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Speaker 1: Joining us on the line right now is the Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah finocchi are O. Good boarding to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and your listeners. A big news day

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it always is, always is busy in here. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that you and I have spoken about

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Speaker 1: though on numerous occasions in recent weeks, is the situation

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Speaker 1: with the Treaty Commissioner. Now we know that the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister had written to the Treaty Commissioner. We also know

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Speaker 1: that the Treaty Commissioner is on two weeks sick leave

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Speaker 1: due to end today. Leah, what needs to happen here?

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Speaker 2: Well, this has been a saiga right from the start.

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Speaker 2: Selena Hubo, the Minister for Treaty, knew about these allegations

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Speaker 2: back in March and did nothing. The Chief Minister's department

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Speaker 2: conducted investigation which they have not released the results of.

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Speaker 2: Guy News had to break this story. We had to

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Speaker 2: call for the Treaty Commissioner to be sacked. We still

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Speaker 2: haven't heard from Selena Yubo on this issue. And of

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Speaker 2: course now the Opposition are the ones who prepared the

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Speaker 2: motion to go into Parliament Friday fortnight if the Treaty

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Speaker 2: Commissioner that doesn't stand down today. So the absence of

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Speaker 2: leadership from the Gunner government on this issue has been

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Speaker 2: absolutely appalling and just shows the level of lip service

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Speaker 2: they're willing.

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Speaker 3: To pay towards abuse against women.

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Speaker 1: Lea. I asked the Chief Minister about this on Monday.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you just heard that audio. He said that

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Speaker 1: it takes about forty five seconds to put together emotion

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Speaker 1: for Parliament. Does that give you any confidence that it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen on that day that you'd said, is

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Speaker 1: it next Friday?

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Speaker 2: No, we don't have any confidence at all. Haven't already

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Speaker 2: written and has been written for a number of weeks, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I mean the Gunner government at the end of the

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Speaker 2: day are all talk. They're following the news on this

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Speaker 2: instead of taking leadership when they found about the issue in.

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Speaker 3: The first place.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for the chiefiness to say, oll, we

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Speaker 2: never follow through on what they say they're going to do.

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Speaker 2: And this is just another example of the government being

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Speaker 2: led around by the media and the opposition instead of

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Speaker 3: On the treaty commissioner. Just devise belief, Katie Lea.

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Speaker 1: We know that the seventy one year old Treaty commissioner

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Speaker 1: is facing accusations of using sexually degrading language and threatening

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Speaker 1: to assault a woman during a football game at Darwin's

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Speaker 1: TiO Stadium. I mean, in your opinion, is there any

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Speaker 1: way that he can continue on in this role following

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Speaker 1: these allegations.

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Speaker 2: No, his position is completely untenable. He should have done

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Speaker 2: the honorable thing and stood down straight away, and he hasn't.

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Speaker 2: Selina Jubo hasn't done the honorable thing by asking him

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Speaker 2: to stand down. This is a commissioner role. The people

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Speaker 2: who hold commissioner roles need to be beyond approach. And

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Speaker 2: at a time when domestic violence is through the roof,

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Speaker 2: we've got government ministers happy to march with women in

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Speaker 2: the Master Justice and you know, profess their commits meant

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Speaker 2: to stamping out this type of behavior. Really, their actions

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Speaker 2: have not met their words. And so it's all right

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Speaker 2: to attend marches and take Facebook photos and herald themselves

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Speaker 2: their own backyard, something as serious as this is happening,

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Speaker 2: and they've done absolutely nothing. So we'll put that motion

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Speaker 2: Friday fortnight, Katie, and hopefully the Treaty Commissioner does the

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Speaker 2: right thing in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: So Lea. So that will be it's not this coming

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Speaker 1: Friday obviously. Do you mean the one following is that

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Speaker 1: when you're going to move that motion.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we've got estimates starting from next week, but

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Speaker 2: we don't sit in official Parliament until that final Friday,

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Speaker 2: so that will be our opportunity to deal with this

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Speaker 3: Commissioner doesn't stand out in the meantime.

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Speaker 2: But if he doesn't, I think it just reinforces the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Chief Minister has no authority in his

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that it will be a pretty embarrassing

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Speaker 1: do that on his own accord, Leah, let's move along.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's been reported. Well, it's just sort

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Speaker 1: Western Australian police have apparently caught four Victorian residents allegedly

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Speaker 1: It will be alleged that the group didn't have a

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Speaker 3: I think we do.

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Speaker 2: And what is really alarming and concerning to territories. For

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Speaker 2: a year, Katie, we have had police on our borders,

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Speaker 2: on our hard boarders, and you know we've been told

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Speaker 2: over and over again that is the best health advice.

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Speaker 2: That is the best health advice, that is what the

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Speaker 2: oh no, the health advices, we don't need to do anything.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't make any sense. For a year, we've

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Speaker 2: that is the best health advice. You know, someone somewhere

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Speaker 2: just think we definitely don't need police in our borders.

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Speaker 2: I mean, our police are so stretched as it is

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Speaker 2: Colder is about fifteen kilometers away from the South Australian border.

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Speaker 2: You've got a head off to fourteen days quarantine and

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Speaker 2: I just can't see how the government is able to

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it a situation though, where realistically we

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it is enough Number one. We've

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Speaker 3: I was out.

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Speaker 2: I still in my own eyes that tens, if not one,

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Speaker 2: just don't think that this magical number plant recognition all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden it cuts the mustard And was that

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Speaker 2: The change in policy position is so stark that it

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Speaker 2: that's not Territorian's problem, that's a government's problem. We've been

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Speaker 2: in this crisis for a year. And if they were

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Speaker 2: then they need to be mobilizing as something else. And

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Speaker 2: if they can't manage that, then maybe they shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: been so bullish and taking over Howard Springs and that

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Speaker 2: have been mobilized in other ways and leave Ozmat to

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Speaker 2: do that quarantine work.

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Speaker 1: Leah, a couple of other things I'm keen to touch

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Speaker 1: There are indeed stuff that are concerned about the testing

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Speaker 1: I mean, realistically, do you think that we need to

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Speaker 1: you've been pretty vocal on this one.

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Speaker 2: Well, for five weeks we've been calling the government out

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Speaker 2: on scrapping rapid entergen testing. This is the test that

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Speaker 2: came back in five, ten, fifteen minutes. People could go

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Speaker 3: Go do all those normal things you do after work.

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Speaker 2: The government came in, kicked OSMD out, came in and

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Speaker 3: Be the same.

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Speaker 2: But to remove the first fundamental test out of a

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Speaker 2: there are COVID positive people just doesn't make any sense

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Speaker 2: it's just unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad the nurses are speaking up.

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Speaker 2: You know, it takes courage to do that, and they're

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Speaker 2: because this is just it's not sitting well with anyone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be a pretty terrible outcome though, if

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Speaker 1: you know, striking out there. It'd be a pretty tough one.

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Speaker 1: If the health stuff out there take that action.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's very serious action, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they don't want to do it. But if they're so

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Speaker 2: know what does it take for the government to listen.

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Speaker 2: They've sat down and they've done the right thing and

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Speaker 2: met with the minister yesterday, and I'm sure Cas will

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Speaker 2: have more to explain about that on your show later,

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Speaker 2: But you know what does it take for this government

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Speaker 2: to actually listen to the people. And they're so busy

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Speaker 2: telling us that they're always listening to the best health advice. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm really starting to question that with the

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Speaker 2: know it's not stacking up, Katie. Something is going fundamentally wrong.

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Speaker 2: We've just had too much change too soon to be

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Speaker 2: backed up by evidence, and I think the nurses are

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Speaker 2: return that quick fifteen minute rapid antigen testing.

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Speaker 1: Leah, I'm keen to ask you quickly about the situation

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Speaker 1: with mental health beds at Royal Darwin Hospital. We know

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Speaker 1: that this is always an area where we certainly require

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Speaker 1: more in terms of those facilities for our mental health,

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Speaker 1: those territories that need that mental health support. I'd had it,

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Speaker 1: I had had its to me that we're in a

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Speaker 1: the mental health ward at Royal Daarhwen Hospital. We also

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Speaker 1: had been told that there was a stabbing at the

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Speaker 1: confirm with us yesterday that there had been an incident

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Speaker 1: which occurred at Royal Dahwen Hospital Emergency department in early May,

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Speaker 1: The staff member is being supported, they say, and the

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Speaker 1: safety and well being of our staff is critical, as

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Speaker 1: is high quality care for our patients. I guess you

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Speaker 1: know there is no denying that we need we need

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Speaker 1: more resources when it comes to mental health. But are

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Speaker 1: you concerned about the fact that you know the public

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Speaker 1: was not made aware of this situation?

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Speaker 3: Well, of course we aren't.

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Speaker 2: It just raises the question of how many other things

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Speaker 2: it's hard to conjure up something more horrific happening in

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Speaker 2: to have. You know, this is obviously a horrific incident

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Speaker 2: but the fact that it was covered up for so

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Speaker 2: long just feeds into a broader narrative of cover ups

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Speaker 2: that we see from the Gunner government and mental health

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Speaker 2: is a very huge issue. We've seen the Dahl and

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Speaker 2: that we need those beds. And of course when you

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Speaker 2: you know, physically sick, that presents a big problem in

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Speaker 3: And we know that mental health, you know, attributes to

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Speaker 2: Outs for example, and other types of services wrapped in

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Speaker 3: So we're very pleased with that is finally happening. It's

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Speaker 3: well over you.

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Speaker 2: But things like covering up the stabbing is just completely

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Speaker 2: that thought, gee, what else don't we know about?

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Speaker 1: Let just finally this morning. It is of course First

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Speaker 1: and thank our first responders for the work that they do.

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Speaker 1: I think it goes without saying that we are all

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Speaker 1: incredibly appreciative of the work that they do in our community.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean, our first responders are our heroes.

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Speaker 3: You know, and whether it's our police who've been having.

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Speaker 2: A really tough time over the last twelve months. Whether

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Speaker 2: you know, any of our first responders. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for everything you do to protect and keep territory

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Speaker 2: and safe. You know, cheers to you today. It's all

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Speaker 2: about you, and we thank you so very much in

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Speaker 2: the tryingest of times. You're there for the good and

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Speaker 2: the bad, and we were indebted to you forever for that.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchio, the opposition leader, thank you so very much

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Speaker 1: for your time. We'll catch up with you again, well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully Friday for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: If I think it's Friday, you have the coffee, I'll

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Speaker 2: have the mast

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Speaker 1: Sounds good, good on Eleiah, thank you