Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reloaded podcast last week online. Welcome back guys to
Speaker 1: TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris and on this
Speaker 1: podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players
Speaker 1: in television. Each episode you will get a front row
Speaker 1: seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and
Speaker 1: casting agents. What's the talent that we see on our screens?
Speaker 1: TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching
Speaker 1: and gives you a better insight into our television industry
Speaker 1: and our streaming services. Today. On the podcast, I have
Speaker 1: one of Australia's most celebrated personalities, ev Jones, who is
Speaker 1: here to talk about Snack Masters Series two, which debuts
Speaker 1: on Channel nine at seven pm this Sunday night. Eve
Speaker 1: started off on Gogglebox Australia but quickly updated our TV
Speaker 1: status with an amazing effort, coming second on I'm a
Speaker 1: Celebrity in twenty nineteen. Since then, we have seen her
Speaker 1: pop up on talk shows, award nominated podcasts and radio gigs,
Speaker 1: and last year Channel nine gave her an exciting role
Speaker 1: on Snack Masters, which Audio of course demanded more of.
Speaker 1: We will talk about the new series today and I
Speaker 1: will give you some exclusive insights. But I also have
Speaker 1: a surprise for ev in today's episode, which I need
Speaker 1: you to keep in mind as I start the chat.
Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to my guest, I have Snack Masters executive producer
Speaker 1: from Warner Brothers, Caroline Swift, affectionately known as Spence to
Speaker 1: everyone in the industry listening into the chat. Will Evy
Speaker 1: be caught, out, shocked or outraged as I reveal our
Speaker 1: hidden guest, You will just have to wait and see. However,
Speaker 1: let's get started with today's episode as I welcome Evie
Speaker 1: Jones back to the podcast TV Reload.
Speaker 2: The show is.
Speaker 3: About food and it's about Australian food. This year, the
Speaker 3: Snackstakes have been raised. It was funny because working on
Speaker 3: goggle Box we never got directed.
Speaker 4: Snack Masters set an extraordinary challenge for Australia's top shies.
Speaker 3: She knows that to be a really good producer is
Speaker 3: to make the talent feel confident. You'll be leading on
Speaker 3: all the secrets of how they're really much Thanks to
Speaker 3: Snack Detective Evy Jones, one journalist ask are we promoting
Speaker 3: eating junk food? And I said absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Yes, Snackmasters start Sunday at seven.
Speaker 3: I'm nine. They have made careers on saying I've had
Speaker 3: the worst edit.
Speaker 1: Hi Ivy Jones, Hi Benjamin Norris. Do you remember the
Speaker 1: last time that I called you mate? When I had
Speaker 1: you on the podcast Get a Mate?
Speaker 3: Did I have a go at you for calling me mate?
Speaker 1: Only because it sounded so ridiculous?
Speaker 2: Like I was, like, you never called me mate.
Speaker 1: I'm still struggling though what to say when I start
Speaker 1: the podcast, because you know me, I want to get
Speaker 1: to the juice and I want to get to the
Speaker 1: fun part and saying hello to people. I actually really
Speaker 1: bad it hellos and goodbyes in general.
Speaker 3: Oh love that fine, that very fascinating about you, and
Speaker 3: I'll be watching intently from now on, well.
Speaker 1: After the therapist I go. Anyway, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on and talking about series two of Snack Masters.
Speaker 1: Is it good to be back.
Speaker 3: It's so good to be back. I'm just so glad
Speaker 3: that we have got a second season. Channel nine are
Speaker 3: doing such a good job in placing their TV shows.
Speaker 3: I think that they've realized that there are spaces for
Speaker 3: these shows, not to put them up against other shows
Speaker 3: in prime time, in ratings time, where they're going to
Speaker 3: be not watched, but put them in times where it
Speaker 3: really does help, especially around Christmas time. You know, we're
Speaker 3: a food show and we're not competing with other competitive
Speaker 3: food shows, and it really helps you get into that
Speaker 3: Christmas spirit and that holiday g and the show is
Speaker 3: about food and it's about Australian food. So what better
Speaker 3: way to kind of do that cross you know, groceries
Speaker 3: Christmas food eating? Isn't it interesting? I didn't know Tim
Speaker 3: Tams were made that way. So I'm really glad that
Speaker 3: we got that second season and we're having it aired
Speaker 3: at the same time, and I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: as season three will pretty much come because of that.
Speaker 1: It's a summer series. You know. My favorite thing about
Speaker 1: the show is the nostalgia factor. We go on a
Speaker 1: little journey and go and have a look at snack
Speaker 1: and see how long it's been in our lives for
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are culturally a part of
Speaker 1: Australian history.
Speaker 3: Have you watched the episode where Poe and Scott go
Speaker 3: back to the eighties. They go to a corner store
Speaker 3: and Paula Duncan is behind the counter.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that yet. I've only watched episode one,
Speaker 1: but I'm very excited for that because I'm still living
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's so good when you see her,
Speaker 3: she has an age today. And they go past the door,
Speaker 3: the glass door as they walk in, and there's an
Speaker 3: old TV week cover because the whole shop's been set
Speaker 3: up as the eighties, and there's an old TV cover
Speaker 3: with Paula Duncan on.
Speaker 2: It, and she's standing there behind. It's so brilliant.
Speaker 3: I meant to I must text Spencer go whose idea
Speaker 3: was that it's brilliant?
Speaker 1: You have been lucky enough to see the first few
Speaker 1: episodes of Snack Masters. We'll have to wait until Sunday.
Speaker 1: But what did you think? What have you thought of
Speaker 1: yourself on the show?
Speaker 3: I always think there's not enough of me. I'm not
Speaker 3: in it as much as I thought I was going
Speaker 3: to be. I'm so disappointed.
Speaker 1: Probably a good time for us to introduce our special
Speaker 1: guest here that's going to.
Speaker 3: Don't stop it, stomp it. I'm dying.
Speaker 5: I'm dead stop it.
Speaker 1: I know you.
Speaker 3: Is going on. God, Spence, I didn't mean that.
Speaker 5: I'm so like you can say whatever you like.
Speaker 3: I'm not in it enough. But that's the nature of
Speaker 3: the beast, isn't it That you do all these special
Speaker 3: entertaining things and then like nah tim tam slams not
Speaker 3: for us. I know.
Speaker 5: That's the thing about the it is, it's the vagaries
Speaker 5: of this business. You shoot and shoot and shoot and
Speaker 5: show and so much ends up on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 5: It kills me as well.
Speaker 3: Well, that's good to know. That's good to know at
Speaker 3: least that I bad.
Speaker 5: And I think certainly with this show. This show is
Speaker 5: hard to cut, you know. And it's really is.
Speaker 4: And it's it's because it's got so many moving parts,
Speaker 4: you know, and and it also has like a really
Speaker 4: it's key requirement is clarity, you know, like which which
Speaker 4: making it on track goes to God because it doesn't
Speaker 4: speak to clarity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a it's a tough one to edit.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to pop in to celebrate Evie Jones
Speaker 1: and the magic of Snack Master Series two. So for
Speaker 1: people listening this is this is a huge cup for
Speaker 1: us to be able to have you here and to
Speaker 1: share some of your thoughts with ev.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a great show, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: so glad that I get to work with you. I've
Speaker 3: worked with you before, and I think there was a
Speaker 3: time you wanted me for Celebrity Apprentice and when I
Speaker 3: said no because it was a lockdown and I was
Speaker 3: having such bad anxiety and mental health and I said
Speaker 3: to my manager, I'm just so worried that if I
Speaker 3: say no, they'll never offer me anything ever again. And
Speaker 3: you personally said to my manager, please let her know
Speaker 3: that we will always, you know, think of her for things,
Speaker 3: and not to ever think that way that you know,
Speaker 3: saying no to something means the death of your career.
Speaker 3: And I always remember that it was a very kind
Speaker 3: thing to hear back to have you know, feedback for
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh few, thank god. And then
Speaker 3: snack Masters go and I'm like, oh my god, perfect.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no.
Speaker 4: I think it was one of the joys of actually
Speaker 4: putting together you and Scott and Poe. And I remember
Speaker 4: actually when we kind of did that thing that you
Speaker 4: do up on the you know, you've got people's headshots
Speaker 4: and you're like, you know, what are we gonna do? Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then we kind of put I sort of slid
Speaker 4: you three te together and it was like I think
Speaker 4: It's one of the proud as casting kind of pace
Speaker 4: done actually, because I think you all just work like
Speaker 4: you just look right together inside the show to.
Speaker 1: Get when you cast ev what had you seen in
Speaker 1: our delightful and delicious ev Jones that made her write
Speaker 1: for the show. I mean, they look great together. But
Speaker 1: was there something that you'd seen of her or what
Speaker 1: was she and the zeitgeist for you?
Speaker 4: Well, obviously I was a massive fan of, you know,
Speaker 4: couch Time on goggle Box, so you know that was
Speaker 4: that was my sort of first first kind of foray.
Speaker 4: And actually, this is going to be this is going
Speaker 4: to sound very weird, and Evie, this will sound very
Speaker 4: weird to you. It was actually a pace on Angie's
Speaker 4: bachelorette when you went and visited her when they were
Speaker 4: doing nude painting or something.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that, Dari God, yeah, there was a
Speaker 3: penis right, I remember it, Yeah, And.
Speaker 5: I remember watching that and just.
Speaker 4: Going, oh, seeing you in a different sort of environment,
Speaker 4: a looser sort of environment, I suppose, Well, not just
Speaker 4: on a couch, I suppose. And I just loved your
Speaker 4: energy and clearly your ability to put people at ease,
Speaker 4: even when the pizzas were exposed and thought, honestly, you know,
Speaker 4: someone who can put someone with their penis out of ease,
Speaker 4: surely must be able to talk about a tim tam
Speaker 4: in a factory, you know.
Speaker 2: But actually.
Speaker 5: It was actually that scene where I was like, oh, there's.
Speaker 4: More to this lady, I think, and and I just
Speaker 4: and your energy is You're one of the very few
Speaker 4: people I think who are beautifully energetic and in the flesh.
Speaker 4: But also you can translate it down lens. A lot
Speaker 4: of people like that. That's a really difficult skill.
Speaker 1: There is a huge leap between reality TV stars and
Speaker 1: genuine TV personalities, and I always think that, you know,
Speaker 1: for TV personalities, there has to be something very genuine
Speaker 1: and authentic, and you have to be very inquisitive as
Speaker 1: a presenter, and I think Evie has that. She sees people.
Speaker 1: She is a great listener, she's a great storyteller, but
Speaker 1: she makes people feel like they want to open up.
Speaker 4: One of the key things is, and I think this
Speaker 4: is true just to being a human being. I think
Speaker 4: as well is just being constantly curious. And I think
Speaker 4: that is what I think. You know, you bring beautifully
Speaker 4: to this role, but it's also a relatability as well,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Food made on a mass scale is.
Speaker 4: Really much more scientific, isn't it ev as opposed to
Speaker 4: it's about science, isn't it really to try and take
Speaker 4: something like that and actually make it relatable. That's for me,
Speaker 4: I think, is that it really is your skill there
Speaker 4: in regards to the information that you're getting across.
Speaker 3: I mean, the people that I talk to, they take
Speaker 3: their jobs very seriously, which I absolutely love. You know,
Speaker 3: they a lot of them they actually have food scientists,
Speaker 3: and I think that that is brilliant and hilarious all
Speaker 3: at the same time. And when I talk to them,
Speaker 3: they're so into their jobs, but they're also really into
Speaker 3: just talking, you know, to someone about anything, and they
Speaker 3: so you get this beautiful side of them, and that
Speaker 3: that's what I like about them, because you know, most
Speaker 3: of them work regionally. They're all in like regional towns
Speaker 3: and absolutely love that, you know, we've come out and
Speaker 3: so interested. I say to all of them, do you
Speaker 3: have like tours come through? And have you had any
Speaker 3: other shows you know come in and do you know documentaries?
Speaker 3: And they say, no, this is the first time, and
Speaker 3: don't you think that this is fascinating and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 3: I do. I actually do. They get really chuffed about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think there's some there is some stuff
Speaker 4: that to be genuinely proud of, like the fourign twenty
Speaker 4: pie fight.
Speaker 5: Really, what's the biggest bakery in the world, is that right?
Speaker 3: It is the biggest pie bakery in the world.
Speaker 5: You know there it is in little old Barnsdale.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: And the guy that was Early, he's from Germany and
Speaker 3: he has I loved him so much, like I wanted
Speaker 3: to just hug him to death. He designs part like
Speaker 3: he comes and he's got pie brain and he thinks
Speaker 3: of things and he loves pies and baking so much.
Speaker 3: Not on the weekend he does his own like stall.
Speaker 3: And I kept thinking, oh, I wish Poe was here,
Speaker 3: because you know, she does that as well. She loves
Speaker 3: cooking and she does TV shows and all of these things.
Speaker 3: But on the weekends she trots off with all of
Speaker 3: her little bakery treats to the Adelaide markets and that's
Speaker 3: a real foody and Early was like that as well. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I loved the what That's one of the things I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed about this show very much, is that the
Speaker 4: nerdier and the more eccentric and the more into their
Speaker 4: particular products they are with the people that you talk to,
Speaker 4: and then on the judging paddle, the better.
Speaker 1: Someone said to me that they assumed that you were
Speaker 1: casting people to play them, So I don't want to
Speaker 1: throw this person under the bus. But I was watching
Speaker 1: the first episode, which will be on Sunday night, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was so funny because they are brilliant
Speaker 1: on this show. I mean, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: get access to go to these places, because that would
Speaker 1: be really hard, but then also to have access to
Speaker 1: the real people and have them want to do it
Speaker 1: is amazing, Like, I don't know how you put that together.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was one of the things that
Speaker 4: when we reached out to, you know, our hit list
Speaker 4: of snacks that we wanted to do. You know, one
Speaker 4: of the kind of key things is that, you know,
Speaker 4: you guys need to obviously give us that access to
Speaker 4: your factory for ev to go and visit, and preferably
Speaker 4: who Evie has leading her through the detective work. Ideally
Speaker 4: what they also sit on the judging panel as well,
Speaker 4: But you need to make four people available to us
Speaker 4: and not all of them can be your advertising and
Speaker 4: marketing people. We don't, in fact, we don't really want
Speaker 4: those people want them.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 3: We don't like seeing it. We don't want them they're
Speaker 3: seeing all the time boring. We want the guts of
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they and they. I think also that these people
Speaker 5: don't often get.
Speaker 4: You know, some of them have ben have they been
Speaker 4: doing it for like work, work, the for thirty years.
Speaker 4: They're part of the family of that of that snack
Speaker 4: they live and breathe. It's actually quite beautiful. The pride
Speaker 4: that they, you know, that they take in it isn't that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're very proud of what they do, and they
Speaker 3: love that we're interested in it because they get it,
Speaker 3: and they kind of like, oh you really, you really
Speaker 3: do want to know. I'm going to tell you. I'm
Speaker 3: going to you know. It's my favorite part is the
Speaker 3: bits they can't tell you but they can't help They say,
Speaker 3: you promise you won't tell anyone, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: it won't go to air, and they can't. They just
Speaker 3: can't help themselves. But tell you that little secret ingredient
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, it's a shame, we can't put
Speaker 3: that to air. And they're like, I know, but really
Speaker 3: you can't bless them.
Speaker 1: Spencer is going to say, you know you, it's so
Speaker 1: well known for the shows that you make. You're so busy.
Speaker 1: I think you're probably one of the busiest producers in
Speaker 1: the country, and I see your name coming up again
Speaker 1: and again on shows. But what I love about the
Speaker 1: shows you are making is you make the talent look
Speaker 1: really accessible. And I don't know how you do it
Speaker 1: because you when you're watching a show and things, you
Speaker 1: feel included as an audience. And I must admit there's
Speaker 1: so many shows where they don't get it right. But
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask you, what's your secret in
Speaker 1: building relationships to get the most out of the people
Speaker 1: that you work with.
Speaker 5: Thank you. That's very kind of you to say that.
Speaker 4: I think for me, for an audience to feel engaged,
Speaker 4: they need to feel relaxed. And to feel relaxed, you
Speaker 4: need to know that the people who are guiding you
Speaker 4: through the show are confident and know where they're going,
Speaker 4: you know, so you don't sit there kind of going,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I feel nervous because this show seems
Speaker 4: to be drifting and.
Speaker 5: You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But I think for me, how to do that is
Speaker 4: too often to get out of there, get out of
Speaker 4: your own way, you know what I mean, because a
Speaker 4: lot of people who are out in.
Speaker 5: Front of the camera far better than they think they are,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: And I think that, you know the For me, it
Speaker 4: is just about infusing people with confidence and making them
Speaker 4: believe as much in themselves.
Speaker 2: As I do.
Speaker 4: So I think that I think it's that simple, you know,
Speaker 4: And being also to being relentlessly collaborative, you know. I
Speaker 4: think that that's the I try and do that with
Speaker 4: all of the guys that I work with, all the
Speaker 4: producers I work with that you know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I never claim to have. I don't have all the answers,
Speaker 5: and I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not always right, and in fact, more often than not,
Speaker 4: I'm not right. And it's actually being able to trust people.
Speaker 4: I think people perform much better when they're trusted, when
Speaker 4: they've been collaborated with, and when they know that that
Speaker 4: the people who are producing them have can play confidence
Speaker 4: and yet confidence in them.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 5: I genuinely think it's that simple.
Speaker 1: The confidence is natural ability, I think, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's what I can see in your presenters, there's no
Speaker 1: arrogance to them. Pose of a great example of that.
Speaker 1: Evie is a great example of that. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a confidence that's coming across on screen, and I think
Speaker 1: that sometimes can be hard to conjure, you know, when
Speaker 1: there's so much pressure, when there is so much pressure
Speaker 1: on them, especially with Evie, Like you've come from doing
Speaker 1: reality TV and then now you are a fully fledged
Speaker 1: TV presenter and doing it brilliantly. I know personally that's
Speaker 1: inside of you, but then to get someone to unearth
Speaker 1: that out of you, that's a real skill.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what, I can vouch for most
Speaker 3: of the people that I work with in the crew
Speaker 3: as far as producers and directors go, that Spence really
Speaker 3: does make them feel collabed, like they're part of it
Speaker 3: and they really listen to And I've spoken to a
Speaker 3: lot of them that would be like, oh, I just
Speaker 3: love her so much, like she's just the best. She's
Speaker 3: the best. And I'm like, yeah, like that's really rare,
Speaker 3: you know, because everything I did was celebrated, and it
Speaker 3: just makes you want to do more and go better
Speaker 3: and keep doing it because no one's saying, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: that's not really working. And you know, it was funny
Speaker 3: because working on goggle Box we never got directed and
Speaker 3: it would so fly on the wall. And it works
Speaker 3: really well if you just kind of let let people
Speaker 3: go and do their thing and be who they are,
Speaker 3: and then you edit it really, you know, get it,
Speaker 3: so it's so good. I remember there was we had
Speaker 3: one woman come in one day out of eight seasons
Speaker 3: and she had come from reality TV producing. I think
Speaker 3: she'd done the seven year Switch and that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: so back back then, and she we have this god
Speaker 3: mic or god speaker that we called it because we
Speaker 3: were in the room alone, but our crew would be
Speaker 3: in another room all set up with their equipment and
Speaker 3: they'd be watching and listening, and if the producer wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to us, which was very rare because you
Speaker 3: frighten the life out of us. When we'd hear the
Speaker 3: god speakers go on, we're like, oh shit, oh God,
Speaker 3: we forget that people are in another room. She kept
Speaker 3: using it and we're like, this is really meir, And
Speaker 3: every time she'd use it, she'd say things like, oh God,
Speaker 3: you went on a bit there, or okay, anyway, can
Speaker 3: we continue with the movie. Wow, And Angie and I
Speaker 3: that day we shut down. I can still remember we
Speaker 3: were watching Top Gun. We were like, I can remember
Speaker 3: every single thing about that particular shoot.
Speaker 2: That day.
Speaker 3: We shut down so badly that the EP called us
Speaker 3: the next day and said, I've just watched last night.
Speaker 3: It's rushes and don't worry, she's never coming back. And
Speaker 3: you know that's not Please don't ever shut down like
Speaker 3: that again, Like, you know, we will make sure.
Speaker 2: That you know you just are who you are.
Speaker 3: But it was amazing how just that one little critique
Speaker 3: when you don't know you've done anything wrong. There's such
Speaker 3: a massive difference. And I guess in reality TV that
Speaker 3: kind of a director or a producer is needed because
Speaker 3: then maybe you get the drama that you want, whereas
Speaker 3: other productions you need your talent to be really confident
Speaker 3: and feeling like they're doing the right thing, and your
Speaker 3: job is to get rid of the shit later on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really I think it is about making This
Speaker 4: is going to sound so La wain Ka, but it
Speaker 4: is to be the best version of themselves, you know,
Speaker 4: and to see anything else just and I know it
Speaker 4: sounds like fuck, you know, how hard is it to
Speaker 4: be yourself?
Speaker 5: It's really fucking hard, you know. That's what it is.
Speaker 5: It's about going no, no, no.
Speaker 4: We've booked you for a reason for what you bring.
Speaker 4: Give me more of it.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned something that I think is really funny.
Speaker 1: People sit at home saying that they could be on
Speaker 1: Google Box, or people sit at home saying, oh, if
Speaker 1: I was on this show, I would do such and such,
Speaker 1: But it's it's not true. It's actually you know, you
Speaker 1: can sometimes become a very different person under the pressure of,
Speaker 1: you know, shooting something. I remember Alex Maverdikes once said
Speaker 1: to me he was like, an introverted person can all
Speaker 1: of a sudden become extroverted in front of a camera,
Speaker 1: and vice versa. An extroverted person can quieten down. And
Speaker 1: so it's not as simple as being confident enough to
Speaker 1: think I can do it. Use something very rare that
Speaker 1: people have that transcends on camera.
Speaker 5: I think the camera, television. The camera is a very
Speaker 5: blunt instrument. And I think this is less about I.
Speaker 4: Think what I think what with what Evening does, but
Speaker 4: certainly with respect to reality contestants and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: because it is such a blunt instrument, and it also
Speaker 4: it doesn't lie.
Speaker 5: So if you kind of I'm just one of the
Speaker 5: things I.
Speaker 4: Say to all the people who are considering coming on
Speaker 4: any of any of the reality shows that I do,
Speaker 4: which is, if you come in and think, you know,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm going to self censor and I'm
Speaker 4: going to put a wall up, and you know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to be very intentional about what I do and.
Speaker 5: Say, you're just going to look fucking shifty. You're not
Speaker 5: going to look like you're in control.
Speaker 4: You're going to look fighting something and you have to
Speaker 4: be naked. You know, that is the way to win
Speaker 4: and succeed on these shows. Drop everything and then the
Speaker 4: but you do anything odd like put up walls or
Speaker 4: try and be something different or you know, shut down
Speaker 4: or whatever, and it'll have the opposite outcome of what
Speaker 4: you want it to.
Speaker 2: I can vouch for that.
Speaker 3: In a celebrity get me out of here. I had
Speaker 3: to control a little bit of mine, not what was
Speaker 3: being seen, more about what was happening in the jungle.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't eat this, and you can't you know,
Speaker 3: you have to blah blah blah blah. And I just
Speaker 3: kept trying to control everything. And then after two weeks
Speaker 3: I had realized that the time I realized and I
Speaker 3: said to Angie, I don't think I'm gettingvoted out of
Speaker 3: his When I did, I had best experience. I reckon
Speaker 3: you could see a completely different side on camera as well.
Speaker 4: I think I think you've hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 4: It is something that I've said to everyone about that.
Speaker 4: It's like, do not take a spot away from someone
Speaker 4: else on this show if you want to come in
Speaker 4: and try and control it. And if you do that,
Speaker 4: you'll have the most terrible experience of your life. You
Speaker 4: will hate me, you will hate the producers, you will
Speaker 4: hate the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Come in open nude and.
Speaker 4: Willing to basically jump feet first into this experience.
Speaker 5: It'll be fucking life changing for you.
Speaker 3: What do you make of the Maths contestants that leave
Speaker 3: the show and just go on and on and on
Speaker 3: about the edit, and you know, because it happens every
Speaker 3: season now since about four seasons, like really hardcore, they
Speaker 3: have made careers on saying I've had the worst edit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I I just don't even listen anymore. My
Speaker 4: response to it professionally is I you know, and as
Speaker 4: we start to put a cast together, reality shows. I
Speaker 4: have very clear conversations with people about exactly this. I'm
Speaker 4: just like, look, I can't make you do something, I
Speaker 4: can't make you say something. So you know, what people
Speaker 4: are normally responding to is that it's condensed.
Speaker 5: Time and juxtaposition. That's what they're responding to.
Speaker 4: And you know, you if you took you know, my
Speaker 4: day and condensed it down to three minutes, it's going
Speaker 4: to look and feel very different than watching it unfolding
Speaker 4: real time, you know. And I think that that's something
Speaker 4: that people just can't quite get their head around. And also,
Speaker 4: you know, the reason they want to go on maps,
Speaker 4: and the reason people want to watch maps is often
Speaker 4: the you know, the skill of the edit is the
Speaker 4: compare and contrast and real life you don't your eyes
Speaker 4: don't compare and contrast.
Speaker 5: You don't, you know, you know, buck cut up, you know, me.
Speaker 4: Kind of going on, my god, I've got a thing
Speaker 4: about you know, dirty feet, and then suddenly, you know,
Speaker 4: someone walks towards.
Speaker 5: Me with dirty feet.
Speaker 3: It just does.
Speaker 4: It never happens that way in real life, whereas in
Speaker 4: television we.
Speaker 5: Can construct it that way.
Speaker 4: But it's not giving someone a bad edit, you know,
Speaker 4: it's also stuff that gets left out.
Speaker 5: That's usually their other issue as well.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, well we don't get to see or you
Speaker 3: didn't get to see the good side of me.
Speaker 1: But you know what's funny is that I interview people
Speaker 1: like three times a week, and you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of reality TV contestants say yes to doing my podcast,
Speaker 1: So this is very unusual to have such high caliber
Speaker 1: guests today. No offense to them. No offense then, But
Speaker 1: do you know what's really interesting is that they say,
Speaker 1: while they're being interviewed about their edit, I'm not like this,
Speaker 1: But as they are saying it, they're portraying every single
Speaker 1: attribute that they say they don't have. So they'll be like,
Speaker 1: but I'm not aggressive, and you're like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: being to me. They're being aggressive now, like and you
Speaker 1: feel like saying to them, no, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: the edit. It's just the disconnect that you have with yourself,
Speaker 1: this version of yourself you've created over the years of
Speaker 1: your friends or your parents or your mum or whoever's
Speaker 1: told you that you were wonderful and amazing. That's that's
Speaker 1: the disconnect. That's someone's lied to you.
Speaker 4: You know, you get to a certain age and you
Speaker 4: you haven't ever really you know, you don't know how
Speaker 4: you behave, you don't know how you sound, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And also once you kind of get
Speaker 4: past about eleven, not many people often tell you no,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Or no that's not what you know. Well, that's not
Speaker 5: the way to behave, you know. And often there's a
Speaker 5: lot of saving people from themselves on these shows, you know,
Speaker 5: And I think that's.
Speaker 4: Actually really ever acknowledged by you know, people on these shows.
Speaker 4: Often we can see what's going on, and we can
Speaker 4: see how it's going to be, how it's going to
Speaker 4: come across, and you kind of go, hey, you probably
Speaker 4: should insert apologize to that person on camera now, or
Speaker 4: go and do that, you know, to try and kind
Speaker 4: of assist, and you get ignored or told that you're
Speaker 4: being you know, I'll do it. I want don't try
Speaker 4: and produce me. Okay, cool, we won't try and produce you. Now,
Speaker 4: it's up to you to however you come across highly.
Speaker 1: They're allergic to themselves. Just to sidestep that for just
Speaker 1: a little bit, and just because we only have spens
Speaker 1: for just a limited time, I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: you know, we are seeing more women behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of television more than ever before, and you hear stories
Speaker 1: of it being a big boys club back in the day,
Speaker 1: and then here we have you, who has the respect
Speaker 1: of other producers. I often speak to other producers in
Speaker 1: your industry that are male, you know, that male dominant space,
Speaker 1: and they hold you in such high regard. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know from your perspective. You know, what do
Speaker 1: you think has changed, you know, for you to be
Speaker 1: able to and for more women to have more opportunity
Speaker 1: like this in this industry?
Speaker 5: Great question, I think, what is it?
Speaker 4: Look one of the I'll just start with the fact
Speaker 4: that if you'd said to me fifteen years ago that
Speaker 4: three of the major houses in Australia would be creatively
Speaker 4: run by women, I would.
Speaker 5: Have not quite believed you, you know.
Speaker 4: And the fact that I'm now at Warner's Mills and Taza,
Speaker 4: you know, creatively running and the Malshine Beth Hearts creatively
Speaker 4: running ITV. You know, I, honestly I don't think would
Speaker 4: have believed you. And the reason I wouldn't have believed
Speaker 4: you is that all I saw was rigidity in the
Speaker 4: guys that had been there for almost as long as
Speaker 4: i'd been in television, you know, which is now coming
Speaker 4: up to cross to mighty thirty years, you know, so,
Speaker 4: and it was because I didn't see the move, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And also, you know, it was
Speaker 4: always traditionally that all the show runners were men with
Speaker 4: the odd exception, and then there was this army of
Speaker 4: kind of women, kind of you know underneath. I think
Speaker 4: it's been a natural thing that's happened that as those
Speaker 4: you know, as those men have either moved into.
Speaker 5: Networks or retired.
Speaker 4: Or what ever, it was kind of inevitable that this
Speaker 4: army of really hard working, clever, creative women we're going
Speaker 4: to rise up, you know. You know we've got I
Speaker 4: think the balance is sort of getting there, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 5: And you know, I've got some.
Speaker 4: Fantastic male showrunners that I work with who bring a
Speaker 4: completely different view to their shows, and equally, I've got
Speaker 4: some fantastic women's showrunners who do exactly the same. It's
Speaker 4: it's it's yeah. But how do I think it's happened.
Speaker 4: I think it's just happened because it was inevitable. It
Speaker 4: was inevitable.
Speaker 1: Well off the back of that, I was going to
Speaker 1: say to both of you, have you noticed in the
Speaker 1: content change then on screen, because you know there has
Speaker 1: been a shift behind the screen in elevating women's voices
Speaker 1: and equality and presenting diversity in a different way. Do
Speaker 1: you think we are seeing a change in the content
Speaker 1: that we see on our screens you.
Speaker 5: I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, darling.
Speaker 3: It was great to hear what you were saying about
Speaker 3: how there's you know, an army of women underneath those men,
Speaker 3: so as they naturally leaving or retiring or dying that
Speaker 3: you know the next best person is going to come up.
Speaker 3: And I found find that really interesting because it was
Speaker 3: a man's club and it's not going to become a
Speaker 3: women's club because we just don't work that way. It
Speaker 3: will become a meritocracy, which Ben knows is one of
Speaker 3: my favorite terms in the world, where we eventually get
Speaker 3: to a point where we assign roles to whoever has
Speaker 3: the merit to deserve that role. And that's why I
Speaker 3: think that the changing TV and the landscape in movies,
Speaker 3: all of it is so wonderfully changing for diversity. We
Speaker 3: are seeing, like to have a show at love on
Speaker 3: the spectrum winning Emmys, Golden Globes, to have you know,
Speaker 3: people of color being shown, disability, people being shown so
Speaker 3: many you know, so and having hosts. That one thing
Speaker 3: Poe and I said when we first met each other,
Speaker 3: and I actually told Adrian, which I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what he's going to think of it when
Speaker 3: I said that, But Poe and I was so excited
Speaker 3: that we had an Asian and a fat girl on
Speaker 3: Channel nine as hosts, not as comedy, not as you know,
Speaker 3: but people who are being taken seriously because once upon
Speaker 3: a time, Channel nine wouldn't and it wasn't that reason.
Speaker 5: Ago wouldn't Ago.
Speaker 4: I'm yeah, the fact that I think you know that
Speaker 4: it's it's you know, we're making television for women twenty
Speaker 4: five to fifty four.
Speaker 5: That's so that's who I make television for, you know, and.
Speaker 4: It's you know, there's still moments though, where you know,
Speaker 4: it's just talking about there are still moments where I
Speaker 4: sometimes sit, you know, or I.
Speaker 5: Hear things being pitched.
Speaker 4: You know that that is so like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I cannot believe you've not brought a woman into that
Speaker 4: particular pitch, you know, And it's a complete Sausage Fest,
Speaker 4: trying to pitch a show that is clearly about.
Speaker 5: Women for women, you know, and it still happens.
Speaker 4: It's occasionally still lapses, but it's occasional as opposed to
Speaker 4: them now And I think what I love just about
Speaker 4: what Evie said, because I am also about meritocracies and
Speaker 4: and I just you know, I'm you know, I'm the
Speaker 4: fair I'm a feminist who just all I.
Speaker 5: Just want is just let's just all be equal. I
Speaker 5: don't want to work in television that is just all women,
Speaker 5: you know, just like I didn't like but it's all.
Speaker 3: Men, you know what I mean, the best person for
Speaker 3: the job.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a delight now that what I love
Speaker 4: is that now, you know, broadly speaking, when I go
Speaker 4: out and look for the best person to the job,
Speaker 4: I now have a really equal balance with respect to
Speaker 4: the genders that I can choose from, which is fucking great.
Speaker 1: Ben So I just want to say thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on and joining us. We got a
Speaker 1: little bit more of you today than I thought we would,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say thank you because I
Speaker 1: know how busy you are.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. Benjamin and ev
Speaker 4: I love spending time in your company, So thank.
Speaker 1: You, thank you for your generosity with so much time.
Speaker 1: Amazing you guys later, Why Evie, I thought it would
Speaker 1: be fun for you to say something, and you just
Speaker 1: walked straight into it. I didn't even even did anyway,
Speaker 1: it was super duper fun and I'm so glad we
Speaker 1: did that. I pranked you, I punked you. I'm ashed
Speaker 1: in kutcher. Anyway, We're going to do a bit of
Speaker 1: a factory reset right now so you can catch your breath,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to play the Snack past season two promo,
Speaker 1: and then we're going to come back and talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about food.
Speaker 3: Prepare your taste buds.
Speaker 1: Feeling hungry famished for six delicious nights on nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to replicate the snack Australia's best chefs and to
Speaker 3: head recreating our most iconic snacks.
Speaker 4: I think I stopped this up.
Speaker 3: Do you give up?
Speaker 5: Ads?
Speaker 4: Get it together.
Speaker 3: I know You've got this and all out showdown like
Speaker 3: no other. It looks like salt and Pepper Calormario. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to attack us. Your time to crack the snap
Speaker 3: shots down.
Speaker 2: Unade Masters start Sunday at seven on nine.
Speaker 1: The mad of the show as well has to do
Speaker 1: with our own relationship with these snacks, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think that we have we hold them quite sacred.
Speaker 1: And it's I remember with episode one with the ice bovo.
Speaker 1: I can't remember who said it, but someone said, oh,
Speaker 1: I've eaten over a million of these, and my grandma
Speaker 1: used to have them. And I thought to myself straight away, Yes,
Speaker 1: my grandma used to have them too, And every time
Speaker 1: I was there at my grandma's house, we would have
Speaker 1: an iced bovo. And then immediately I felt the No, obviously,
Speaker 1: my Grandma's no longer with us. I could feel her,
Speaker 1: you know, I could sense her, and I thought.
Speaker 2: That I love that.
Speaker 1: That was something that was important to me as a viewer,
Speaker 1: to have those sort of relationships, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: as I said, that's the magic of it, that's the
Speaker 1: magic of the show.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. That is exactly why I think the first season
Speaker 3: did so well. When people watched it, they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's taken me back. Oh that ad of that, you know, drumstick,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. The twist is, oh, that's really taken
Speaker 3: me back. Because we have such fond memories of our snacks.
Speaker 3: Watching the UK version I watched they did Quality Street
Speaker 3: and the reaction of people opening the Quality Street, the
Speaker 3: chefs and their shoes, chefs and people who were working
Speaker 3: in the kitchen, they're like, oh cool me, I haven't
Speaker 3: had one of these work quite well. And they're like,
Speaker 3: but oh oh, this has taken me right back. Oh
Speaker 3: you needed tetley tea now, and you know that kind
Speaker 3: of thing. That is what is so wonderful. That's why
Speaker 3: using the old footage that they do is really really
Speaker 3: smart to get us to go, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: loved that. That snack. That's been around six six episodes
Speaker 3: this time two snacks per episode, so we've got twelve snacks. Well,
Speaker 3: the Allen's one is actually three snacks, so more than twelve.
Speaker 1: We also have a strain relationship with snacks, I think
Speaker 1: at the moment because we now tell ourselves that we
Speaker 1: can't have snacks. Oh, there's got to be a healthier option,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's there's something about the guilty pleasure
Speaker 1: of being able to have a snack because we all
Speaker 1: still have them. If we didn't still all eat the snacks,
Speaker 1: the supermarkets wouldn't be full of them. So people are
Speaker 1: still eating them. But there's a shame factor. And I
Speaker 1: think this show's really good at being able to remind
Speaker 1: us that we need these guilty pleasures in our life
Speaker 1: and how delicious they are, because you know, life could
Speaker 1: be pretty grim, so oh my eat a stam.
Speaker 3: Snacks arelive. But you know, I've spoken to a family
Speaker 3: and that when I were asking what the show was
Speaker 3: and I would say Snack Masters, they would say, oh,
Speaker 3: what junk food? And I'm like, yeah, I guess, but
Speaker 3: we don't call it that and we don't present it
Speaker 3: as that. And I've had one journalist ask and we
Speaker 3: promoting eating junk food and I said, absolutely not. You know,
Speaker 3: we're not telling you to gorge yourself on cheesels. We're saying,
Speaker 3: how amazing are cheesels when you eat one and you
Speaker 3: haven't in a while. Because this thing is that people, yeah,
Speaker 3: buy snacks all the time, and we can see that
Speaker 3: in our grocery stores and everything. But they're not your meals.
Speaker 3: They're your snacks. You know, you sit down and you
Speaker 3: watch TV, or you sit in bed with your partner,
Speaker 3: or are you sit in bed alone and you have
Speaker 3: your little treaty and it's lovely, you know, and that's.
Speaker 2: The majority of people.
Speaker 3: I think that, yeah, we have been shamed into eating
Speaker 3: not eating these things, but everyone still does. And we
Speaker 3: know that everything in moderation is absolutely fine. You can't
Speaker 3: eat snacks endlessly because they're too rich. All snacks are
Speaker 3: just too rich, so your body eventually after, I mean,
Speaker 3: everyone knows you have one meat pie, a little four
Speaker 3: and twenty pie. You can't eat another one. Your body's
Speaker 3: like no, no, and are you making a face? You
Speaker 3: can eat two of those things.
Speaker 1: I love pies. Why I just.
Speaker 3: Wait, Benjamin, until you find out how many times they
Speaker 3: roll the pastry that goes on top of that.
Speaker 1: I believe you, wait, I believe you. I am an
Speaker 1: a fishiado is that the word, and a fiscionado of
Speaker 1: pies like I love. I can't go through a small
Speaker 1: town though without trying their pies.
Speaker 3: Neither pies are the best invent. I mean, everything is
Speaker 3: a great invention, but for me, if it's got food
Speaker 3: in it, but pies.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about this last time. Last time
Speaker 1: we spoke was the day before season one launched, and
Speaker 1: we talked about what people would say to you online
Speaker 1: about snacks and junk food and all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: And it's really interesting conversation because you and I were
Speaker 1: kind of nervous about what people would say. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: you weren't nervous. I didn't care. You said shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up, and in the nice swep I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, people are going to say, oh, look
Speaker 3: at this fat bitch eating snacks, Like did they say that?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 3: Never did? Never did actually surprised me. I thought Channel
Speaker 3: Channel nine viewers were a lot harsher than other network viewers.
Speaker 3: They're not. So I apologize to everyone listening.
Speaker 1: And Channel I don't have enough money to go around,
Speaker 1: and no television network does these days to pay people off. No,
Speaker 1: don't say that. Say what you're like, You know, you
Speaker 1: can't censor people. But you know, the interesting thing about
Speaker 1: last season two this season is how much people on
Speaker 1: the on the series. You know something that I think
Speaker 1: you noticed because I brought it up with you at
Speaker 1: the time. I was like, people are loving you on
Speaker 1: this show. Like it's one thing to be friends with
Speaker 1: you and to kind of think of you as a
Speaker 1: bit of a secret in some ways, because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know that person's amazing, but then to share them
Speaker 1: with the world is another whole side of it, and
Speaker 1: then for people to see you the way that I
Speaker 1: see you is quite amazing and quite beautiful.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. Yeah, I haven't had one of my
Speaker 3: best friends call me after the first episode last season
Speaker 3: and she goes, you were really good. I went, why
Speaker 3: do you sound so surprised? She goes, well, I just
Speaker 3: she said, like you were really good.
Speaker 1: You are so good on this show. It fits the
Speaker 1: mold perfectly. And we were so lucky enough to have
Speaker 1: that conversation about why you fit on this show so well,
Speaker 1: why you look so up it's so good up against
Speaker 1: the others with Spence, So you know, that was quite
Speaker 1: an amazing It's.
Speaker 2: A good fit. It's a really good fit.
Speaker 3: And you know, like we Spence said, you know, she
Speaker 3: knows that to be a really good producer is to
Speaker 3: make the talent feel confident, and she certainly does that,
Speaker 3: like in space and not to the point where you're
Speaker 3: a big head, but you actually go, oh wow, people
Speaker 3: can see what is inside and I'm going to show
Speaker 3: that because it's being celebrated.
Speaker 1: Because I believe in the season three, I just want
Speaker 1: to ask you, is there a snack that doesn't get cut,
Speaker 1: that doesn't get done season one and season two. That
Speaker 1: needs to be done for season three.
Speaker 3: I want a big mac Macis is my you know,
Speaker 3: as you know, if I say to someone I love
Speaker 3: you more than Macis, that means everything. It's true because
Speaker 3: I haven't. No, I know I haven't because I don't.
Speaker 3: There is not many people that I love more Macas.
Speaker 3: So if you ever hear it, you know that you
Speaker 3: are truly, truly above and beyond in my eyes that
Speaker 3: I love my mum more than Macers. So that's how
Speaker 3: high up it goes. Yeah, I'd like, you know, KFC
Speaker 3: or McDonald's, but KFC obviously we can't do because they're
Speaker 3: never going to reveal. There's secret herbs and spass.
Speaker 1: I've actually worked one of the secret host spices and
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is heart radio leave this
Speaker 1: in here, but you know what, it was funny. Ben
Speaker 1: and I went out and had a lot to drink.
Speaker 1: So we've had the craving for the CA. The KFC
Speaker 1: is what we call it here at our house uh Asian.
Speaker 1: We ate a family feast of it, which we'd done
Speaker 1: once before, and you know what, I noticed it did
Speaker 1: something to the two of us.
Speaker 2: Which maybe it was horny goat weed.
Speaker 1: That's the secret herbs and spice. I cracked it. You
Speaker 1: know what's really funny is I was like, this is
Speaker 1: so bizarre. I was like this chicken has got maybe
Speaker 1: the hormones and the chicken or something. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is very strange because, like I was, we've been
Speaker 1: together for thirteen years. As you know, I was looking
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 3: I don't put hormones in chicken. That's a big meth
Speaker 3: that go on. But I was looking like he was,
Speaker 3: you know, and it was just after no, it was
Speaker 3: definitely I know exactly what it is because it happens
Speaker 3: to me all the time as well.
Speaker 2: After I ate Chinese, what is it?
Speaker 1: Then MSG no, MSG gives me night terrors like, oh
Speaker 1: well it's.
Speaker 2: Not well it is something.
Speaker 3: Then to MSG makes me so happy, like so incredibly happy.
Speaker 3: Me and Annie go and eat MSG. We go to
Speaker 3: old school Chinese whenever we can, whenever we can find one,
Speaker 3: and we just go and then we have the best
Speaker 3: twenty minutes around life and then we crash.
Speaker 1: This is on brand for this conversation. So my grandparents
Speaker 1: would make a soup before you'd get to their place.
Speaker 1: So anyway, for people listening. I'm not about to talk
Speaker 1: about horny grandparents, so like just to still keep listening.
Speaker 1: But we always kept wanting to know what was in
Speaker 1: the vegetable soup, and they wouldn't give us the recipe. Actually,
Speaker 1: grandma would give you the recipe, but it was never
Speaker 1: as good when you recreated it.
Speaker 3: My grandmother did that to me too, and it turned.
Speaker 1: Out we close. Yeah, she would leave. Both of them
Speaker 1: were leaving out one thing, and as they got older
Speaker 1: and they kind of got you know, as you do,
Speaker 1: you lose a bit of your faculties. My cousins were
Speaker 1: staying with them and saw the secret recipe and were
Speaker 1: shocked at the secret recipe. And then once they told me,
Speaker 1: I said no, no, no, that recipe. Grandma and Grandpa
Speaker 1: would never have told you. There's no way, And they
Speaker 1: said no, no, no, And they told me I made it
Speaker 1: at home. It was exactly the way that Grandma and
Speaker 1: Grandpa soup tasted. What is the secret recipe? What is
Speaker 1: the secret ingredient in Grandma and Grandpa my grandparents soupre?
Speaker 1: What is the secret recipe in vegetable soup at my
Speaker 1: grandparents house? What do you think it would be? Yes,
Speaker 1: that magie stuff, you know, the Maggie bottle.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, and not a spreado.
Speaker 1: Look look, look, glog gloglo.
Speaker 3: The more if you went into a Chinese restaurant, into
Speaker 3: the kitchen and saw how much of that months mono
Speaker 3: sodium glutenate that they used, it would actually make your
Speaker 3: eyes water. But I have started following a lot of
Speaker 3: Chinese TikTokers and YouTubers and things like that. I've been
Speaker 3: doing that for years, and the one thing I've realized
Speaker 3: is Asian food tastes because it does because of the
Speaker 3: holy amount of MSG.
Speaker 2: That they use.
Speaker 3: They're not frightened of it. There was a time when
Speaker 3: this big fear campaign went around Western culture of MSG,
Speaker 3: and it was probably done on purpose to make us
Speaker 3: stop eating Asian food and to get us to start
Speaker 3: eating Western food. So it makes sense, but we don't
Speaker 3: have They don't have the fear that we have of MSG.
Speaker 3: They'll never have it. They have it in their kitchens.
Speaker 3: So you can't buy MSG at Woolies or Coal's or anywhere.
Speaker 3: You have to go to the Asian grocery stores and
Speaker 3: ask for it. Because it doesn't say MSG. It's in
Speaker 3: other languages, so I would say, where's the MSG, and
Speaker 3: they'd go over there and there'd be a million different
Speaker 3: types of MSG, different flavors of it. But it is
Speaker 3: just really salty salt that makes food delicious, and your
Speaker 3: grandparents had it right.
Speaker 1: Gimme, gimme, gimme is what the hot turns out? But
Speaker 1: it gives me night terrors. Anyway, I digress.
Speaker 3: He cares.
Speaker 2: It's worth it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love you, and I have to wrap up
Speaker 1: this podcast because they tell me to make them thirty
Speaker 1: minutes and this.
Speaker 2: One will be eighty five Lord of the Rings length.
Speaker 1: But people I know have enjoyed it. Everyone who joins
Speaker 1: the podcast gets asked this question, what is something from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, something that we won't see? Kind of
Speaker 1: a behind the scenes secret of working on the second
Speaker 1: series of Snack Masters.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell you one thing that we were not
Speaker 3: allowed to put to air. Now I've already discussed there
Speaker 3: is an ingredient in iced fovotes that we were not
Speaker 3: allowed to tell, and I'm not going to tell obviously,
Speaker 3: But when we walked in to the factory and went
Speaker 3: close to it, we could smell it so strongly, and
Speaker 3: once we knew what it was, then we ate of
Speaker 3: ice vovo. It's in the biscuit. When you just eat
Speaker 3: the biscuit on its own, you can taste it. And
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, it's so it's so
Speaker 3: prominent and I've never noticed it before. So there's a
Speaker 3: little behind the scenes thing that where not they would
Speaker 3: not allow us to give that one secret away, So
Speaker 3: the chefs definitely don't put it in. Obviously they're replicas,
Speaker 3: but when you eat a nice phovo, you can definitely
Speaker 3: taste it when you know it's there, and I can't
Speaker 3: imagine a nice phofo without it.
Speaker 1: Now, how many snacks do I have to give you
Speaker 1: for you to tell me the ingredient offline?
Speaker 2: Never a lot, a lot. I can tell you one
Speaker 2: other thing.
Speaker 3: I just got a filling yesterday, So donate too many
Speaker 3: snakes alive.
Speaker 1: Keevin Jones, thank you so much for being able to
Speaker 1: join me on the podcast today. You have joined a
Speaker 1: club of being on the podcast twice, which has only
Speaker 1: been held by two other people.
Speaker 3: Good Alex MAVs one and who's the other?
Speaker 2: Pretty on the spot?
Speaker 3: Didn't I?
Speaker 1: That's Janet Vigeon.
Speaker 3: Oh well, well, well I.
Speaker 1: Don't know why I don't know. I was looking at
Speaker 1: it the other day and Abbi Chadfield has been on twice. Actually,
Speaker 1: so Abbi Chadfield, Jack Vision, Ebie Jones, and Alex madradikas
Speaker 1: all that is in the jungle.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we have and three of us ate anuses.
Speaker 3: One did well.
Speaker 1: But hanging a six so so Jack never ate the
Speaker 1: anus on screen. Just you're just assuming that happened.
Speaker 3: I know that Jack and Abby would be big anis
Speaker 3: eaters in the jungle.
Speaker 2: It's all I'm saying. Aby went for it.
Speaker 3: She was amazing in those feuturals.
Speaker 2: I have actual tears in my eyes.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: It has been a joint welcome.
Speaker 3: You are so welcome. Thank you for having me again. Goodbye.
Speaker 3: All the best, all the best, as you say when
Speaker 3: you're end a phone.
Speaker 1: Call, all the very best. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: actually fully crying.
Speaker 4: H