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Speaker 2: Well, Jones and I were together on Saturday night and

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Speaker 2: speaking for both of us personally sad and disheartened to

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Speaker 3: To quick it might take a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Look, the Australian public has spoken. The Australian public have

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Speaker 2: a no vote mean? Where does it leave our country?

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Speaker 2: Channel seven's political leeditor Mark Riley joins us to answer

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Speaker 2: all these huge questions.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Mark Hood, morning man. I hope I've got the answers.

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Speaker 3: Have you got the answers?

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Speaker 1: Mark?

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Speaker 3: We come to you for answers.

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Speaker 4: The oracle?

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Speaker 1: All right, Jonesy, I'll give it a crack mate, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: So what happens?

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 1: We go from here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, we the government wasn't talking about a plan

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Speaker 1: D throughout the campaign, right, the normal thing the governments

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Speaker 1: because the reality is, you guys said they put this

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Speaker 1: The only propositions on the table at the moment come

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Speaker 1: The Yes campaign, we're telling us throughout this campaign that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I've voted yes because I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: We're a free country, that's what makes us great. But

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Speaker 2: And Mark, how will Indigenous Australia respond to any overtures now?

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Speaker 1: Don't think so. Look look, yeah, it's a good question, Joseie.

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Speaker 1: not in the short term.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't a great thing for the country.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a style, mate, and it's presented us starkly,

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Speaker 3: And maybe we are actually coming to Macarata after this struggle.

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Speaker 3: This is this is the whole thing, isn't it really?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting? Mate? You know, of course there was

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly important. And then you move on to treaty,

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Speaker 1: know this process is already going. So yes, maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: move to some form of Macarata process, but I don't

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Speaker 1: we accept the little of the people, we respect the outcome.

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Speaker 1: We've got to find a way to move on.

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Speaker 3: Well, Mark Riley, you are our oracle. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark, you incredibly guys. Congratulations on that wack

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Mark will catch you chell us seven tonight at six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Mark Raley, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: All the way, CEO Sea