1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, look who it is. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: It's me the gorgeous at Simone, and I am back 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: and ready to. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Spill some tea. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: Joining me today is well, I don't know, and that's 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: kind of the whole point. Some random person waltzes in 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: here and I try and figure out what makes them 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: interesting because they are hiding something that makes them exceptional. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: This is concealed with adzemone. Let's roll the time, please act. 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: My name's doctor Gronia Cleary. I'm originally from Dublin, Ireland, 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 3: and I have a PhD from Trinity College, Dublin. I 12 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: came to Australia in two thousand and five and have 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 3: been involved with Sidney University, you and a w and 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: Deacon University right now. I like to write books and 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: I'm also a fairy king pold answer and look nothing 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: more than a thirteen on a long heart still after 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: a long day of writing. But I am concealing something 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: that at times can be a bit of a burden. 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: How I, Gronia, how are you very well? 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 4: And I'm so. 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean we have to start on the highlight, which 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: is pole dancing. First of all, that was avid pole dancer. 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: Have a long, hard steel poles to swing around. 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: It changed my life. I discovered it at forty when 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: I left academia. Yes, and I like, I never did 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,279 Speaker 3: any gymnastics. It's like completely so badly coordinated, never danced. 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I just fell in love with it. 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 4: Yes, fell in love with the challenge. And it took 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 4: me like years to invert. 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: Whereas when you put your legs on, yeah and all that, 31 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: but I absolutely love it. 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: It is so athletic, it is all those girls make 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: it look so and boys make it look so easy, 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: but it is a slog. And then once you've got 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: those really high crystal cracker heavy shoes and you've got 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: other whites that you're trying to deal with, oh my goodness. 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they all add they act as atoneers for 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: your legs because of like weights on your legs. 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 4: So yes, you're learning to walk. 40 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 3: In the hills and dance in the hills, but you 41 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: don't always have to wear them. You can do the 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: tricks without this. And it took me years to get 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: the strength. You're starting at forte, I had no strength. 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: And then building and building with all these beautiful women 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: as well, and you do y'on the poland you're in 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: pain and you don't feel sexy, but you point those 47 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: and you give you a smile and. 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: And you've got burns. 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: Bruisy, like, oh my goodness, can you do the I 50 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: love the girls that can that like clap the together? 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and we do that all together. 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: So when you're dancing, now, this is getting hot and sexy. 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 4: At ten am I studio with the blind and peak 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: like and we're all the dumb and that. 55 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: He'll yes, oh yeah, you like to write books. You 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: have your academia. You're very well, very smart, Brian, what. 57 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: Not so much with the young academia. 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: I'm dyslexic and have dyspraxia, so I never could speak 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: the language of the academics, and that didn't exactly warm 60 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: them to. 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: Me because I always spoke very simple, simply. I remember 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: once being told. 63 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: During my PhD, will you stop speaking so cloquial? 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 4: And I went, Okay, what does cloquial mean? Why can't 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 4: you just say it simply? So yeah. 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: So after years and years of trying to you know, 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: making academy and the bullying and the snobbery, I was like, 68 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: I'm talking to my people, write the book. Go straight 69 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: to the source. You know that's where the power is 70 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: in the people. Yes, and I saw the pole dancing 71 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: to give myself another outlet besides just work, work, work, 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: And yeah, totally changed my life. 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: You've just seized up your hair a little bit bigger 74 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: in hair envy for me. You have three weeks sitting 75 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: on my head, so it is a bit hard to 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: compete with me. But all I did was hang upside 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: down on a pollen hairspray it. So, yeah, I think 78 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: maybe we are one of the We're in tune with 79 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: each other. And you've got ic DC's shirt on, and 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: the piece of resistance is your ink. Here we've got 81 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: a series of birds. Oh, we've got a cockatoo, a pigeon, 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: an ibis or gala, and I don't know what that 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: one is. Yeah, that finch, Maggie. More keep popping up 84 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: the more I keep looking. Oh my goodness, And. 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 4: When I get to know you really well, I'll show 86 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 4: you my budger. 87 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: You stop at your naughty girl. Oh you actually have one. 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: It is a euphemism and also a fact that you 89 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: have a badger down below. 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: There you go. 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: My god, We've we've already just feel like I already 92 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: know you, okay, So what are we to do is 93 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: ask you three questions, and from the answer to those 94 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: three questions, I have to try and see figure out 95 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: what you are concealing from me here today. 96 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: So first question, all right, of all the things you've 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: done in the world, pole dancing, book, growding, what do 98 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: you think the most adventurous thing you have done? 99 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 5: Is? 100 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: Okay, without a doubt, it was me and my husband. 101 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: I submitted my PhD into Trinity on a Friday, me 102 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: and my husband one way tickets to Australia. 103 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 4: We brought our cat I know, and. 104 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: The face of species into Australia anyway knew. No one 105 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 3: had never been here before, had no jobs, and Jen 106 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: came over and just started together. The best decision we 107 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: ever made. But that bloody cat a year to the day, 108 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: a year when Australia the fucon would miss it and 109 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 3: never showed his face again. 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: Is it? 111 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 3: No? 112 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: Thanks for the free ride, and I'm fine. You go 113 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: live your life. Oh well, wherever youone was your cat's name, 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: Freddy Freddy? Wherever you are, I hope you're having the 115 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: time of your life. 116 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 4: Exactly native species you know? 117 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: And what about what's your favorite noise next to the 118 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: heel clap. 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: Yes, but you all do it together. 120 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: It would be birds song, all the different sounds we 121 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: hear when we're out and about, especially in the urban areas. 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: And question number three, who would you say is the 123 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: most misunderstood villain in history? 124 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: I would have to say those per birds and Alfred Hitchcock. 125 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 4: The birds they would never do that behave. They're not 126 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 4: even predators. 127 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: They could have gotten some eagles, but no, they were 128 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: just you know, they're just covids. 129 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: Just cross. 130 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Okay. 131 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: So clearly the overatcheing thing we have here is birds. 132 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: But with that information, I'm not sure what I had 133 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: to piece it together? Or are birds? You really love birds? 134 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: But what could be something to do with birds? 135 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: Maybe? 136 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: Well you must specialize in birds? But what are you? 137 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: What's a title I could give you besides the bird lady? Well, 138 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, are you a bird lady? 139 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: I am Australia's most passionate person when it comes to 140 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: why do birds do what they do? If you ever 141 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: see a bird and taught what are they doing? What 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: are they saying? I know the answer. I'll give it 143 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: a bloody good guess. 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: An educational guess so you are the ultimate bird lady. 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: If I have a question about birds, you should be 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: able to help me out hopefully. 147 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: Okay, why do they fly? 148 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: I'm so, how do you end up with the title 149 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: of Australia's most pasionate person when it comes to birds? 150 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: I know everything there is to know about behavior of birds. 151 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: I've been stood in them probably for the last now 152 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: god nearly ages. I ran multiple citizen science projects looking 153 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: at how people interact with birds in the back garden 154 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: when they feed birds, and that led into writing books. 155 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: My first book, Your Backyard Birds, It's all about how 156 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: people interact with birds in their back garden. My second 157 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 3: one is why do birds do that? And it's questions 158 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: and answers to every question you have. 159 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 4: About a bird. 160 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: And my next book is called Why the Birds Sing? 161 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: And that talks about the actual brain of the bird. 162 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: Do they show accepted functioning? What's the memory? Like? 163 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: Do they sleep? What do they dream when they sleep? 164 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 4: Do they dream? 165 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: All this kind of thing about bird song. You know, 166 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: it's like grammar or they actually saying something. Are they 167 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: asking each other? They having a conversation? 168 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 4: These things. So I'm really excited about that book. 169 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 170 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: But I like that you said, just then you know 171 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: about the colloquial side of it. Your book titles are 172 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: to the point, and that makes it perfect. 173 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Where's all this love come from? 174 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: So I actually before he went into birds, I was 175 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 3: working with qualas and I was getting people around Australia 176 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: to count qualus for me because we're trying to get 177 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: a population density and find out where they are because 178 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: a lot of qualites are on private land, so we 179 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: can't monitor them unless landowner tells us. 180 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: My god, it was like pulling tate. There was no 181 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: passion for the poer quality. 182 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: It's such a political animal in the conservation body world. 183 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: Because you know you have a quall on your land, 184 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: you can't cut down the tree, and if you're a farmer, 185 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: you might want to remove that tree, so there's all 186 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: this legislation. So I was listening to the public. This 187 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: was true citizen science, and I kept seeing the passion 188 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 3: for the birds. 189 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 4: So I started a study looking at the use. 190 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: Of water bird bats in the back garden and how 191 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: people interacted with birds through that and people's passion and 192 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 3: the photos they would send me, and I would get 193 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 3: such avy and you can't help but feed off their excitement. 194 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they would start asking. 195 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: Me questions, the big question being should I feed birds? 196 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: And if I do feed birds, what should I feed them? 197 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: And do one for the education around that, because BirdLife 198 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: will often just say no, don't feed. That's not very 199 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: useful if somebody's going to feed. So you need education 200 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: and just the people's passion for it, and they're wanted 201 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: asking me questions, and I would drive my own interest. 202 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: And that's where the first book came from. 203 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: After running that study, all the stories they told me, 204 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: I put into a book and explain the behavior of 205 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: why the birds were doing what they would doing. And 206 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: in the meantime I kind of got a gig, do 207 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: you know Once a week jumped in on a show 208 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: that a woman was running dish on an ABC morning. 209 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 4: Show, and I did bird questions. 210 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 3: They would ask and somebody would ask me questions and 211 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: I would answer each week, and I slowly wrote why 212 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: do birds do that? Because it was just the questions 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: people asked the book And one of the biggest questions. 214 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 4: I got asked was well, why do birds sing? 215 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: And I answered that, you know as well, in marking 216 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: territorial that trying to track the mate, and they kept 217 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: asking me. 218 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 4: I was like, there has to be more, like why 219 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 4: are they singing? 220 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: And got me really thinking and then I saw that 221 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 3: you know, well, corvids are songbird, but why don't they sing? 222 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: You know? 223 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: And why do some birds sing better than others? And 224 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: you know, and how do they rehearse? And do they 225 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 3: listen to what they're singing? And do they know when 226 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: they make and all this and that just drove my 227 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: own knowledge, you know, and I wanted and you just 228 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: read You're like, oh my god, this is fascinating and 229 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: I have to tell someone. 230 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: So you write it down and you put in a book. 231 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's that you've got the ultimate special 232 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: interests like those game shows. We have to come up 233 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: with your prepared interests. But you'd you I bet you'd 234 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: fight them though, because they'd be like, no, the answer 235 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:16,599 Speaker 2: is this. 236 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: You're like, well, actually actually, and. 237 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: People, oh yeah you do. 238 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 4: I'll be down again. 239 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: You'll read a paper where somebody will say something You're like, no, 240 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 3: that's wrong. 241 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: I don't really done anymore. 242 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: Oh you thought you'd learn everything there is to know 243 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: about birds? Not even close gren you is about to 244 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: shatter your beliefs about one of Australia's favorite birds as 245 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: a gruesome murderer and exposed to the dirty, cheating birds 246 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: of the animal kingdom. 247 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: Naughty. 248 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're here with growing here Australia's most passionate 249 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: bird person. 250 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: Now you've mentioned you like birds and bird sounds. I 251 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: want to know what is one of your favorites. 252 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: The magpie lark, So we often hear them. That's the two, 253 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: the two the dueting that you do really really loud. 254 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: Now we would have taught that that was for mate 255 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: garden where the male sings and the female replies and 256 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: that really reaffirms that bond. But when the magpie lark 257 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: wants to ensure make guarden because the daddy needs to 258 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: know he's the daddy. The mammy knows she's the mammy, 259 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: but the male magpie will put in as much work 260 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: into raising a young as the mammy, so he needs 261 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: to know that he's not the daddy, that he's the 262 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: daddy and it's not the neighbor. So he has to 263 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 3: guard her. So he's not guarding her because he loves her. 264 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: He's guarding to make sure he's the daddy because they 265 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: put in as much infestment as the mammy. So what 266 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: he does is not the dueting that reaffirms the bond. 267 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: When she's fertile. 268 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 3: He won't let her out of his size, is in 269 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: your mind she needs to. He follows literally watches her 270 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: until she stops being fertile and he knows he's the 271 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: daddy and she can then kind of leave his sight. 272 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: So if you ever watch them and you're watching them 273 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: to get and the male seems to be pursuing the female, 274 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: I'll come seech. 275 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's probably going on. 276 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: So it's not as sweet as people make it sound. 277 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: He's fully stalking his property. Yes, that's my and I 278 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 2: want to make sure that's mine exactly. I'm not putting 279 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: in the effort. If it's not not the daddy. Well 280 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: I made that's a very fair assumption. I maybe does 281 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: have a stalker chat to it. 282 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 3: But the other one, yes, the other one was the ravens. 283 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 3: We hear around Melbourne that what does that mame? 284 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 4: What the hell is going on there? 285 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's ravens communicating to each other, usually to get 286 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,359 Speaker 3: other ravens to come to them to help them scavenge 287 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 3: on food. So if you listen around Bindi, you'll often 288 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: hear them calling. What that fala is doing is saying, 289 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 3: I found a bin. I think I see the carcass 290 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: of a chicken. I just need some help. Lat and 291 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 3: the other race evens kind of identified that individual. Do 292 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: we know who that is? Have we helped him before? 293 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 3: They wasn't really a chicken? 294 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 4: Here? Is he worth actually going for? 295 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: And they can tell that just from that ca So 296 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: it's not just random. It's actually saying, hey, it's Bob 297 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: and from Richmond, I really. 298 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: Need some help. 299 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: Then that's from Parting's word are like, yeah, he's all right, 300 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: let's go. Because the more ravens there are, they're less 301 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: likely that another bird will run them off, so they'll 302 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: all kind. 303 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: Of forage together. Because ravens will rarely kill their own food. 304 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: They usually steal food and steal food you gotta work together. 305 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: So we have that image of ravens following wolves and 306 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: that's usually to scavenge, so they don't often kill their 307 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 3: own food. 308 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: So you're clearly very passionate about. 309 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: I know, what would be your top three birds that 310 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: you're most passionate about. 311 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 4: It would have to be the magpie. Yes, the Australian magpie. 312 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: He's gone on the cover of my next book, my 313 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: last two. They put on fucking fairy rounds this year 314 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: and I want a magpie. 315 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 4: That give me these bloody rents. 316 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: Do you think the magpie has a bit of stigma 317 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: against it? 318 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: Yes, the media and yeah, I've done such media form 319 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: and they usually start like. 320 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: It's whoop and season, keep your children in you. 321 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I put off when I like. 322 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: The magmat The. 323 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 4: Cockatoo, the Sulphie crassy cockatoo would have to be one, 324 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: I think. 325 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: Is that the yeah, yeah, yeah, appoint him and you 326 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: know what one of the first. 327 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,239 Speaker 4: It would be tossed up between. 328 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: The cebra finch because he's done so much for science 329 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: in terms of understanding the brain. 330 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: But the ibis is such a surviver. 331 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: That bird might have gone extinct because we destroyed this 332 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: natural habitat and it had to either lie over and 333 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: die and go extinct by the power of the white man, 334 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: or it's adapted. 335 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 4: So it adapted Sydney and moved into your area. It 336 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: eats in your bend, takes your trash. Would you destroy 337 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 4: this happening? 338 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: You're the one to blame. Well, that that brings me 339 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: to the question. 340 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: One of the most misunderstood birds, because magpie is get 341 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,359 Speaker 2: a bad rap ibises do you know, infamously called binge 342 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: and even the selfie. 343 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, even I love an wonderdog. 344 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: Even pigeons, I feel get a really bad rap that 345 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: they're just the sky. 346 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: That's such. Can I curse? 347 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Yes, that's just fault shit. 348 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: Yes. Every First of all, every pigeon you see on 349 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: the street, the domestic dove, they were released by humans. 350 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: They were not here before we introduced them. 351 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: The white men introduced them into Australia and we domesticated them. 352 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: They were one of the first animals. 353 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: We domesticated that pigeon you see walking around the street, 354 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: and he was he kind of co falved with us. 355 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: As we develop society, we ate them, We use them 356 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: their feces for manure, for first lighter, we use the 357 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: feathers to keep ourselves warm. 358 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: So we've really used that bird. 359 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 3: And he's just fallen out of fancy at the moment, 360 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 3: So now we see him as being dirty and discussing. 361 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 4: No, the SCENTI little beans wouldn't be here if it 362 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: wasn't for us. 363 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm just I just want to eat talk about a 364 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: cooko bar, because I love cooking bars. 365 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 4: I've got a story about. Okay, cooker bars really cute. 366 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: The babies, the little babies are born, they're born with 367 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: a hooked bill, right, and that is solely for the 368 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: purpose of killing their siblings. Mommy and daddy cooko ber 369 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 3: are let the babies work it out because there's now 370 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: not food to go around. So the third one is 371 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: usually killed. It's called siblings side. And I actually involved 372 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: a little hook to get the young by the neck 373 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: and kind of yeah, I'm killing and suck it out. 374 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: So they're quite vishes and it's and this is what 375 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: keeps me here. So even though you know, no family, 376 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: I have no kin over here, no can two birds, 377 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: just me and my husband, and we just love it. 378 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 3: It's that the wildlife. You're such special wildlife over here. 379 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: I was talking about this the other day. 380 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 2: Ow flora and fauna is so bizarre and alien looking, 381 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: but it's so interesting and there's so like, so many 382 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: amazing colors and textures and shapes and everything. 383 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: We're in this crazy little. 384 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: Alien land over here, and what isn't exciting about that? 385 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: And to be an ecologist and work in this country 386 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: and to work with the birds. I can imagine if 387 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: I grew up here as a child like I would 388 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: have just been blown away by the birds. Like I 389 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: think I've ended up where I've always meant to be. 390 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: So you talk about, you know, we shouldn't be meg 391 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: powers are sweeping, but are there some birds we should 392 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 2: be scared of? 393 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: Actually scared off of your life now? Now? 394 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: Probably the one to kind of watch. Ones like the 395 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: Indian miners. So that's your brown fellow with the black 396 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: eye the yellow legs, So he's, you know, a real 397 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: trouble maker for our native speech, especially on native parrots 398 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: because they compete over hollows, and the miner will actually 399 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 3: like kill the rosella chicks like they areious. 400 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: They are vicious. So things like minor trapping where the 401 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: council will actually trap them and remove them. 402 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: It's really good, but we have to just change the 403 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: dropped your the vegetation to try to keep them not 404 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: so prominent in the urban area. 405 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 4: But they're they're a concernal right. 406 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: And what bird do I remind you of? 407 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: Because I feel like a bird sometimes because I'm you know, pretty, 408 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 2: I like to pray and I like to you know, 409 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: I love a bit of blean what bird I. 410 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 3: Taught peacock, I would definitely think pecock, No, it could 411 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: because of the blue you're wearing as well. But the display, 412 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: the proud of the display, and that those fatthers are 413 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: they shake. 414 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: They love it. They put on a show. Oh yeah, yeah. 415 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 4: And that's the male shown off the strength of his fatus. 416 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: That's because the boys, and you know they're basically drag queens. 417 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, when they got a shaky they don't. 418 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: The fatas go away much like the boys themselves. 419 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: Well that's it. 420 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: Is that common for all birds or other ones like 421 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 2: to flip around and visit hollow hollow? 422 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: Well they do. 423 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 3: And one of the biggest culture is the superb fairy ren, that. 424 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 4: Little cute, little blue one. 425 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: So he will be socially monogamous, which means he'll stay 426 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 3: with the same female, but he'll go around cheating with 427 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 3: the neighbors. But he also knows that his missus might 428 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: be doing the same. Now the difference is and they 429 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 3: and he'll hold up a little flower, do you know 430 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: the story. 431 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 4: So he's superb fairy ren. He's got the blue top 432 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 4: and he's the black bottom. 433 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: And if he holds up a yellow flower, a little 434 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: yellow flower that against his plumage is very obvious. So 435 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 3: that sounds a strong signal that I am sexually strong. 436 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 3: Look how proud I am. I am obvious to a 437 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: predator and I'm not a frightened. That turns on the 438 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: missus next door and she's like, all right, come on quick, 439 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: why she's why your one's got a head turn and 440 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: I'll do the business. And then he'll go back to 441 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: the missus and be all suki with and be like, hey, darling. 442 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 4: This got your flo But really she's like, oh, where 443 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 4: are you gone? 444 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: And so they did, and how they determine this, what's 445 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 3: doing genetic testing on the offspring in the nest and 446 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 3: the male wasn't the father, so per Fairy runs they 447 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: breed and family groups where the sons will hang around 448 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 3: and help mom, so they'll actually help feed the young 449 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 3: Daddy meanwhile marks the territory, so he's not actually actively. 450 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 4: Infesting a lot. So if he's not the. 451 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: Daddy, well as soon is the most of the work and 452 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: should miss this this happening, he's got his territory. But 453 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 3: the Magpielock, no, he's given as much as she is, 454 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: if not more so, he needs to know he's a daddy. 455 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: So you kind of see the difference. The face really 456 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: about how much the male puts in. 457 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: They're very clever, they're very clever. They know what they're doing, 458 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: all right. 459 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: So because you're very passionate about the everyday average bird, 460 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: I'm going to play some bird calls and I'm going 461 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: to tell you what I think they're saying, okay, and 462 00:21:48,440 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: you need to tell me what they're actually saying. Okay, okay. 463 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: So I reckon that pigeon has just flown up a 464 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: tree and is going, oh, I'm so tired. That was 465 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: such a long flut. Can someone get me a bit 466 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: of water? 467 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: Please? Because I make that noise myself. Am I correct? 468 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: No, you're not, thank you for trying. So with pigeons, 469 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: they make that so spanding on the pace it's going. 470 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: That depends on how kind of sexually active the male 471 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: is feeling. So if he's so, if you ever hear 472 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: them and. 473 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 4: It's like he's wants a geez, he's horny. 474 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: Mating call. 475 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 4: So he's that slower one, So. 476 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 3: That means he's kind of more chilled down, just marking territory, 477 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: letting people know, you know, they don't actually follow your 478 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: minds by opening up the beak. It comes through that xophocus. 479 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 3: So you haven't watched pigeons their mouths are closed. It's 480 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 3: actually coming through kind of the neck. And then on 481 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: the speed they do, it gives the different messages. 482 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 483 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: And the big thing with old pageons, no matter where 484 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: they you know, I'm not talking about just this mostly 485 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 3: see in the street, but like the browns wings and 486 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: cressive pigeon is the bowing pageons thought of that family 487 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: is bowing for. 488 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 4: Kind of to entice the female. 489 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: The male will follow, puff out his feathers on his 490 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: neck and kind of follow her around by bowing. 491 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 4: And getting randier and loud. 492 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Does that mean the ladies don't make much noise? Then? 493 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 3: I know she can, especially when she's on the eggs, 494 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: And but it's him kind of doing this sexual Yeah, yeah, 495 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: trying to impress her. 496 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Look at me, look at my big bail. 497 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: Okay, yep, yep, I reckon that magpie just got told 498 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: a really good joke and he's going but doesn't actually 499 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: think it's funny, but was just laughing to be polite. 500 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: Is that it? 501 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 3: No? 502 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: But I do like I do like that. 503 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: I wish I could say yeah, no, no, that sounded 504 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: more like a magpie that was kind of trying to warn. 505 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: Off a predator. That was like a god. That's kind 506 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 4: of like more track name sense. 507 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: So we're more used to that Caroline, and that Caroline 508 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: is a social bonding. This is our territory, this is 509 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 3: you know, this is our family, compared to the warbling, 510 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: which is a bird actually practicing. 511 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: So magpies have to practice their song. 512 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: They learnt when they're who when you hit them by themselves. 513 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 4: They're actually practicing. 514 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: And like us when we speak, when they make a mistake, 515 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: they hear it and they get a dopamine craction and 516 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: they actually then correct it and they're like, oh that 517 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 3: sounds better. Yeah, So they're listening to themselves. And when 518 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: you look at the posture of the magpie, he's not performing. 519 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 4: It's not like Caroline's where. 520 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: His body's and his NeXT's like look, yeah, it's actually 521 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 3: he's in a corner, he's in a train. 522 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 4: He's just singing to himself practicing. 523 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: That is cool. 524 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: And they have a prefront of cortex the way we do, 525 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: so they can show exact the function. My upcoming book bitches. 526 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: I had no idea what Gronna was concealing when she 527 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: first walked in here, and hey, she's Australia's most passionate 528 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: bird person, even if it's self titled to see the 529 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: two of us squawking. 530 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: Check us out on the socials. 531 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: If you like this, Zepp, quick the follow button, otherwise 532 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: Ronia will set the birds loose on you. 533 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: A concealed without Simone is an iHeart production.