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Speaker 1: It's time for the week. That was Where shall we

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Speaker 1: go first? Murray Claire Boothby with the CLP.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Murray.

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Speaker 3: Claire, Morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you in the studio. Matt Cunningham from

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Speaker 2: Sky News.

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Speaker 1: Good to see your maskkat looking a bit.

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Speaker 4: Cold there, bluddy freezing.

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Speaker 2: I forgot your jump up. Gezy Appurric, Good morning to

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Speaker 2: your not eighteen.

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Speaker 3: It was ten point eight at seven o'clock. It's a

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Speaker 3: shampoo would come out of my bottless frozen.

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Speaker 2: Really wash my hair. It doesn't draw well.

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Speaker 5: Ere they to spend the winter in Melbourne.

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Speaker 6: When you get up in the morning and you have

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Speaker 6: to chip the ice off your windscreen'll.

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Speaker 2: Put their hairs on your chest.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course Joel Bowden for the Labor Party,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, John.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, and I do have my single it on

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Speaker 5: and my scarf, my Matilda's scarf around Thank you for lending.

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Speaker 7: It to me.

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Speaker 2: No worries.

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Speaker 1: There's always warm clothes on my chair out in the office.

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Speaker 1: If anybody needs a business jacket, not sure.

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Speaker 2: If all right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: There is so much to discuss this morning, and we

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Speaker 1: might kick off with the fact that yesterday was the

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Speaker 1: first leader's debate ahead of the election, moderated by Matt Cunningham.

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Speaker 2: Mash how did he go?

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Speaker 4: Look, it was interesting, It was interesting there.

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Speaker 6: It was interesting that, like you would think that that

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Speaker 6: the incumbent Chief Minister would be the one trying to

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Speaker 6: play the straight bat and the opposition leader would be

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Speaker 6: the one trying to attack, but it sort of happened

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Speaker 6: the other way around. So I think, you know, Leah

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it was I mean, it was a great day.

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Speaker 6: There were sort of three hundred people there at at

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Speaker 6: it was a pretty short debate. It only went for

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Speaker 6: to lay out their vision for the economic future, pretty

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Speaker 6: similar on most areas these days now that sort of

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Speaker 4: So, you know, but I think it was a good day.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who the winner was.

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Speaker 6: I suppose that's for others to decide, well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 6: It was an interesting debate, good way to kick it off.

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Speaker 1: I think it was somebody an observer had said to

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Speaker 1: thought that the Chief Minister had sort of gone negative

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Speaker 1: the seal pit. And you do expect that, You certainly

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Speaker 1: do expect that with any debate, but yeah, when it

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Speaker 1: I did note and certainly heard on nine News last

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Speaker 1: night the grab where where I think Evil Lula had said,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got a lot of you know, a

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Speaker 3: That doesn't show well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is I think the problem the Labor

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Speaker 1: But you know, when it comes to that track record

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Speaker 1: of sort of of wealth generating projects it can shine

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Speaker 3: I mean, museum and art garriers are all very nice

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Speaker 3: where you know it's will. They will grow and develop

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Speaker 3: despite governments, not because of governments, but if government is

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Speaker 3: of course, then more the better. And if Leofanocchia and

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Speaker 5: This is something that Catherine Hillmouth articulated yesterday about exploration

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Speaker 5: I will just say that ten or eleven billion dollars

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Speaker 7: Now that's their report, but I agree with it.

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Speaker 5: Eleven to twelve billion, sorry, eleven to twelve billion dollars

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Speaker 7: But we saw the cost of capital at zero point

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Speaker 1: The question you've got to start asking and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you know this is probably raised yesterday. If the government

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Speaker 1: aren't major projects getting off the ground. And you look

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Speaker 2: Awful long time.

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Speaker 1: And then you look at some of the other projects

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Speaker 8: It was really interesting, Katie to see the Chief Minister

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Speaker 8: Our fast track approvals process will actually mean that things

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Speaker 8: we will have a statutory body that can have step

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Speaker 5: Maybe you can explain those step in rights a bit more.

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Speaker 5: What will the territory control a step in and do?

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Speaker 8: It's a territory coordinator coordinator. Yeah, it's basically modeled off

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Speaker 7: Distruction on circumvent Environmental Protection Agreement.

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Speaker 8: Not at all.

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Speaker 7: No, that is really the opposition said yesterday.

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Speaker 8: No she did not say a step.

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Speaker 5: And they'll give you a week to make a decision.

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Speaker 5: They'll take the file off your desk and make a decision.

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Speaker 6: Haven't been going too far away. I mean, you look

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Speaker 6: at where we are now and we're say the Beterloo

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Speaker 6: where we would have been because we had a moratorium,

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Speaker 6: we had theretorium, that's right, but we'd already had the

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Speaker 6: Hawk Review that had found exactly like the final you know,

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Speaker 3: And there's risks with any major project. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: The trouble with the being two years behind with the

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Speaker 4: It's a mile wide open at the moment. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: That's why we've got to move quickly. And like the Barossa,

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Speaker 3: that's been dicked around, like I don't believe it. And

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's saying that they don't want

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Speaker 2: Everybody still wants that to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely part of business, and I don't feel as

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that they have to do in

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Speaker 1: every state, right. I meant, I would imagine that lots

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Speaker 6: Joel mentioned Catherine Tilmouth who was up as part of

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Speaker 6: saying with w A but saying, we have just seven

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Speaker 6: I don't know what the number was in w A,

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Speaker 6: she wasn't hugely critical of the government, but there were

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Speaker 6: some impediments that are being put into place here that

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Speaker 6: don't exist and obviously we have land ten year issues

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Speaker 6: was some criticism of the changes to the royalties scheme,

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Speaker 6: I actually think, I mean, if ever there was an

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Speaker 7: Well, Treasury, we have made that prediction.

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Speaker 5: We are in desperate need of sealing that Central Land Road,

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Speaker 5: That so we've already committed two hundred million or that

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, the price has gone up, right, So the two

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Speaker 5: The six hundred and fifty kilometers is going to probably

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Speaker 2: Well, look, let's take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You've just joined us in the studio. This morning, we've

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Speaker 1: One of the other big topics that has been discussed

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Speaker 1: Now Yesterday We did have the Chief Minister evil Ala

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Speaker 2: She said no, she would not be.

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Speaker 1: My understanding is that the colp have said they will

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Speaker 2: Boothby, Is that right?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. I mean, Katie, we know we talk

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Speaker 8: we absolutely need to address those root causes. You know,

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Speaker 8: We want to be able to have people to have

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Speaker 1: What I'm finding really interesting is, I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: And no matter how you look at this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the issue of crime is certainly going to

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Speaker 3: Order is always an issue in the Turkey, and I

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Speaker 6: I think I think the difficulty these groups will face

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Speaker 1: Understanding as you've just said there, Matt, nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: expect there to be a consequence.

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Speaker 2: You do expect there to be a correcting.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's a pretty fair expectation. We all

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Speaker 7: Yeah, agreed, Kurty.

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Speaker 5: And that's why there's been an increasing investment from evil Laura.

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Speaker 5: I think, as Matt was saying, when EVA took over

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Speaker 5: issues and there's been two curfews put in place there

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Speaker 5: to try and stem the tide. But the curfews, as

441
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Speaker 5: productive and well received as they were, doesn't change Alice

442
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Speaker 5: Springs as a whole, and we have to work continually

443
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Speaker 5: as a tourism minister. We've invested another eighteen million dollars

444
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Speaker 5: to try and keep our product improving, to keep Alice

445
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Speaker 5: Springs moving. We've got the discount schemes that we're going

446
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Speaker 5: to extend, like we're trying to get Alice moving again

447
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Speaker 5: and help with that commun The rand.

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Speaker 1: Juggle we've got though, right is that you know, if

449
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Speaker 1: you spend all of that money into into tourism, as

450
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Speaker 1: we should be, like you can walk and chew gum

451
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Speaker 1: at the same time. But if the issue isn't corrected,

452
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Speaker 1: and if the issue isn't isn't sorted through, people are

453
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Speaker 1: going to go there and they're not going to be

454
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Speaker 1: pleasantly shocked you know that the behavior is better. They're

455
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Speaker 1: going to be absolutely mortified and frightened. And that's a

456
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Speaker 1: really big concern because if you go somewhere and I

457
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Speaker 1: you know, I think I said.

458
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Speaker 2: This on the show last week.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I do every time I go

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Speaker 1: on holidays, is you know, you go out for dinner,

461
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Speaker 1: you go for a walk along wherever you are, you

462
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Speaker 1: go for a walk around. You might go and have

463
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Speaker 1: a drink, or you take the kids for play on

464
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Speaker 1: the playground or whatever.

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Speaker 2: If you don't feel.

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Speaker 1: Safe doing that wherever you go to visit when you're

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Speaker 1: there as a tourist, that's like, that's a really that's

468
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Speaker 1: a really big concern.

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Speaker 7: And that's why.

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Speaker 5: It's as you said, OK, you can walk and chew

471
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Speaker 5: gum at the same time. We're investing in that space,

472
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Speaker 5: but we're also investing in the community. There are some

473
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Speaker 5: boot camps opening up, and one of the big programs

474
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Speaker 5: that we don't talk about enough is the Concert and

475
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Speaker 5: the Stars programming.

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Speaker 7: Peter Drummer from.

477
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Speaker 5: The Port yesterday spoke about that and he's had a

478
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Speaker 5: long involvement.

479
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Speaker 7: I've had a long involvement with my family.

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Speaker 5: My brother works with Contaft about developing young original woman.

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Speaker 2: We've had the young fellows in here human that's right, and.

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Speaker 5: We've got to keep doing those And that's I hate

483
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Speaker 5: to say program because it gets a bit of an

484
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Speaker 5: inverted commera around, but we need to continue to develop

485
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Speaker 5: the youth. But it also starts even back even further.

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Speaker 6: Ye one hundred percent agree on the content. I mean,

487
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Speaker 6: I see it in action at my son's school. That's

488
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Speaker 6: an amazing program. I've heard Paul Henderson talk about the

489
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Speaker 6: best thing he ever did was investing Coontaft and now

490
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Speaker 6: starts and Stars and girls play footing now too, which

491
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Speaker 6: they didn't you know when Contact was started.

492
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Speaker 7: And you know, I think that's great.

493
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Speaker 6: But I do think there needs to be an assessment

494
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Speaker 6: we talked about this last week of what programs work.

495
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Speaker 4: And you can guarantee your CONTAFT works.

496
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Speaker 6: It's brilliant, but there are plenty of programs out there

497
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Speaker 6: as well that get plenty of funding from governments that

498
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Speaker 6: don't work. And I think that governments need to be

499
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Speaker 6: tougher saying no, sorry, you've had your twelve months, you've

500
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Speaker 6: had your two years.

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Speaker 7: Your program doesn't work. We're not funny it anymore.

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Speaker 6: The other the other issue, sorry, Mara clear, I know

503
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Speaker 6: you want to have the other issue. I think we

504
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Speaker 6: need to consider when we talk about this issue. And

505
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Speaker 6: cam Smith had an article in the paper yesterday and

506
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Speaker 6: that that showed that in the in the last quarter

507
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Speaker 6: of twenty twenty three, we had population decline in the

508
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Speaker 6: Northern Territory. And the big worry I have is that

509
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Speaker 6: people lead because of that issue. I mean, I'm as

510
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Speaker 6: invested in this place as anyone, but we have had

511
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Speaker 6: that conversation in the past six months that I never

512
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Speaker 6: thought we would have because of that issue. And you know,

513
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Speaker 6: I don't want to be talking about crime all the time.

514
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Speaker 6: I don't like talking about crime. But you know, when

515
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Speaker 6: you get to a point where you think, gee, you know,

516
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Speaker 6: can I leave my teenage kids at home? I don't

517
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Speaker 6: know whether I can, because not not because they're going

518
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Speaker 6: to set fire of the house, which might have happened

519
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Speaker 6: because someone might come in and try to steal the

520
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Speaker 6: car keys and steal my car.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when the people are so much. It's the

522
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Speaker 3: people who are Mad's age. Yeah, they're the people that

523
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Speaker 3: we want to keep in the church because they're working

524
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Speaker 3: adults both individually and their children are getting halfway useful.

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Speaker 2: They're starting jobs and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 7: Use them on the farm.

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Speaker 3: We start them.

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Speaker 7: Young and.

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Speaker 3: Talk to the c RP. But I've had it in

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Speaker 3: in my area, young young families, and it is they're

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Speaker 3: the contributors to the economy amongst other people. But it's

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Speaker 3: it's because of the concern about their family unit with

533
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Speaker 3: coach children. That's the people we need to keep. This

534
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Speaker 3: is the other part of it.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, and.

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Speaker 8: I just want to make the point about about Evil

537
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Speaker 8: Laula being the new Chief Minister and how she seems

538
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Speaker 8: to be doing things differently. Yesterday during the debate with

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Speaker 8: the leaders, Leah Finocchio spoke about the ice cream sh

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Speaker 8: John John's, and I know, Katie, you've had him on

541
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Speaker 8: the show many times, and how he is closing down

542
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Speaker 8: in a couple of weeks. And as soon as she

543
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Speaker 8: started to talk about that, which which of course it's

544
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Speaker 8: bigger than just one business. I mean that business closing

545
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Speaker 8: down because of all the crime and social behavior that

546
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Speaker 8: has been occurring is one part of this. But when

547
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Speaker 8: you can't even take your kids to an ice cream

548
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Speaker 8: shop in the city, then we know that we have

549
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Speaker 8: a real problem. Now. When Leah said that at this debate,

550
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Speaker 8: Eva Laula scoffed and laughed at her, and that just

551
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Speaker 8: tells you everything that there is to know about the

552
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Speaker 8: Chief Minister. She might say all of these words that

553
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Speaker 8: sound like she's going to be different compared to the

554
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Speaker 8: labor of the last eight years. But when you laugh

555
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Speaker 8: and scoff at a business closing down and our people

556
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Speaker 8: in the territory who can't even go and take their

557
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Speaker 8: kids for an ice cream, that says a lot.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we've seen that Eva Laula over the

559
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Speaker 5: last six or seven months has been decisive. She has

560
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Speaker 5: made courageous decisions, and she has put the territory on

561
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Speaker 5: a trajectory that is going to lead to economic growth

562
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Speaker 5: and social cohesion.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think we're all being very polite about this,

564
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Speaker 1: but you, like all of yours, have been part of

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Speaker 1: the team for a long time. Right, So she's been

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure minister, she's been the treasurer, she's been on

567
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Speaker 1: the like, she's been part of the ministerial.

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Speaker 7: Cabinet.

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Speaker 1: Like, so, how so how come her voice wasn't being

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Speaker 1: heard earlier? How come these common sense happens, the common

571
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Speaker 1: sense decisions weren't being made before, because like, the basic

572
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Speaker 1: makeup of the cabinet has only changed.

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Speaker 2: By a couple of people. So this is you know,

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Speaker 2: this is where I.

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Speaker 1: Kind of think to myself, I get it right, I

576
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Speaker 1: can see myself that that evil Lawla is making good

577
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Speaker 1: common sense decisions. But what happens if she doesn't win

578
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Speaker 1: a seat? Who steps in? You know, you would think

579
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Speaker 1: that the deputy does step in into that role, that

580
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Speaker 1: that's the next common sense choice, and that's chancey Paike.

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Speaker 2: Now I know some people, well it.

582
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Speaker 1: Doesn't always happen, but you go actually, and same goes.

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Speaker 2: With the colp Like you've got to look at the.

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Speaker 1: Whole team and you go, if common sense decisions are

585
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Speaker 1: being made now under evil Laula, Well, first off, why

586
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Speaker 1: weren't they previously when she was still part of the team.

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Speaker 1: But secondly, what happens if she's not there? Does it

588
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Speaker 1: turn into a rabble again?

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Speaker 5: Well, the Chief Minister is the chief of ministers and

590
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Speaker 5: exercises are casting vote in the cabinet. That's why the

591
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Speaker 5: Chief Minisal has has more say than others and is

592
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Speaker 5: empowered by the Cabinet and the caucus.

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Speaker 4: He's in the.

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Speaker 1: Situation here where she's making Captain's decisions.

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Speaker 2: Do the rest of you sort of agree with them?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's elements of that, yes, and we've seen that recently.

597
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Speaker 5: And that's what the caucus and the cabinet does. It

598
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Speaker 5: empowers the Chief minister. Now she's also empowered a number

599
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Speaker 5: of other ministers, including myself, to go and make decisions.

600
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Speaker 5: So I am able to make a call and let's

601
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Speaker 5: just say the Central Island road of what the package is.

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Speaker 7: And what we're going to find. I meet with Catherine King.

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Speaker 5: We have the conversation, we organized, you know, the five

604
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Speaker 5: hundred million dollars, and we go and do it. Because

605
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Speaker 5: if you actually sendalized something like that, you are going

606
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Speaker 5: to be delayed. And that's why decisions won't we make

607
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Speaker 5: with it. She's done a fabulous in such a short time.

608
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Speaker 5: And I take your point. There has been previous chief

609
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Speaker 5: who haven't been as decisive, not one who is.

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Speaker 1: It's more than I kind of look at it and

611
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Speaker 1: I think there's only a couple of people on the

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Speaker 1: team that have changed. So I get that the government

613
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Speaker 1: is very much trying to push the barrow, that you know,

614
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Speaker 1: that it's all common sense and that it's like new leadership.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I think other Territorians are also

616
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Speaker 1: thinking to themselves is well, hang on a second. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the team members are

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Speaker 1: still the same team. You might change to captain, you know,

619
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Speaker 1: for your state of origin side based on whether you

620
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Speaker 1: won the last game or not, but you haven't dynamically

621
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Speaker 1: changed the whole makeup of that side.

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Speaker 3: It was a team that was in trouble. I mean,

623
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Speaker 3: we know in this job there's lots of rhetoric, and

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Speaker 3: I think Eva's doing the best she can with the

625
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Speaker 3: team that she's got because she's got the job as

626
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Speaker 3: chief Minister, so she's back with it. So she's got

627
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Speaker 3: to do the best she can with the group that

628
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Speaker 3: she's got.

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Speaker 2: I didn't give you the last question, okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean the general public is a wise up to

631
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Speaker 3: the commentary that goes on in the political circles and

632
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Speaker 3: what comes out through the media about politicians, and they

633
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Speaker 3: will make their decision in a month's time on election day,

634
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Speaker 3: and I think they listen, and you're quite correct. Eve

635
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Speaker 3: has been part of that cabinet since this lot got in,

636
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Speaker 3: you know, and you can't just say, oh, now I'm

637
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Speaker 3: going to do things differently, and I'm just and she's

638
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Speaker 3: I don't. I have no doubt that she's decisive, but

639
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Speaker 3: it's it's still see that she was all along and

640
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Speaker 3: she's not a shrinking violet. She would have been quite

641
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Speaker 3: forthright in her views about anything or anything in particular.

642
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Speaker 3: So to now say, look, our things are different, it's

643
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Speaker 3: not going to wash.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, one of the other issues that we spoke

645
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Speaker 1: about yesterday with the Chief Minister is that of the

646
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Speaker 1: North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency losing it's fifth chief executive

647
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Speaker 1: in eighteen months.

648
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Speaker 2: Is the upper.

649
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Speaker 1: Management of the besieged organization continues to be gripped by chaos.

650
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Speaker 1: So Phil Brown stepped down in what was a shock

651
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Speaker 1: departure from his position. Is what was reported as the

652
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Speaker 1: acting CEO.

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Speaker 3: I think we're over these shocks.

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Speaker 2: Well, look what.

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Speaker 1: I think what we do know is that we're in

656
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Speaker 1: a situation where there doesn't seem to be any real

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Speaker 1: letterup when it comes to NUDGE and now I asked

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister yesterday what's it sort of going to

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Speaker 1: take for NAJA to look.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there is no doubt.

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Speaker 1: That we need need an organization such as this one.

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Speaker 1: We certainly need, you know, representations for some of our

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Speaker 1: most vulnerable in the community. But what's going on really

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Speaker 1: a lot of people questioning how is this organization able

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Speaker 1: to keep operating and how are they able to continue

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Speaker 1: to receive huge amounts of funding from both the federal

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Speaker 1: and I assume the Northern Territory government.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like they're spending a lot on legal fees. I mean, Katie,

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Speaker 3: there's one thing that's constant in this whole story, and

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Speaker 3: that's the board. Yeah, man, would you say? Five chief

671
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Speaker 3: executives have come and gone for various reasons and for

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Speaker 3: various lengths of time, but the one from my thinking anyway,

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Speaker 3: there's obviously a serious governance issue with this organization across

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Speaker 3: the board, whether it be the governance of finances, governance

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Speaker 3: of the human resources, governance of the delivery of services.

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Speaker 3: And the one thing that I see that's coonsin is

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Speaker 3: the board.

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Speaker 6: Well, and it shows in the seat because there are

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Speaker 6: some very respected Aboriginal leaguers who have held that acting

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Speaker 6: CEO position over the past eighteen months since Priscilla Atkins

681
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Speaker 6: was unlawfully removed from her position to CEO, including John

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Speaker 6: Patterson and Olga Havnan who ran Danilla Dilber for a

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Speaker 6: long time time, and they walked away.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's very good opera, and I.

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Speaker 6: Think that tells you quite a bit what I find

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Speaker 6: remarkable about this situation. This has been going on now

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Speaker 6: since November twenty twenty two and it's now July twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty four, and I find it remarkable over that period,

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Speaker 6: not just five CEOs. We've got a loss of staff,

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Speaker 6: domestic violence perpetrator appointed to the chair of the board.

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Speaker 6: We've had the previous chair who in a recent federal

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Speaker 6: in the recent federal court matter, was found to have

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Speaker 6: given dubious evidence under oath. We've had a mass exodus

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Speaker 6: of staff. We've had an inability to represent vulnerable Aboriginal clients.

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Speaker 6: And what is being done about it? And I can

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Speaker 6: tell you from experience when you ask either the officer

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Speaker 6: of the NT's Attorney General or the officer of the

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Speaker 6: Federal Attorney General, what are you doing about this?

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Speaker 4: Will their funding be removed?

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Speaker 6: Will you go on this merry go round where they

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Speaker 6: each blame one another and nothing gets done? You know,

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Speaker 6: you asked Chancey Paig's office and he says it's a

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Speaker 6: matter for the federal government. You ask Mark Drayfus's office

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Speaker 6: and he says, it's a matter for the Northern Territory government.

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Speaker 6: No one wants to take responsibility for what's going on

706
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Speaker 6: here and take ownership of it. And do something about it.

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Speaker 6: I can tell you how the funding works. There's a

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Speaker 6: it's called end LAP, the National Legal Assistance Partnership, and

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Speaker 6: every five years, the federal government gives the Northern Territory

710
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Speaker 6: government a bucket of money to fund an aboriginal legal service.

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Speaker 6: So at the moment it goes to NA, right, And

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Speaker 6: so that's why they're just pointing the finger back at

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Speaker 6: one another.

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Speaker 3: We just got the money, you look after it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 6: They need to get together in a room and make

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Speaker 6: a decision now and say, listen, right, we've had enough,

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Speaker 6: like I mean, how many chances does an organization get,

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Speaker 6: especially one that serves such an important role in it.

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Speaker 1: I think the way that you've just described that as well,

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Speaker 1: Matt does point to some of the issues and some

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Speaker 1: of the points that continue to be raised about different

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Speaker 1: organizations that are receiving funding across in Northern Territory. Well

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Speaker 1: at whichever one it might be, you know, whatever, and

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Speaker 1: good point, because we spoke about that last week. But

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Speaker 1: whatever organization it might be, if you are receiving funding,

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Speaker 1: a bucket of funding from the federal government and then

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government's administering that funding, well what processes

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Speaker 1: are in place to ensure that that funding is being

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Speaker 1: administered and that KPIs are being met, and if they're

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Speaker 1: not being met, well, either funding is withheld or there

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Speaker 1: you know, there is a period of time where you're

733
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Speaker 1: given an opportunity to get things sorted and if you don't,

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Speaker 1: well you're either I don't know, there's got to be

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Speaker 1: some extra steps taken. It's outside my pay bracket, but

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Speaker 1: you would think that it's certainly something that both tiers

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Speaker 1: of government would be looking at because it's tax payers money, right,

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Speaker 1: and they're there to deliver a job that, as I

739
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Speaker 1: pointed out right from the get go, is to actually

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Speaker 1: represent some of the most vulnerable in the community. We

741
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Speaker 1: know that we've got more prisoners on remand at the

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Speaker 1: moment then you know this is the thing. So I've

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Speaker 1: no doubt that there are still some great lawyers who

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Speaker 1: are representing those people. But if you do not have

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Speaker 1: enough of them, and you do not have things operating

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Speaker 1: in the way that you would expect, does it make

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Speaker 1: their jobs more difficult?

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Speaker 2: I don't work there.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting because NAGI is part of this group that's

750
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Speaker 6: putting out the statement saying, you know, we have to

751
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Speaker 6: have fewer people in prison, right They're the issues at

752
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Speaker 6: NARGER are contributing to that, because if there's not legal

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Speaker 6: representation for someone who's on remand when they come before

754
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Speaker 6: the court the matter where they go and then it

755
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Speaker 6: gets adjourned and adjourned and you end up wanting you

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Speaker 6: in prison.

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Speaker 3: On remark, this is an organization that has a board

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Speaker 3: responsible for bossy policy. In direction of the organization. You've

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Speaker 3: got CEO, you've got staff YEP. If it was a

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Speaker 3: private company listed or unlisted, it would be for ASEIC

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Speaker 3: in a heartbeat. So no one is prepared clearly, either

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Speaker 3: our anti government, the Attorney General because me he's the response,

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Speaker 3: or the federal government is prepared to step in and

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Speaker 3: look after what is the most important thing and is

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Speaker 3: that as their clients.

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Speaker 2: Look, we might take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix Onellow four nine's three six

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Speaker 1: if you have just joined us this morning in the studio,

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 2: Even get them to be quiet during the hand breaks.

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Speaker 1: Today we've got Joel Bounden, Keseyer, Puric, Matt Cunningham and

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Speaker 1: Mary Claire Boothby and well we are just weeks out

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Speaker 1: from the Northern Territory election, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Matt and I have got so much more to talk

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Speaker 1: about because there's election promises being thrown around.

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Speaker 7: Like Center election commitment.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm going to do nothing. Look, it's going to.

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Speaker 1: Retake she's going to be my political right hand woman,

779
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Speaker 1: ready to come and chat about things all throughout the

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Speaker 1: coming weeks.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure now that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, free swimming lessons, the announcement by the colp

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Speaker 1: are re elected, Labor government's going to deliver increased preschool hours.

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Speaker 2: You've got all sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: Where all the kid's going to go because the kids

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Speaker 3: are half day each so if you have a kid

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Speaker 3: there all day, that means double.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the question I'd asked yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yes to do that. That's right, And.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have enough teachers at the start of this year,

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Speaker 1: so it is definitely their questions.

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Speaker 3: You haven't dealt with with history kids. They'll be less kids.

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Speaker 2: Well they're not in pre school.

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Speaker 1: But look in theory, it seems like a good announcement, right,

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Speaker 1: the preschool announcement. If you're able to, if you are

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Speaker 1: able to take a four year old there at eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, and they're there too in the

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Speaker 1: wonderful You know, a long day for a litt It

799
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Speaker 1: is a long.

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Speaker 2: Day for a little tacker. My daughter would have been

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Speaker 2: alright with it.

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Speaker 1: My son would have had an absolute meltdown by after lunchtime.

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Speaker 2: I reckon we'd have needed a little.

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Speaker 3: Man in app So I don't know, the schooly stuff

805
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: in the morning, and then basically they'll become babysitters in

806
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Speaker 3: the afternoon when they will need a little well no.

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Speaker 1: Because look, you know, I mean those preschool teachers, honestly,

808
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Speaker 1: they must I don't know where you breed wonderful preschool teachers,

809
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Speaker 1: but they have to have the patients of a saint

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Speaker 1: to be able to look after thirty preschool aged children

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Speaker 1: and to be able to teach them, educate them. But

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Speaker 1: you're right, Keisier. So most preschools, there'll be kids go

813
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Speaker 1: in the mornings and then there'll be a whole new

814
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Speaker 1: class in the afternoon. So my question is where are

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Speaker 1: the additional classrooms going to come from? Where are the

816
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Speaker 1: additional school teachers going to come from? It is a

817
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Speaker 1: phase in situation, But you know, there's no like there

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Speaker 1: is no doubt that it's going to cost a bucket load.

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Speaker 1: I think thirty five million dollars has been here mark

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Speaker 1: for it, if I recall correctly from the pressure those yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Then like I said, you know you've got free swimming

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Speaker 1: lessons being announced by the SEALP.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what do we make of it all?

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Speaker 5: Well, I just talk about the fifteen hours going to

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Speaker 5: thirty hours, so it's a doubling of the preschool hours.

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Speaker 7: It's phased in, as you said, over time. One of

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Speaker 7: the really really.

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Speaker 5: Big announcements that we've had over time has been this

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Speaker 5: full funding for education, and that's where a lot of

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Speaker 5: the funding comes from. And as we know, some of

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Speaker 5: the schools, and a number of the schools in the

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Speaker 5: elector of Johnson that I frequently visit have underutilized classrooms.

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Speaker 5: And so the preschool working with the schools is actually

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Speaker 5: in Milner. There's a preschool there that's not being utilized

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Speaker 5: at all at the moment. So we'll utilize more of

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Speaker 5: the school infrastructure existing infrastructure, and then we'll recruit more preschool.

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Speaker 1: Call me a skeptic, angel, call me a skeptic, but

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Speaker 1: is it going to be an electorates?

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Speaker 2: Better?

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe a little bit tighter where labor's hoping

841
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Speaker 1: to win.

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00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 5: Well, we haven't announced which electorates, so it's a phased

843
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: in approach over the next four years. The first year

844
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Speaker 5: there'll be ten, So we're not targeting electorates per se.

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Speaker 5: We're targeting the economy, we're targeting working parents, and we're

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Speaker 5: targeting kids getting that additional doubling the amount of time

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Speaker 5: that they're in preschool so that they can then transition

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Speaker 5: to school a bit better and learn and then come

849
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Speaker 5: into society and not have to go to keasi e puic.

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Speaker 3: Rural broadcamp where they learn how to fence and part fails.

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Speaker 4: And I think you're onto something.

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Speaker 8: As long as it's compulsory. Keasy with my mother there

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Speaker 8: none of there's voluntary.

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Speaker 5: And then the.

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Speaker 3: Look if they're a little bit slacked, I'm just going

856
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Speaker 3: to push along with the track.

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Speaker 2: God does me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean these announcements I want to be expected

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Speaker 3: in a political campaign. I mean, and it's to appeal

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Speaker 3: to the broader community. Nice things, you know, Swimming lessons

861
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: are good, preschool things are good, you know. But I

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00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: mean when you look at the announcements and where they're

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Speaker 3: going to be impacted upon which can you need armson?

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Speaker 3: By far is getting a fair share of stuff from

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Speaker 3: the Labor government. And I think the Chief Minister is

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Speaker 3: not the chief Minister for the Lord and Territory, she's

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Speaker 3: the chief Minister for Palmerston because everything is going to

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Speaker 3: Parmestan that I've seen except for the poor Moldon Primary

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Speaker 3: school Oval. Yeah, no one wants to own well look

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Speaker 3: I am to.

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Speaker 6: Because if Labour loses the one and a half seats

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Speaker 6: at the way Mark Turner doesn't He's not Labor anymore.

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Speaker 6: But Labour loses those two seats, then they're.

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Speaker 3: Trying to get the seats that everyone knows that you know,

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Speaker 3: but it's been very exactly where they're to get.

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Speaker 1: I have just.

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Speaker 2: Had word from the candidate for Blaine.

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Speaker 1: He has message through Matt curl saying that just to

879
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: let you know, the sprinklers are running.

880
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: A mold and over.

881
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: Whoever made sprinklers work excellent?

882
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 6: Clarify that the kiss and go situation at the bakewell times.

883
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: Would you want me to explain would was.

884
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: It funded under the Labor government.

885
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 8: So basically what happened was when I was elected that

886
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 8: was talked about and talked about for years and years

887
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 8: and years, but of course nothing happened. So and these

888
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 8: two will remember that when I was in Parliament, even

889
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 8: when we were talking about something completely irrelevant, I would

890
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 8: bring up the Baykor car park because it was a

891
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 8: promise that was never delivered, right, I would talk about

892
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 8: it in media and Parliament basically lobby, lobby, lobby, and

893
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 8: then finally the federal government along with the Anti government,

894
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 8: was able to get implemented.

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00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: So I'm very hopes about on the line.

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00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 8: Anyway, he's been saying a lot of things, and that's okay.

897
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 8: You know the people in parties a.

898
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: Candidate, yeah, we'll judge him and I.

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00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: If you want to find out anything more about the

900
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: about the political candidates won the problem.

901
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: Well, if you want to.

902
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: Find anything out about the political candidates, we are indeed

903
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: doing the Meet the Candidates series for all of the

904
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: electorates across the end. But look, we're going to take

905
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: a We're going to get to Johnson, but we're going

906
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Speaker 1: to take a very quick break.

907
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: When we come back, I want.

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00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: To talk very briefly about these political donations that's coming

909
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: your way right here or mixed one oh four nine

910
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: three sixty's before we.

911
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: Wrap up though well.

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00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: According to a report by Tom Morgan, our mate at

913
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: the ABC, the Country Liberal Party has raised almost one

914
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: million dollars so far during the Northern Territory election period,

915
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: more than doubling the total donations made to the incumbent

916
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: Territory Labor Party. So we know that this is all

917
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: on the Northern Territory Electoral Commission website, but data released

918
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: has shown the CLP received nine hundred and fifty eight

919
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in the twelve months to June thirty, compared

920
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: to four hundred and three thousand, five hundred and sixty

921
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: eight for the Territory Labor Party.

922
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: Good on youw COLP, and thanks.

923
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 7: To Ray Bail for putting in good on your rail dollars.

924
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Some large donations and some quite large individual donations money,

925
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: that's right, large political donations by individuals, and you can

926
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: certainly like the CRP seems to have quite the watches.

927
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 7: I must have made a lot of promises and they are.

928
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: What are you getting any from the CFM EU exactly?

929
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: Friends of ours? They are no friends always be.

930
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: CU investigators.

931
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: They're no friends of mine. They're no friends of mine.

932
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: In all seriousness. Is the Labor Party getting any money

933
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: from the CFM AU ahead of.

934
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Speaker 8: The you know?

935
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Speaker 5: And what I can say, Katie, is that in the

936
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Speaker 5: last three or four weeks there has been a number

937
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Speaker 5: of sizable donations to the Labor Party. They wouldn't be

938
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Speaker 5: in those numbers because of the reporting period, but there has.

939
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 7: Been a large amount of money coming in to me,

940
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 7: to the party.

941
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Speaker 5: To others, because those who are watching the politics and

942
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 5: watching it closely can see that this is a contest

943
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 5: and when we get to August the twelfth through the

944
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: twenty fourth, when voting ends on the twenty four, they

945
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 5: think it's going to be very, very tight, and there

946
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: has been a large amount of money coming into the

947
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: Labor Party recently.

948
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: I think you are I think you're right.

949
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 8: It is going to be very tight, and so people

950
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 8: need to make a really clear choice and they can

951
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 8: either accept the status quote or they can go for change.

952
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 8: And I know that over the last four years territories

953
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Speaker 8: certainly don't feel like there's been that change that they need.

954
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 8: Of course, of course, territorians and business owners right across

955
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 8: the spectrum have been backing the c LP, and I

956
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 8: think it's the same thing happens in my communicating. More

957
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 8: and more people are coming out saying, how can we help,

958
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 8: We need to get rid of this labor government, what

959
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 8: can we do to help? So I think it's a

960
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 8: sign that's exactly. I think it's a sign that people

961
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Speaker 8: are ready for change.

962
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 7: Here or whoever, it's a sign that Ray Bail sold

963
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 7: his business recently.

964
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

965
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: Right, lovely, lovely, very generous.

966
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Speaker 2: If you're listening this morning, feel free to give us

967
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: a call mate.

968
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: Time. Take every individual's I in choice who they choose

969
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: to donate money too, if that's what they choose to

970
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: do ahead of an election.

971
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: Support fundraisers, whether it be a dinner with a special

972
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: person in attendance, whatever. But you know, we've seen Mark

973
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 3: Turner with his fundraising activities, sort of like a GoFundMe.

974
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure how it works, but I think

975
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: the last count he raised them, you know, six seven,

976
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars. So people are prepared to provide money.

977
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how big or how small. If you've

978
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: got the capacity to provide big dollars, you provide big dollars.

979
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: But some people you know used to you know, just

980
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: happy to help put up core flutes or whatever. That's

981
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: how they help if they haven't got the financial if

982
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: you know, and I think it's it's so open and

983
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: transparenty you know who's giving money to which party?

984
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: Just very quickly, I haven't seen as many core flutes

985
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: on people's homes.

986
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 8: You need to come out to Miami lately.

987
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: Okay, is there a lot out there? Yeah? Because what

988
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: it actually made me think is for some candidates.

989
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: Do they not actually have that support then from individuals

990
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: who are happy enough to have those posters on their homes.

991
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 6: On day one of core flute carnage that I noticed

992
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 6: there was like compared to the last election and even

993
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 6: the one before, I noticed fewer labor core flutes. Now,

994
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 6: I don't know that whether that was they weren't organized

995
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 6: or they didn't have as much many volunteers they.

996
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: Did as much money less money where that was it

997
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Speaker 5: was unavailable at Nightcliff, So well, it's covered now, but

998
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Speaker 5: it's mostly.

999
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 6: In in CLP and independent ones from what I can see.

1000
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Speaker 6: But anyway, I honestly don't know whether core flutes have

1001
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 6: any correlation.

1002
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: Know their community better and they will have more on

1003
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 5: houses and fences, whereas those who are trying to break in.

1004
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Speaker 7: Are going to have more staked core flutes out on

1005
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Speaker 7: the side of this.

1006
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: You all need to come out to Parkston.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to wrap up for the morning.

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00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: Mary Claire Boothby, thank you as always for your time

1009
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: for the CLP.

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00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 8: Thank you Katie, and take care of everyone.

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00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you as always for

1012
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: your time.

1013
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 8: Mate.

1014
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Katie Kizier Puic the Independent House going independent member

1015
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Speaker 1: for GOODDA, thank you for your time.

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00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: Thanks Katie and rug up Bush people, and John's going

1017
00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: to be cold again.

1018
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: It's all about it before you go. What's going on?

1019
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 7: Well, I'm just about to head to the October Business

1020
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 7: Month launch.

1021
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: We have our speakers to announce and I want to

1022
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 5: just tell everyone in the Northern Territory to get ready

1023
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 5: for a national treasure to be the keynote speaker at

1024
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Speaker 5: October Business Month. This person is one of my absolute

1025
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 5: favorites and she's so special in the words of Bruce mcaveaney,

1026
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,479
Speaker 5: that my brother, my reserve brother, many years ago, went.

1027
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 7: Up to her in a cafe in Melbourne and asked

1028
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 7: her for her signature. That's how special this person is.

1029
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 7: So watch out, watch out.

1030
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Maybe she's a horse rider.

1031
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 7: She wears a suit but not a cape. I'll leave.

1032
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: It.

1033
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: Is it Kathy Freeman? Alright, Matilda's scarf on. I'm confused.

1034
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: If he wears a suit but not a cape, that's got.

1035
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 7: To be well.

1036
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: Kathy had the her She had the suit thing on

1037
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: her head like she had the It wasn't her cake,

1038
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: but it.

1039
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: Was like a little wind, the wind factor.

1040
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, we better wrap up. Wonderful to have you all

1041
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: in the studio this morning.