1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day admits she questioned 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: her husband's intentions when they first started dating, Why Australian 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: influencers are making the switch from only fans to playboys 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: create a led platform, and how employing a fake assistant 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: can get you further in life. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: news twice a week. 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm Kate Torbert and I. 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Am still feeling so embarrassed after going out in public 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: with you yesterday, Sophie to get our driver's license. Why 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: is it me that all these embarrassing things are happening too? 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: So we had to renew our driver's license. Fun fact 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: they go out of day on our birthday which is 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: next week. So I don't know it felt weird or 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: going together. I feel like the lady gave us a 16 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: weird look. Well, we had to get new photos, that's 17 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: why we had to physically go down there, and I 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: was expecting to be asked all the annoying triplet questions, 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: but she didn't say anything. She was actually so lovely. 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: But I had to have my photo taken first. You 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: guys dogged me in to go first, then it's your turn. 22 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: And anyone who has ever taking a selfie with Sophie 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: before will know that Sophie has to have a particular side, 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: have a very angular face, and you will stand there 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: and almost shake on the spot. And that's what you 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: did in front of the camera and through her, because 27 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to smile in the photos anymore. 28 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 2: So when you stood there. 29 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: Blinking and just moving ahead the whole time, well I 30 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: was just waiting for her to press the flash, but 31 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if they were doing some sort of 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: face recognition thing, and that was really putting me off. 33 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: The who. 34 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: She takes so long because she was waiting for you 35 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: to stop moving on the spot because I can't actually 36 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: I can't do that closed mouth smile that people do 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: or the little power. 38 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: I was worried that my fact, I. 39 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Was pulling a really weird expression. 40 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: Do you know what Sophie looked like? It's one of 41 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: those bubble heads. 42 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: The most annoying thing is that your photo's probably be 43 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: going to turn out nice because you had three goes. 44 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: I was one and done this ecusey Cappuccino. 45 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: I asked for a decab cafe, loved you and company. 46 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: Kim herself ever, wondered how people manage to get that 47 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: impossible restaurant booking or hotel upgrade. TikTok has a genius 48 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: hack for you. All you need to do is hire 49 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: your own fake personal assistant. Journalist Ella Quitner wrote a 50 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: brilliant piece in The Cut about the phenomenon. She did 51 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: take one for the team, though, and had to out herself. Yeah, 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: she did have to confess that she has created her 53 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: own personal assistant called James, but she did it as 54 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: an experiment to test a TikTok theory that kept popping 55 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: up on her feed that a fake personal assistant will 56 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: get you further in life. The best part is her 57 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: personal assistant, James has a whole backstory and persona. So 58 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: according to Ella, he's a bookish NYU student who is 59 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: polite but persistent. Apparently he learned to be dogged from 60 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: his mother, who was a line producer at sixty Minutes. 61 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: James is also very good at his job. 62 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: He got a tickets to a sold out show, and 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: he even goes that little bit further in her personal life. 64 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: So he reached out to her best friend's husband to 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: organize her birthday present so they didn't have to have 66 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: that awkward transactional conversation. James has even contacted Ella's doggy 67 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: daycare to inquire why photos of her dog don't show 68 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: up as much. Now I have to reiterate that James 69 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent fake, so it's actually Ella doing 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: all of these things. I need one of these James 71 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: personal assistants in my life. I feel like it gets 72 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: rid of any awkwardness. You get what you want. It 73 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: is genius, though, because sometimes it's so awkward having to 74 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: deal with some emails. Where would be better off if 75 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: you did have somebody asking the tough questions. Well, Ella 76 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: is not alone, so you may as well jump on 77 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: the bandwagon. According to a publicist at a New York 78 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: based agency that specializes in hospitality, a fifth of the 79 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: assistance she interacts with are fake, so the way she 80 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: spots a fake is the way they communicate. So fake 81 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: pas will often always email because they obviously don't want 82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: to talk on the phone. Another big telltale sign is 83 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: when an assistant will send an email but it will 84 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: come from their boss's email address. I've got to admit, 85 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Sophie and I did have one of these accounts for 86 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: our business because it got a little bit awkward sending invoices. 87 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: So we actually created an accounts at Hula Media one 88 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: and it was so much better because you know, when 89 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: you work in PR and you're meant to be super 90 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: friendly to people, you don't want to be like, where 91 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: the hell is that payment? Like it's ten weeks overdue. 92 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't think the person had a name though, no 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: memory or this elaborate backstory. Maybe we needed to create 94 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: that for it to be more realistic. 95 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 96 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: Well, as I said, many people are doing this and 97 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: it's quite interesting to see what people get their fake 98 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: assistance to. 99 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: Do for them. 100 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: So Ella interviewed a range of people who used fake 101 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: assistance to further themselves and fake assistants task varied from 102 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: person to person. So some use their fake assistant to 103 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: screen potential introductory meetings and determine whether inquiries are serious. 104 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: Others even through their assistance under the bus, if they 105 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: were like missed a meeting relate to a meeting, they 106 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: just put the blame on the fake PA. 107 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: Such a good idea. 108 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, then there are those who just used fake assistants 109 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: to get perks like hotel room upgrades. And access to 110 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: booked out restaurants or first class lounge access. And for 111 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: others it's not about perks, but just a nervousness to 112 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: ask for pretty reasonable things. I feel like it adds 113 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of clout to the person as well, 114 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: like when somebody says they have a person assistant, you think, Wow, 115 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: they must be doing pretty well. It also creates this 116 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: buffer between you and the person and also rejection, because 117 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: if you're not putting your name out there to be 118 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: rejected as just this fake person, you feel a lot 119 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: better about the situation. Oh it's a great smoke screen 120 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: and a level of protection for your ego. And as 121 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: you said, Amy, if someone's important enough to have a PA, 122 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: then you kind of want them at your restaurant. And 123 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: it makes people buy into this myth of who you are. 124 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: I'm one way way to go shoot for pleer Boy. 125 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: So I'm really excited. 126 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm nervous, but I'm really excited. Playboy has relaunched, is 127 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: create a lead platform, and is on a mission to 128 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: rival OnlyFans. Ossie models and influencers are reportedly making the 129 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: move to the classy alternative. But will the apps approach 130 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: win out? Amy can you tell us about this Playboy app. Well, 131 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: they first launched their own creator lead platform in twenty 132 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: twenty one and it was under the name Centerfold. So 133 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: at the time, Rappacardi b was tew as the creative 134 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: director of the app and the founding member. So recently 135 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: Playboy quietly relaunched this platform as Playboy dot Com and 136 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: it's already attracted some well known US names, including Jordan Woods, 137 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,559 Speaker 1: who was of course Kylie Jenner's XBFF and Amber Rose. 138 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: Well known former Pawn stars Miya Khalifa and Lana Rhodes 139 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: are also on the app, and on a local front, 140 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: Megan Marks, Gabby Epstein, and Gina Stewart have signed up 141 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: to the platform. 142 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 2: You mentioned that Carti b. 143 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: Is the creative director of this app. I didn't know 144 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: that she had any connection with Playboy. It's interesting that 145 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: they're trying to tout a female as the founder of 146 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: this new app. It is so she was the creative 147 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: director of Centerfold, so it's relaunched under a new name, 148 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: and it's not really clear if she is a part 149 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: of this app yet. But as you said, it is 150 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: pretty clever of Playboy because they have cops some pretty 151 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: bad publicity over the last couple of years, so to 152 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: put a female front and center, it's quite clever. I'm 153 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: not sure how clever it was though, because it didn't 154 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: seem like it got much attention. Centerfold has had to 155 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: rebrand as Playboy dot Com and I had never heard 156 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: of it until now, And I think that Playboy must 157 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: be pushing this promotion because they are really trying to 158 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: point out the differences between these apps. So if you 159 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: think of the platforms like dating apps, Playboy is trying 160 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: to position itself as like a rayer. Well OnlyFans is 161 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: the equivalent to Tinder. So unlike OnlyFans, when anyone can 162 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: sign up, Playboy dot com creators have to be accepted 163 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: to join, and I think this move is to ensure 164 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: that the Playboy creators live up to the original Playboy brand. 165 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: Another big difference is Playboy dot Com operates under similar 166 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: guidelines to the original magazine and allows nudity but not pornography. 167 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: So it's being called a classy and glamorous alternative and 168 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: being marketed to a more conservative demographic. I can kind 169 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: of see why it didn't work the first time. I 170 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: don't know how appealing that is to people when you 171 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: have only fans as an option because they're offering up 172 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: celebrities or models as opposed to everyday people. Is it 173 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: the same kind of access as OnlyFans. Yeah, basically it's 174 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: the same thing. So you can still interact with the 175 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: creators on Playboy dot Com. You can send them tips, 176 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: And I agree Sophie, I think that having this format 177 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: may attract bigger models and bigger celebrities who are okay 178 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: with showing nudity but don't want to be doing hardcore porn. Yeah, 179 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of like the magazine has just become the app. 180 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: Because you think about Kim Kardashian, I mean, is she 181 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: going to sign up to Playboy dot Com Because she's 182 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: featured in the magazine a number of times. You're not 183 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: going to clearly get that interaction with her, though you might. 184 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: I mean you might do it as Oh, we've got 185 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian on the app for a month, she's getting 186 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: five million dollars and she will send you some messages. 187 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: How quickly do we think Playboy dot Com is going 188 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: to try and pote some of OnlyFans biggaus creators. Do 189 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: you think we'll be seeing Anna Paul and Mikayla Tester 190 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: on a local front move over to there. I don't 191 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: think so, because I think it's going to be challenging 192 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: for those people that are very well known on OnlyFans 193 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: to move from an app where they've been selling hardcore 194 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: porn over to one that is selling more tasteful nudes. 195 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: Their fan base is likely to be very unhappy with 196 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: this change, but it might be a progression for some 197 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: creators who feel like they don't have to give more away, if. 198 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: That makes sense. 199 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: Oh. I think Playboy dot Com is a very attractive 200 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: option for those who originally just wanted to sell nudes 201 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: online because there are a lot of reality stars that 202 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: started out on OnlyFans with the intention just to sell nudes, 203 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: and I think once they got onto the app and 204 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: saw that they had to keep everyone's attention in order 205 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: to keep getting paid, they have naturally progressed into providing 206 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: more and more risk a content. When you say I mean, 207 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: you say nudes, but there's also people who are offering 208 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: bikini shots or just the ability to be able to 209 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: interact with them, so it's not always nudes. Yeah, I 210 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: think nuds is the furthest that you can go on 211 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the Playboy app. What do you make of the exclusive 212 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: nature of the Playboy app? Do you guys think that's 213 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: a good idea? Well, it definitely makes Playboy dot Com 214 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: have a point of difference to OnlyFans. I do wonder 215 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: if it will be people in their sixties to seventies 216 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: who are used to reading the magazine that will be 217 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: the target audience. Because they spoke about being a different 218 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: demographic to your only fans. I wonder if they're thinking, well, 219 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: we'll have the young guys who just watch a lot 220 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of porn will go to O OnlyFans, and then the 221 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: older men who are used to magazines, they might try 222 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: their luck at Playboy dot com and then double their 223 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: toes in interacting with the models and the creators. Well, 224 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: the Nameplayboy dot com, I mean that just sounds old 225 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: school anyway, who refers to an app as Playboy dot com? 226 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: And secondly, I wonder if this will make only fans 227 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: reconsider its exclusive nature, Like, obviously anyone can sign up 228 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: to OnlyFans, but maybe they might look at only allowing 229 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: you to sign up to only fans when you have 230 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: x amount of followers on Instagram. Because there has been 231 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: criticism around the app just accepting anybody you know, so 232 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: like an eighteen year old who has no following and 233 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: really not a lot of chants attracting followers can sign up. 234 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: It's quite ironic because while Playboy is marketing itself as 235 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: this classier approach, Only Fans is becoming increasingly more controversial 236 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: and explicit. So you only have to take a look 237 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: at fifty one year old maths contestant Michelle karen So. 238 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: She made headlines when she engaged in a twelve person 239 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: bisexual orgy on the platform, and she's also spoken about 240 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: how often subscribers will ask her to perform extremely unhygienic 241 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: sex acts for money on the platform. 242 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if stories like this are doing much 243 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: for the platform. 244 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like maybe it's making more 245 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: people signed on. Michelle she actually got conned recently, she 246 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: got scammed out of a lot of money. Well from 247 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: a bigger celebrity perspective. Iggy Azalea has recently signed onto 248 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: OnlyFans in January, and she originally said she was going 249 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: on the app to sell a multimedia project that would 250 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: encompass art, photography, poetry, and illustrations However, in a recent 251 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: interview with Andy Cohen, she admitted she's been making a 252 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 1: large amount of money by sending degrading voice messages to 253 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: male subscribers with humiliation kinks. So you can see how 254 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: people go on the platform for one reason, but suddenly 255 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: with the lure of money for doing these explicit things. Well, 256 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: Olivia Attwood, she had that doco that was all about 257 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: OnlyFans and other platforms similar, and that's what she was saying, 258 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: that these people get into only Fans and they go, no, 259 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm only going to post this one photo, and then 260 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: they realize how much money they can actually make that 261 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: they often do things that they never thought they'd do. 262 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 3: Well. 263 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: Radio personality feefee Box. She has recently joined the platform 264 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: and is selling photos of her feet in order to 265 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: raise money for charity. I saw Daily Mail shared something 266 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: about it, but they made it like the clickbait headline 267 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: was next level. Yeah, I can just imagine. Well, one 268 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: person that is stepping away from OnlyFans and maybe is 269 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: going on to Playboy dot Com is Black China, and 270 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: she was one of the platform's top creators. She said, 271 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff is dead end, and I know I'm 272 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: worth way more than that. I feel like I have 273 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: bigger fish to fry. Shout out to the people that 274 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: still have the earni fans and stuff like that, get 275 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: your money, don't let the money make you. I found 276 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: it interesting that there are celebrities jumping on this app, 277 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: particularly after the way Playboy's reputation has taken a big 278 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: hit in the last few years. I wonder if it 279 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: will be on the up now. I think there's so 280 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: much nostalgia around Playboys still. I mean, when we were 281 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: at high school, I remember how people would wear a 282 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: lot of Playboy branded clothes, and we seem to be 283 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: looking at the early naughties and nineties. Even with Pamela 284 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Anderson's recent doco, she shared a lot about being in Playboys, 285 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: and people have so much love for Pamela Anderson at 286 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: the moment, particularly jen Zeta's that I think that it's 287 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: a brand that's on the rise. I think people are 288 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: forgetting about what's these misdemeanors that have happened. 289 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: See. 290 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: I disagree because I think this is a brand that 291 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: jen z don't actually want to be a part of 292 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: and don't want to support. I actually disagree because I 293 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: think now that Hugh Hefner is dead that the brand 294 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: has the potential to move forward and improve themselves. 295 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: My name is Sammy Robinson. 296 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to be taking you through myself turning routine. 297 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson appears to be winning her breakup with podcaster 298 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: Jordan Simmy, the owner of one Mile, has been living 299 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: it up on a brand trip in Paris, followed by 300 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: a quick trip to London to visit her influencer friend 301 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Carti at Milan. Yes, well, I did notice that Sammy 302 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: attended a Chelsea soccer game with Cartier, who recently confirmed 303 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: her relationship with Chelsea soccer player Ben Chewell, and Sammy 304 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: was cheering the team on on Cartier's Instagram story, and 305 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: she was then spotted later at dinner with Cartier and 306 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: as well as a group of I would presume soccer players. 307 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: I did have to do a sneaky screen record of 308 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Cartier's instant story to take her all in because Cartier 309 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: shared a video of Sammy in the back of a 310 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: cab wearing Birkenstocks with socks. You're still looking good in 311 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: those and when you pause the video you can see 312 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: that there's a guy that Sammy is kind of cuddled 313 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: into and I'm presuming he's a soccer player. 314 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: I love it. 315 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: I also love the fact that the video was taken 316 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: in the back of a taxi because if we all 317 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: remember the infamous video with Jordan, Simmy and French Toast 318 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: that was in the back of a cab as Well's right. 319 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that, and I loved how 320 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: quickly it stopped, like if I hadn't screen recorded it 321 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: and pause and freeze framed it, I wouldn't have seen it, 322 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: because then she can't be accused of trying to rub 323 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: it in or trying to get his attention at all. Well, 324 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: Sammy is back in Sydney now, but I wonder if 325 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: we'll see her doing any more trips over to London 326 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: anytime soon. 327 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: It's important for you to look back and be able 328 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: to say, do you know what that was? 329 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: Unhealthy? 330 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: Devisive fitness inflow when Sir Sarah's Day has spoken for 331 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: the first time about her role in toxic diet culture 332 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: whilst appearing on fellow influencer Grace Beverley's podcast. In the 333 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: hour long interview, Sarah also spoke candidly about being suspicious 334 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: of her now husband Kurt's early intentions and why she 335 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: decided to share about her son's medical condition. Now, So, 336 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: if Sarah doesn't do many interviews and rarely appears in 337 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: podcasts of this nature, this was quite a coup for 338 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: Grace Beverly. I don't think I could have clicked on 339 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: this episode any quicker. 340 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: We've never seen Sarah. 341 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Be put on the spot and interviewed in depth about 342 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: the role that her content has played on diet culture. 343 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: That being said, she would have had some security knowing 344 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: that she's appearing alongside a fellow influencer like Grace Beverly, 345 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: particularly because Grace admitted that she was a bit of 346 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: a fangirl of Sarah. Oh. I couldn't believe how much 347 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: she was frothing Sarah. She said at the end of 348 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: the interview that she was so thankful and she felt 349 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: like she'd won a fan competition to interviewer. Yeah, well, 350 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: it's a good strategy by Sarah to appear alongside someone 351 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: like that, as opposed to going on a podcast with 352 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: an objective journalist who's actually going to question what she said. 353 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: Because I felt like Grace. 354 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: Did not go hard enough at Sarah in this interview, 355 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: and she gave her a lot of easy outs, and 356 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: to me, Sarah's motivation for going on this podcast was 357 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: all about redemption and trying to rebrand herself because she 358 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,359 Speaker 1: is a very likable person. She does have an infectious personality, 359 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: and this length of interview where you're going back and 360 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: looking in sort of a nostalgic way at her career, 361 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: I think she would have won over a lot of 362 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: new fans and fans who initially liked her but sort 363 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: of didn't enjoy her content going forward. For me, my 364 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: opinion didn't change on Sarah because I think initially the 365 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: episode started out and warmed to her, but as it 366 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: went on, I was just yelling at the podcast, being like, 367 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: ask her this, follow her up on this, and I 368 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: found it frustrating because it's clear Grace Beverly is a 369 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: very intelligent woman, but she kept making excuses for Sarah 370 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: and almost talking for her. She would make these really 371 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: long drawn out comments after Sarah would make a point, 372 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: trying to almost give her clues on what she should 373 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: say to redeem herself. Because I really like Grace Beverley 374 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: and she was very articulate in that interview, and as 375 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: she said, she was almost putting words in Sarah's mouth. 376 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: I actually, when I started watching it, I was like, oh, wow, 377 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: Sarah does seem really lovely in this, and having met 378 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: her before, she is a very bubbly, nice person. But 379 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: as it went on, I was like, holy fuck, Like 380 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: why aren't you addressing any of these things? Like she 381 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 1: was almost laughing off some of the controversies and sort 382 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: of taking no accountability. With Grace's podcast, it is centered 383 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: at taking a look behind the scenes of success story. 384 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: She's interviewed people like Steph Claire Smith and other business women, 385 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: and they're supposed to look at the mistakes that they've 386 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: made along the way. However, Grace seemed to tiptoe a 387 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: lot around what Sarah said, and both women really blame 388 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: the culture at the time, so the diet culture of 389 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and seventeen, and they also put 390 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: blame on the audience who were taking the information that 391 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: young influencers were putting out as gospel. I found it 392 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: a really strange approach. I could not believe when they 393 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: were blaming the audience and saying, like, why would you 394 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: listen to a twenty two year old Well, there's a 395 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: reason why influencers are predominantly in their twenties because culture 396 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: puts twenty year olds on a pedestal and it doesn't 397 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: matter what their knowledge is. As long as they look 398 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: a certain way, people are going to take what they 399 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: say as gossiple. She was also selling advice in a book, 400 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: so when you also position yourself as being an expert, 401 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: of course people are going to follow your advice exactly. 402 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: I found it really contradictory in the interview because Sarah 403 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: said her whole channel was built on providing advice to 404 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: her audience. 405 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Now, from hearing. 406 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: Sarah speak in that interview, it was quite clear that 407 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: she suffered from some form of disordered eating, but she 408 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: didn't confirm or deny that she has previously in the 409 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: Healthcare podcast though. I found it weird not to acknowledge 410 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: it though, and she admitted to feeling the pressure to 411 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: look like the rest of the Fitsboke girls, and she 412 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: said that she didn't feel worthy to have the level 413 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: of following she had if she didn't have ABS. And 414 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: she also admitted that she was working out three hours 415 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: every day and heavily restricting her calories. Here's what she said, 416 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: I lost my period and I look back, and I'm like. 417 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 4: CEIs, you weren't eating enough. You weren't eating enough. I 418 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 4: looked twelve, okay, so like whatever you're into, but like 419 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 4: I looked like a shredded twelve year old. 420 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: I was going through a breakup. 421 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: My job was to work out. I was at the 422 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 4: gym for three hours a day, and I only ate protein, bread, protein, powder, fish, pumpkin. 423 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: That's it. 424 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: That is it. 425 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 4: I didn't have my period, but I was so encapsulated 426 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 4: in that life, and I thought, I genuinely thought I 427 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: was being so healthy and so hashtag wellness that I 428 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 4: was doing these videos saying I've lost my period. 429 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: I don't know why I have a man area. 430 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 4: You have amnorea because your body's in flight or flight 431 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 4: and you're working out for three hours a day. You're 432 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 4: not eating enough calories, you're not sleeping enough. You're getting 433 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 4: up at five am to train, You're going to bed 434 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 4: at two am. Because you don't have an editor, you're editing. 435 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 3: Your own vlogs. 436 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: You know. 437 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 4: I look back and I'm like, I just wish I 438 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: could talk to her and say, go and eat some sourdough. 439 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, go for a walk. 440 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 4: You don't have to do that. 441 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: Look. 442 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: I appreciate that she is now admitting that this was 443 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: the state of mind that she was in, but why 444 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: the hell is the content still up? If you go 445 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: on her channel, all of these videos promoting this toxic 446 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: diet and is over exercising are still up. 447 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: They're monetized. She's still getting money from them. 448 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: She even gave an example of a video that popped 449 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: up on her YouTube so she was recommended her own 450 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: video which showed herself eating protein bread with protein powder 451 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: on it, and she said, oh my god, I can't 452 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: believe I used to eat that. Wouldn't that be sort 453 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: of a trigger to then go and delete the videos? 454 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: But she's clearly keeping it up there because it's still 455 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: making her money in the background, because she's monetized it now. 456 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: Grace also asked Sarah. 457 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: Near the end of the interview if when she looks 458 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: back on her career, is there something she would do differently. 459 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 3: Here's what she said, no, because I feel like if 460 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: you're a person and you love where you are and 461 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: you feel so I hate the word blessed, but you 462 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: know hashtag blessed. 463 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: I am so content in my life right now, with 464 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 4: my family, with my job, and everything. I get scared 465 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 4: if I say, oh I would have changed this, would 466 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 4: I be here now? I love everything about my life 467 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: right now, saying to my mom the other day, I'm 468 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 4: living the best years of my life as a mum, 469 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 4: as a business owner. I'm so content. So I'm like, yeah, 470 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 4: do I wish I could kind of go back and 471 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 4: not you know, maybe have that toxic reaction with people. 472 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 4: Do I wish I didn't do if a fics in Macros? 473 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 4: Do I wish I didn't do as many ab selfies? 474 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: Yes? 475 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 4: Actually that would be the one. 476 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: I really didn't like the way that she tried to 477 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: make light out of the way that she used to act. 478 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: It was all a bit of a joke. 479 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: And to me, she still takes a lot of those 480 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: ab photos that she was talking about, and she really 481 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: did not sound sincerely sorry to the women whose lives 482 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: her content has negatively impacted. Well, she only recently launched 483 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: that e book that preyed on women with eating and 484 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: eating disorder, So I don't get how she is trying 485 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: to pretend that she's transformed herself over the ten years. 486 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: She's exactly the same person, but it's quite clear that 487 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: she is second guessing herself every moment on her channel 488 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: now allegedly prayed on people with eating disorder. Yeah, sorry, 489 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: that is allegedly. But it's just quite clear that she 490 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: is lost. She no longer knows where she fits anymore 491 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: because she doesn't fit, She can't do fitzpo anymore, she 492 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: doesn't really want to be a mummy vlogger. Like I 493 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: just think it came across as quite clear that she 494 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: doesn't know who she is and what content she should 495 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: be producing. The whole vibe was weird, though, Sophie, as 496 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: you said, because it was like she was like sniggering 497 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: about her old self, as if, oh, that's not me anymore. 498 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: But that's how you got the following, and as you said, Kate, 499 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: you continue to have those videos up on your page 500 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: and continue to basically create similar content and push similar ideologies. 501 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but my favorite part 502 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: of this interview had to be hearing more about the 503 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: really early stages of Sarah and Kurt's relationship. I was 504 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: blown away by this because she has been pretty coy 505 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: about how they met, and she's tried to make it 506 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: into a bit of a fairytale love story. But she 507 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: admitted that she was questioning Kurt's intentions from early on. Yeah, 508 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: and there has been a lot of discussion online for 509 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: many years about what Kurt's motives were when he and 510 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: Sarah first met, and this became a bit of a 511 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: focus last year when Kurt revealed on The Couple's podcast 512 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: that before meeting Sarah he was struggling financially, so he 513 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: considered either becoming a drug dealer or getting into stripping. 514 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: And Sarah's interview with Grace it seemed to sow a 515 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: few more seeds of doubt in my mind and maybe 516 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: others about Kurt's early intentions. 517 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong. 518 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: Six years later, they're married, they have two kids, they 519 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: seem very happy together. But but Sarah was questioning his motives. Yeah, 520 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and it's fascinating to see some of these really early 521 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: red flags that Kurt was throwing out there, and also 522 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: that he loved bomb turned on the second date. I mean, 523 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: that's just bizarre, particularly from someone that was a bad 524 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: boy at this time. Like for me, it makes me 525 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: I think that he saw his meal ticket in Sarah 526 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: and grabbed on for dear life. I'm sure things have 527 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: changed now, but that's really the impression that Sarah gay 528 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: well to put it into context. Sarah's social media following 529 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: started blowing up in twenty sixteen when she was sharing 530 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: about her breakup with her ex boyfriend. She then met 531 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: Kurt in twenty seventeen, so on this date, Kurt also 532 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: suggested that he work on Sarah's upcoming ebook with her, 533 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: and this led Sarah to of course, become suspicious of 534 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: his intentions. She even went as far as making a 535 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: contract for him to sign that said that he wouldn't 536 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: get any money from the ebook. 537 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 538 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 4: I was so suss of him. I was so suss 539 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 4: because he was a photographer. And I remember telling him 540 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: I had this idea that I wanted to make this 541 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 4: fitness ebook. 542 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: Right, people were asking me, what's your fitness routine? 543 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 4: And I could only make so many videos and people 544 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 4: would ask the same questions, and I was like, I'm 545 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 4: going to make a program, yeah, of how I train right, 546 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 4: And he was a pet, he was a photographer. He 547 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 4: was like, I believe in you, I believe in your brand. 548 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 4: Let me sign off. Because I'm not a PTA. You 549 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: have to have a pet sign off. He's like, let 550 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 4: me look at all your workouts. I'll sign it off 551 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: and I'll take all the photos. And I was like, 552 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: what do you want from me? 553 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 554 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: Like this was like a week. 555 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: Literally. 556 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: I was like, you're not getting a cut of anything. 557 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: I mean, So I made him sign a contract. This 558 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 4: was like our second date and I was living in 559 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: my parents' house. I had no money, I had nothing, 560 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 4: and he was like, who do you think you are? 561 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 4: Like I was acting, and I was like, I'm going 562 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: to be massive. Okay, So I made him sign this contract, 563 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 4: which still we talk about it and I'm like, you still. 564 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: Get no cut of it. But married, Like whatever? 565 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: Have you guys noticed that Sarah seems to make a 566 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: lot of comments around how they split their money and 567 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: this house is hers and not Kurts, And I feel 568 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: like she hasn't changed much since twenty seventeen and is 569 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: almost trying to keep things very separate, which seems strange 570 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: because she is married. I mean, it's obviously her decision 571 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: how she manages her finances. I think it was a 572 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: pretty smart decision though, on the second day, to get 573 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Kurt to actually sign a contract. Oh definitely, But you 574 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: think things might change once they've been together for six years. 575 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like she was joking a little bit. 576 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: I was also surprised to hear that she tried to 577 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: break up with Kurt four months into their relationship because 578 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: she said that he was really over the top and 579 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: too nice to her, and I wonder if that played 580 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: into her again questioning his motives. Why is he being 581 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: so nice to you? 582 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: What does he want? 583 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: So she when she said she got the initial impression 584 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: that he was a fuck boy, so it'd be so 585 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: weird meeting this apparent fuck boy and then them literally 586 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: love bombing you. Well, she said she liked a bad boy, 587 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: so she'll be like, why isn't he treating me like 588 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: she I want to go back and work out when 589 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: that four month period was like, because didn't they move 590 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: in after some short period? Was six months or something? Now? 591 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: Another really interesting part of the interview was when Sarah 592 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: candidly talked about the moment she discovered her son Malachi, 593 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: would be born with a severe genetic abnormality, and during 594 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: that time, she said she felt like a shell of 595 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: a human and was in a really dark place and 596 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, Grace asked why she decided to 597 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: share this information with her followers, and Sarah basically said 598 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: that she was concerned that nurses or doctors in the 599 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: hospital might intentionally or unintentionally leak the information. She said 600 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: many were her age and potentially knew of her notoriety 601 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: and followed her, and she didn't want her son's condition 602 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: to be spread as rumors online. To me, this was 603 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 1: very odd because medical staff sign an oath they're not 604 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: going to be spreading gossip about some influence that comes in. 605 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: I just thought this seems really strange. 606 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: Have you seen tattle though. 607 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: I mean, she probably knows about the huge Tattle life 608 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: thread about her, but a doctor's not going to come 609 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: in and be like, oh, by the way, her nod's 610 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: got this. 611 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: No, a doctor wouldn't. 612 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: But maybe there's somebody that works in the hospital or receptions. 613 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 2: So she tells a friend out. 614 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Someone's going to risk their job to share this information, 615 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: particularly when you are working with a high profile patient. 616 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: I know it shouldn't matter, but surely no, but I'm saying, 617 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: surely there'd be a trail to find. 618 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: Out who knew the information. 619 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: I just felt really uncomfortable, And she said that because 620 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: I think that it makes a mockery of our medical 621 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: system to think that someone is going to leak very 622 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: private information about herself. Think it wasn't really the main reason, 623 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: because she also spoke about feeling really alone when she 624 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: got that diagnosis, and she felt isolated because a lot 625 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: of her friends were having healthy pregnancies, and she found 626 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: herself looking up youtubes of other mums whose children had 627 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: the same genetic condition. So she thought, I've got this 628 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: large platform. I want people to be able to connect 629 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: with me who might be going through something similar. 630 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: I think it's a really. 631 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: Tough situation because she hasn't actually said what Malachi's condition is, 632 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: which I think is a good thing because he shouldn't 633 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: be defined by that condition. It should be his choice 634 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: if he shares that information, and she doesn't owe it 635 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: to anybody to share it. 636 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: She definitely doesn't. 637 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: But I think she shouldn't have said he has a 638 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: condition in the first place, because it just seems like 639 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: it's created this disgusting guessing game for people to try 640 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: and pick what condition he has. She really did open 641 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: up a Pandora box by choosing to share about it, 642 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: but after hearing her story in more depth, it's clear 643 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: that she was at a time where she was deeply 644 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: upset and not thinking things through properly. She clearly didn't 645 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: have any advice from anyone. 646 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: About what to do. 647 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: I do think this whole guessing game around Malachi's condition 648 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: is really gross and it would be so awful to 649 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: be receiving messages like the one she spoke about. I'll 650 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: just do. 651 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 3: Mummy. 652 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: According to reports, King Charles has agreed to take part 653 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: in a tell all interview with the BBC to address 654 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: Prince Harry's bombshell book. With a long list of musicians 655 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: and celebrities refusing to take part in the King's coronation, 656 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: it's hoped the interview will help win back support. So 657 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: how legitimate are these reports? Well, ever, since Harry's memoir 658 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: Spare was released, there's been a lot of speculation about 659 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: whether someone from the palace would speak out, and as 660 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, Kate, the royal family's motto has for been 661 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: never complain, never explain, so they have stayed very tight 662 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: lipped on the matter. But now with King Charles's waning popularity, 663 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: it seems like they might have to change up their strategy. 664 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: And if I know anything from watching the Crown, I 665 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: feel like it is Prince Charles that is willing to 666 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: give things a go. The Queen is no longer there 667 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: to rein him in, and I think that he's desperate 668 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: to change the perception of him that's out in the 669 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: public at the moment. Well, information about this tell all 670 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: interview with King Charles is coming from a very reputable source, 671 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: so Royal commentator and Princess Diana's confidant Stuart Pierce claims 672 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: that the interview will take place ahead of the coronation 673 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: in May. He said, I believe strongly that Charles will 674 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: grant another interview to the BBC, possibly with somebody like 675 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: Jonathan Dibley, who he trusts and likes. 676 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: Dear God, I. 677 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: Hope it's nothing like Prince Andrew's interview that would just 678 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: spell the end of the monarchy. I really hope that 679 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: they have some advisers who are willing to stand up 680 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: to King Charles and tell him the truth, because I 681 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: feel like a lot of these people with status and 682 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: a lot of money, they surround themselves with a lot 683 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: of yes people, So you know, people, Oh that's a 684 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: great idea, And as you say, he might come across 685 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: quite poorly when he would have actually maintained some dignity 686 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: and respect by just maintaining his silence. 687 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 688 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: Well, these reports came a day after news broke that 689 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: Charles has asked his son and daughter in law to 690 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: officially leave their UK residence Frogmore Cottage. He has reportedly 691 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: offered the keys to his disgrace brother, Prince Andrew. 692 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 693 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: Who is allowing him to make these decisions? Well, he 694 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: is trying to slim down the monarchy and he seems 695 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: like he is trying to remove Prince Andrew from it. 696 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: So maybe this is just throwing him a bone. So 697 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: you're allowed to be a sex offender, but you can't 698 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: be a black female that's a part of the royal family. Well, 699 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean they're getting rid of their Frogmore residents because 700 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: they're obviously not coming back. This is just, you know, 701 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: a cottage that is sitting here with no one in. 702 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but why put Prince Andrew? I don't agree with 703 00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: that at all. 704 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 1: But it's clear that the tide is really turning on 705 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: the royal family this week, the King and the Queen 706 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Consort Camilla, they have been booed at a public appearance. 707 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: So there were protesters carrying signs saying not our King 708 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: and shouting why are you wasting our money? 709 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: Why are you defending Andrew? 710 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: Come and talk to your critics, sir. And this might 711 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: not seem like a big deal, but it comes as 712 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: the King has received a wave of rejection from the 713 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: UK's biggest performers with only a couple of months to 714 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: go to his coronation. And this is pretty huge because 715 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: the Queen has been renowned for holding massive jubilees where 716 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: everyone wants to play at and reportedly Adele, Harry Styles, 717 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: Elton John, the Spy Scales and our very own Kylie 718 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: Minogue have turned King Charles down. They don't want to 719 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: perform there. They don't want their branding to be related 720 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: to the monarchy. I mean recently we saw Beyonce coppying 721 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: a lot of criticism for performing in Dubai. Well, I 722 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: think that's all we've got time for today. Thank you 723 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: for joining us for another episode of Outspoken. This podcast 724 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 725 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past 726 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: and present. If you have enjoyed today's show, could you 727 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: please make sure you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and 728 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: also Spotify and leave us a five star review.