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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Lea. The Opposition, I know had some concerns when the

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Speaker 2: Look, it's better than nothing, Katie, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: So the Children's Commissioner late last week issued a statement

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Speaker 3: She said rushing through laws.

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Speaker 1: That could lead to unequal restrictions on certain groups and

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Speaker 3: Lea, do you believe that these laws are balce Well.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds more for you, Leah and for the

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Speaker 2: Well, the reality is we've got to have stronger laws

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right on Aboriginal land, curfew can't take place.

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Speaker 1: Lia the Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finny is going

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Speaker 1: They are calling on the two major political parties to

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Speaker 3: Is it something that you're prepared to look at?

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Speaker 2: Certainly, and the Police Association haven't reached out to us

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will no doubt talk about it

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Speaker 1: know that they're not meant to be And I think

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Speaker 1: But I just wonder how on earth it's going to

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Speaker 1: people can literally share illegal you know, illegal things, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, and that's why, for example, the CLP

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Speaker 2: will bring in separate ram raid legislation which will have

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Speaker 2: an aggravated offense of posting and boasting. So if you

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Speaker 2: post your ram raid or your vehicle offense, that will

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 2: So there are laws you can change, there are things

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Speaker 2: the safeguards in I think it's a good national debate.

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Speaker 2: I don't have all the answers in Katie, but there

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Speaker 2: must be some out there. Some of it will be laws,

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Speaker 2: some of it will be on the social media platforms

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Speaker 2: around making sure that appropriate content is available, and some

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Speaker 2: of it might be a stronger campaign to support families

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Speaker 2: and parents because you know, you don't know what you

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Speaker 2: don't know, Katie, and so it's a very difficult space

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Speaker 2: for people to be in and access to information can

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Speaker 2: be great, but it can also be very damaging.

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Speaker 1: Leah, before I let you go, and I put this

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Speaker 1: a substantial amount of this message that I can't read

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Speaker 1: out because we do not want to, you know, to

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Speaker 1: reveal this victim of crime who they are. But essentially

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Speaker 1: they've asked for me to ask you and of course

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister, what where are you for victims of crime?

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Speaker 1: This person's wife was killed and they came home to

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Speaker 3: And really, you know, he wants to know.

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Speaker 1: Where are both the political parties when it comes to

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Speaker 2: I have actually spoken to your text to Katie and heartbreaking,

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Speaker 2: and yes, more needs to be done to support victims.

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Speaker 2: More also needs to be done to stop people becoming victims.

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Speaker 2: But in that case there are a number of questions raised.

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Speaker 2: I took a lot of notes in that conversation, and

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Speaker 2: we certainly have a lot of questions of government as

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Speaker 2: and we certainly will be making announcements around victims of

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Speaker 2: Now there's you know, having a car stolen, and then

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Speaker 2: And so it seems very clear to me that more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good, well, look look forward to hearing exactly what

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Speaker 1: the CLP's plans are in that space. Another listener question,

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Speaker 1: just to finish things off this morning, Leah paul in

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Speaker 1: Malac wondering is the CLP going to continue to fund

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, of course absolutely. We know that Territorians love it.

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Speaker 2: You know, the budget's been set. We're very focused on

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Speaker 2: making the territory a great place to live, a great

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Speaker 2: all of these lifestyle pieces are critically important to us

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Speaker 2: generates money through our economy. So absolutely no worries at all.

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Speaker 2: We could even make it bigger and better.

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Speaker 3: Leah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you as always for your time, good luck for

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Speaker 1: the final week of Parliament in its current form.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the interesting week ahead. Unfortunately not as much on

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Speaker 2: the agenda as the COLP would have liked to see

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Speaker 2: from Labor. But I guess why would they change what

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Speaker 2: they're doing After eight years of failing to deliver. I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't expect them to start delivering now, chat, I tell

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Speaker 2: you what.

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing more and more of these election pitchers as

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Speaker 3: we edge closer to the election.

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Speaker 1: One from Eva yesterday, half a one from you today,

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Speaker 1: one from Steve Edgington on Friday. It's all go, that

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Speaker 1: is for sure, Leah. Thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Much appreciata we'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Take care everyone, Thank you,