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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Sitdown.

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Speaker 2: I'm Viv Christie, Managing editor of Australian Tennis magazine.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Matrolope a ride for ozopen dot Com and Viv.

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Speaker 3: This week we're going back into the archives almost exactly

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Speaker 3: on this day. Thirty six years ago, Australia's Nicole Bradkey,

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Speaker 3: then known as Nicole Probus, made the semifinals at Rolling

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Speaker 3: Garossi in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: It was an amazing time in Australian tennis. Nicole was

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Speaker 2: just eighteen years old at the time and really announced

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Speaker 2: herself on the world stage with a series of three

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Speaker 2: set wins, including over the fast rising Rancho Sanchez for

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Speaker 2: Carrio and even held a match point in the semifinal.

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Speaker 2: Nicole talked to our colleague Luke Denahee on a life

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Speaker 2: changing campaign in Paris.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for coming in today, Nicole. It was

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Speaker 4: an exciting time in nineteen eighty eight for you, at

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Speaker 4: only eighteen, you made the French Open semi final and

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Speaker 4: I think for Australia it was really groundbreaking. My research

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Speaker 4: tells me that I think the last time in Australian

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Speaker 4: Dian from Oltz made the French Admanals nineteen seventy nine. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So I just want to start off where did the

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Speaker 4: love of clay come? Because you know, Australian, especially in

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Speaker 4: that era, we're known for grass or maybe hardcourt, but

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Speaker 4: not really clay.

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Speaker 5: So where did it come for you?

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Speaker 6: Well, as a proud Victorian, I grew up on what

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Speaker 6: we call anti car courts, which are very similar to clay,

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Speaker 6: but anti car court, so probably the grain is a

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Speaker 6: bit bigger, whereas the clay is more a powder. And

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Speaker 6: so I grew up playing all my junior matches from

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Speaker 6: very young, like eleven, all the way through on anti

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Speaker 6: car court. Every tournament I very rarely. I never played

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Speaker 6: on hard court growing up. It was mainly well, a

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Speaker 6: little bit of synthetic grass, but not many and that

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Speaker 6: was when I went into state. But ninety nine percent

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Speaker 6: of my tournament play was on clay. So therefore I

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Speaker 6: knew how to slide and more importantly, knew with my

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Speaker 6: coach Ken Richardson, had to construct a point.

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Speaker 1: That's what you find on clay.

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Speaker 6: You have to be a little bit more patient and

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Speaker 6: then you have to pick your moments when you want

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Speaker 6: to be aggressive.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 6: I had a great coach, and he taught me a

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Speaker 6: lot of ingrained a lot of those messages in me,

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Speaker 6: and I guess that's why I had a bit of

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Speaker 6: success on the clay courts.

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Speaker 4: You did because the year before you were seventeen and

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Speaker 4: you made the second round of the French Open. What

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Speaker 4: was that experience like that and did that help you

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Speaker 4: for nine eighty eight.

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Speaker 6: I was fortunate to have direct entries into most of

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Speaker 6: the Grand Slams when I was very very young, and

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Speaker 6: so I really didn't have to go through the hard

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Speaker 6: slog of qualifying. So yeah, playing you first, I mean

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Speaker 6: my first for a into Grand Slam was obviously when

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Speaker 6: I got a wild card here at the Australian Open

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Speaker 6: when it was played at Quyon seven. Yeah, there would

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Speaker 6: have been eighty seven, so and that's what kickstarted my ranking.

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Speaker 6: I actually won my first round, So when you win

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Speaker 6: a first round of a Grand Slam, you generally get

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Speaker 6: pretty good bonus points and so then I had to

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Speaker 1: Over second round on senate clo.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, the Australian Open, and then the following year

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Speaker 6: obviously it moved to Melbourne Park. So it's just a

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Speaker 6: really good experience of feeling what it's like to play

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Speaker 6: in a Grand Slam, And obviously you always want to

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Speaker 6: do well in a Grand Slam because, like I said,

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Speaker 6: there's bigger bonus points, there's obviously more money on offer,

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Speaker 6: and all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: So that's why the Grand Slams are pretty important.

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Speaker 5: They were. So what was that era like?

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Speaker 4: And we'll go more into more detail later on, because

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Speaker 4: you had, especially in Naty eight, I think the third

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Speaker 4: seed was Chris Evertt and Matt never had al Over

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Speaker 4: was the second seed, and then you had of course

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Speaker 4: stephie GRAFFI was I think your age, it was the

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Speaker 4: number one seed. Really, it wasn't incredible era for tennis,

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Speaker 4: wasn't it, because you had those legends and then you

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Speaker 4: had the rising stars as well.

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Speaker 5: What was that like?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was just I mean earlier on you get

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Speaker 6: who was traveling with me at the time, like he

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Speaker 6: get acclimatized. It wasn't sort of overroaring for me to

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Speaker 6: Chris Evertt was sort of retiring and things like that.

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Speaker 6: But then, as you said, you know, you had Monica Salis,

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Speaker 6: they were players that played vastly different where today, other

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Speaker 6: than Ash Barty, a lot of the players play the same.

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Speaker 6: So there was a few more single handed backhands, they

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Speaker 6: sliced a bit like Stephie Graftd or you had Monica

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Speaker 4: And I think what we'll discuss this in your matches

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Speaker 4: at the French Ope, and there was a lot of

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Speaker 5: What did you prefer to play against?

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Speaker 4: What did you like the slice back end or you know,

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Speaker 4: as you said, at Ranches Senta's, Ricario Sabertini, they had

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Speaker 4: very different games.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't mind it. I mean I played Stephie

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Speaker 6: new of times. It was almost whenever my name was there,

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Speaker 6: I was in her type at the draws. You get

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Speaker 6: quite used to playing players like that. But I mean Stephanie,

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Speaker 6: Stephie was a phenomenal athlete, so she was able to

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Speaker 6: players got spooked by it, and then it becomes a

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Speaker 6: mental thing where it didn't sort of really bother me,

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Speaker 6: and I learned how to slice as well and counterpart

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Speaker 6: that and things like that. So that's where the mental

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Speaker 6: Ash was playing, they were just you could just see

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Speaker 6: them thinking what am I going to do with this

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Speaker 6: slice backhand? How am I going to play because a

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Speaker 6: lot of them had such extreme grips that find it

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Speaker 6: very difficult to counterpart the slice backhand.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't particularly worry me at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very interesting.

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Speaker 4: Now going to the French Open, you'd won the one

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Speaker 5: Can you remember back what hopes you had for the tournament.

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Speaker 6: You just hope for a good draw, that's what you hope.

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Speaker 6: You hope not to get a seed, that's what you

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Speaker 1: And I have expla.

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Speaker 6: You know, you always once you see the drawer and

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Speaker 6: I guess you're not playing a top seed as the

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Speaker 6: number one seed, or number two seed or three four

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Speaker 6: first round, and it was it was a decent draw

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Speaker 6: for me and I you know, the first two rounds

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Speaker 5: Us through if you can remember those first three rounds.

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Speaker 6: So the first round I don't remember much, but obviously

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Speaker 6: you're quite comfortable playing.

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Speaker 1: You know, a wild card.

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Speaker 6: You think, okay, I should be okay here, which I was.

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Speaker 6: I went quite convincingly. And then I remember, you know,

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Speaker 6: the second round match another French girl, which obviously the

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Speaker 6: crowd's barracking for the French, and that was a lot tougher,

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Speaker 6: you know, losing the first set and then having to

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Speaker 6: win the second, but you know that they were tough

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Speaker 6: matches and you've often for you to succeed in a

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Speaker 6: to go further into a Grand Slam, you've almost got

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Speaker 6: to have these tough matches to begin with. And I

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Speaker 6: felt like that second round match almost put me in

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Speaker 6: good stead for the matches that were to follow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think it at AJD as well? Like

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Speaker 4: nothing to lose? Is it different playing that when you

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Speaker 4: were say twenty five?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the older that you get you do yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean not you get nervous, but if you're not

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Speaker 6: playing that well, little doubt creeps in and like that's

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Speaker 6: what I keept saying, the mental side of things. But

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Speaker 6: I always felt comfortable playing on grass. So if I

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Speaker 6: that I could I could do pretty well on it.

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Speaker 5: I'm great.

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Speaker 4: So Laudia Cota kills a different player again, and I

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Speaker 4: think from she had a slice back end. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: top ten in the world and seven to six and

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Speaker 4: the third that's I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, that was Can you remember that?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 6: I remember that the court that I was playing, it

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Speaker 6: was a beautiful court. I think it was show caught

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Speaker 6: to at the time. It's this beautiful circular court that

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Speaker 6: is just really nice to play in because the crowd

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Speaker 6: feels really encrunched on you. And sometimes when you play

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Speaker 6: And Claudia was a really great doubles player as well

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Speaker 6: as she played with Helena Sikova, so a lot of

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Speaker 6: success there. Hit the ball really flash and once again,

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Speaker 6: you know I'd played a tough three set match the

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Speaker 6: day before, and generally you play one match and then

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Speaker 6: you have the day off and then But I was

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Speaker 6: saying to you earlier on, I was still playing double

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Speaker 6: doubles and mixed as well.

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Speaker 5: So can you remember who you're playing with? That's a

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Speaker 5: trivia question.

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 5: I can't.

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Speaker 1: No, No, that was a bit hard playing with Todd. No, no, no.

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Speaker 6: We only did that I think a few times, all right, Wembledon,

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Speaker 6: and he just said, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Play with you.

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Speaker 6: It's just too It was just it was just too

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Speaker 6: traumatic for him. So you had a big schedule, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I did, but you know that's what you're there for.

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Speaker 6: You're young, you should be able to do that. And

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Speaker 6: so I managed to sneak through and win that match

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Speaker 6: against seven six in the third set. So yeah, I

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Speaker 6: was hitting the ball pretty well, and like I said,

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Speaker 6: she hits the ball flat, so I felt I didn't

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Speaker 1: Her type of game was nice to play against.

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Speaker 4: So you make it to the fourth round, and that's incredible,

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Speaker 4: you know, yes, eighteen years old. Yes, And I guess

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Speaker 4: back home, I got a lot of press and stuff

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Speaker 4: because you were only eighteen, And did you feel any

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I hadn't. I didn't feel any pressure. And

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Speaker 6: I was saying to you earlier as just fortunate enough

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Speaker 6: that my dad had come over and had been I

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Speaker 6: So that was really great. So, yeah, it was I

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Speaker 5: Yes, how did you find that? And how did you

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Speaker 6: So yeah, match point played it really well, played it great.

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Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, I mean I could have hit I hit.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the game change a lot when you

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Speaker 6: And like I did say, I was playing doubles as well,

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Speaker 6: so I kind of knew where to go on the court.

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Speaker 6: If I came in behind a ground stroke, I just

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Speaker 6: didn't run to the middle of the court. You kind

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Speaker 6: like to see that the top crop of players just

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Speaker 6: you know, playing a bit more doubles, because I definitely

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Speaker 6: believe that it does help their singles.

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Speaker 4: So looking and talking about Ash as well, I mean

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Speaker 4: you're run incredible three sets. You know how tough it

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Speaker 4: is on the clay to win. So does that make

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Speaker 4: you think her achievements remarkable?

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Speaker 6: You've been there, yeah, I mean clay's hard to win,

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Speaker 6: just because you're out there spending a lot more time

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Speaker 6: out on court. And then the other you know, it's

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Speaker 6: the grass is a little bit different, it's a little

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Speaker 6: bit more forgiving, it's a bit more softer, you can,

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Speaker 6: the points are probably a bit shorter. And then you

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Speaker 6: go to the US Open where it's really hot and

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Speaker 6: you're playing on the hard courts and very similar to

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Speaker 6: hear it at Melbourne Park now it's really hot. So

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Speaker 6: it's the Welsh you've got to be a great player.

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Speaker 6: It's almost the survival of the fittest as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. So just in summary, like what are

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Speaker 5: your real main memories of that time?

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Speaker 6: Pretty magical, Yeah, it was just I mean it's your

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Speaker 6: first real foray into I guess getting getting deals as well,

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Speaker 6: like clothing and shoe deals and racket deals and endorsements,

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Speaker 6: a sort of put me on the map, which I

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Speaker 6: was very fortunate to be able to do, and then

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Speaker 6: having Dad with me, and then also with Ken, my coach,

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Speaker 6: Ken Richardson's to have, you know, all the hard work

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Speaker 6: that he puts in to enjoy the success as well.

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Speaker 6: I think it's just not about yourself. You often talk

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Speaker 6: about players and their team. Well, obviously when I was playing,

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Speaker 6: you didn't have physios and all those sorts of things

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Speaker 6: with you. But it's lovely to share in the excitement

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Speaker 6: and the thrill of doing really well for others as well.

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Speaker 4: And just one last question, you did get that win

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Speaker 4: of Steffie as we discussed, Yes.

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Speaker 5: That feels good.

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Speaker 1: That feels really great.

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Speaker 6: It was at a time where my parents, both Mum

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Speaker 6: and Dad, were traveling and we were actually at the

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Speaker 6: golf in Sandwich watching the British Open, and I was

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Speaker 6: with Liz Smiley because she was coming across with me

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Speaker 6: as well. And when the drawer came out, I said, Tom,

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Speaker 6: at all, we're playing Germany.

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Speaker 1: You most will just go home. You most well just

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Speaker 1: go home.

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Speaker 6: And so they are at the airport and then they

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Speaker 6: called me because we'd played that day and I'd won.

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Speaker 6: So Mum and Dad were sort of very disappointed that

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Speaker 6: they weren't there to see it, but yeah, it was

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Speaker 6: a nice one to win it and win in a

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Speaker 6: team environment as well. For fed Cup great and we

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Speaker 6: got to the final that year, so when we lost

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Speaker 6: to Spain, so it was once again it was nice

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Speaker 6: to enjoy the success with other people as well.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: Those are some magical memories from Nicole as she looks

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Speaker 2: back on a really impressive career.

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Speaker 3: And also she's another example of an Australian doing well

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Speaker 3: in Paris. When we chatted to Paul McNamee a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks ago on the sit down, he did allude

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Speaker 3: to the fact that Australia you know, doesn't have the

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Speaker 3: same traditional success at Roland Garros or affinity with Clay.

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Speaker 3: But since Provos made the semi finals in Roland Garros,

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Speaker 3: we've had Sam Stoves who make the final. We've had

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Speaker 3: Ash Barty win the title and even now at Roland

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Speaker 3: Garross Alex Demonors through to the second week, the first

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Speaker 3: Dozzie Man to make it this far in seventeen years.

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Speaker 3: So you know, Ozzie's on Clay. There's some good stuff happening.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of great stuff, we'll be back next week

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Speaker 2: with another episode of the sit down when we turn

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Speaker 2: our attention from clay to the grass.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be catching up with Stephen Farrow, a former

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Speaker 3: tournament director of the Queen's Club Champion Chips and now

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Speaker 3: the tournament director of United Cup. And yeah we'll get

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Speaker 3: to pick his brains and all things tennis on grass

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Speaker 3: and in the UK.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, you can tune into John and the

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Speaker 2: team on the Aoshow Weekly on Thursday. Details for how

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Speaker 2: to contact us are in the show notes. Remember to subscribe,

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Speaker 2: rate and review. See you next week, Matt, see Viv