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Speaker 1: Episode one, The Angry Dad era, Mitchell Orviell went viral

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Speaker 1: at a time with the term influencer hadn't even been coined.

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Speaker 2: The ad page three hundred thousand Nine's all right the

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Speaker 2: odor of Manjurick you put.

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Speaker 1: At eighteen. He became an Internet sensation when he started

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Speaker 1: sharing hilarious pranks he pulled on his dad.

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Speaker 2: Me and Dylan have about to play the most epic

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Speaker 2: fucking prank ever.

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Speaker 3: Mitchell, where the fucking the doors snap laundry? I'm telling

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Speaker 3: you right now.

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Speaker 1: A relationship with one of Australia's most popular YouTubers, Chloe Zepp,

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Speaker 1: catapulted him into influencer fame.

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Speaker 3: It's Mitchell Orwell and I'm with my girlfriend Chloe Zepp.

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Speaker 1: The social media couple will love for keeping it real

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Speaker 1: and being transparent about their elationships, ups and downs.

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Speaker 2: The next question is how many times a week do

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Speaker 2: you do it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I must been having sex with a ghost then maybe

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Speaker 2: ten seconds.

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Speaker 1: It was Mitch's most vulnerable confession that earned him the

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Speaker 1: most respect online. In twenty twenty, he revealed he'd been

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Speaker 1: battling a secret cocaine habit one way.

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Speaker 2: To help others be vulnerable is to be vulnerable yourself.

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Speaker 1: So he goes Mitch was arguably the most popular Australian

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Speaker 1: male influencer. But what goes up must come down. We

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Speaker 1: are journalist Sophie Kate and Amy Torba and this is Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to get into this deep dive and

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Speaker 1: also give Outspoken listeners a taste of what our subscribers

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Speaker 1: have been getting over the past couple of months because

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Speaker 1: we are sharing part one of our deep dive into

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Speaker 1: Mitch Orbell and it's a great one. I have really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed researching this topic. So I want to take you

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Speaker 1: back to twenty fourteen and at the time, Mitchell Orviell

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Speaker 1: was eighteen years old and finishing off year twelve and

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Speaker 1: growing up it was a tradition for him and his

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Speaker 1: older brother Dylan to pull pranks on their dad, and

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Speaker 1: this tradition had been passed down by their own dad,

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Speaker 1: Mark Orville, who used to prank his own father. The

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Speaker 1: only difference was Mitch and Dylan decided to start filming

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Speaker 1: their pranks, and as you did back in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: the boys started sharing the videos on social media. So

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Speaker 1: it actually first started when Dylan shared a Snapchat story

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Speaker 1: of him annoying his dad, and he got a lot

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Speaker 1: of replies to it. Twenty fourteen was the peak of snapchat,

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Speaker 1: I think, I know. This is when I was most

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Speaker 1: obsessed with the app at the time. You could see

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Speaker 1: who people's best friends were. Everyone was sharing Snapchat stories

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Speaker 1: because Instagram didn't have stories then, so it was the

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Speaker 1: only way you could see what people were doing right

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Speaker 1: then and there. Yeah, it was the golden time of Snapchat. Now,

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Speaker 1: Mitch decided to film a prank and upload it to

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Speaker 1: his personal Facebook account with the hashtag angry Dad, and unexpectedly,

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Speaker 1: the video received seven hundred likes and Mitch started receiving

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Speaker 1: a lie a lot of friend requests, which was kind

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Speaker 1: of annoying for him. So he was chatting about it

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Speaker 1: to a friend at school who suggested, well, why don't

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Speaker 1: you just set up a separate Facebook page for the

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Speaker 1: prank videos. Now, miss decided on the name Angry Dad.

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Speaker 1: He took inspiration from The Simpsons because there was an

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Speaker 1: episode where Bart was pranking Homer called angry Dad. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about snapchat before, but this also really was

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Speaker 1: the golden days of Facebook, and I remember there were

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Speaker 1: so many Facebook groups popping up that were getting hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of likes. I mean a lot of businesses

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Speaker 1: now would wish that Facebook returned to that because it's

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Speaker 1: so hard to get organic traction on pages now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because this is before Facebook ads. So if you had

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Speaker 1: a Facebook following of say one hundred thousand people, most

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Speaker 1: of your videos would actually reach those one hundred thousand people.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be cap and the algorithm isn't what it

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Speaker 1: is now. So this page went absolutely viral and within

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks had fifty thousand likes, and the

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Speaker 1: likes just kept coming in their droves, with the page

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Speaker 1: you guys remember the iconic video Honk if You're Horny

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Speaker 1: that got over one hundred million collective views. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was shared across that Jimmy Kimmel and also lad Bible

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Speaker 1: and all of those big pages. And to give context

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Speaker 1: to people who haven't seen it, this was of course

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Speaker 1: a video where Mitch put a sign on Angry Dad's

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Speaker 1: car that said honk if You're horny, and they were

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Speaker 1: driving around the streets of Melbourne and he was just

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Speaker 1: going nuts. He's like, why are all these dickheads honking?

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Speaker 1: I think we need to throw to a clip of it.

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Speaker 3: Fucking flashing. His lights are more on. There's another fucking

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Speaker 3: flash and he fucking lights. Maybe you've got a flat tire,

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Speaker 3: because you should fucking tell me it's fucking looking at

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Speaker 3: as well. He's fucking bit dabby.

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Speaker 1: Hang on a sec, your fucking it's red. I love

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Speaker 1: that these videos were just filmed off their iPhones because

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Speaker 1: a lot of the time when you watch prank content,

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Speaker 1: because it's filmed with a professional camera. But I think

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Speaker 1: the isn't it so successful is because Angry Dad's reactions

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Speaker 1: all a secret from Mark Orvil, so he had no

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Speaker 1: idea that he was Angry Dad. Like. He was literally

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Speaker 1: walking around and people would come up to him and

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Speaker 4: Do you think his.

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Speaker 1: Profile as a former footballer helped? Because not only did

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Speaker 1: Angry Dad himself have a profile, but also Dylan he

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Speaker 1: used to play for the Adelaide Crows. I remember seeing

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Speaker 1: videos and I was like, he's an ex Crow, you

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Speaker 1: were just saying off Mike before that you thought the

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Speaker 1: two of them were quite hot at the time, Well,

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Speaker 1: the day, and I think that obviously helped the channel.

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Speaker 1: It's funny to think, though, that he had no idea

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Speaker 1: three we kind of think of Facebook as the social

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Speaker 1: and that's how Mark Orvile had no idea what was

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Speaker 1: I remember they used to have this activity slide in

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Speaker 1: You could see remember they used to put up Oh

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Speaker 1: this person's just become friends with Everyone would comment. Do

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Speaker 1: you guys remember that other video? I think it's my

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Speaker 1: favorite angry Dad video where Mitchell gets control of the

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Speaker 1: TV remote. So angry Dad's in watching a current affair

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Speaker 1: hell was just happening.

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Speaker 4: He's just going nuts about it fucking Telly.

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Speaker 1: It's also really interesting to take a look at how

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Speaker 1: popular pranks were back in the early sort of twenty tens.

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Speaker 1: Remember Jack asked that that was massive, the most popular

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Speaker 1: they probably found a lot of inspiration in that. Now,

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Speaker 1: eventually Angry Dad was in on the prank because everyone

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Speaker 1: Mitch and Dylan had to go to these great lengths

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Speaker 1: to pull pranks on him. And Mitch talked about this

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Speaker 1: on a podcast, which was really interesting. Let's throw to

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Speaker 2: It started to get like people knew it was like

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Speaker 2: we were pretty consistent back then, because one was a

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Speaker 2: lot more organic and natural, and it was easier to

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Speaker 2: get him because you weren't We didn't necessarily have to

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Speaker 2: he was, like his reactions, and he was very reactive

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff, so small things would work and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But by the end of it, obviously we had to

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Speaker 2: knew what was going on, Like he knew everything was

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Speaker 2: going online and he knew that like.

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Speaker 3: To watch his back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we had a good like one or two

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Speaker 2: years of just being able to pump out whatever we wanted.

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Speaker 1: Now, at the time, the word influencer hadn't even been coined,

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Speaker 1: and influencer marketing really was in its infancy, So Mitch

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Speaker 1: and Dylan were unaware of the money that could be

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Speaker 1: only when Mitch and Dylan got approached by a management

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Speaker 1: their massive platform. So back then, monetization of content wasn't

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Speaker 1: money off their videos was through brand deals. However, prank

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Speaker 1: were a lot of times that they'd get big brand deals,

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Speaker 1: but they couldn't execute them in the videos. Yeah, Mitch

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Speaker 1: it really depended on whether they could successfully pull the

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Speaker 1: So my partner around this time, he had a YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel where they didn't do pranks, but they did trick

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Speaker 1: shot videos, and they got approached by Nike and they

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Speaker 1: by these huge brands and dealing with all of that themselves. Well,

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Speaker 1: And this was at a time when prank videos were

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Speaker 1: own life after being duped by some presenters. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: but it had disastrous consequences for everyone involved. Now back

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Speaker 1: to Mitch and Dylan. They also got paid to do

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Speaker 1: nightclub tours, which feels very of the time. I remember

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Speaker 1: all the reality stars were out there appearing at nightclubs.

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Speaker 1: That's where we met Gary Beadle from Jordi Show. Now

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate just how quickly Angry Dad took off, Mitch

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Speaker 1: started sharing prank videos at the end of year twelve

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Speaker 1: and he was recognized on his schoolies trip to Fiji.

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Speaker 1: So a schoolies trip to Fiji that seems very bougie.

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Speaker 1: I know when I saw that, I was like, hang on,

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Speaker 1: most of us just go down to Victor Harbor or

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Speaker 1: maybe the Gold Coast. Now, Mitch only lasted three months

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Speaker 1: at what he called his first and last job, selling

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Speaker 1: I think we need to get into the Chloe zep

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Speaker 1: era because I feel like Mitch and Chloe together they

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Speaker 1: are now a huge social media power couple. But it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting to find out how they first met. So

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Speaker 1: they've been together for seven years and met back in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when Mitch was eighteen and Chloe was sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and funnily enough, they met through social media and it

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Speaker 1: was actually Chloe, who slid into Mitch's DMS. So it

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Speaker 1: all started when Chloe spotted Mitch in a photo with

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Speaker 1: Kurk Coleman. Doesn't this guy have so much to answer

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Speaker 1: for in the social media world? Ops up all the time?

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Speaker 1: So, at the time, Mitch was working as a promoter

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Speaker 2: I would tell Chloe I'm going to change. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do this. I promise you I'll stop partying, I'll

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Speaker 2: stop drinking. I stopped doing drugs, and you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: do it for two weeks, three weeks, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: gain no trust back, and then I'll do it again.

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Speaker 2: And it was that was that was all part of

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Speaker 2: for me. I wasn't ready to stop, so I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to stop. I wanted to keep my relationship because

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Speaker 2: I was in love with my partner, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to give up that side of my life.

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Speaker 1: Mitch then went on to say, you have to be

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The turning point for Mitch occurred following a spiral period

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Speaker 1: between July and December twenty nineteen. He said he was

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Speaker 1: no longer using drugs to have fun, but instead to

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Speaker 1: escape reality and run away from his problems. At the time,

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Speaker 1: Chloe had strict rules in place around his drug use,

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Speaker 1: but she allowed him to go to a friend's birthday

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Speaker 1: party on the Gold Coast, and the only proviso she

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Speaker 1: on him and have it charged. However, Mitch couldn't keep

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Speaker 1: this promise. He disappeared with a flat phone that was

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Speaker 1: dead for over eight hours, and when his friends found him,

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Speaker 1: he was at a random sixtieth birthday party off his face.

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Speaker 1: Chloe's sister was one of the people that found him

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Speaker 1: and called Chloe straight away on FaceTime, and Mitch says

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Speaker 1: he can remember just how broken she looked on FaceTime

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Speaker 1: and this was the turning point for him. How brave

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Speaker 1: to open up about that on YouTube. I remember at

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Speaker 1: the time everyone was congratulating Mitch for his transparency, and

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Speaker 1: he moved into this motivational space. I know, he appeared

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Speaker 1: on a lot of podcasts talking about what he'd been through,

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Speaker 1: and we hadn't seen this sort of vulnerability from men

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Speaker 1: before online. It was only starting to happen slowly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I definitely think that his YouTube videos would have helped

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Speaker 1: a lot of male followers who found themselves in a

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Speaker 1: similar situation but didn't know how to deal with it well.

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Speaker 1: In a recent podcast interview, Mitch opened up about his

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Speaker 1: problem with drugs, citing his sudden rise to fame as

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Speaker 1: a big part of the problem. Let's throw to what

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Speaker 3: You got to remember when I finished high school and

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Speaker 3: Angry Dad took off. I was eighteen years old with

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Speaker 3: a random, massive following just given to me. Our videos

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Speaker 3: were getting millions of views every week. I was fresh eighteen.

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Speaker 3: What do you do when you start turnating? You start partying.

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Speaker 3: Not only was I party, I was running venues. I

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Speaker 3: was given nights bottles for free. Everyone wanted to be around.

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Speaker 3: Everyone was giveing me cocaine. Everyone's doing whatever they want

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Speaker 3: it because at that time we were getting millions and

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Speaker 3: millions of views in Australia and Australia only our audience

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Speaker 3: for Angrier. I only ever went Australia, and I'm eighteen

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Speaker 3: years old. All of these perks.

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Speaker 2: Everyone wants me at their nightclubs all night, and I

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Speaker 2: just got taken away and swept up in the scene.

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Speaker 1: Mitch went on to say that it wasn't anyone else's

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Speaker 1: fault but his own, and he massively enabled himself by

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Speaker 1: surrounding himself with the wrong people and scene. Now that's

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Speaker 1: where we're going to leave things today. Next week we'll

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Speaker 1: be discussing the events that led to Mitch Orville quitting

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Speaker 1: social media for nearly a year. If you do want

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Speaker 1: to listen to part two of this deep dive series,

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Speaker 1: the next episode will be dropping on Outspoken Plus next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: You can sign up on Apple Podcasts or Patreon by

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Speaker 1: following the links in the show notes this podcast was

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Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of

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Speaker 1: the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and

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Speaker 1: present