in like everything,

712
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: and my day is very scheduled and structured. But I

713
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: realized I would only ever schedule stuff in that had

714
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: to do with work or making money and that sort

715
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: of side of things, and so I would always get

716
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: those things done. But a big sort of shift that

717
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: I had to make was actually scheduling in like self love,

718
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: self care, hanging out with friends. And I know that

719
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: may sound weird to someone to actually have to shed

720
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: in stuff like that, but I literally do Otherwise for me,

721
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen. And I could go like weeks

722
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: without actually giving myself some really like proper time or

723
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: even my friend's time, and it's almost like I just

724
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: like forget.

725
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm the exact same. Like even last night, I like

726
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: started moisturizing myself, and I was like, I should be

727
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: doing this every day. Why have I had to like

728
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: schedule in a specific time to put some moisturizer on myself?

729
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: Like all these all the things that some people effortlessly

730
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: do throughout the day. I think when you're like a

731
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: type a perfectionist or anything like that, it's those kinds

732
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: of the things that you kind of just slipped the

733
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 2: side as not being important. And even now I still

734
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: convince myself again, oh this isn't I don't have time

735
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: for this, And then I wonder why I don't feel

736
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: good later on kind of realizing that all those little

737
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: small daily habits really do you build up and you've

738
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: got to give them some attention and put some time

739
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: aside for those if you want to make the progress

740
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: that you want.

741
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: M that's even like I struggle with you know when

742
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: you're doing something and you know if it's for you.

743
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: For a long time, in my head, I would be thinking, oh,

744
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, I could be working with this time, or

745
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: I could be getting ahead. Like for me, it was

746
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: always about all I wanted to do was like get

747
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: ahead and do more work, and I'd almost feel guilty

748
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: for like giving myself or even my friend's time when

749
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: I could be you know, working. And it took a

750
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: and I know that probably sounds ridiculous, but it took

751
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: a while for me to like sort of push that

752
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: down and be like, no, I deserve this, I'm worth this.

753
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: And when I sort of made that shift, it made

754
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: like everything so much better because now you know, that

755
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: may pop in my head sometimes, but it's like the

756
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: voices getting less and less, and I'm really appreciating the

757
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: time that I give myself.

758
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: And that's it. I think you notice more that your

759
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: work actually starts reflecting a lot more like happiness, and

760
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: you get more out of your work when you've taken

761
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 2: those moments to step away from your work, one step

762
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: back to step forwards.

763
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Always yes, And I always find like if I give

764
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: myself some time and I like set myself up ready

765
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: for that day, I'm a lot.

766
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: More productive exactly.

767
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, Okay, now I just want to shift the

768
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: gears again. And when I posted on the Rise and

769
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: Conquer podcast that I was interviewing you, I had a

770
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: couple of questions from my audience for you, and I

771
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: just want to go through them because they were really great,

772
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: And so I had a lovely girl ask like, what

773
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: is your opinion on being like on social media while

774
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: recovering from an eating disorder?

775
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: I love this question because it's something that like I

776
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: always think to myself, you know, how would my recovery

777
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: been different perhaps if I hadn't been on social media?

778
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: And that's one of those things that there's so many

779
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: pros and cons. Like for me, I think social media

780
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: was great in terms of finding people who I could

781
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: relate to or who were going through similar things, because

782
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: for so long I thought I was completely alone in

783
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: what I was going through, and I kind of could

784
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: hide away from actually owning up to my recovery. But

785
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: the minute that you start being honest about it, everyone's

786
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 2: kind of watching you, and if you take a few

787
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: step backwards, everyone sees it. But obviously, at the same time,

788
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: having all those eyes on you comes with a lot

789
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: of negatives, and there's a lot of pressure, and people

790
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: always have something to say about what you're doing, especially

791
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: because I feel like recovery is such a personal thing

792
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: and everyone's journey looks a little different, and so when

793
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: you're putting up your own journey to recovery on such

794
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: a public forum, there's always going to be people who

795
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: don't that feel like how you're choosing to recover, or

796
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: don't think you are recovering, so you get a lot

797
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: of negative feedback as well. I don't know, it's a

798
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 2: hard one as well. I think even people who aren't

799
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: necessarily using social media like I am, in terms of

800
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: a platform, just kind of like passive watches on social

801
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: media when you're recovering. I feel like that's when it's

802
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: kind of a trap, because if you're not using it

803
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: to keep yourself accountable and you're kind of just using

804
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: it to kind of see how other people are doing things,

805
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: you never really learn how to do it your own way.

806
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: And it could sort of be difficult because if you

807
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: see someone recovering a certain way and that's not necessarily

808
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: the way you're recovering, you could feel guilty or inadequate,

809
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: whereas you are really recovering, you're just you know, finding

810
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: your own way exactly.

811
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, even I've recently fallen into the trap, like

812
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: back to like getting my period back and stuff. I

813
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: was looking at all these girls doing things like completely

814
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: cutting out exercise and eating a certain amount of calories

815
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: every day and going completely like absolute cold turkey and exercise,

816
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: and I started doubting what I was doing, and I

817
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: had people messaging me being like, maybe you should just

818
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: stop exercising altogether. And it just it made me doubt

819
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: a lot of what I was doing, and I undermined

820
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: a lot of the hard work I've put in to

821
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: get to where I am now. And I kind of

822
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: just had to take a step back and go, you know,

823
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: that's what they're doing for their recovery. I'm going to

824
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: do it this way for me and see how it works,

825
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't, then I'll change something up. Yeah.

826
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: I think it's also being self aware enough to know

827
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: if social media is really affecting you, or like you said,

828
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: you're sort of just using it for inspiration or opinions

829
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff, or if you're reliant and

830
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: it really affects how you feel or how you then put,

831
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, steps into place. And that's thing. I think

832
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: it's just about being self aware because I definitely know

833
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: there was a period sort of when I was getting

834
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: over a couple of issues where I had to unfollow

835
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot of accounts because even if that person didn't

836
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: necessarily put something up to make me feel a certain way,

837
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: I just knew I would, you know, see a specific

838
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: post or a specific sort of body and it would

839
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: really get to me and it would almost like I'd

840
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: have a bad day because of it, or i would

841
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going backwards. So I had to make

842
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: that be self aware about it and make the decision

843
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: of unfollowing that person or something like that.

844
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Like the one thing that's good

845
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: about like Instagram is that essentially you're in control of

846
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: what goes on your feed and what you see when

847
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: you're scrolling through it. Like at least once a month,

848
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: I think I do a couple of people I'm following

849
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: because I'm like, if I finished scrolling through my phone

850
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: and put it down and I've got that uneasy feeling

851
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: in the pit of my stomach that I don't know

852
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: something I've seen has kind of made me doubt myself

853
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: or feel a bit off. I think, then obviously I

854
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: need to change what I'm looking at, because that's not

855
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: how social media should be making you feel. Filling it

856
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: with as many like positive accounts, you come away from

857
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: it feeling better about yourself. I think it's just constantly

858
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: trying to edit what you see on social media so

859
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: that you're kind of only seeing what serves you. It

860
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: is the best way to do it.

861
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I do the exact same way.

862
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: I do a bit of a cull, So yeah, I

863
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: love that you do it. And that's the thing is.

864
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: I think also sometimes you'll have people or accounts where

865
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: they serve you for a certain amount of time and

866
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: then it's almost like I think, being okay with pivoting

867
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: and then you know, maybe they don't or you know,

868
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: maybe you're not into certain sort of thing you were following,

869
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: and then being okay with that.

870
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I feel like you can't feel bad if

871
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you don't want to see someone's

872
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: journey anymore or you need to and follow them, because

873
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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, you've got

874
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Speaker 2: to just guard your own energy and heart so much more,

875
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Speaker 2: and if something's just throwing you off, it's really not

876
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Speaker 2: worth being polite and following that page.

877
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Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, exactly, Let's just do some last questions. I

878
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Speaker 1: know that you went through some stages where you found

879
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Speaker 1: about certain foods that were not working well with your body.

880
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: I knew you had some stomach issues and just some

881
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: different issues. How does someone go about like understanding or

882
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: recognizing if a certain food does not work well with

883
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Speaker 1: their body.

884
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Speaker 2: I love this question as well, because it's something that

885
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to figure out myself. I've had to,

886
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: I swear, I've had such a journey with my stomach

887
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: and my gut and trying to figure out what works

888
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: for me and what doesn't, because again, it's very easy

889
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: to convince yourself that your favorite foods are working really

890
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: well for you, when really those things that you're eating

891
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: every day is why not feeling good every day?

892
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

893
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: So I had to start keeping like a little journal.

894
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: I think I was using it for like almost a month,

895
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Speaker 2: and I would write down everything I ate in the day,

896
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: and then kind of after each meal, write down a

897
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: few notes. Did I feel bloated, did I feel lethargic?

898
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Speaker 2: Did I have cramps or anything like that. And when

899
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: I did have like a negative kind of reaction or

900
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: feeling after eating, I'd kind of highlight it, and then

901
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: I'd look back and try and find patterns, Like every

902
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 2: day I ate mushrooms, I felt crap afterwards, So maybe

903
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: that's not something that's working for me.

904
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Speaker 1: Constantly being curious.

905
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and not being afraid to change things up because

906
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: I am such a creature of habit and when I

907
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: want to eat something every day, I do and kind

908
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: of just trust that maybe I do need to give

909
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: this a chance and cut it out for a bit

910
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: and try something else again. It's one of those things

911
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: that I don't recommend looking at what other people are

912
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: cutting out or changing up in their diets because I

913
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: know I've done the whole thing where I've been like, right,

914
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Speaker 2: I must be gluten tolerant, I need to cut out

915
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: or gluten or seeing certain people aren't eating these foods

916
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Speaker 2: on the FOD map scale, so maybe I should cut

917
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Speaker 2: those out when really that they're fine for me. I

918
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: think everyone has completely different food triggers and things that

919
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: work for them and what don't, so kind of just yeah,

920
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: constantly checking in with yourself and giving it some attention,

921
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Speaker 2: but not dwelling on it so much after you eat.

922
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: I think that's another thing that people are getting a

923
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: bit too caught up in terms of figuring out what

924
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: food works for them and what doesn't. Is that you

925
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: eat a meal and then you're just sitting waiting for

926
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: something bad to happen, and you put yourself under so

927
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: much stress that, of course then you feel crap because

928
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Speaker 2: you like work your body up into such a state

929
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Speaker 2: that it's not actually digesting things properly anyway.

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Speaker 1: Actually something because I went through something similar and sort

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Speaker 1: of two points that I'll just add to that is

932
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Speaker 1: I realized that for me, it was a big thing

933
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Speaker 1: to comprehend that. You know, when you're eating healthy foods,

934
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Speaker 1: you're like, no, this couldn't be upseting my stomach, Like

935
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Speaker 1: you know, it's so like realizing that it's not necessarily

936
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Speaker 1: if it's healthy or you know, inverticom it's unhealthy. It's

937
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: just about food is food, and yeah, like you said,

938
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Speaker 1: some food may not work with your body. That was

939
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: like a big thing I had to overcome.

940
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Speaker 2: It was kind of learning that there's no good and

941
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: bad foods, but there's foods that make you feel good

942
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: and foods that don't make you feel good and kind

943
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: of using that more as a scale of what you

944
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: should be eating instead.

945
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: Yes, I was exact same. And then yeah, another thing,

946
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: like you said, just because someone else, like I got

947
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: a bit caught up in the whole paleo trend and

948
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, like I wouldn't eat oats and all this

949
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: sort of stuff because you see all this information and

950
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: you get a bit consumed with it, whereas I then,

951
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: and like also the gluten free thing, and then I

952
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: realized I was like, Nope, actually I can eat these

953
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: things and they actually work really well with my body,

954
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: and like you said, doing the experiment on your body

955
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: and trying to you know, listen to your body, listen

956
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: to your buy feedback, rather than just looking at someone

957
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: else and being like, oh, they cut that out, I'll.

958
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: Do that exactly. Yeah, it's such a personal journey as well,

959
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: and I think people like definitely take inspiration or see

960
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: that other people are working out what works for them

961
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: and what doesn't, but don't just try and completely copy

962
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: what they're doing. Because if I copied everything that I

963
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: saw on Instagram that was working for other people, I

964
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: would be an absolute mess.

965
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Speaker 1: Yes, agreed, and I've definitely been through that. Okay, great,

966
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Speaker 1: so let's just wrap things up. I'm so excited about

967
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: your new ebook coming out, like you just have the

968
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: best recipe, So tell us a little bit about it

969
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Speaker 1: and when should we expect it.

970
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: So I am finally coming out with an e book

971
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Speaker 2: that I promised myself I would come out with like

972
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: two years ago, and I never did because I obviously

973
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: love creating recipes and I love coming up with new

974
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: little recipe creations and ideas. So I decided that I

975
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: wanted to put them all into one place for myself

976
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: and for everyone else to kind of just have a

977
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Speaker 2: little like database of healthy treats. So I've given myself

978
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Speaker 2: a tentative deadline of April to have it ready, and

979
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have probably about sixty recipes in there,

980
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: mainly sweets because that's my thing, but I'll put in

981
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 2: some savory ones in there as well, single serve recipes,

982
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: there'll be some small batch recipes, big batch recipes, kind

983
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Speaker 2: of just a mixture of everything, but it'll all be

984
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: kind of that healthy alternative, enjoy your food kind of

985
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: treat stuff.

986
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Speaker 1: I love that and something I also love about your account,

987
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Speaker 1: and I'm kind of similar in the way of you know, like,

988
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Speaker 1: you know, I have a recipe ebook and you'll bring

989
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: out a recipe ebook. But something I do really try

990
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: and tell my audiences, hey, yeah, you know, I've got

991
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: these recipes where they're gluten free, refined, sugar free, vegan

992
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. But I do try

993
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: and let my audience know that, hey, it's okay to have,

994
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, the real thing and not to always eat

995
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: in this way where it has to be this sort

996
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: of thing. But having that balance.

997
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Speaker 2: That's it. It's these like healthier alternatives aren't replacements for

998
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: your favorite treats. So it's like you can still have

999
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: your treats. But if you're looking for something to have

1000
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: every single day, or if you just want to have,

1001
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 2: you know, balance those unhealthier treats with a healthier treat

1002
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: then this is the perfect way to do it.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. I love that. Okay, perfect. I want you to

1004
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: tell everyone where can they follow you? Why where can

1005
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: they see like you're already amazing recipes. If you have

1006
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: anything else going on at the moment, let us know.

1007
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: So I am on Instagram slash better Being Steph. I

1008
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: put all my recipes on my Instagram. But then I

1009
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: also have my website and blog which is just Betterbeingsteph

1010
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Speaker 2: dot com. And then I have my Better Being Blends

1011
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 2: snack range available at Sneakyholefoods dot com as.

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Speaker 1: Well, which are so delicious I need a test perfect

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Speaker 1: And so just want to let everyone know that I

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Speaker 1: will put all those links in the show notes so

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Speaker 1: they can come find you and check you out. Thank you,

1016
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: no problem, Thank you so much for being on the

1017
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Speaker 1: show staff.

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Speaker 2: Thank you have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, bye, Thank you so much for listening in. If

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Speaker 1: or night whenever you're listening in. Bye for now, and

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Yes,