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Speaker 1: The Well and Woody Podcast Mini.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, everyone. I hope you're having a wonderful, wonderful

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Speaker 2: Friday afternoon. I'll tell you what this sound is something

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Speaker 2: that takes me back to any school yard fight when

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Speaker 2: I was growing up. I think back then i'd never

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Speaker 2: I certainly wasn't old enough. My parents wouldn't let me

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Speaker 2: watch Jerry Springer. All I knew was that when there

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Speaker 2: was an eruption that was totally uncontainable but seemed outrageous,

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Speaker 2: you would chant that, only to lay to find out

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Speaker 2: that it was obviously what the audience were calling out

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Speaker 2: during the Jerry Springer Show. Jerry died at the age

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Speaker 2: of seventy nine overnight, which is Yeah, just a time

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Speaker 2: and reflection on that show, and I know that it

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Speaker 2: was truly like a seminal moment in pop culture history.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to speak to one of the producers

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Speaker 2: of the Jerry Springer TV Show right now, and Fred

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Speaker 2: Borick the third who joins as welcome.

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Speaker 3: Fred.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Yeah, really, well, thanks man. I want my first

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Speaker 2: question for you is I heard that the way that

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Speaker 2: the show would work is that Jerry actually didn't know

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Speaker 2: what the issue was between the people that were on

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Speaker 2: the stage, and he would just have the names on

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Speaker 2: a card and then he would he would find out

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Speaker 2: in real time with the audience what what what the

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Speaker 2: the problem was. And I've got some audio here that

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Speaker 2: that illustrates just that. But before I before I hear

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Speaker 2: you elaborate that on that, have a listen, Bob.

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Speaker 4: What's going on? That's always my first question. And he says,

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Speaker 4: my I'm having trouble with the neighbors. What's the problem. Well,

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Speaker 4: they don't like my wife. What's wrong with your wife? Though?

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know. She doesn't make any noise,

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Speaker 4: she doesn't talk to anyone. So this is going nowhere.

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Speaker 4: I figure out this is boring. I look at the

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Speaker 4: next name on the list and it says Pixel. Well,

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Speaker 4: let's bring out Pixel, and out comes this horse.

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Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit about how you

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Speaker 2: set those things up, how you found these people, and

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Speaker 2: how that played out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, you know, basically at the show there was

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Speaker 3: always a hotline as the phone number there would always

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Speaker 3: pop up at the bottom of the screen, and so,

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Speaker 3: you know, we get all sorts of different calls. We get,

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Speaker 3: you know, young kids on Friday night hanging out with

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Speaker 3: the friends Frank calling us, but then we'd also get

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Speaker 3: you know, serious calls and we pursue every leader just

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Speaker 3: you know, just trying to track down stories. And so

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Speaker 3: it is true Jerry would when you go out and

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Speaker 3: just have like the basic information the person's name, you know,

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Speaker 3: just like their age, and it's basically it probably a

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Speaker 3: world class interviewer, you know, you pull details out of people.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's how he kept it fun for

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Speaker 3: himself and how he was able to do the show

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Speaker 3: for a long time because he is like investigation and

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Speaker 3: you know, he's in the politics, and he's you know,

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Speaker 3: worked with Kennedy's for their political runs and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: And he was just a very intricate, amazing gentleman who

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Speaker 3: is very very generous and would take time for anybody.

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Speaker 3: You know, all his fans shoot stuff and signed stuff

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Speaker 3: for him and take pictures and until everybody got to

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Speaker 3: to get their experience with them. Yeah, he would stay around.

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Speaker 2: Did it ever blow up in your face or was

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Speaker 2: there ever a point where you know, you'd organized a

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Speaker 2: confrontational that you were like, you know, we've gone too far,

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Speaker 2: We've put him in a bad spot here, I mean

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Speaker 2: to a point.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, no matter how cornered in, he would

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Speaker 3: get just by, you know, if people got angry or

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Speaker 3: work and stuff out the situation. Now, production wise, there

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Speaker 3: worse and things that were hiccups. You know, finding like

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Speaker 3: a football helmet at two in the morning in Chicago

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Speaker 3: isn't the easiest thing to do, or finding a you know,

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Speaker 3: making the enough jello to have a baby pool for

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Speaker 3: for jelly wrestling. But you know, that's a skill that

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Speaker 3: you put on your resume that now every way has. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's right, But that's what kept the show of fun. Yeah, yeah, experience.

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Speaker 2: I know that there were like some wild is there

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Speaker 2: anything that sticks out in your memory is like the

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Speaker 2: wildest fight or wildest craziest moment on the show?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a couple of brothers

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Speaker 3: that came out there, big burly, like two hundred and

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Speaker 3: one's wife, and you know, they came out swinging. First punch,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of the security guards where

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Speaker 3: trained police officers, and sometimes things get to the point

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Speaker 3: where it was almost too much for him. It was definitely,

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Speaker 2: Crazy, remembering the Jerry springershard.

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Speaker 1: Former Cincinnati mayor and legendary talk show host Jerry Springer

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Speaker 1: has died. In a statement from his family, Springer died

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Speaker 1: peacefully at his home in Chicago. He spent twenty seven

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Speaker 1: years hosting The Jerry Springer Show, which was known for

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Speaker 1: over the top guests and fights in the audience. He

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Speaker 1: was seventy nine years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to talk about just how wild that show was,

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Speaker 2: Jerry spring out. We've got one of the producers from

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Speaker 2: the show, Fred Bark, joins us right now, and Fred,

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Speaker 2: I get the feeling just talking to you previously, you

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Speaker 2: talk about him very fondly, and we were talking about

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Speaker 2: the security guards just then, and I've got a really

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Speaker 2: interesting fact about that, which I'd love to get you

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Speaker 2: to to confirm for me. But before I do that,

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Speaker 2: it seems like, as I said, you're talking very fondly

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Speaker 2: about him, and that's in deep contrast to how the producers,

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Speaker 2: most recently of the Ellen de Generes Show have spoken

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Speaker 2: about her and how a lot of TV producers get treated.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that he would take the security guards

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Speaker 2: out for dinner after the show?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure. The differences between him and

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Speaker 3: Ellen are polar opposites. There was no toxic work environment.

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Speaker 3: Is like a family there, you know, from the cast

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. It's really nice to hear because I treat

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Speaker 2: my producers like shit, So maybe I should dust beneath

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Speaker 2: my feet. Just the stories are truly out righteous. I

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Speaker 2: know you gave us the story about the guy who

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Speaker 2: knocked out knocked out his son, his brother who had

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Speaker 2: been sleeping with his wife liive on stage. Are there

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Speaker 2: any other moments for you that sort of stand out

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Speaker 2: on either end of the scale, to be honest, like

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Speaker 2: great resolutions or you know, really hectic things that you

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Speaker 2: guys were like, oh my god, that is wild that

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Speaker 2: that just happened on Life TV.

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Speaker 3: Some of the fights were just just kind of overwhelming

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Speaker 3: because a lot of times, you know, when they're when

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Speaker 3: they're prepping to go out on stage, they think they're

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Speaker 3: there for something else. And then you tell them the

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Speaker 3: real reason they're there, and then you shove them out

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Speaker 2: Did you have a favorite episode or a favorite moment?

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Speaker 3: The guy who married the Horse was kind of funny,

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Speaker 3: like the Golden rule. Run the office was called strippers

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Speaker 3: and uh, that's kind of a first rule. And the

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Speaker 3: second rule is if they don't have something going on,

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Speaker 3: even though they do, they know somebody who does have

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Speaker 3: something going on. Because strippers are kind of like the uh,

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Speaker 2: They know where the bodies are buried. So you would

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Speaker 2: cold they do. You would cold strip a hotline and

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Speaker 2: asked them for secret secrets on people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah wow, I mean we'd be like, who is the

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Speaker 3: most train wrecked person? You know? You know, sometimes they'd

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Speaker 3: be like, you guys the f guy, which is like

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Speaker 3: the investigation service in America.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well man, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like you're talking of it both fondly in terms of

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Speaker 2: because it looked like it was just this hectic you know,

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Speaker 2: you're putting people up to things that that ultimately were

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Speaker 2: you know, really disastrous for their lives. But at the

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Speaker 2: that you actually confronted the issues that they were dealing with,

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Speaker 2: and you guys managed to get a resolution on television.

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Speaker 2: So like where the rubber meets the road was on

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Speaker 2: So in a lot of ways kind of safety exact,

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Speaker 2: was there any any time that you feared for somebody's safety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so as as production people were to hang out

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Speaker 2: The uh outside the building.

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Speaker 3: And so I get there and there's a broken window

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Speaker 3: like to swing round outside. So they said, they basically

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Speaker 2: Hey, let me get this straight. You gave them rope

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Speaker 2: to do bondage stuff with and they used it to

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, the broken window out and then try

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Speaker 3: to play Spider Man. That's what security guard said. He said,

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Speaker 2: A oh man, that is astounding. Wow. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for all those insides, Fred, and my thoughts are

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Speaker 2: with you at the passing of what sounds like a friend.

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Speaker 3: You know he was, and like his tagline would be,

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Speaker 3: you know, everyone, take care of yourself and take care

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Speaker 3: of each other. Yeah, that's what he wanted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice. That's awesome, mate, Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome. I'm sure everybody's really appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Have a lovely afternoon, for sure, you too.

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