1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: We are hearing well. Certainly there is some concern that 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the future of Shady Camp boat Ramp as a mecha 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: for recreational fishows well. The COLP is saying that it 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: remains uncertain after an Aboriginal Land Commissioner report recommended the 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: area for a land claim without proper regard for the 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: extensive public use of the area. Joining me on the 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: line to talk further about this is the Shadow Minister 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: for Parks and Rangers, Bill Yan. Good morning to you, Bill. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners. 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Bill. What exactly has happened here, because I'm sure that 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be hearing this 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: and be quite surprised as I am. 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, only just recently, Katie, when we were getting 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: some briefings on some of the changes the Fisheries Act, 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: so discussions about some of the ongoing land claims in 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: the area of course on some of their waterways, and 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: we went digging a little deeper and we found the 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: report from the Aboriginal Land Commissioner which recommends the land 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: be granted to a body, but also states in that 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: report that this is from the report evidence of public 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: use of Shady Camp barrage is limited, safer sporadic instances 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: of recreational fishing. I think, along with every wreck fisher 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: in the territory, finds out pretty hard to believe because 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: I'll send lines of thirty to forty boats trying to 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: get onto that ramp to get out on the water, 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: and hundreds of boats out there on the river. It's 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: one of our most popular and iconic fishing areas in 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: the territory. So with the fact that the access to 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: the area and now I suppose it is unclear, and 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: the fact that the Labor government haven't come out in 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: support of wreck fishers on this matter is certainly a 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 2: bit of a worry for me and certainly a worry 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: for wreck fisher Well. 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: And look, a lot of people are probably hearing this 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: for the first time and thinking, hang on a second, 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: so what exactly are you talking about? So where so 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: where has this comment been made and where exactly you know, like, 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: is the evidence that this is going to happen. 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of land claims that they back 40 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: right to nineteen ninety seven that have still been worked on, 41 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: and this has been one of them. So there's a 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: lot of processes to go through about how a land 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: claim is approven. I won't go dow because I don't 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: think you had the time, Katie. But some of it 45 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: comes down to the measurement of detriment to the community. 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: Now af hand done a survey and sentenced through to 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: the Lands Commissioner who's in Canberra. It was somewhere south 48 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: of here, and the Lands Commissioner didn't take that survey 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: into account and pretty well said because it was from 50 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: a group of already dedicated to fishers, that they weren't 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 2: going to take that into consideration because it wouldn't have 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: been fair on the traditional Carstadians or the people responsible 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: for that land. And again I find that really really 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: difficult to comprehend because our recfisher is a part of 55 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: our community. And it's not just about our community either, Katie. 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: This is an iconic piece of river and an iconic 57 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: piece of the territory that every reckfish our in Australia. 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: I think knows about Shady Camp and I think everyone 59 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: wants to get down there and catch a huge barrel 60 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: mundy and this may change how access is gain to 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: that area well. 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: And this report was making recommendations obviously to the Federal Minister, 63 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: is my understanding of it. What's the process now built 64 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: from your understanding? And how can territorians make sure that 65 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: their voices are heard? 66 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: Well? I think the assessments have been done. It's obviously 67 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: the government haven't come out in support of rec fishes. 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: Where's the government come out and said, look, we don't 69 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: really agree with this because in the documentation we've seen 70 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: the Labor government supports the grant of this land to 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: traditional Castadians. So government haven't come out and supported red fishers. 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: And of course, if you look at not just Recfichoes 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: and territory, but recfichoes across the country, they should have 74 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: been out there fighting tooth and nail or at least 75 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: supporting the recfichers and working with the traditional Castadians about 76 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: what access is going to look like to that area 77 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: and to make sure that access is there for all 78 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: Territorians now and into the future. 79 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: And Bill, I like, if it's not, and if we 80 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: wind up in a situation here where you know, where 81 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: territorians can't actually go there for recreational fishing or even 82 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: tour guides being able to take out different groups, what 83 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: impact is that going to have? 84 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: It's going to have a huge impact. K you look 85 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: at the red fishing industry, it brings in tens of 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 2: millions of dollars into the territory, whether that's from tourists 87 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: or our local guys boats and fishing gear. I don't 88 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: know how to say how much money else been on 89 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: my stuff, because I get in trouble with my family anyway, 90 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: but that number is huge, And particularly if you look 91 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: at businesses the use Shady Camp, those fishing tour operators, 92 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: this is going to affect their livelihoods. So if there's 93 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: not some clarity and consistency in access to that area, 94 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: it's going to have a huge impact on the economy 95 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 2: into the territory and a huge impact on those businesses 96 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: that are running fishing charter operations out of that area. 97 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: Where else can they go? 98 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Well someone's just messaged through. Mary's just messaged through and 99 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: she said, good morning, Katie, regarding Shady Camp. If there 100 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: was no usage, why did the Northern Territory government spend 101 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: millions to upgrade the ramp and the car port in 102 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: recent years? 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right, Katie. So the Orlitarity governments invested 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 2: millions of dollars down there, on the infrastructure for Shady 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: Camp and then for the federal minister, sorry for the 106 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: Aboriginal Lands Commission to come out. So evidence of use 107 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: is sporadic instances for recreational fishing, just it doesn't gel 108 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: with what we actually see on the ground. So there's 109 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: a huge disparity between what the Lands Commissioner has put 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: in a report and what is actually happening on the ground. 111 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: And that's a huge concern to me. 112 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: Bill. Is the CLP just scam hungering on this one? 113 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean, is it a situation here where you know 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Shady Camp's not going to be closed off and you 115 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: know that the government is going to work with the 116 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: federal government here and the CLP is trying to get 117 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: some political mileage. 118 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: Now, what I'm trying to do, okay, and what the 119 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: CLP is trying to do is make sure that we 120 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: have access to our rivers and ramps for all territories 121 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: and for all visitors in the future, and that there's 122 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: some clarity and certainty around what that's going to look like. 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Because at this point in time, this report came out 124 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: just before the federal election that we had, of course 125 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: our budget and estimates, and it sort of went under 126 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: the radar and nobody seemed to know about it that 127 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: the government did because there was some of the representatives 128 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 2: from the wreck Fischio groups in the territory wrote to government, 129 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: and government haven't responded to them, and that certainly is 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: a concern. It smacks of trying to keep things hidden 131 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: the way they certainly like to do on occasions and 132 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: ram things through. And we want to make sure that 133 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 2: there's clarity and certainty and access for all territories to 134 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: those areas that we all like to use and it's 135 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: certainly part of our territory life sole and we certainly 136 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: want to protect that. 137 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: We are going to be catching up with that just 138 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: after ten o'clock this morning, so no doubt we will 139 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: ask more. I know they've got their AGM tonight as well. 140 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: Thank you as always for having a chat with us 141 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: this morning. Before I let you go, though, what was 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: your reaction to those scenes out of Catherine from overnight. 143 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: Oh, it's absolutely disgraceful, okay, And it's so scary. We've 144 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: had instances like that down here in Central Australia, but 145 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: to actually see youth in stolen cars ramming police cars, 146 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: that takes things to the next level. The government has 147 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: to act immediately because this stuff can't be allowed to continue, 148 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: because someone's going to die sand or get seriously injured. 149 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 2: Something needs to be done straight away to stop this 150 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: sort of behavior because we're spiraling down the rabbit hole 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: and I don't know where we're going to end up 152 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: in the future. Caddy, it's so scary, it's not funny. 153 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: Well, Billian, we always appreciate your time. Thank you, thank 154 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: you very much for coming on the show this morning. 155 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: No doubt we'll talk to you again soon. 156 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: Stardy, thank you.