1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: James and Amanda's gem Nation. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: When it comes to the kinky history of sex is 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: me James doctor ism. James has everything covered from front 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: to bed. She's got three million followers on social media, 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: so it's a lot of people. She's imparting this source 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: of information too, and she joins us right now is 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: may high Hello? 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 3: How are we very well so have when. 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: We talk about history, we don't talk about sex. Have 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: we airbrushed sex out of history? 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Absolutely? Go back to any of your textbooks and 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: you'll find that there's this like very crucial part about 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: being human having sex that is just absence. And we 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: will talk about things like how people ate, how people slapped, 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 3: all of these various things, but the one thing that 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: guarantee we have a history at all for creation just 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: isn't there. And we lose so much of history because 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: there's so much that we can learn about, just like 19 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: our relationships that we've had to our bodies, to the 20 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: ways that we express our desires, where freaky or not, 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: that we're just kind of missing from the story because. 22 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's a lot of sexual acts 23 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 4: and I'm not going to be too graphic, but there's 24 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 4: a lot of them, and you think, well, who invented that? 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: I can probably tell you. 26 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to candicoat this, and that's not a euphimism. 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 4: But say, for example, the. 28 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: Here we go missionary, okay, missionary, yes, let's start with that. 29 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: Who who came up with that? 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: There's no you were actually bang on. It was the missionaries. 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: So there was a certain period in Europe, medieval Europe, 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: where missionary was considered the only position that the Church 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: would endorse. Why because they believed it was the least pleasurable, 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: especially for women, and they believe that sex for enjoyment 35 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 3: was a sin. This is a belief in European history 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: for a very long period of time. Having sex for 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: enjoyment is just as bad as committing adultery, right, And 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: so they preach missionary as the position for every good 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: Christian and it becomes the position that the missionaries preach 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: across the world world, and hence where we get the 41 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: name today. 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: What are some of the kinkid, more interesting parts of 43 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: history and sex that you've discovered. 44 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: I think every famous figure that we look up to 45 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: gens tends to have a bit of a kinky past. 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: You know, one of my favorite ones that I love 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: to quote is Einstein, a man who's you know, synonymous 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: with genius. He had very passionate beliefs that monogamy was 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: the fruit of all evil. For Nan, he believed that 50 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 3: everyone should express free love and that humans would be 51 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: happier if we shared each other around. And he very 52 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: much practiced what he preached when it came to that, 53 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's got some hair to tug. 54 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Really, are we meant to be monogamous? 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 4: Like if you went back, say to the five hundred BC, 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 4: were they monogamous back then? 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: We have very different relationship structures throughout history, which is 58 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: also something that's so interesting. I think today about monogamy 59 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: is just something that we assume, but a lot of 60 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: cultures don't practice monogamy or they have different understandings of 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: how that works. So back in places like ancient Rome, 62 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: for example, it was very common for men, especially to 63 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 3: engage in multiple different relationships, but also there's a lot 64 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: of exploration with other men and for women as well. 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: In places like ancient Rome, you know, we don't have 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: that concept yet of binary genders, and so there is 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: this kind of free flowing love, but you would have 68 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: your person on paper that you're kind of married to 69 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: for political reasons or social. 70 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: Reasons, and was it also for security reasons because it 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: wasn't that the old adage that men would have sex 72 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: with anybody, but the structure of marriage met women had 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: a protector. 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and you've got your protector, you've got your 75 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: kind of financial person there. But you know, when you 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: get periods of time where the Spartans go off to war, 77 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: they're boosting morale between each other. Women are keeping themselves 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: equally interested, like back at the house. 79 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: What are you doing, soldier, I'm fisty morals. That's fascinating. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: Was also saying that was really encouraged for a lot 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: of armies. We had this army called the Band of Thebes, 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: which was an army made up of one hundred and 83 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: fifty gay couples essentially, and the theory behind it was 84 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: that these men would fight harder on the battlefield if 85 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: they were protecting the man that they loved. And it 86 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: worked like this is the band that you know defeated 87 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: the Spartans. 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: Because Alexander the Great was he gay? Yeah he was gay? 89 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, but then again it's really hard, right because 90 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: we don't even have concepts yet of homosexuality and heterosexuality. 91 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: Was that the church that shifted that it is and. 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: We only gained this concept about two hundred and fifty 93 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: years ago. It's something that's quite new in thinking. 94 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: So when you perform your stage show, because you are 95 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: taking your eggplant tour around the country, do you have 96 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: audio visuals? What's the show like? 97 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: It is a bit of everything. We have bellsque dancers. 98 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: I do a tap dance as a giant eggplant, so, 99 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: you know, wonderful. But also we've got a lot of, 100 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: as you say, audio visuals. I believe that everyone should 101 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: see the pictures of the prehistoric sex toys that I'm 102 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: talking about. You know, it's really important. But also, as 103 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: you know, this is a fantastic way to learn. These 104 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: stories are fun and they're quirky, and you know, they're real. 105 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: They're real, and it's a huge part of history, and 106 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 3: you know, we need to make history more fun. 107 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: It was the first person to use the eggplant as 108 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: an emoji. 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: Oh as an emoji? 110 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: Some when did that become? 111 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 4: You know, because now when you text something, you can't 112 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 4: send eggplants. 113 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: You can't send spurdy water. 114 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 2: But you'd be sending an eggplant. I'm at the grocery store. 115 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot about you. 116 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm getting egg plant in spurdy water. Now, I don't 117 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: know why. You know, someone had to come up with that, 118 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I think so well. 119 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: I do know that some people do use it innocently 120 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: because when my Bookkinky History came out, I've got a 121 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: big eggplant on the cover, and I have found it 122 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: in the cooking section times really cooking up storm. 123 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: In the fascinating kinky absolutely fascinating doctors May James. 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