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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio because we know that construction's

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Speaker 1: underway on a new trade center at Charles Darwin University's

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Speaker 1: cas Arena campus. It's a two story center featuring a

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Speaker 1: heavy equipment precinct, an assembly area, industrial sandpit and classrooms.

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Speaker 2: And in the.

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Speaker 1: Studio to tell us more about this is the new

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Speaker 1: Minister for Skills Training and we'll also infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Joel Baden, Good morning to your minister.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Kurtie. Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. Now, why do we need this

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Speaker 1: new trade center.

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Speaker 4: Well, we need to build our capability and we need

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Speaker 4: traderes intent.

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Speaker 3: Have you tried to get a tradey lately, have you know?

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Speaker 3: It's really difficult. They're in demand.

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Speaker 4: We need to build the skills for the future. We

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Speaker 4: need our local lads but also boys and girls, men

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Speaker 4: and women taking up trades. So yeah, we're out there yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It's a ten million dollar project. The government's put in

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Speaker 4: nearly five million. Fantastic. Scott Bowman, the vice chancellor out

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Speaker 4: and I'm hoping that you know, young boys and girls,

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter when you finish, right, it can be ten

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Speaker 4: you might be able to go into a trade and

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Speaker 4: there's opportunities there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got to grow our own, like we

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Speaker 1: going to need to bring people from other locations at

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Speaker 1: different times to fill those workforce shortages, but we want

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Speaker 1: our young people to stay in the territory if possible

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, so excuse me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I grew up in our Springs and I

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Speaker 3: That's it, right, You're here for life.

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Speaker 4: If you finish school, you go into a trade, you

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Speaker 4: you're probably going to stay and enjoy all the great

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Speaker 1: Now, what kind of training is it going to focus on?

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Speaker 1: Are these specific areas well?

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Speaker 4: It's apprenticeships and we just heard there from your piece

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Speaker 4: to be all those things, carbonry, priming, everything that you

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Speaker 3: But one of the other pieces.

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Speaker 3: There's new skills that we need.

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Speaker 4: For electric vehicles, so it's going to be upskilling others

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Speaker 4: It's going to be upskilling those who may need retraining

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Speaker 1: When are we expecting it to be complete or how

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Speaker 4: And running, so I think it's early next year. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Now with all the work and investment that he's going

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Speaker 3: I know there's some private proponents and private.

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Speaker 4: Builders in Darwin who are looking at that, and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's what everybody's probably hoping with your

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Speaker 4: So just to recap, and I'm going to have to

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Speaker 4: been preliminary discussions. There is land in the CBD. You know,

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Speaker 1: And so that's the big point, isn't it that someone's

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Speaker 2: So now just trying to make that happen.

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Speaker 1: I guess there will be people listening this morning that

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Speaker 1: And why haven't we sort of gotten that ball rolling sooner?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's underway. So the City Dealer was two hundred

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Speaker 4: The reason why I know about the langage because I've

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Speaker 4: I think just near Frog Hollows has already been a

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Speaker 3: Now I don't know what the private sector is doing either.

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Speaker 1: Guess six months you've got to stack up financially for

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Speaker 1: the suppose. Hey, we haven't caught up with you obviously

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Speaker 3: So one thing is to get across the briefs and

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Speaker 4: It's been a well win Courdie. I have had meetings

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Speaker 4: So it's been overwhelming the amount of information I've been

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Speaker 4: It's like an elephant, you know, eat it one bite

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Speaker 4: part will to be identify those priorities. One thing for me,

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Speaker 4: good and we've invested in that. But I think infrastructure

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Speaker 4: next apartment building, the next something in town, building the territory.

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Speaker 4: we're investing. I think the program's just over two point

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Speaker 4: two billion in infrastructure. That's a quarter of our budget,

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Speaker 4: they're going home to their families. You know, maybe that's

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Speaker 3: Work, they're going to be more confident.

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Speaker 4: They're going to be more confident to invest in the territory,

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Speaker 4: it just has to be a two point two billion.

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Speaker 4: It has to be the priority, and I'll have a

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Speaker 1: I guess one of the difficulties that some may say

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Speaker 1: that uncertainty. Now I do just want to ask you,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's not your portfolio, but we did

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we do need certainty.

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Speaker 4: And I'll just talk about infrastructure for example, and Catherine

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Speaker 4: We're going to get extra two hundred million dollars. So

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Speaker 4: that's some certainty for the Northern Territory, our infrastructure budget.

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Speaker 4: They've also committed to working with US as a smaller

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Speaker 3: To invest in the future. So that's certainty for us.

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Speaker 4: Of course, all other projects need certainty to you know,

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Speaker 3: Looking at student accommodation.

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Speaker 4: They need certainty and they'll be looking at interest rates

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Speaker 3: To work on.

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Speaker 1: And so does that decision sort of create uncertainty do

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Speaker 4: Well, it's got to go through the courts and I'd

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Speaker 3: But certainty in in planning is.

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Speaker 4: One thing that we need to do as well, So

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Speaker 1: Oh, you just said you spoke to Catherine King last

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Speaker 1: night we're getting an extra two hundred million dollars. Is

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Speaker 4: Early as a conversation last night with Catherine King, and

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Speaker 4: that has yet to be come through in writing, but

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Speaker 4: I'll take it and announce it on your show, Katie.

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Speaker 4: The Minister has confirmed that they will work with us

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Speaker 4: as a small jurisdiction. None of our projects have been

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Speaker 4: the pipeline coming now.

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Speaker 3: It's not for this budget obviously, yeah, this budget.

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Speaker 4: Has been said, but that is a big vote of

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Speaker 4: Dipple team Andrew Kirkman and his team there that we

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Speaker 4: haven't had anything cut and we're actually having some extra

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Speaker 4: funding going.

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Speaker 2: So that's to invest in infrastructure in the Northern.

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Speaker 3: Territory, infrastructure in the normal We don't know.

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Speaker 2: Over what period of time at this point.

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Speaker 3: I haven't got the total details, but we will get them.

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Speaker 4: They've announced this this morning in the Eastern State, so

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Speaker 4: we will pick it up in the next little while.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, Well, we'll wait and hear some further detail on that.

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Speaker 3: It's good news.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully. It is Joel A.

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Speaker 1: Bowden, the Minister for Infrastructure and lots of other portfolios.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time this morning. Much appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you