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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiaro. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, yesterday those COVID numbers were back over one thousand.

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Speaker 1: There were one thousand and eighty six new cases of

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Speaker 1: COVID in the Northern Territory. There's currently one hundred and

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Speaker 1: You, Leah, does a Code brown need to be declared

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the very fact that the nurses union

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Speaker 2: shows just how crippled our health system is. Of course

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Speaker 2: it's an extreme move, of course for people who don't understand.

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Speaker 2: A CO Brown really is pulling back anything that is

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Speaker 2: it's not something that can be taken lightly. But of

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Speaker 2: course we've had two years to prepare for this. We

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Speaker 1: Leah, we have spoken about this at length so over

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Speaker 2: Well, we need some form of urgent influx of staff

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Speaker 1: So Lea, are you realistically here calling for the Northern

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Speaker 2: We need help? I know, I think it was in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that is the concerning part here

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday the Opposition revealed that the Northern Territory government could

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Speaker 1: But Leah, surely you think though, that we do need

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Speaker 2: Oh, we absolutely do, because we know people are not

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that, Leah.

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Speaker 2: They should be released at the same time every day.

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Speaker 3: You think's happening here? What do you think's happening?

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Speaker 2: I think the honeymoon's over, Katie. I think they were

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what this shows is a broader issue.

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Speaker 2: in this? Did he have knowledge of this type of behavior?

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Speaker 3: Well, it'd said that he found out.

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Speaker 1: He said that he'd found out this week and that

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Speaker 1: that person then obviously was no longer in the position

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Speaker 1: on that day.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, I think this.

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Speaker 2: Has broader implications for the Chief Minister in terms of

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Speaker 2: his turning a blind eye. He wants to wipe his

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Speaker 2: hands of a lot of things, and ultimately all roads

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Speaker 2: keep pointing back to him. Katie, So you know, we

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Speaker 2: think the Chief Minister needs to be doing more about this.

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Speaker 2: We know he had to have a report into his

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Speaker 2: own office about bad behavior and that report accidentally somehow

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Speaker 2: got in the bin. It just doesn't stack up. He's

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Speaker 2: repeated behavior in running from these types of scandals. It

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Speaker 2: just again doesn't meet the pub.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lea Finocchiaro, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Good to speak with you will no doubt

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Speaker 1: talk to you again very soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Bye.