WEBVTT - Yvie Jones: SNACKMASTERS - Presenter 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.960 TV Reloaded podcast last week online. Welcome back guys to 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.720 TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris and on this 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.680 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.480 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.880 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.920 casting agents. What's the talent that we see on our screens? 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.239 TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.360 and gives you a better insight into our television industry 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.400 and our streaming services. Today. On the podcast, I have 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.680 one of Australia's most celebrated personalities, ev Jones, who is 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.080 here to talk about Snack Masters Series two, which debuts 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.919 on Channel nine at seven pm this Sunday night. Eve 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.480 started off on Gogglebox Australia but quickly updated our TV 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.720 status with an amazing effort, coming second on I'm a 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.120 Celebrity in twenty nineteen. Since then, we have seen her 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:55.040 pop up on talk shows, award nominated podcasts and radio gigs, 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.160 and last year Channel nine gave her an exciting role 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.640 on Snack Masters, which Audio of course demanded more of. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.520 We will talk about the new series today and I 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.759 will give you some exclusive insights. But I also have 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.160 a surprise for ev in today's episode, which I need 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.280 you to keep in mind as I start the chat. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:17.520 Unbeknownst to my guest, I have Snack Masters executive producer 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:20.959 from Warner Brothers, Caroline Swift, affectionately known as Spence to 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.000 everyone in the industry listening into the chat. Will Evy 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.080 be caught, out, shocked or outraged as I reveal our 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.279 hidden guest, You will just have to wait and see. However, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.399 let's get started with today's episode as I welcome Evie 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.640 Jones back to the podcast TV Reload. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:38.280 The show is. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.120 About food and it's about Australian food. This year, the 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.520 Snackstakes have been raised. It was funny because working on 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.720 goggle Box we never got directed. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.480 Snack Masters set an extraordinary challenge for Australia's top shies. 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.200 She knows that to be a really good producer is 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.640 to make the talent feel confident. You'll be leading on 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.320 all the secrets of how they're really much Thanks to 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:08.640 Snack Detective Evy Jones, one journalist ask are we promoting 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.120 eating junk food? And I said absolutely not. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.840 Yes, Snackmasters start Sunday at seven. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.720 I'm nine. They have made careers on saying I've had 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:20.480 the worst edit. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.400 Hi Ivy Jones, Hi Benjamin Norris. Do you remember the 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.760 last time that I called you mate? When I had 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.480 you on the podcast Get a Mate? 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.760 Did I have a go at you for calling me mate? 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.000 Only because it sounded so ridiculous? 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.200 Like I was, like, you never called me mate. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.080 I'm still struggling though what to say when I start 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.160 the podcast, because you know me, I want to get 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.080 to the juice and I want to get to the 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.520 fun part and saying hello to people. I actually really 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.280 bad it hellos and goodbyes in general. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.920 Oh love that fine, that very fascinating about you, and 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.080 I'll be watching intently from now on, well. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.280 After the therapist I go. Anyway, thank you so much 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.519 for coming on and talking about series two of Snack Masters. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:05.760 Is it good to be back. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.720 It's so good to be back. I'm just so glad 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.960 that we have got a second season. Channel nine are 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.399 doing such a good job in placing their TV shows. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.360 I think that they've realized that there are spaces for 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.480 these shows, not to put them up against other shows 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.960 in prime time, in ratings time, where they're going to 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:28.880 be not watched, but put them in times where it 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.680 really does help, especially around Christmas time. You know, we're 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.119 a food show and we're not competing with other competitive 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.000 food shows, and it really helps you get into that 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.920 Christmas spirit and that holiday g and the show is 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.440 about food and it's about Australian food. So what better 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.960 way to kind of do that cross you know, groceries 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.600 Christmas food eating? Isn't it interesting? I didn't know Tim 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.080 Tams were made that way. So I'm really glad that 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.040 we got that second season and we're having it aired 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.880 at the same time, and I think that, you know, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.760 as season three will pretty much come because of that. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.280 It's a summer series. You know. My favorite thing about 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.760 the show is the nostalgia factor. We go on a 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.080 little journey and go and have a look at snack 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.920 and see how long it's been in our lives for 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.800 and a lot of them are culturally a part of 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.560 Australian history. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.479 Have you watched the episode where Poe and Scott go 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:24.800 back to the eighties. They go to a corner store 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.279 and Paula Duncan is behind the counter. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.000 I haven't seen that yet. I've only watched episode one, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.360 but I'm very excited for that because I'm still living 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:34.360 in the eighties and nineties. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.600 Oh my god, it's so good when you see her, 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.039 she has an age today. And they go past the door, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.799 the glass door as they walk in, and there's an 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.279 old TV week cover because the whole shop's been set 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.320 up as the eighties, and there's an old TV cover 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:51.400 with Paula Duncan on. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.960 It, and she's standing there behind. It's so brilliant. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:58.320 I meant to I must text Spencer go whose idea 0:04:58.480 --> 0:04:59.560 was that it's brilliant? 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.680 You have been lucky enough to see the first few 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.280 episodes of Snack Masters. We'll have to wait until Sunday. 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.599 But what did you think? What have you thought of 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:10.840 yourself on the show? 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.960 I always think there's not enough of me. I'm not 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.880 in it as much as I thought I was going 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.400 to be. I'm so disappointed. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.039 Probably a good time for us to introduce our special 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.080 guest here that's going to. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:32.039 Don't stop it, stomp it. I'm dying. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.839 I'm dead stop it. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:35.479 I know you. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:43.240 Is going on. God, Spence, I didn't mean that. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.039 I'm so like you can say whatever you like. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:53.599 I'm not in it enough. But that's the nature of 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:58.279 the beast, isn't it That you do all these special 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.560 entertaining things and then like nah tim tam slams not 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.840 for us. I know. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.960 That's the thing about the it is, it's the vagaries 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:09.680 of this business. You shoot and shoot and shoot and 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.719 show and so much ends up on the cutting room floor. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:13.599 It kills me as well. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.960 Well, that's good to know. That's good to know at 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.000 least that I bad. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.719 And I think certainly with this show. This show is 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.480 hard to cut, you know. And it's really is. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.960 And it's it's because it's got so many moving parts, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.679 you know, and and it also has like a really 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.520 it's key requirement is clarity, you know, like which which 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.560 making it on track goes to God because it doesn't 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:40.599 speak to clarity. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.760 Yeah, it is a it's a tough one to edit. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:44.480 Let me tell you. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.120 I wanted you to pop in to celebrate Evie Jones 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.200 and the magic of Snack Master Series two. So for 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.240 people listening this is this is a huge cup for 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.039 us to be able to have you here and to 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.719 share some of your thoughts with ev. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.640 Yeah, it's such a great show, and you know, I'm 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.600 so glad that I get to work with you. I've 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.400 worked with you before, and I think there was a 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.200 time you wanted me for Celebrity Apprentice and when I 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.800 said no because it was a lockdown and I was 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.520 having such bad anxiety and mental health and I said 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.040 to my manager, I'm just so worried that if I 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.520 say no, they'll never offer me anything ever again. And 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.560 you personally said to my manager, please let her know 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.560 that we will always, you know, think of her for things, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.280 and not to ever think that way that you know, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.239 saying no to something means the death of your career. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.120 And I always remember that it was a very kind 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.120 thing to hear back to have you know, feedback for 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.120 and I was like, oh few, thank god. And then 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.160 snack Masters go and I'm like, oh my god, perfect. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:42.960 Oh yeah, no. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.119 I think it was one of the joys of actually 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.360 putting together you and Scott and Poe. And I remember 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.600 actually when we kind of did that thing that you 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.760 do up on the you know, you've got people's headshots 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.960 and you're like, you know, what are we gonna do? Yeah, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.960 and then we kind of put I sort of slid 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.360 you three te together and it was like I think 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.200 It's one of the proud as casting kind of pace 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.000 done actually, because I think you all just work like 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.440 you just look right together inside the show to. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:14.320 Get when you cast ev what had you seen in 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.040 our delightful and delicious ev Jones that made her write 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.120 for the show. I mean, they look great together. But 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.520 was there something that you'd seen of her or what 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.160 was she and the zeitgeist for you? 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.720 Well, obviously I was a massive fan of, you know, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.200 couch Time on goggle Box, so you know that was 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.200 that was my sort of first first kind of foray. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:35.800 And actually, this is going to be this is going 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.560 to sound very weird, and Evie, this will sound very 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.479 weird to you. It was actually a pace on Angie's 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.160 bachelorette when you went and visited her when they were 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:46.480 doing nude painting or something. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.640 Do you remember that, Dari God, yeah, there was a 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.720 penis right, I remember it, Yeah, And. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.040 I remember watching that and just. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.920 Going, oh, seeing you in a different sort of environment, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.040 a looser sort of environment, I suppose, Well, not just 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.440 on a couch, I suppose. And I just loved your 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.120 energy and clearly your ability to put people at ease, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:14.840 even when the pizzas were exposed and thought, honestly, you know, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:16.839 someone who can put someone with their penis out of ease, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.679 surely must be able to talk about a tim tam 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.640 in a factory, you know. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:20.600 But actually. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.560 It was actually that scene where I was like, oh, there's. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.560 More to this lady, I think, and and I just 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.320 and your energy is You're one of the very few 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.520 people I think who are beautifully energetic and in the flesh. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.880 But also you can translate it down lens. A lot 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.640 of people like that. That's a really difficult skill. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.760 There is a huge leap between reality TV stars and 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.600 genuine TV personalities, and I always think that, you know, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.760 for TV personalities, there has to be something very genuine 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.040 and authentic, and you have to be very inquisitive as 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.800 a presenter, and I think Evie has that. She sees people. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.320 She is a great listener, she's a great storyteller, but 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.439 she makes people feel like they want to open up. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.280 One of the key things is, and I think this 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.280 is true just to being a human being. I think 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.880 as well is just being constantly curious. And I think 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.880 that is what I think. You know, you bring beautifully 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.000 to this role, but it's also a relatability as well, 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.000 you know what I mean. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.319 Food made on a mass scale is. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.720 Really much more scientific, isn't it ev as opposed to 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.280 it's about science, isn't it really to try and take 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.320 something like that and actually make it relatable. That's for me, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.800 I think, is that it really is your skill there 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.319 in regards to the information that you're getting across. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.400 I mean, the people that I talk to, they take 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.040 their jobs very seriously, which I absolutely love. You know, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.680 they a lot of them they actually have food scientists, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.439 and I think that that is brilliant and hilarious all 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.960 at the same time. And when I talk to them, 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.720 they're so into their jobs, but they're also really into 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.120 just talking, you know, to someone about anything, and they 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.680 so you get this beautiful side of them, and that 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.600 that's what I like about them, because you know, most 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.960 of them work regionally. They're all in like regional towns 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.120 and absolutely love that, you know, we've come out and 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.560 so interested. I say to all of them, do you 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.880 have like tours come through? And have you had any 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.520 other shows you know come in and do you know documentaries? 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:25.880 And they say, no, this is the first time, and 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.280 don't you think that this is fascinating and I'm like, yes, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:34.240 I do. I actually do. They get really chuffed about it. 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.520 Yeah, And I think there's some there is some stuff 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.679 that to be genuinely proud of, like the fourign twenty 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:40.600 pie fight. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.240 Really, what's the biggest bakery in the world, is that right? 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.360 It is the biggest pie bakery in the world. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.760 You know there it is in little old Barnsdale. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:48.719 I know. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.240 And the guy that was Early, he's from Germany and 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.480 he has I loved him so much, like I wanted 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.600 to just hug him to death. He designs part like 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.920 he comes and he's got pie brain and he thinks 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.839 of things and he loves pies and baking so much. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.480 Not on the weekend he does his own like stall. 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.000 And I kept thinking, oh, I wish Poe was here, 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.200 because you know, she does that as well. She loves 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.679 cooking and she does TV shows and all of these things. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.440 But on the weekends she trots off with all of 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.920 her little bakery treats to the Adelaide markets and that's 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.680 a real foody and Early was like that as well. Yeah. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.000 I loved the what That's one of the things I 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.960 really enjoyed about this show very much, is that the 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.000 nerdier and the more eccentric and the more into their 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.160 particular products they are with the people that you talk to, 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:43.880 and then on the judging paddle, the better. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.640 Someone said to me that they assumed that you were 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.320 casting people to play them, So I don't want to 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.240 throw this person under the bus. But I was watching 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.720 the first episode, which will be on Sunday night, and 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.800 I thought it was so funny because they are brilliant 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.120 on this show. I mean, I don't know how you 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.760 get access to go to these places, because that would 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.160 be really hard, but then also to have access to 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.040 the real people and have them want to do it 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.960 is amazing, Like, I don't know how you put that together. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.880 Well, I think it was one of the things that 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.840 when we reached out to, you know, our hit list 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.480 of snacks that we wanted to do. You know, one 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.320 of the kind of key things is that, you know, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.520 you guys need to obviously give us that access to 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.199 your factory for ev to go and visit, and preferably 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:33.080 who Evie has leading her through the detective work. Ideally 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.520 what they also sit on the judging panel as well, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.440 But you need to make four people available to us 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.520 and not all of them can be your advertising and 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.720 marketing people. We don't, in fact, we don't really want 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:45.680 those people want them. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:46.600 We don't. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.160 We don't like seeing it. We don't want them they're 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.680 seeing all the time boring. We want the guts of 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:53.080 it all. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.439 Yeah, they and they. I think also that these people 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.280 don't often get. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:58.640 You know, some of them have ben have they been 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.520 doing it for like work, work, the for thirty years. 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.960 They're part of the family of that of that snack 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.520 they live and breathe. It's actually quite beautiful. The pride 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.600 that they, you know, that they take in it isn't that. 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.920 Absolutely, they're very proud of what they do, and they 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.280 love that we're interested in it because they get it, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.600 and they kind of like, oh you really, you really 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.440 do want to know. I'm going to tell you. I'm 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.480 going to you know. It's my favorite part is the 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.720 bits they can't tell you but they can't help They say, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.040 you promise you won't tell anyone, and I'm like, no, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.120 it won't go to air, and they can't. They just 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.000 can't help themselves. But tell you that little secret ingredient 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.600 and you're like, oh, it's a shame, we can't put 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.680 that to air. And they're like, I know, but really 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.480 you can't bless them. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.960 Spencer is going to say, you know you, it's so 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.680 well known for the shows that you make. You're so busy. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.360 I think you're probably one of the busiest producers in 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.680 the country, and I see your name coming up again 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.960 and again on shows. But what I love about the 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.520 shows you are making is you make the talent look 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.880 really accessible. And I don't know how you do it 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.000 because you when you're watching a show and things, you 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.800 feel included as an audience. And I must admit there's 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.760 so many shows where they don't get it right. But 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.960 I've always wanted to ask you, what's your secret in 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.160 building relationships to get the most out of the people 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:12.920 that you work with. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.040 Thank you. That's very kind of you to say that. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:18.800 I think for me, for an audience to feel engaged, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.320 they need to feel relaxed. And to feel relaxed, you 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.680 need to know that the people who are guiding you 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.120 through the show are confident and know where they're going, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.120 you know, so you don't sit there kind of going, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.400 oh my god, I feel nervous because this show seems 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:34.480 to be drifting and. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:35.440 You know that kind of thing. 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.360 But I think for me, how to do that is 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.680 too often to get out of there, get out of 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.880 your own way, you know what I mean, because a 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.840 lot of people who are out in. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.120 Front of the camera far better than they think they are, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:48.840 you know. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.600 And I think that, you know the For me, it 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:56.920 is just about infusing people with confidence and making them 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.720 believe as much in themselves. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:15:59.760 As I do. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.680 So I think that I think it's that simple, you know, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.840 And being also to being relentlessly collaborative, you know. I 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.760 think that that's the I try and do that with 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.400 all of the guys that I work with, all the 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.560 producers I work with that you know, I don't. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.240 I never claim to have. I don't have all the answers, 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:19.680 and I don't. I don't. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.760 I'm not always right, and in fact, more often than not, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.360 I'm not right. And it's actually being able to trust people. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.840 I think people perform much better when they're trusted, when 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.720 they've been collaborated with, and when they know that that 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.240 the people who are producing them have can play confidence 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:36.760 and yet confidence in them. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:37.120 I think. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:38.480 I genuinely think it's that simple. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.160 The confidence is natural ability, I think, and you know, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.240 that's what I can see in your presenters, there's no 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.040 arrogance to them. Pose of a great example of that. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.440 Evie is a great example of that. You know, there's 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.200 a confidence that's coming across on screen, and I think 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.280 that sometimes can be hard to conjure, you know, when 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.520 there's so much pressure, when there is so much pressure 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.480 on them, especially with Evie, Like you've come from doing 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.119 reality TV and then now you are a fully fledged 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:08.120 TV presenter and doing it brilliantly. I know personally that's 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.840 inside of you, but then to get someone to unearth 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:12.399 that out of you, that's a real skill. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.600 Yeah. And you know what, I can vouch for most 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.160 of the people that I work with in the crew 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.359 as far as producers and directors go, that Spence really 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.679 does make them feel collabed, like they're part of it 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.800 and they really listen to And I've spoken to a 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:31.840 lot of them that would be like, oh, I just 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.119 love her so much, like she's just the best. She's 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.600 the best. And I'm like, yeah, like that's really rare, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:44.120 you know, because everything I did was celebrated, and it 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.399 just makes you want to do more and go better 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.360 and keep doing it because no one's saying, you know, oh, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.800 that's not really working. And you know, it was funny 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:55.080 because working on goggle Box we never got directed and 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.920 it would so fly on the wall. And it works 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.320 really well if you just kind of let let people 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.200 go and do their thing and be who they are, 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.439 and then you edit it really, you know, get it, 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.400 so it's so good. I remember there was we had 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.679 one woman come in one day out of eight seasons 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.960 and she had come from reality TV producing. I think 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.040 she'd done the seven year Switch and that kind of thing, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.399 so back back then, and she we have this god 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.399 mic or god speaker that we called it because we 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.879 were in the room alone, but our crew would be 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.840 in another room all set up with their equipment and 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.840 they'd be watching and listening, and if the producer wanted 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.320 to talk to us, which was very rare because you 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.439 frighten the life out of us. When we'd hear the 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.480 god speakers go on, we're like, oh shit, oh God, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.520 we forget that people are in another room. She kept 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.199 using it and we're like, this is really meir, And 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.160 every time she'd use it, she'd say things like, oh God, 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:57.200 you went on a bit there, or okay, anyway, can 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.320 we continue with the movie. Wow, And Angie and I 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:05.199 that day we shut down. I can still remember we 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.160 were watching Top Gun. We were like, I can remember 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.080 every single thing about that particular shoot. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:11.560 That day. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.159 We shut down so badly that the EP called us 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.920 the next day and said, I've just watched last night. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.800 It's rushes and don't worry, she's never coming back. And 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.520 you know that's not Please don't ever shut down like 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.480