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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the eleventh of July. I'm Sam Kazlowski.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara Sidler.

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Speaker 2: You may have noticed there's a new social media app

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Speaker 2: causing a frenzy.

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Speaker 3: Twitter has some new competition headed to the app store today.

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Speaker 2: Facebook and Instagram's parent company Meta launching Dwinds overnight. Threads

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Speaker 2: is having a huge first week, attracting over seventy million

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Speaker 2: people to the platform, but with Elon Musk threatening to

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Speaker 2: sue Meta for stealing Twitter's intellectual property.

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Speaker 1: The company accusing Meta of poaching former employees to create

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Speaker 1: what it calls a copycat app.

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Speaker 2: Is this or going to end with a fight in

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Speaker 2: the courts, or will we see Elon Musk and Mark

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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg battle it out in a cage match. Will let

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Speaker 2: you know in the deep dive, But first, Sarah, what

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Speaker 3: Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe has told Channel nine she will

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Speaker 3: not seek reelection after her six year term ends in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. Thorpe has represented Victoria in the Senate

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Speaker 3: since twenty twenty. She represented the Greens before quitting the

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Speaker 2: Australia's annual plastic consumption each year produces the same amount

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Speaker 2: of greenhouse gases as five point seven million cars. The

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Speaker 2: more than double by twenty fifty under current projections.

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Speaker 3: At least six people have been killed in a stabbing

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Speaker 3: attack at a kindergarten in China. Three children, two parents

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Speaker 3: and a teacher are the victims. According to AFP News Agency,

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Speaker 2: And today's good news is in the eye of the beholder.

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Speaker 2: I think A new population of a rare native rodent

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Speaker 2: The discovery has been hailed as a win for conservation

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Speaker 2: efforts of the declining species and a loss for Zara sidelines. Zara,

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Speaker 2: are you on threads yet?

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Speaker 3: I am on Threads?

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Speaker 2: How are you finding it?

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Speaker 3: Look? I think it's pretty like. I think that it

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Speaker 3: is esthetically very pleasing to scroll on. I think that

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Speaker 3: it promotes hot takes, and I myself and not someone

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Speaker 3: and that doesn't feel like the platform for me.

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Speaker 2: It definitely feels like people are trying to find their

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Speaker 2: No, we are feet firmly on the ground. We're taking

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Speaker 2: can offer on Threads that we can't offer on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: And it's even hard to know how to describe your

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Speaker 2: We're talking if you're not one of the seventy million.

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Speaker 2: Threads is a text based social media app. It's owned

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Speaker 2: So, Threads users are allowed to post up to five

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Speaker 3: I think that while the interface is quite nice to

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Speaker 3: So, Sam, before we finish every week in our newsletter,

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Speaker 2: Very much true. Elon Musk caught Wins that a competitor

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Speaker 2: very good play to have a cage fight. The New

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Speaker 2: In an extremely tumultuous time for short text based social media.

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Speaker 3: Hearing about two of the world's most powerful men wanting

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Speaker 3: But Elon Musk tweeted, I propose a literal dick measuring contest.

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