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Speaker 1: On today's show, Lucy Jackson and Nicki Westcott address juicy rumors.

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Speaker 1: Head on. M Davies is set to help budding influences,

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Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp is on the hunt for a new brand manager,

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Speaker 1: and is Shiny Grimman destined to be the next big

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Speaker 1: Mummy blogger. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose

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Speaker 1: of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week.

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torba and Sophie. I saw a TikTok the

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Speaker 1: other day that reminded me of you. So in the US,

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Speaker 1: there is a hotel that is now charging guests one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars if they get any of their

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Speaker 1: makeup on handtoels and having stayed in different places with you,

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Speaker 1: you are guilty of this. I would go bankrupt if

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Speaker 1: I went to this hotel because I literally get foundation

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Speaker 1: over everything all over my house. There's fingerprints on the

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Speaker 1: doors and walls. I'm so annoying. Your steering wheelers caked

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Speaker 1: in makeup as well, and there's like fingerprints where you

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Speaker 1: obviously look at yourself in the mirror as well, and

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Speaker 1: it's just all over the roof of the car. I've

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Speaker 1: always wondered why they make the hand towers and flannels white,

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Speaker 1: like they're just asking for trouble and this hotel. They

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Speaker 1: are pristine white towels, aren't they? Yeah, they are, but

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Speaker 1: surely new face towels don't cost one hundred and fifty dollars,

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Speaker 1: they're like two dollars. Cama. Well, the hotel is actually

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Speaker 1: expecting guests to use this tiny little makeup wipe instead.

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Speaker 1: But if you're a makeup user, normally you'll bring your

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Speaker 1: own form of makeup wipes or my cellar water. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it should be on the hotel to provide makeup.

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Speaker 1: Wise app sometimes if I wash my face and I

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Speaker 1: go on the shower and just wipe my face with

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Speaker 1: the towel, there's still remnants. Well, what about the bedding

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Speaker 1: and pillowcases? Do they have an additional charge? Because this

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Speaker 1: could be a great money making scheme. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they do, but it just reminded me day or thinks

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Speaker 1: I'm a complete weirdo because every time we go on holiday,

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Speaker 1: like when we went to Balley, I bought my pillow

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Speaker 1: case everywhere with me. Because if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: maybe some listeners can help us out do those pillows

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Speaker 1: actually get washed or are you're just sleeping on the

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Speaker 1: same pillow as every other person. Surely the actual pillow

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Speaker 1: doesn't get washed. I've never washed my pillover before. But

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Speaker 1: they don't have normal pillow cases either, Like they don't

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Speaker 1: seem to be like ones that you can take on

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Speaker 1: and off. So for you were going to get done

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Speaker 1: because you've just said you've never washed your pillow before.

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Speaker 1: This is a huge thing on TikTok. Really people have

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Speaker 1: these routines where they wash their pillow. I think it's

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Speaker 1: like every couple of weeks. I think everyone already thinks

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Speaker 1: I'm a pig as to this because I don't wash

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Speaker 1: towels before I use them. I don't wash undies or socks.

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Speaker 1: I just go with it. And you do wash them,

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Speaker 1: but you don't wash them once you've bought them, like

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Speaker 1: I don't wash them before use. Like if I bought

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Speaker 1: a toow, I'm not going to put it in the wash.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to assume it's clean. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's a bad idea because we had so many people

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Speaker 1: riding in saying a year for real, like these are

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Speaker 1: in dirty factories. They're being shipped all over it does

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Speaker 1: make sense, but I would never wash like an item

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Speaker 1: of clothing before wearing us. It's got my partner so

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Speaker 1: over the top. He is one of those people that

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Speaker 1: everything must be washed. And I just kind of roll

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Speaker 1: my eyes and be like, just it's fine. Live a little.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. Remember during the pandemic when people Peo would

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Speaker 1: spray their groceries with like Glenn twenty and leave them.

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Speaker 1: That was him. That was him.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I am so beyond so tired, Like it's so

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Speaker 2: fucking hard packing boxes and crap.

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Speaker 1: Chloe zep is on the hunt for a new personal

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Speaker 1: brand manager, but instead of going down the traditional route

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Speaker 1: of hiring a recruiting agency or putting an ad on seat,

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Speaker 1: she decided to reach out to her followers now. She

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Speaker 1: shared the ad on her Instagram story, which said I'm hiring,

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Speaker 1: and in the job description, she said she's looking for

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Speaker 1: someone to negotiate brand collaborations, to seek strict alignment in

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Speaker 1: to be able to brainstorm and workshop projects together. The

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Speaker 1: list went on. She also said that she wants a

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Speaker 1: go getter with a growth mindset and a high achiever personality.

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Speaker 1: And she asked her followers to reach out via her

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Speaker 1: director email. It's interesting she's looking for someone to actually

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Speaker 1: big plans to bring back her social media profile. I

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Speaker 1: can see why a lot of influencers are advertising to

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Speaker 1: want a fan. And this isn't a new thing. I've

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Speaker 1: seen so many influencers put call outs for employees on

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Speaker 1: Kayla Estinas advertising for a nanny. Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's awkward to see the job description later in this

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Speaker 1: to me, the beauty of a successful influencer is that

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Speaker 1: they make you feel like there's no strategy or tactics involved.

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Speaker 1: And that's working in the background because you want to

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Speaker 1: buy into their life because you can relate to them

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Speaker 1: and you feel like your friends. But when we're being

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Speaker 1: told that, oh, I'm getting someone to outline all these

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Speaker 1: I just it doesn't come across as organic. It just

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Speaker 1: comes across as strategic and tactical. It is a weird

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Speaker 1: place when you put it like that to advertise. It's like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: does anyone know someone that can help me improve my

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Speaker 1: But then she's doing the complete opposite because it's making

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Speaker 1: her audience more aware that it is an AD and

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Speaker 1: their strategy and seems a bit unprofessional, doesn't it in

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Speaker 1: a way, Because as you said, Sophie, she's talking to

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Speaker 1: this audience directly that she's wanting to monetize, but then

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Speaker 1: It's so odd. But the other thing I think is

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Speaker 1: surely she's been in this industry long enough to know

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Speaker 1: which agencies are good and which are bad. Because it

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Speaker 1: just seems like she's wanting to find a fan who

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Speaker 1: perhaps hero worships her and they'll be open to taking

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Speaker 1: that she's willing to work on her personal brand, because

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Speaker 1: And you can see that she has been shying away

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Speaker 1: from sharing things. I know Mitch her boyfriend is always

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Speaker 1: and I do think that we may see chloees that

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Speaker 1: really move into that mummy vlogging space. She has danced

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Speaker 1: see that wellness side come out even more. It also

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Speaker 1: shows that there are new demands on influences the fact

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Speaker 1: that she's saying she's looking for a content creator. In

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Speaker 1: order to up your game and be relevant on social media,

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Speaker 1: you need to be by into the reels and the

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Speaker 1: TikTok videos, and her TikTok account has laid dormant for

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Speaker 1: I haven't really seen her working with many brands. Eve.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is showing a bit of a

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Speaker 1: divide between the older gen Zetters who are really on

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Speaker 1: when you think about Chloe zep I think she is

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Speaker 1: down to the fact that she's a busy mum with

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Speaker 1: it quite ironic that Mitch has been selling his services

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Speaker 4: The last one last cab off the rank is obviously

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Speaker 4: I think it was around the end of last year,

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Speaker 4: but an old friend of ours essentially came online and

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Speaker 1: After a three month hiatus, Lucy Jackson and Nicki Westcott

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Speaker 1: addressing rumors head on. I thoroughly enjoyed this segment and

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Speaker 1: kudos to them for actually tackling all of these rumors

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Speaker 1: production team, Spin Studio. So for some background, it was

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Speaker 1: it sounds like Lucy and Nicky were headhunted by Listener,

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Speaker 1: and after their first episode dropped, Lucy and Nicky announced

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Speaker 1: that they will have their own radio show on Saturday

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Speaker 1: nights called Lucy and Nicky, which will air on the

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Speaker 1: I find that an interesting move because Abby Chatfield recently

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Speaker 1: be on there now. The women did confirm that they

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Speaker 1: also shut down rumors that their Brown Jagger and Stone

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Speaker 1: was going broke. Yeah, so those rumors were circulating on

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Speaker 1: Influencer Watchdog type accounts. In fact, Nicki said that the

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Speaker 1: brand had had its strongest January since launching. They did, however,

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Speaker 1: tough year for all E com brands, just like Jagger

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Speaker 1: and Stone, and it actually made them better business women

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Speaker 1: going through that sort of struggle. They also said they've

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Speaker 1: implemented a GM so they can focus on these new

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Speaker 1: opportunities that have popped up. That's a side note. Does

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Speaker 1: Lucy remind anyone of Georgia h or Love Island? I

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Speaker 1: feel like they look really similar and they've got the

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Speaker 1: And if you take a look at her YouTube, she

433
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Speaker 1: hasn't posted for a year and last year she only

434
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Speaker 1: posted two videos, but she is still very active on

435
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: TikTok so she posts a lot of vlogs and makeup tutorials,

436
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 1: but she does take her followers behind the scenes of

437
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: a swimwear brand, which, as you guys have touched on.

438
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Speaker 1: I think people actually find it quite interesting to see

439
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: what she does day to day. She still has four

440
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty three thousand followers on there, so she's

441
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Speaker 1: not a micro influencer. She still does have an influence

442
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: that is a pretty big following to have on TikTok

443
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of influencers who are big

444
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: on Instagram, say Steph kles Smith and Sarah's Day, who

445
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: struggle to attract the same following across on TikTok. I

446
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 1: find it so strange that she's only twenty six because

447
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: it seems like she's been around forever. I found it

448
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: interesting to see some of her followers' reactions to this

449
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: video because they were saying, we love you, Shanny. I

450
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: followed you since you were seventeen. You're such an amazing

451
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: example these days, and there's so many people saying you

452
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: were so iconic, and I think that they just want

453
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: her to make a full comeback to YouTube. I think

454
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Speaker 1: in order to make a comeback, though, she does need

455
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Speaker 1: to rebrand, so it makes sense that people want to

456
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: see her as a mummy blogger, a bit like we've

457
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: seen with her old friend Michael Finch. He was massive

458
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: in the beauty world and now he's reinvented himself into

459
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: this TikTok chef and everyone loves it. So I do

460
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 1: think she has to do something big and different than

461
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Speaker 1: she's doing.

462
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Speaker 3: Now, ready with me while we talk about how I

463
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Speaker 3: became a full time influencer.

464
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Speaker 1: Perth influencer m Davies has revealed she's set to launch

465
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Speaker 1: a business which will help budding influencers get into the

466
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Speaker 1: industry now. During a TikTok video, she took a look

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Speaker 1: back at her decade long influencing career and she opened

468
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Speaker 1: up about her breakthrough moment online. Before we get into

469
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Speaker 1: that moment, have you guys been following her for a decade.

470
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Speaker 1: I haven't been following her for a decade, but I

471
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Speaker 1: do remember watching her stuff, probably maybe seven or eight

472
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Speaker 1: years ago, and it was when she had that boyfriend,

473
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Speaker 1: Jake Saunders, and I remember she was very into fashion

474
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Speaker 1: and I had to laugh because she had this chair

475
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: and it kind of looked like an old style deck chair,

476
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: but I think it was worth three k Are they

477
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: those very clinical looking chairs? Yeah? Ugly like they'd be

478
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable to sit on.

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Speaker 3: See.

480
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Speaker 1: I didn't really follow her until recently. I've been getting

481
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: into her wedding content, but I feel like her name

482
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: just popped up everywhere. I knew she was into fashion,

483
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: But what was her big breakout moment on Instagram. Well,

484
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: she really made a name for herself with her festival looks.

485
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Speaker 1: And it blows my mind because she said that by

486
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, she was starting to snag influencer work, and

487
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: that's because brands started noticing that she was creating these

488
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: really out their outfits so fast fashion brands like Princess

489
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: Polly started inviting her on big influencer trips and that's

490
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: when influencer trips really started. So she was sent to

491
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Speaker 1: Coachella when some of her outfits just like from stuff

492
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: she'd gone down and got it, Bunnings like chains and

493
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: being really out there. Yeah, her fashion sense has definitely evolved.

494
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Speaker 1: She did cop a lot of online hate and trolling

495
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: at the time for some of the outfits, but she

496
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Speaker 1: said she doesn't regret her choices because she said she

497
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the position that she's in because it

498
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: really did grow her following. It is clear that em

499
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: doesn't want her audience to think it all came to

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00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: her easily, because she did point out that she has

501
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: spent the past ten years, every single week taking content

502
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: of herself. Now, I know a lot of us turn

503
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: our noses up at that, but if anyone has tried

504
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: to shoot content, it actually is very difficult. I'm not

505
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: sure if she was trying to take a potshot at

506
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: anyone during this, but she said that she thinks that

507
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: there is a big difference between creators who actually enjoy

508
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: what they're doing and people who don't, and it comes

509
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: through in their content. Oh, it definitely does come through.

510
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: Particularly like a bunch of influencers I follow, they use

511
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: the same formula every time to introduce that they're doing

512
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: an ad, particularly say Tammy Hembro. I'm always like, oh,

513
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: she's talking on her stories. And then I was like,

514
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: hang on a bet, if I click next, it's going

515
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: to have a you know, tag at Saskia or tag

516
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: at AD And I'm like, ah, that's why they're here.

517
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: Whereas m Davies, to her credit, does seem to actually

518
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 1: create a lot of organic content, yeah, mixed amongst the ad. Well,

519
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: that's what she said in this video okay, that she

520
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: actually creates valuable content amongst the ads that she puts

521
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: out there, if we remember a couple of weeks ago.

522
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: Even if ads do generate a lot of interest, because

523
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: remember she created that video about her best friend's engagement ring,

524
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: and that went off like that was for a good reason,

525
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I would praise that one as

526
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: great strategy. I don't think she meant for that to happen. Now,

527
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: after giving a lot of pearls of wisdom about how

528
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Speaker 1: she cracked into the influencer market, she said this.

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Speaker 3: And then went on to make multiple businesses and grow

530
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Speaker 3: from there, which has taught me so fucking much. And

531
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Speaker 3: I've actually been working on something probably for.

532
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Speaker 2: Almost two years now where I.

533
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 3: Don't want to give too much away, but I'm going

534
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Speaker 3: to help a lot of people sort of get into

535
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Speaker 3: this industry.

536
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: I guess that's the goal.

537
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Speaker 3: And I just know that I love helping people, and

538
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: there's so many things that I want to do, but

539
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: this is one thing that I've been set on waiting

540
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: to do for a really long time, and I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: It's just taking a long time and a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: She finished up by saying that she knows she's done

543
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: a lot of dumb shit on social media, but that's

544
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: just her and that everyone fucks up and makes mistakes. Now,

545
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: this whole video really did seem like a bit of

546
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: an ad for her new business, which is ironic because

547
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: she's saying, I create all this organic content, but this

548
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: is also an ad. Yeah, she hasn't actually specified what

549
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: this business is actually going to be. But it's interesting

550
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: to take a look back at some of her business

551
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: decisions from last year, because she did pause her fashion brand, Venom,

552
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: and that was to concentrate on other business ventures. And

553
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: she said it was a hard decision as the label

554
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: was still performing really well financially, but her intuition told

555
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: her to move on and do something that excites her.

556
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Speaker 1: Do we think that's true, Because when we spoke about

557
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Speaker 1: how Lucy and Nicky, while they said they had a

558
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Speaker 1: great January this year, they did acknowledge that e comm

559
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: brands were really struggling. So, I mean, I'm not trying

560
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: to put words into her mouth and say that what

561
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: she said isn't true, But sometimes I think you have

562
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: to take those sorts of things with a picture soul

563
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: from a brand perspective, you're hardly going to be putting

564
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: it out there that your business struggle because doing it.

565
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: If we're trying to resell the business as well, it's

566
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: the same argument that we had when Sarah's Day shut

567
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: her sonny app down. Well, if it was doing so well,

568
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you sell it? Well. A couple of months before,

569
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: she opened up a new photographics studio in a really

570
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: cool part of Perth called Osborne Park, which is really

571
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: industrial and the business offers influencers, videographers and e commerce

572
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: creators a studio to create content in. Well, it sounds

573
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: like this new business that she is teasing is something

574
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: to do with that, because I wouldn't be surprised if

575
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Speaker 1: she's setting up her own influencer agency, particularly because she's

576
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: friends with so many influencers she would immediately get them

577
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: on her books. Yeah, I don't think it's an agency.

578
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: I actually think she might be creating influencer workshops because

579
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: in her video she said that she wants to help

580
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: budding influences, so it's people who potentially don't yet have

581
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: a following, and she seemed to be handing out a

582
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: lot of advice on how to actually grow or following

583
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be for people who already have one.

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00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: I would be so interested to attend this workshop just

585
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: from perspective to see what these people say, because again,

586
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: while I am not trying to take away the fact

587
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: that she has been constantly creating content and that she

588
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: managed to break into the industry when it really wasn't

589
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: an industry, I do again wonder how beneficial those tips

590
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: are for other people, particularly how saturated the influencer industry

591
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: is at the moment. She did touch on how oversaturated

592
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: it is, and that's why she thinks as important to

593
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: hold these classes. I actually do think with the way

594
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: that the industry has changed now there's so much more

595
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: focus on video content that people actually do need to

596
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: be trained in it because before it was just taking

597
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: hot photos of yourself. Now they need to be taught editing,

598
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: how to deal with brands. I actually think it's a

599
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: great business idea because the job of an influencer is

600
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: desired by so many young people. Yeah. I know we

601
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: want to talk about football right now, but as I

602
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: look at Travis Kelsey and Taylor, if you're talking about

603
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: the relationship all year long, that right there especially, we

604
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: can't close Today's show off without talking about Taylor Swift.

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00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: At the time you're listening to this, we are most

606
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: likely on our road trip to Melbourne. I am so

607
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: excited and I feel like this week has just been

608
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: absolutely perfect leading into the concert. You couldn't write the

609
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: script for this, the Chiefs winning the super Bowl, all

610
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: of the content that has come out with Taylor and

611
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: Travis celebrating. I can't get over that video that is

612
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: going viral though, of Travis Kelcey singing Viva Las Vegas.

613
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: It's so funny because one content creator said, we were

614
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: promised a proposal and this is what we got. I

615
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: think we need to throw to the clip in case

616
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: some listeners haven't heard it.

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Speaker 3: Ze's good.

618
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Speaker 1: The audio of this clip doesn't do it justice because

619
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Speaker 1: you need to see the look that Taylor Swift gives

620
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: the camera perfectly pants on her in the moment where

621
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: she is getting the ick. I got the ick from it. Yeah.

622
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Is it wrong that I almost do want them to

623
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: break up at some stage just so we can hear

624
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: what she really thought about that space? Yeah. I feel

625
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: like some reference to Viva Las Vegas will be in

626
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Speaker 1: a breakup song if they do break up. I don't

627
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: want them to break up. I think it's important that

628
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: we remember the Travis Kelsey has probably been very intoxicated

629
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Speaker 1: for the last couple of times. But when he got

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Speaker 1: up on stage and said that, though, that was right

631
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: after the game. Yeah, but you've got to remember he

632
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 1: had a lot of endorphins going through his body. I'm

633
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Speaker 1: trying to give him the benefit of that. This is

634
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: the first time the Swifties have got the ick, though,

635
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: and they're getting it hard. It wasn't only the fact

636
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: that he came up on stage and sung that bit.

637
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: It was also that he abused his coach and was

638
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: acting like a real dickhead. And I have heard that

639
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: that's you usually how he acts. Well, that was how

640
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: he acted before he want Taylor. He's got whiteline fever.

641
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you can judge someone how they act

642
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: on the pitch. I mean, your boyfriend. He's a very

643
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: nice person. You wouldn't think that he would act the

644
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: way he does on a netbook. That's a very good point.

645
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I think we've romanticized him a bit too much on TikTok,

646
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: But to be fair, the clips from his podcast he

647
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: does come across really well on there, so I'm just

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Speaker 1: putting it down to the fact that he won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He's acting like a dickhead athlete. I still

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Speaker 1: very much ship this relationship, and I really hope that

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Speaker 1: he is in Melbourne this weekend supporting Taylor. Because we've

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Speaker 1: seen her in the crowd supporting him, I would like

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Speaker 1: to see the same in Melbourne. It was interesting to

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Speaker 1: see her playing the role of the supporting person because

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Speaker 1: she did recently win a Grammy. Sadly Travis wasn't at

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Speaker 1: that ceremony, but it was weird to see her being

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Speaker 1: the cool girl that's standing looking on I really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this clip where it showed what a nice persons she

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Speaker 1: is because Travis was heading over to his family and

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Speaker 1: rather than stepping in and embracing him, she stepped back

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Speaker 1: so he could hug his mum. I mean that says

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Speaker 1: a lot about her. I have so much respect for her,

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Speaker 1: particularly also because it wouldn't be easy for her to

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Speaker 1: stand in the crowd because everyone's eyes were on her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love seeing her chug a beer, but

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Speaker 1: you would wonder how performative you should be, and it

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Speaker 1: would be hard knowing that everyone's watching your reaction. How

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Speaker 1: fucking funny was Blake Lively's reaction to some of those moments.

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Speaker 1: They were just memes asking to happen. Did anyone see

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Speaker 1: Taylor's TikTok, which showed her parents at the nightclub where

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Speaker 1: they were all celebrating the Super Bowl? Oh, and she said,

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Speaker 1: when you're told that is just something to invite family

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Speaker 1: and friends who, like she thought, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: more low key. And I really related to her because

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but my partner never

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Speaker 1: tells me the tone of an event, like I never

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Speaker 1: know what to wear. I never know what's really happening,

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Speaker 1: only find out the day four that it's happening. Her

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Speaker 1: parents look so cute because they're just sitting in this

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Speaker 1: booth and looking so uncomfortable because obviously there was really

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Speaker 1: loud music blaring. Well, Taylor's songs were blaring, remixed versions

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Speaker 1: of them were blaring, and I couldn't imagine how awkward

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Speaker 1: it would be for your own song to be playing

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Speaker 1: in that situation. It seemed to mind she was really

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Speaker 1: playing it up and dancing with him, But I think

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Speaker 1: maybe she knew everyone's watching, so she had to. I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's so many men turning on her being like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's arrogant. Look at her singing along to her song.

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Speaker 1: It's like what they're supposed to do. She's having a

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Speaker 1: bit of fun with it. Oh well, all the brads

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Speaker 1: and chads can shut the fuck up. Really well, I

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Speaker 1: think that's all we've got time for today. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: listening to another episode of Outspoken. If you are going

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Speaker 1: to the eras to her, I hope you have an

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Speaker 1: amazing time. I cannot wait. This podcast was recorded on

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Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.

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Speaker 1: We pay respect to Elder's past and present