WEBVTT - I asked a LinkedIn insider how to actually stand out on LinkedIn in 2026

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what I will tell you. As a

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<v Speaker 1>creator myself on the platform has been the single most

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<v Speaker 1>helpful thing for me to help my posts find engagement.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Jesse Hemple, Senior editor at Large at LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 2>and host of the award winning podcast Hello Monday. So

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone knows what actually moves the needle on LinkedIn,

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<v Speaker 2>it is Jesse. When it comes to LinkedIn, I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if you can relate to this experience. You post something

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<v Speaker 2>that you're really proud of and spent quite a while writing,

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<v Speaker 2>watch it get all of five likes and one comment,

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<v Speaker 2>which was from your coworker who you specifically asked if

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<v Speaker 2>they could comment to help with reach, and then you wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>what on earth am I doing wrong? Jesse and I

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<v Speaker 2>get into all of it. How AI is reshaping what

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<v Speaker 2>it means to even have a voice, whether that be

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<v Speaker 2>on LinkedIn, in your writing and in your career. We

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<v Speaker 2>talk about why your LinkedIn profile is doing more heavy

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<v Speaker 2>lifting than any post you will ever write, and the

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<v Speaker 2>best way to stand out on LinkedIn. In twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to How I Work, a show about habits, rituals,

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<v Speaker 2>and strategies for optimizing your day I'm your host, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Amantha imber.

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<v Speaker 3>Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a senior editor at large at LinkedIn. What

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean that you actually do all day?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's such a great question. Even as you

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<v Speaker 1>said it, I thought, wow, that sounds important. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what that person does. And thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>having me on your show. I am a longtime media

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<v Speaker 1>person and my role here at LinkedIn is to help

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<v Speaker 1>shape every facet of how LinkedIn's platform can bring trusted

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<v Speaker 1>information to its members. It's essentially to extend everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I learned in media during my twenty five years as

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<v Speaker 1>we're working as a tech journalist before I came here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the big answer, But the actual practical what do

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<v Speaker 1>I do every day? I mean, like after I've had

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<v Speaker 1>my cup of coffee and said hello to the people

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<v Speaker 1>I work with. In part, I am recording a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of our outward facing shows. So that is our career podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Monday. That is our incredible material that we are

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<v Speaker 1>making available to premium members, our workshops, our shows. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a great new show called in the Room Live

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<v Speaker 1>for premium members. And that is any writing that we do,

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<v Speaker 1>any audio bits that we do, and we're always experimenting here. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you think of three buckets, that's one bucket.

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<v Speaker 1>The second bucket is to think critically about how we

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<v Speaker 1>can be supporting creators out there. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a moment when every professional can grow by thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>themselves as a creator. And some of those creators, they

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<v Speaker 1>are big names. They're folks like Mel Robbins, Amantha Imber,

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<v Speaker 1>people who you just hope to emulate as you develop

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<v Speaker 1>your strategy. That's part of what I'm talking about, but

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<v Speaker 1>not at all everyone that I'm talking about. It's my

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<v Speaker 1>conviction that everybody who is a working professional in today's

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<v Speaker 1>landscape has a lot to benefit by thinking of themselves

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<v Speaker 1>as a creator in the social media ecosystem. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the second bucket. And then the third bucket, Amantha, we

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<v Speaker 1>have this incredible team of people who sit on our

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<v Speaker 1>content team here at LinkedIn. We actually have hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are paying close attention to how news moves

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<v Speaker 1>on our platform. And I get to take a role

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<v Speaker 1>in shaping that, in working with the young people coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in our system, in transferring my values around what

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<v Speaker 1>good editorial work looks like to that group of people

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<v Speaker 1>coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great like I imagine that's very much of your

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<v Speaker 2>world involves consuming content from different sources, and obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>lot from LinkedIn, but I imagine a lot from all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place. I would love to know where are

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<v Speaker 2>your go to sources for keeping up with the world

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<v Speaker 2>of work, which is so big.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you ask that. I mean, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that my go to source. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>this because I work for LinkedIn but is LinkedIn and

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<v Speaker 1>is not in fact the voices of people like me,

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<v Speaker 1>but that everyday people who are writing about.

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<v Speaker 3>Their experiences in the job market.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will also tell you that I try really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to take in information from everywhere. I read the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times, but I also make sure that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading the Financial Times, a Washington Post, a number of newspapers,

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<v Speaker 1>so traditional newspapers. I also pay attention to so many

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<v Speaker 1>creators who are actually filtering the news for me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you my favorite, and I have read him

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time. There's a guy named and Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Pell who pens a daily newsletter called Next Draft. And

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<v Speaker 1>this newsletter has been coming out since Substack was a

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<v Speaker 1>dream in somebody's mind. And he summarizes every day. He

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<v Speaker 1>calls himself the managing editor of the Internet, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is also super funny, and he summarizes every day the

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<v Speaker 1>most important stories and gives highlights of them and tells

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<v Speaker 1>you where to go deeper. It's actually my front door

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<v Speaker 1>every morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that too.

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<v Speaker 2>I am gonna hunt down that substack next draft. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always curious for people that are creating content for Litty,

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<v Speaker 2>You're obviously consuming a lot of content and you're creating

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of content. How has AI influenced things for you? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, where do you absolutely lean into AI and

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<v Speaker 2>where are your hardlines saying no, no, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>human job.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, I'd like to say that I

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<v Speaker 1>am a tech optimist at my core. I believe firmly

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<v Speaker 1>that AI offers the most opportunity that we have for

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<v Speaker 1>solving some of our largest problems in the world. Right

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<v Speaker 1>But this moment that we're in that is about developing.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a moment where there's a lot of unknown

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of uncertainty. And what that has meant

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<v Speaker 1>for me and my practice is that I'm early to

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<v Speaker 1>rush at everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And then about two.

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks after I try it, I usually figure out can't

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<v Speaker 1>use AI for that that's not there or that's working

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<v Speaker 1>really well, I'm going to lean in there. So one

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<v Speaker 1>great example is that, like in the early days, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, well, maybe this AI could I could

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<v Speaker 1>train AI on every episode of Hello Monday I've ever published,

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<v Speaker 1>and AI could like write the openings of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Episodes for me. That's a terrible idea, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know it till I tried it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it turns out that in my experience, AI is

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<v Speaker 1>not a great writer, and even for me, and only

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<v Speaker 1>for me, perhaps not a great writer of first drafts.

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<v Speaker 1>That really AI's opportunity for me, let's start with writing

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<v Speaker 1>is to push my thinking and it is always a

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<v Speaker 1>useful exercise, even though it is a little harder. It's

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<v Speaker 1>always a useful exercise for me to stare at an

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<v Speaker 1>empty page, turn off all of my notifications, and be

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable for an hour and get a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>down that I am not proud of, and then give

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<v Speaker 1>it to the AI and say what am I missing here?

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<v Speaker 1>Or how might Amantha think about this that is different

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<v Speaker 1>than the way that I'm thinking about this. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is one way that I use it in my writing.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's really only the beginning of what I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about when I think about how that I use these

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<v Speaker 1>tools in my workflow. We also increasingly can use these

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<v Speaker 1>tools to edit parts of our video podcast. So Hello

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<v Speaker 1>Monday exists in video form and we publish it on

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn and on YouTube, and I know that most of

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<v Speaker 1>the folks who listen to our show really have an

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<v Speaker 1>audio relationship with it, but I'm also very in interested

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<v Speaker 1>in what the video can be over time. We were

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<v Speaker 1>able to actually bring down the editing process on that

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minute episode from a full day of a human

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<v Speaker 1>editor's time to closer to an hour of that time

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<v Speaker 1>through using an AI program to do a first.

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<v Speaker 3>Pass, WHICHI program is this Jesse.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say the name of it, only

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to advertise for this particular software,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are now many softwares who will do this.

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<v Speaker 1>The bigger point here is that I think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a particularly great use of the software because I

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<v Speaker 1>am having the conversation, I know what I want the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation to say, and because the video product it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the first product of import for us. It's not where

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to stand out or make a difference. It's

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<v Speaker 1>simply something we want to have in our portfolio. It's

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<v Speaker 1>truly a gift of automation, and that to me is

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<v Speaker 1>like AI for the most part, where it helps me

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<v Speaker 1>right now is automating thing. It is not doing any

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<v Speaker 1>thinking for me. And in fact, when I begin to

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<v Speaker 1>rely on it in any facet of my professional life

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<v Speaker 1>to push the thinking, to do the thinking, I always

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<v Speaker 1>fall down. Now, we can have this conversation again in

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<v Speaker 1>six months and I will give you probably an entirely

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<v Speaker 1>different answer. But that is okay with me, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is the moment when we are supposed to be learning,

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<v Speaker 1>and the only way that we can learn is actually

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<v Speaker 1>to deploy it in our own practice.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how have.

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<v Speaker 1>You navigated the arrival of AI as a creative as

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<v Speaker 1>somebody making a show?

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<v Speaker 3>Where do you deploy the tool and where do you

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<v Speaker 3>back off the tool?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's something I think about, gosh, like every day,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say. So. I've got a couple of businesses

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<v Speaker 2>and one of them is an AI training company, and

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<v Speaker 2>every Monday, in How I Work feed, we release an

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<v Speaker 2>episode that is just about Hey, I tips and how

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<v Speaker 2>we using it at work and how to get more

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. So I think about it a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I experiment a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>As a writer.

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<v Speaker 2>I always feel that as a human I'm not using

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<v Speaker 2>AI to, as you said, do that first draft. And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that metaphorically, like I've just written my fifth

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<v Speaker 2>book and gearing up for the launch of that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, like in the sort of early ideation parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the book where I was just really struggling with

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<v Speaker 2>the structure and really struggling with how are these ideas

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<v Speaker 2>that I've got in my head going to fit together?

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<v Speaker 2>I went on so many walks with my AI, and

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<v Speaker 2>I tried different prompts with the AI, like sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>would get it to interview me and not give me

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<v Speaker 2>any ideas, like not contribute to the idea generation process.

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<v Speaker 2>Other times I would ideate with it and then I

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<v Speaker 2>compare results, and I still feel, like, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>that early stage of creating content, the things that are

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<v Speaker 2>coming from my brain are the things that I really

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<v Speaker 2>need to lock in on. I then have different workflows

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<v Speaker 2>where it comes to editing, like I was working on

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<v Speaker 2>Publicist at the moment at Penguin, is pitching to different

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<v Speaker 2>media outlets and do you want an extract of the book,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, a pretty big media outlet said, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love a month to write something, but it needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be original but still around the theme of the book.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, well, that's interesting. What an interesting challenge

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<v Speaker 2>to try me as a human writing that versus where

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<v Speaker 2>do I get AI to write that? And I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>as a human, I need to write the first draft.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I played around with Okay, I'll prompt AI

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<v Speaker 2>to be an editor of this publication and give me

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<v Speaker 2>a critique on the draft. And some of that was good,

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<v Speaker 2>some of that was not. Something I find I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>doing now with final drafts. Is it's a skill that

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<v Speaker 2>I've got in claud that's like an anti AI skill

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<v Speaker 2>where it goes through my writing and it says, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what sounds like it's written by AI, because, as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you would appreciate as a writer, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we naturally do are now baked into

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<v Speaker 2>AI and their AI tells, which is so far when

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<v Speaker 2>it's that's how I write. Oh man, I used to

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<v Speaker 2>use so many M dashes and now like I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>relying more on brackets.

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<v Speaker 1>I just took the phrase here's the thing out of

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<v Speaker 1>an essay that I was writing right before we were

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<v Speaker 1>on this call, because I thought, well, I'm not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to use that. Cloud took that from me.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't use that. I know, I know. It's so sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to say that as well corrective antithesis. I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard it called a few things like it's not this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that, referred to as several things. I use that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in my writing, and it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I was aware of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was recently recording the audiobook of the Energy Game,

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<v Speaker 2>and whenever I came across that, I'm like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds like.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I write that, but I actually wrote that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I find that having that skill can help

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<v Speaker 2>me get rid of the things that I would naturally

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<v Speaker 2>use as a human writer, so that people don't read

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<v Speaker 2>my work and go, ah, it looks like AI just

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that when I didn't write that. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>worst when you was a human writer and people think

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<v Speaker 2>AI wrote it because you trually use some of those

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<v Speaker 2>AI tells, so that I find frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is amazing that you have written a

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<v Speaker 1>book against the backdrop of this right now. And I

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<v Speaker 1>say that because the writer in me is struggling right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's struggling both with how do I identify my voice and

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<v Speaker 1>find a thing to say that it's mine in this world,

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<v Speaker 1>and also who's around to read it. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be read by a bunch of agents. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to use my writing to be a tool to be

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<v Speaker 1>in conversation with people. You know, I wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>that came out in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a personal book, it was a memoir. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very personal project. But that book became a tool

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<v Speaker 1>for being in deep conversation around things I cared about,

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<v Speaker 1>and it felt like a method of connection. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of me that doesn't trust that a book

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<v Speaker 1>is that right now, even as I sit here in

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<v Speaker 1>my role and I speak to people about their books,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's an unsettled piece, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where will go. But right now it is driving me

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<v Speaker 1>to want to read a ton and not rate a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And I help that pass this because I'm a rado.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I am Coming up next, Jesse gets into

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<v Speaker 2>who she thinks is producing some of the best content

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<v Speaker 2>on LinkedIn right now, including one creator who's built an

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<v Speaker 2>entire offline and online community through her posting strategy. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking for more tips to improve the way you

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<v Speaker 2>work can live. I write a short weekly newsletter that

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<v Speaker 2>contains tactics I've discovered that have helped me personally. You

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<v Speaker 2>can sign up for that at Amantha dot com. That's

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<v Speaker 2>Amantha dot com. I want to talk about LinkedIn, Jesse,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to talk about it from a user's perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, the platform has obviously changed so much

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<v Speaker 2>with people writing using AI and not putting there thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>onto the platform, and this drives me a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>mad because my feed, you know, and I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 2>would hear this every day, my feed looks really different

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<v Speaker 2>to how it did even a year ago, and it

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<v Speaker 2>actually now takes me a bit of work to curate

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<v Speaker 2>my feed. I even did a post yesterday just asking

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<v Speaker 2>some of the people that I really love their writing,

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<v Speaker 2>who are they reading, because presumably people that I love reading,

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<v Speaker 2>people that I would also love And what does it

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<v Speaker 2>take to grow and engage people on LinkedIn these days?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, I feel like stuff that I would

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<v Speaker 2>write a year ago and it would get really high

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<v Speaker 2>engagement is now just getting moderate engagement and then I

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<v Speaker 2>get really confused and then despondent.

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<v Speaker 1>You are not the only person who has said that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I also think that as the condition of modern

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<v Speaker 1>social media more than just a challenge of the LinkedIn platform?

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<v Speaker 3>What do I rate?

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<v Speaker 1>That gats engagement? And then I heard in that and

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me if I'm wrong. I also heard in that. Gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's starting to sound the same, and I'm wondering if

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<v Speaker 1>M wrote it all these posts. Those conditions are conditions

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<v Speaker 1>that I think frame the social ecosystem right now and

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<v Speaker 1>that we are working through. Here's something I believe about content, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to know, Amantha, that you did not use

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<v Speaker 1>your LLM to give me your screed on what makes

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<v Speaker 1>a good leader, right Like I'm talking to you here.

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<v Speaker 1>If I get off of this conversation and I jump

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<v Speaker 1>onto LinkedIn and I read a post from you and

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like an LLM wrote it, I'm gonna really

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<v Speaker 1>have like distaste in my mouth. And that leaves me

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that we are in this interim period when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to how people are using llms to write

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<v Speaker 1>the content on their post, that we've all rushed to

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<v Speaker 1>do it because we think that we can but we

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<v Speaker 1>are all in the process of discovering.

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<v Speaker 3>That UHA does not feel good to read, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, everybody's brusted, everybody's using it, and that this is

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<v Speaker 1>like a bump in the road that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>work through on our way to somebody else. Now, my

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<v Speaker 1>bet is on the human connection piece of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the wonderful thing about LinkedIn as a platform, and the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that has kept me here at LinkedIn for eight

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<v Speaker 1>years working in media, is that we care a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about trust and safety, which means that even if I've

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<v Speaker 1>never met you, I can pretty much trust that you

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<v Speaker 1>are a real person and that you have represented yourself

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<v Speaker 1>according to who you might represent yourself in real life

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<v Speaker 1>ass And this allows for a kind of healthy ecosystem

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<v Speaker 1>around public discourse that does not exist most other places

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<v Speaker 1>in the web right now. And if there is a

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<v Speaker 1>benefit to the fact that LLM has allowed a broader

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<v Speaker 1>group of people to sort of feel empowered to post

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<v Speaker 1>their ideas or feel like they have the skills to

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<v Speaker 1>write those ideas, it is just that that it has

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<v Speaker 1>sort of brought down the bar for access for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks and actually more likely to run into

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<v Speaker 1>more people that you know in real life people I

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<v Speaker 1>know from my kids' school of people I know from

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<v Speaker 1>the last job writing on LinkedIn and being in conversation

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<v Speaker 1>in LinkedIn, and that's not good. I believe the challenging

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<v Speaker 1>pieces like the LLLM thing and how we're all beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to feel and see that these posts, some of these

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<v Speaker 1>posts don't feel like us. But we're smart people, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to figure out how to move past that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>your second question though, and that's what I want to

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<v Speaker 1>take on. And at any point of Mantha, you can

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<v Speaker 1>jump in and be like Jess, you are talking too much.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me end here. But how the heck does one

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<v Speaker 3>do this? What is success on LinkedIn? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is a bigger question even than why did

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<v Speaker 1>I have engagement last year and why don't I have

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<v Speaker 1>it this year? What is success at LinkedIn? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that success is being in real conversations that matter

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<v Speaker 1>with people who have the potential to elevate the issues

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<v Speaker 1>of concern for you in your career. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of little hacks that I always offer to people

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<v Speaker 1>who are trying to just get started. Okay, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to think of your LinkedIn profile as the

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<v Speaker 1>most important piece of what it means to be well

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<v Speaker 1>engaged on LinkedIn, because when somebody goes looking for you,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to search for you. I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>say they're going to Google you, but these days maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they'll go to chat ebt. Who knows where they will

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<v Speaker 1>go to find you. But the first thing they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do is drop your name in some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>search box. And one of the first things that is

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<v Speaker 1>going to come up is your LinkedIn profile. And you

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<v Speaker 1>would be surprised how many people just don't even bother

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<v Speaker 1>to do the basic hygienics here. How do you want

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<v Speaker 1>people to understand you when they find you? And that

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<v Speaker 1>is a visual question, like are you using that little

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<v Speaker 1>headline bar that we give you above your profile photo well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also a question of the texts that you're

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<v Speaker 1>choosing to use to describe what you're about, yoursel story narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you just get that piece right and

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<v Speaker 1>keep that piece updated, you're doing the single most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing you need to do to be successful on LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I work for LinkedIn. I think they would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be psyched if I told you some other things to do,

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<v Speaker 1>And I will just tell you less is more, And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a really important idea to hold.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever anybody gets started.

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<v Speaker 1>With a new social media platform, they commit to goals

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<v Speaker 1>they can't reach. I'm going to post every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>and often goals that misunderstand how the mechanics of the

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<v Speaker 1>social platform work. Here at LinkedIn, you should be aiming

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<v Speaker 1>to post three times a week and to think of

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<v Speaker 1>those posts like conversations, and I would say to author

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<v Speaker 1>them yourselves, and that that is what success looks like. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what should your post be? It should be Should it

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<v Speaker 1>be a newsletter? Should it be video, Should it be

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<v Speaker 1>a poll, should it be a Well, the answer to

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<v Speaker 1>that comes back to how comfortable you are in different media, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>my Colleaguesiana is so good on video. She just picks

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<v Speaker 1>up her phone and can talk to you and you

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<v Speaker 1>are immediately engaged. Video is probably the right medium for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more comfortable writing. I love to write, and a

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<v Speaker 1>very long meati post that is truly my voice, even

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<v Speaker 1>without a strong image, will often engender a great engagement. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you get that post up and you're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how do how do I help this along?

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<v Speaker 3>So you probably suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are a person who has already been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make use of social for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 1>That what happens early on in the life of the

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<v Speaker 1>post is important. That's why you're not going to post

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<v Speaker 1>at four am on a Thursday morning, right, You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to schedule that post for I don't know, Wednesday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>because you want to arrive when people are looking, and

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<v Speaker 1>you understand that how the first group of people respond

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<v Speaker 1>to that post, it's gonna help that post along a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. This is a basic rule of social It

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<v Speaker 1>applies to LinkedIn, It also applies to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>other social platforms. But here's a LinkedIn piece that will

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<v Speaker 1>help you out a lot. We care a ton about

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation around the post, and we reward it. And

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<v Speaker 1>so what that means is, it's not just Amantha that

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<v Speaker 1>you have put up an amazing post about your podcast

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<v Speaker 1>How I Work and this great guest you just had.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that I follow you and noticed and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my goodness, you had ner.

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<v Speaker 3>Iye all on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I really loved that, and then that you jump back

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<v Speaker 1>into conversation. So when our algorithm notices that you have

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<v Speaker 1>jumped in and responded to my comment, yeah, Jesse, I

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<v Speaker 1>got him. Then it says, oh, here's a hot one,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a healthy conversation. And that is what I will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. As a creator myself on the platform has

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<v Speaker 1>been the single most helpful thing for me to help

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<v Speaker 1>my posts find engagement.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. I would love to know, Jesse, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're on LinkedIn presumably for maybe several hours a day

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<v Speaker 2>because of your job. Who are the people that you

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<v Speaker 2>love following the most? Who, in your mind is producing

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<v Speaker 2>really great content and great conversations on the platform?

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<v Speaker 1>So many people. I would point you to Dory Clark.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Dory Clark is. I wonder have you had

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<v Speaker 1>Dory Clark on your show?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't, but I know exactly who she is, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I coleheartedly agree.

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<v Speaker 1>She is phenomenal and she really understands not just how

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<v Speaker 1>social posting works, but what it means to be a

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<v Speaker 1>leader in conversation on the platform. And I would let's

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<v Speaker 1>see who else do I love? Right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to give you the best of the best. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Helper. Aaron Helper is a solopreneur in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>who has built a business helping people who are independent

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<v Speaker 1>consultants connect with each other and grow their businesses. And

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<v Speaker 1>she has a great posting strategy on LinkedIn, and what

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<v Speaker 1>makes it great is that she truly stewards a community

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<v Speaker 1>that exists offline and online, and the online expression of

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<v Speaker 1>that community happens for the most part on the LinkedIn platform.

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<v Speaker 1>And so each of her posts has deep conversations around

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<v Speaker 1>the material, and the conversations in particular, move forward the

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<v Speaker 1>set of ideas that Aaron is trying to advance, and

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<v Speaker 1>those ideas are really related to how you succeed when

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go it on your own. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is particularly important, Amantha, because a lot of what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing as AI disrupts the traditional career ladder is that

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<v Speaker 1>for mid career professionals, senior career professionals, people like myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas the answer used to be if the job that

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<v Speaker 1>you had went away, you were well positioned to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and find another better job, and you should be

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a more traditional job inside a corporation or

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<v Speaker 1>an organization with the benefits, structure and the social safety

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<v Speaker 1>and all the rest. And I realized in North America

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<v Speaker 1>that is particularly important in this moment. I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>that the far smarter move is to become an independent consultant.

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<v Speaker 1>We're living in a moment where companies are over rotating

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<v Speaker 1>on these technologies, and so they are downsizing, and in downsizing,

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<v Speaker 1>they are losing expertise, and in the next couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years they are realizing, oh goodness, we actually needed that

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<v Speaker 1>legal expertise or that marketing expertise. And so there is

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<v Speaker 1>a ripe market for individual consultants who know how to

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<v Speaker 1>market themselves, to productize, and to position themselves to be

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<v Speaker 1>the answers to those problems. And in many ways, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>it used to feel like a more vulnerable position to

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<v Speaker 1>be in because you felt like you had to be

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a hustler, you had to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>your own social safety net, because things feel more precarious

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<v Speaker 1>in general in the workforce right now, it actually feels

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<v Speaker 1>for many people like the safer position to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be in, depending on your industry.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting. I feel like it's a good segue

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<v Speaker 2>into like, what are the skills that you are seeing,

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<v Speaker 2>like in this strange world of work that we're in

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<v Speaker 2>right now, that are the most critical skills And like

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a cliche question, but I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear your view because of where you see it.

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<v Speaker 1>The word that we have traditionally used to describe these

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<v Speaker 1>skills is soft skills, which is such a funny word

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<v Speaker 1>because they are so hard and if you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, you know. But what I'm seeing is

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<v Speaker 1>the differentiator is people who are able to navigate community

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<v Speaker 1>in real life, who are able to be curious and

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<v Speaker 1>smartphone conversationalists who are able to follow that curiosity to

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<v Speaker 1>learn new things on the fly and evolve. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a set of skills that people teach you.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a course that you can take. Rather you

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<v Speaker 1>learn them because they're modeled for you over time if

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<v Speaker 1>you're lucky. But whereas fifteen years ago when I was

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<v Speaker 1>working at Wired magazine and we were trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to tell people to get ahead in the economy,

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<v Speaker 1>we send them to coding boot camps, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>coding boot camp for soft skills, and clearly they matter

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<v Speaker 1>more than anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love what you said, soft skills they had to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>I often think about the importance of good judgment now,

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<v Speaker 2>and how do you teach good judgment? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like I am using that every day

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times a day. You know, like we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>AI and content, where I'll absolutely use it is thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about headings for newsletters and kind of you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm writing a more like sales oriented piece of comms,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always keen to go, Okay, how can I push

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<v Speaker 2>that hook further or how can I push that make

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<v Speaker 2>that headline work harder? So it's actually making people open

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<v Speaker 2>this email. And I'll work collaboratively with my AI, But

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I often think I'm just I'm lying

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<v Speaker 2>on my judgment at the end of the day. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the AI is throwing up ten or twenty or however

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<v Speaker 2>many I ask for, and all I've got is my

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<v Speaker 2>judgment in terms of how effective that use of AI

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be. And I think that is such

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<v Speaker 2>a hard skill to learn, you know, without all the

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<v Speaker 2>experience and all the just the hard yards that certainly

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've put in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, judgment is so much an amalgamation of taste,

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<v Speaker 1>pattern recognition that you get through doing the reps over time,

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<v Speaker 1>and intuition, which some combination of the three of those skills,

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<v Speaker 1>lands and judgment. And You're right that that is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we have that carries us forward, and that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to figure out how to trust Jesse.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I could just talk to you for hours,

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<v Speaker 2>but I need to actually be respectful of time, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're in New York and you need to go home

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<v Speaker 2>and have dinners. So, Jesse, I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for coming on How I Work.

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<v Speaker 2>I've admired your work from far. I love Hello Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, thank you for just creating such a

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<v Speaker 2>lively conversation, not an interview. It's just made an absolute delight.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it, finally getting to actually have this

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<v Speaker 1>time to.

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<v Speaker 2>Connew if you. We released a bonus episode where we

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<v Speaker 2>nerd out on podcasting because Jesse is the host of

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<v Speaker 2>one of the top ranking shows in the US, Hello Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>where she interviews some of the biggest in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of work. We chat all about the art of the

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<v Speaker 2>interview and our respective strategies for making a great one.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a link to that episode in the show

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<v Speaker 2>notes and in your How I Work feed. If you

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<v Speaker 2>like today's show, make sure you get follow on your

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<v Speaker 2>Warrangery people, part of the Coulan nation.