1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line right now is CAP 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: twenty two security company owner Sandra Mattiazzo. Sandra, good morning 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: to you. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie now, Sandra, you and. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: I I know you. You're you or you used to 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: live in Mount Eyes of many many years ago from 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: a very well known indigenous family that I'm also friends with, 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: and we've met throughout our work, I suppose, or throughout 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: my work through run with Dad. You guys help out 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: and provide the security each year. So I was pretty 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: sort of surprised and upset, I guess yesterday to hear 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: that there was a situation for you guys that which 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: is a pretty dangerous one by the sounds of. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: Thanks, Yes, there was, and it was by chance. It 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: was probably a good thing that we were there. This 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: was at the main tobaccano of thing. You're to the 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: tobacco shop. Then we actually have an ATM and I 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: had a guard in the who's just playing with the keypad, 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: and I don't think the offender even knew that he 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: was in there because it's in the corner. And this 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: is when a young male came in requested about two 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars worth of stock and as a 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: lady was putting it together, he grabbed it and run 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: out the door. Attempted to run out the door. The 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: female employee yelled out to the guard to you know, 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: like grab him, he's robbing me, which the guard did, 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: like he grabbed hold of him before he got out 28 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: the door, wrestle with him a bed. He was head buttered, 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: he was spat on, and it was just handy that 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: another employee happened to be coming over to the shop. 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: So the female employees locked the door. My guard and 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: the other employee, they wrestled with him a bed. They 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: got himTo ground. When they got into ground, he did 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: state that he had a knife and when you know, 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: like when he was able to he was going to 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: stab them. While this was going on, the female employee, 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: she's locked the door, she's called the police. The police 38 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: said to let him go, and the guard did say, look, 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: we've got him secured, we can hold him here, and 40 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: they said, no, just let him go, which I understand 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: is protocol, and they did. And I did confirm later 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: that this is in light of the murder stabbing, you 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: know last week of the alleged him. Yes, yeah, but 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: my issue with this is they've let him go. Apparently 45 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: he's now this happened at about lunchtimes and broad daylight. 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 2: When they let him go, he's run off and that's 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: when they realized later that there was actually a second 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: man outside. They just thought he was part of the crowd, 49 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 2: but they saw him actually hand him something. They don't 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: know what they what he handed. But my big issue 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: with this what I was said about, is an armed 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: offender was let out into the community. 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: And that is a worry that. There is no doubt 54 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: that that's a worry. 55 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: Yes, because you know, and I understand, you know, like 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: where the police are coming from or sorry for the police, 57 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: because they're running around with their hands tied with their feet, 58 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: you know. They it doesn't matter how many of them 59 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: there are, they can't get anything done because of all 60 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: the political rules and all the protocol and all the 61 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: rest of them. Now this is it's just totally out 62 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: of control. I've been in go On for a very 63 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: long time and you know, like I'm from out that 64 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: Queensland and actually Kim will which is a subject of Yeah, 65 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: my grandmother who is Calcaden Royalty and this lady she 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: even she died, you know, twenty years ago, but even 67 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: then she was horrified by the way that things were going. 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: She just said, like, you know, the dignity, she said, 69 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: my black fellows, they're losing their dignity. This is how 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: she used to talk and directly from her. And it's 71 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: just breaking my heart the way that things are going. 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: There's just yeah, that respect for elders is not there. 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: The if I want something, I'm going to take it. 74 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: If I want to be violent, I will do it. 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: There's and it all comes back to the elder, you know, and. 76 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: It's really hard at the moment. Sandra, Hey, like you 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: want your kids to be able to go and do things, 78 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: you want your grandkids in your case, to be able 79 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: to go out and do things, and you want to 80 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: feel like you've got that safety. 81 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I won't even let them catch the bus. 82 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much it puts everyone out, Like 83 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: it's just not safe, you know, even catching a bus 84 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: home from school, they still have to go to a 85 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: bus exchange. And you know, the whole thing is like 86 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: there's and even there's just nothing out there. Like I 87 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: know that we have services, but I don't believe that 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: these are the right services or that they're working. I 89 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: don't know what's happened to the laws about public nuisance, 90 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: public drunkenness, loitering with intent, what happened to the two 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: kilometer rules. That's probably gone because there's like five thousand 92 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: bottle or outlets everywhere, and I don't know why are 93 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: their bottles and Pokey's in the middle of suburbs, Like 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: it brings crime, you know, But for me, everything is 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: about money, Like that's all we're looking at. It's all 96 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: about money. 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've got it. There's got to be some 98 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: serious change. There really really has to be some serious 99 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: change because the way that we're getting on at the 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 1: moment is not all right. It's not okay for people 101 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: to be armed and going in and thinking that they 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: can take, you know, whatever they want and threatening that 103 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: they've got a knife, whether they do or whether they don't. 104 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: Like the incident at b WS overnight, you know, some 105 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: of those incidents, they did have an edged weapon or 106 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: a knife in one instance, I believe allegedly even an 107 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: axe in others. You know, the knife wasn't seen, but 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: how do you know? And how scary is it? Then? 109 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: Yes, well we didn't actually, you know, my guard didn't 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: actually see a weapon. Yeah, the man only stated that 111 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: he had a weapon. However, he did hand something outside 112 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: and you don't know. And for this thief, low life, 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: he's now got a ticket to rob. All he's got 114 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: to say is I've got a weapon and I'm out 115 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: of here. I'll just go and move on to the 116 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: next one. He went up the road and stabbed someone 117 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: then what you know? It's yeah, it's just totally out 118 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: of control. Like they have no fear of prosecution, There 119 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: is no reaction to any action. They know that they 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: can do what they want. If you go around at night, 121 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: if you drive around late at night, there's kids on 122 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: the street at all alans. Like back in the day, 123 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: police would pick up kids take them home if the 124 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: parents weren't there, the parents were in trouble. Now there's 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: none of that. And I'll guarantee you most of the 126 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: time the parents aren't there or there's stuff going on 127 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: at home. You know, the piss don't want to be around, 128 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: that's why they're on the street. But there is nowhere else, 129 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: Like I see a lot of services. Like I sat 130 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: in on a meeting a couple of weeks ago at 131 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: another spot that we look after and they were talking 132 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: about replacing all the what they call them, like the 133 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: little like pads, you know, kids to play with. And 134 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: I said, why are you replacing them? And they said, oh, 135 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: you know they've dimaged them. Well here's another example. If 136 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: you damage it, you will earn another one. Not going 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: to be given another one, because who pays for that? 138 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: You know, free money? You know they oh, we're going 139 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: to do this. We're going to give you this for 140 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: free and that for free. There's how many fabering upshelders 141 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: are there? I think there's only one which is being 142 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: moved out to burrama. You want a nightclift? And I 143 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: was talking to the people that are running and that, 144 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: and they said, it's just full all the time. But 145 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: it's got hardly any bed, you know that. Why is 146 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: there not a self sustaining farm or something like the 147 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: kids that are offending where they can go out in 148 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: a safe area and we talk things, not just you know, 149 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: because a lot of times they throw all the kids 150 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: in the jail. That should only be for the serious 151 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: violent ones that the hardcore offenders. There should be somewhere 152 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: else for these kids to learn things. 153 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: And everyone's just afraid you know, like they know that 155 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: things aren't good, that they can't be looked after, but 156 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: they leave them in that situation when they put them 157 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: into And we've looked after some of these places as 158 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: well through children and families. Yeah, when the kids are violent, 159 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: but they've got the wrong people in these places they're 160 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: worrying about degrees have are people with a bit of 161 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: life skills and a bit of care, you know, and 162 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: people there have said to me, we do this because 163 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: the money is good. You're dealing with people for these kids, well, and. 164 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: You've got to make sure you've got the you know, 165 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: you've got to make sure you got the right people. 166 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: But we've got to make sure we've got the right 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: programs and stuff in place as well. Sandra, I'm really 168 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: sorry we are going to have to leave it there. 169 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having a chat with me today 170 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: and and yeah, I appreciate it, and please keep in contact, 171 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,359 Speaker 1: let us know how things are going. No, I will 172 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: thank you Sandra much very much appreciated. Good on you.