WEBVTT - BONUS: No One Dies At Disney with Scott Williams

0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another crime podcast.

0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm Georgia Love, I'm Sammy Peterson.

0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm a journalist.

0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.240
<v Speaker 3>I am not.

0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Please let her speak. We have a guest today who

0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I think we can officially call the official third host

0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.680
<v Speaker 1>of this podcast. We have the wonderful will Patterson slash

0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Scott Williams back for a fourth episode.

0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:35.199
<v Speaker 3>We're all dead siding.

0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:35.839
<v Speaker 4>You can't see what.

0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:41.120
<v Speaker 1>We have loved having you as a guest on our

0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast so much, and the listeners have loved it so much.

0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.519
<v Speaker 1>We've just got your back so we can sit back

0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:47.760
<v Speaker 1>on the.

0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Couch and you guys have got me obsessed with crime

0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.519
<v Speaker 3>like great. I just see things and I'm like, oh

0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.080
<v Speaker 3>my god, I can write that story and tell it

0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.000
<v Speaker 3>to I'm so glad.

0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.040
<v Speaker 1>This is great for us. When we committed to two

0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.279
<v Speaker 1>episodes a week I first started these, let's just say

0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I have deep regrets.

0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:05.959
<v Speaker 4>Episode per week is rough.

0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot. So getting to sit back and have

0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.000
<v Speaker 1>not just a story told to us, but wonderfully and

0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.880
<v Speaker 1>getting to catch up with a good friend is beautiful.

0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.160
<v Speaker 1>We're very very happy to have you back.

0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Tell us about your week, Scott.

0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh look, I was going to tell you I had

0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:25.080
<v Speaker 3>a good weeks, but I haven't. So this week Julia

0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:29.800
<v Speaker 3>said the most hurtful thing to me. Oh no, she's

0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.959
<v Speaker 3>sitting out here that I've ever had said in a relationship.

0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I wouldn't tell you about it. So

0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.560
<v Speaker 3>yesterday she was making omelet. I was in charge of

0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.280
<v Speaker 3>the toast.

0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.360
<v Speaker 1>You're right, I'd be off. That wasn't it.

0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:42.040
<v Speaker 3>That wasn't it.

0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.560
<v Speaker 4>So she's out this.

0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she wants you to tell everyone how good?

0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Was excellent?

0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Good?

0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.040
<v Speaker 3>So then I get the taste about it, and I'm like,

0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:53.600
<v Speaker 3>you want to taste?

0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:54.080
<v Speaker 4>Yep?

0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:55.840
<v Speaker 3>I want some taste. I'm like, do you want to cut?

0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:56.160
<v Speaker 4>Yep?

0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:01.360
<v Speaker 3>And I said triangles are squares? And she said it

0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.240
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter.

0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.400
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't it.

0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter whoa How can you be married to someone

0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:10.720
<v Speaker 3>for so long?

0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:11.359
<v Speaker 1>This is.

0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:14.040
<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't matter.

0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:15.160
<v Speaker 4>This is on you.

0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:15.880
<v Speaker 1>You married her.

0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:17.959
<v Speaker 3>I know that, and I'm not getting out of it now.

0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:19.079
<v Speaker 3>Like I know that as well.

0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Too expensive.

0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:23.480
<v Speaker 4>The only reason it's too expensive.

0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.000
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff. But if you had to

0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:30.160
<v Speaker 1>give her half the stuff, would you divide it in triangles?

0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:31.880
<v Speaker 2>The most important question you have to ask.

0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.480
<v Speaker 4>That's what a lawyer would say, as well, quest.

0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Does you might have an opinion?

0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.400
<v Speaker 1>It matters, and what's your opinion?

0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Triangles? Of course you get more triangles.

0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.280
<v Speaker 1>You get more, You get more toast, don't you You

0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.919
<v Speaker 1>get more toast. I don't understand the science.

0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.519
<v Speaker 3>But you do, you do?

0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.679
<v Speaker 1>I think Itamy doesn't have an opinion.

0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.280
<v Speaker 2>You'll be very I don't have an opinion on it.

0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.079
<v Speaker 5>But but yeah, I'm with Julia.

0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm with Julia and you tour together on this.

0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Dix has heard that was talking about food and

0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:00.639
<v Speaker 1>meaning to him.

0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.600
<v Speaker 3>It's extremely close to you.

0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.040
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, he's a close talk for sure. That's

0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.120
<v Speaker 4>one thing of that bread.

0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.120
<v Speaker 3>So up until that happened, I haven't got weak like

0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.080
<v Speaker 3>I got. I got a new wallet and I'm loving

0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.040
<v Speaker 3>myself sick.

0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Triangle.

0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.440
<v Speaker 3>It's a triangle. It's not it's cool to redge. Oh

0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.680
<v Speaker 3>that's a cool if you want reach to sponsor the podcast. Yeah,

0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:24.400
<v Speaker 3>it's a cool wallet.

0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I haven't yet, so we'll bleep the name of that.

0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.680
<v Speaker 4>Say anything that is cool. The gurl wallet.

0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.480
<v Speaker 1>My wallet has Diamondi's all over it, and it says

0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.240
<v Speaker 1>you can't afford me. And when I bought when I

0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.080
<v Speaker 1>bought it, and I showed my friend. He said, I

0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.960
<v Speaker 1>think that should say I can't afford me.

0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.560
<v Speaker 5>I just wrapped my money in toast.

0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm really sorry about.

0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.200
<v Speaker 4>Your I'm really sorry.

0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I sorry to hear that.

0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.000
<v Speaker 3>That's going to be She'll be happy. She was happy

0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:01.880
<v Speaker 3>before she met me. She from she can survive me.

0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I told you that the first time we got to

0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:03.680
<v Speaker 3>do that.

0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.200
<v Speaker 4>Actually, we were talking before we started recording.

0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.360
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about it. We're having a lovely glass

0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:09.760
<v Speaker 2>of wine and we're talking about our divorce.

0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.800
<v Speaker 5>And when we did say something about divorce and you

0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.880
<v Speaker 5>might get divorced after this, Julie did clap.

0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:20.559
<v Speaker 4>So it's come up for quite a few times.

0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my dear, it's fun to be hard broken.

0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we laugh.

0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.960
<v Speaker 3>So I've bought a more fun story for the Thursday

0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.400
<v Speaker 3>treat divorce.

0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:35.760
<v Speaker 4>Yay.

0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.039
<v Speaker 3>But before we tell the story that, I want to

0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.560
<v Speaker 3>tell you about something that happened to me. Okay, So

0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:41.960
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and one, I went on a trip

0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.080
<v Speaker 3>to Japan, cool man and my world looked very different

0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.640
<v Speaker 3>back then. CJ. My son had just turned.

0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:52.680
<v Speaker 4>Six judgmental glasses judgment classes.

0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.360
<v Speaker 3>Had just turned six in his mum, and I was

0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.920
<v Speaker 3>still married and I was fat. So I was over

0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.800
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and thirty kilos so I was fat, fat,

0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.640
<v Speaker 3>ok I was quite fat. So the first thing that

0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.440
<v Speaker 3>happened to us when on this trip to Sydney was

0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.280
<v Speaker 3>there was a terrible storm in Sydney. So we went

0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Melbourn to Sydney. Then Sydney is Japan. The storm delayed

0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.320
<v Speaker 3>our flight and then it was about two hours we

0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.480
<v Speaker 3>boarded the plane and when the pilot came on over

0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the intercom to do is normal thing, he said, ladies

0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.240
<v Speaker 3>and gentlemen, we apologize for the delay.

0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.000
<v Speaker 4>You did like that bit of the storm.

0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.760
<v Speaker 3>We apologize for the delay. We need to make you

0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.719
<v Speaker 3>aware that because of the storm risk, we were not

0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.880
<v Speaker 3>allowed to have ground staff working on our aircraft. This

0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.520
<v Speaker 3>means we are flying with no luggage aboard. Your luggage

0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.920
<v Speaker 3>will be distributed between the next three flights of Tokyo

0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.400
<v Speaker 3>and the airline will be in touch to deliver it.

0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:44.800
<v Speaker 2>When they.

0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.040
<v Speaker 4>Just dropped out the bottom of the I.

0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Would have become a Karen faster than you can say Karen, Karen.

0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.840
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like right, I try and make a mental

0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:01.880
<v Speaker 3>note of everything in might carry on, and we decided

0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:03.560
<v Speaker 3>that my carry on with the one. They have most

0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.080
<v Speaker 3>of CJ's stuff in it, you know, some spare clothes, sure, kid,

0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.760
<v Speaker 3>because whatever. And so we landed in Japan in winter

0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.039
<v Speaker 3>with the clothes on her back and it was and

0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.680
<v Speaker 3>some kids stuff and some kids stuff and where we

0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.680
<v Speaker 3>were going first with Disneyland, so it was hilarious. So

0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:26.000
<v Speaker 3>CJ's mum only had ballet flats, so not suitable for

0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.400
<v Speaker 3>six degrees where they're walking around Disneyland.

0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.960
<v Speaker 2>So she's landing on to a lot of Yeah, but

0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:31.599
<v Speaker 2>that's what you were in.

0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:42.040
<v Speaker 3>It's not like tap shoes everywhere I go. You listen,

0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.320
<v Speaker 3>I met your mom at your show and I came

0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.279
<v Speaker 3>to your show. Yeah, yeah, and she was great. She

0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.480
<v Speaker 3>was one of the best hecklers of the night and

0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I me, Yeah, we chatted about tap a little bit.

0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:55.400
<v Speaker 3>It was great.

0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.080
<v Speaker 2>She's actually starting to tap down.

0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:57.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.400
<v Speaker 3>She tried it on the wood on the Mason up

0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.880
<v Speaker 3>just as you were going out, as you're going down

0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the stairs. She tried it out with us. It was

0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:04.160
<v Speaker 3>really good.

0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:05.840
<v Speaker 4>She has a lot of fun.

0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.320
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, c j's mum had unsuitable shoes and she

0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:14.000
<v Speaker 3>had to shop four shoes in Disneyland. So she ended

0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.320
<v Speaker 3>up with shoes that looked like New Balance and Mini

0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Mouse had a baby. But my problem was jocks. So

0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.360
<v Speaker 3>I have to tell you it is not easy to

0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:26.720
<v Speaker 3>buy jocks at Disneyland.

0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.080
<v Speaker 4>Sure I ever thought about that. Not easy?

0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:32.880
<v Speaker 3>So at the end of the day on Main Street

0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:37.240
<v Speaker 3>there's this little Western themed store and they had Western

0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:42.120
<v Speaker 3>themed Mickey Mouse jobs. Sure, right, so I bought a pair.

0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.880
<v Speaker 3>And then the next day I found out that an

0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:52.480
<v Speaker 3>extra large in Japan is not the same as an extra.

0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:59.840
<v Speaker 5>Large in Australia, right, So next day called just the crime.

0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the next day I'm shoehorned into these tiny

0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.440
<v Speaker 3>box which were color free printed with like holsters and chaps, right,

0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.120
<v Speaker 3>and we head back into the wonderful word of Disney.

0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.400
<v Speaker 3>So then's Mum and I having this whole conversation because

0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.600
<v Speaker 3>of the little under as I as I jemmy myself

0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.080
<v Speaker 3>into another stupid ride where stupid music plays and little

0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Bear sing to how dare you I don't like Disneyland

0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:26.800
<v Speaker 3>happiest place on Earth?

0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.360
<v Speaker 1>All right? It turns out third time as the chart.

0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.280
<v Speaker 3>My theory, it's a giant human trap run by a mouse.

0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh problem is it's just not for me. That's all right.

0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:42.800
<v Speaker 1>It is the happiest place on Earth.

0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:48.240
<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about that foreshadowing. So I suggested

0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.800
<v Speaker 3>to C's mum that there's no way that these rides

0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.880
<v Speaker 3>are the same size in the US as they are

0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Japan because I was fat, but I wasn't US fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.320
<v Speaker 3>there's no way. Right, I'm not America fat. And then

0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.640
<v Speaker 3>we get to Space Mountain. Space Mountain is the ride

0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.520
<v Speaker 3>that CJ's munt really wanted to go on with him

0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.280
<v Speaker 3>because it's the one she remembers as a kid. She's

0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.520
<v Speaker 3>super excited. We bought express tickets for this ride. So

0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.439
<v Speaker 3>he's standing in this very short queue and I see

0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.000
<v Speaker 3>a Disney employee walking towards us. She's dressed in a

0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Disney kimono and Mickey Mouse's ears, and she just has

0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:20.520
<v Speaker 3>this look of dread on her face.

0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.160
<v Speaker 4>You would be if wearing that.

0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So she shovels up, shuffles up to me in

0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.640
<v Speaker 3>that little kimono walk that they have to do because

0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.520
<v Speaker 3>of the uniform. She stops in front of me and

0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.240
<v Speaker 3>does this short little bow and then we just look

0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.680
<v Speaker 3>at each other from a moment, and this look of

0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.160
<v Speaker 3>despair acrosses her face, right, because she's trying to approach

0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.920
<v Speaker 3>what she has to say, and she obviously didn't have

0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of English, and she obviously wasn't in the

0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.400
<v Speaker 3>happiest place on earth at this moment.

0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.079
<v Speaker 2>She said, why are you only wearing underwear?

0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.760
<v Speaker 3>What she did was she waved her hand up and

0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.440
<v Speaker 3>down at me like Stoic does to his son in

0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.560
<v Speaker 3>How to Change the Dragon, and just goes too big,

0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:05.559
<v Speaker 3>too big, too big right? So c J and his

0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.800
<v Speaker 3>mum burst out laughing, right, which seems to relax this

0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.800
<v Speaker 3>poor woman. And then she and I have a conversation

0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.880
<v Speaker 3>in English where I'm sure I sound like a caveman, right,

0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:16.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm like me too big, and she nods at me.

0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm like too big, No, ride right, and she like

0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.160
<v Speaker 3>shakes her head, and I went me ride right. And

0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.320
<v Speaker 3>then she shook her head and she goes, no, you

0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.960
<v Speaker 3>come right. So we turn and we start walking towards

0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:35.800
<v Speaker 3>the entrance to the ride. My family completely delighted. She

0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.560
<v Speaker 3>walks us past the entrance to the ride to her

0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.719
<v Speaker 3>door that says astronauts only, and behind the door there's

0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:42.760
<v Speaker 3>a maintenance room. In the center there's a carriage from

0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Space mountain right, and she says, you sit. So I

0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.160
<v Speaker 3>go and sit in it and she says, now close, right,

0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.000
<v Speaker 3>And so I understand the assignment. I'm like, I have

0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:54.440
<v Speaker 3>to show her I can close the safety bar so

0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.160
<v Speaker 3>that I can fit on the Space Mountain, right. So

0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I pull it down and it clicks into space in

0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:03.080
<v Speaker 3>place Cli space. She immediately jumps up and down like

0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.640
<v Speaker 3>this and she goes, you're not too big. So then

0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.079
<v Speaker 3>so then me and my family and my tiny underpants

0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.680
<v Speaker 3>got to go on Space Mountain.

0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why you it squeezed youwy.

0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maybe, of course exactly.

0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.240
<v Speaker 3>So why did I tell you that all of that?

0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.000
<v Speaker 3>So today that's that's because today's story is about the

0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.160
<v Speaker 3>self proclaimed happiest place Disney. No.

0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.959
<v Speaker 1>I think I have to leave the record Disneyland for me.

0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.320
<v Speaker 3>We're going to explore deaths at Disney.

0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.760
<v Speaker 3>We're going to investigate the urban myth that no one

0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:42.480
<v Speaker 3>has ever died at Disneyland, and that rumor persists to

0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.400
<v Speaker 3>this day. And we're going to examine the only murder

0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.960
<v Speaker 3>which has ever taken place on Disney property.

0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I hate it. I have you ever okay,

0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:55.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean, have you ever been to Disney I have

0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.840
<v Speaker 1>not been to Disneyland. Okay, well you can't comment.

0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:00.040
<v Speaker 3>I haven't gone.

0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Voter, then you can't comment.

0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.720
<v Speaker 4>Shut up, get out.

0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.440
<v Speaker 3>This is Mine and George's podcast. Now I've done it

0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:19.120
<v Speaker 3>four times.

0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:30.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm the host. Now I am the captain. Now that's great.

0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I love Disneyland. I love it. I love it. And

0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I had a very dramatic experience at Disneyland in Paris

0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.560
<v Speaker 1>where you brought up Space Mountain. That was the one

0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.720
<v Speaker 1>ride that I wanted to go on more than anything else,

0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and we were saving it for the end of the

0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.240
<v Speaker 1>day going around it. And so I did an exchange

0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.079
<v Speaker 1>in France when I was a student and we went

0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to Digna in Paris with me and another Australian girl

0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.160
<v Speaker 1>who went Marielle, I know you don't listen to your husband.

0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Tom does shout out and uh yeah, and our host

0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.400
<v Speaker 1>families and was saving Space Mountain for the end of

0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the day. And it was like, you know, the lines

0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.360
<v Speaker 1>really long. It was like an hour long. So we

0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.400
<v Speaker 1>lined up with a bit over an hour to go,

0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.640
<v Speaker 1>so we get in them. So we lined up, lined up,

0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.440
<v Speaker 1>lined up, and got so close to the front and

0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.960
<v Speaker 1>they said you no, not, we can't go on the

0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>one of the host dads of one of their families

0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.320
<v Speaker 1>came up and said, we have to go. I won't

0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.360
<v Speaker 1>give her name in case she somehow in France listens

0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to this. One of the daughters of the host families

0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.120
<v Speaker 1>is in prison. Oh she's been tapped. And his English

0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.240
<v Speaker 1>wasn't very good, so his words were, she's in prison.

0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.360
<v Speaker 1>We went, what we can't, we have to go, She's

0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.520
<v Speaker 1>in prison. So we all got USh it out of

0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the line. One of the girls in the family had

0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.400
<v Speaker 1>been caught stealing from one of maybe the Western shop.

0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she was trying to get some mony mouse jocks.

0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.800
<v Speaker 1>She'd been caught stealing and was taken into like the

0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.880
<v Speaker 1>like the you know cop cells.

0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.240
<v Speaker 3>You shouldn't steal, you should not yes.

0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Goes to jail, you should not steal.

0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:09.800
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:14.040
<v Speaker 1>And so we were ushered out of Disneyland. Marylyn and

0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I still didn't really know what was going on because

0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.199
<v Speaker 1>they were speaking very fast in French to each other

0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and very panicked, and you know, not not speaking French

0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in a way for us to easily understand. They're all

0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.040
<v Speaker 1>dealing with this on their own. So we had heard

0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.080
<v Speaker 1>she's in prison. And we were ushered out in the

0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.120
<v Speaker 1>car leaving and like no one's kind of speaking to

0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.400
<v Speaker 1>each other, and it was very awkward. And then we

0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.520
<v Speaker 1>pulled up at a cop shop, like at the police station,

0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and they went in and got the daughter out, and

0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.960
<v Speaker 1>then we had the longest, quietest ride back home, and

0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.320
<v Speaker 1>we were going I just really wanted to go.

0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:48.680
<v Speaker 2>That's all.

0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.360
<v Speaker 1>So there's my crime story from Disneyland for you.

0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I promise I'm not going to ruin Disneyland for you.

0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.680
<v Speaker 1>Good, Thank you good. I'll allow you to continue th.

0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I have no opinion on Disney, nor should you.

0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:04.440
<v Speaker 6>So.

0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.120
<v Speaker 3>The Disney Corporation was founded in nineteen twenty three by

0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:08.680
<v Speaker 3>brothers Walt and Roy Disney.

0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.520
<v Speaker 4>Haven't heard of them, You never heard of him.

0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Many people did not know that. While Walt was the dreamer,

0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Roy was the businessman, and he was the chairman of

0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:19.160
<v Speaker 3>the board for most of the company's history. Disney's first

0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.920
<v Speaker 3>success was with a short animation Steamboat Willie, which popularly

0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.120
<v Speaker 3>popularized concern with somebody say that word for me please,

0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Mickey Mouse, a character that became the mascot for the company.

0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.880
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen thirty four, Walt started a brave venture to

0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.800
<v Speaker 3>create a full length animated film based on the classic

0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.040
<v Speaker 3>children's tul Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. His brother,

0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Roy and Walt argued throughout production, with Roy worried the

0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.840
<v Speaker 3>featu Wood bankrupt. The company h costs blew out from

0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.920
<v Speaker 3>the budget of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars Oh

0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.720
<v Speaker 3>my god, to one point five million dollars back there

0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.880
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen thirty four. What, which is the equivalent of

0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:58.360
<v Speaker 3>around thirty six million dollars today. Luckily, the film was

0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.200
<v Speaker 3>a huge success and grossed over eight million dollars at.

0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:01.680
<v Speaker 2>The box office.

0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what did you say? One hundred and

0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty six sorry, thirty six million, thirty six million to

0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.920
<v Speaker 1>my equivalent. That's normal for making a movie now, isn't

0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it for an animated.

0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:11.440
<v Speaker 4>No, that's cheap.

0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow. We were like wall I was like, oh, actually

0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:15.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the first ones.

0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, terrified about it.

0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.760
<v Speaker 3>But they made over one hundred and seventy five million dollars.

0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.640
<v Speaker 3>So on the back of the success, Well spent some

0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.920
<v Speaker 3>time with his family and he was with his children

0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.480
<v Speaker 3>in Griffith Park in Los Angeles. He was watching them

0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Ride and Merry Go Round, and he had an idea

0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.360
<v Speaker 3>and started sketching an idea of a Disney themed park.

0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.119
<v Speaker 3>He purchased one hundred and sixty eight Orange Grove in Anaheim, California,

0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.480
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen fifty three, and he built the park in

0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:41.360
<v Speaker 3>two years.

0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's quick.

0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:45.160
<v Speaker 3>From nineteen fifty three to the opening on the seventeenth

0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.400
<v Speaker 3>of July nineteen fifty five.

0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:47.960
<v Speaker 1>That's really fine.

0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.640
<v Speaker 3>That's really fine. Wow, that's massive, really fast. Opening day

0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.240
<v Speaker 3>was a disaster Disneyland. There was record heat. The ash

0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.800
<v Speaker 3>felt of Main Street USA was melting and sticking to

0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.280
<v Speaker 3>people's shoes. There's no parking. Queues were miles long, and

0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Mister Toad's Wild Ride kept breaking down and all the

0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:06.880
<v Speaker 3>water fountains ran dry.

0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I mean the Lion the massive lines

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:11.280
<v Speaker 1>for hours.

0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.440
<v Speaker 3>But Walt Disney was undertred and in the first ten

0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.440
<v Speaker 3>weeks more than a million people visited the site.

0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:17.879
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.879
<v Speaker 3>In an early speech, Walt said that Disneyland should be

0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.119
<v Speaker 3>for everyone, and as long as he was alive, he

0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.080
<v Speaker 3>kept the cost of entry to one dollar for adults

0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.200
<v Speaker 3>and fifty cents for children.

0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.879
<v Speaker 3>Also, something that doesn't exist so let's look at the rumor.

0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Is it true that no one dies at Disneyland?

0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Straight rumor? That's just like a thing.

0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:43.760
<v Speaker 3>I reckon.

0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:45.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what I reckon.

0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 3>According to several whistleblowers, Disney has a policy that no

0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.000
<v Speaker 3>one dies at Disneyland. In a TikTok video, yep. In

0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.280
<v Speaker 3>a TikTok video, a person identified as Cruise describes the

0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.879
<v Speaker 3>day he was working when an elderly man collapsed in

0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.399
<v Speaker 3>line for a ride. There happened to be a doctor

0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.679
<v Speaker 3>in the line who started CPR. Paramedics arrived quickly and

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.040
<v Speaker 3>continued resuscitation, in Cruiser's words, long after it was clear

0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.720
<v Speaker 3>that the man could not be saved. He claims that

0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.879
<v Speaker 3>when he asked the paramedics why why were they continuing

0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.560
<v Speaker 3>their efforts, they explained, no one dies at Disney. Cruiz

0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.560
<v Speaker 3>claims to have investigated and found an unofficial policy that

0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.560
<v Speaker 3>all resuscitation efforts must continue until medical staff have crossed

0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.120
<v Speaker 3>the Disney property line. This way, when the death is declared,

0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.040
<v Speaker 3>it is never declared on Disney property, therefore allowing Disney

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:32.919
<v Speaker 3>and the claim that no one has ever died on

0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.600
<v Speaker 3>the premises.

0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.679
<v Speaker 1>That's also just really unrealistically millions of people who go

0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.560
<v Speaker 1>to each park every year. Some people are going to

0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.639
<v Speaker 1>have heard attacked. Some people are going to.

0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Let's find out. So the Disney Corporation has never confirmed

0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.040
<v Speaker 3>or denied the policy. In the most they have ever

0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.200
<v Speaker 3>seen is if a visitor has a medical incident while

0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.040
<v Speaker 3>at the park, all effort is made to ensure they survive.

0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Of course, is in any.

0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.400
<v Speaker 3>However, the rumor persists. The book Inside the Mouse, which

0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.560
<v Speaker 3>has been written by an unnamed author, claims we had

0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.720
<v Speaker 3>a guy last summer who went to Epcot and stood

0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.680
<v Speaker 3>in front of the golf ball and fatally shot himself

0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:12.479
<v Speaker 3>in front of everyone.

0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh God, but.

0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 3>He didn't die. The medic told me they kept him

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.560
<v Speaker 3>alive by artificial means until they were off Disney property.

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Like there's an imaginary line in the road that goes,

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.919
<v Speaker 3>he's alive, He's live, He's alive. He's like, okay, now

0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:23.480
<v Speaker 3>he can be dead.

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:30.040
<v Speaker 3>The website Snopes reasonably points out that the claim no

0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.159
<v Speaker 3>one dies at Disney is difficult a difficult claim to

0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.199
<v Speaker 3>unpick because there's a difference between actual death and declared death. So,

0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 3>for example, if someone's involved in a car accident and

0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.680
<v Speaker 3>they die in the ambulance on the way to hospital.

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.120
<v Speaker 3>Their death is more likely to clear out the hospital

0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 3>than that the accident. Saying yes in fairness to Disney,

0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 3>because otherwise we would have to say allegedly all the

0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.040
<v Speaker 3>way through this. But but I promise you everything is

0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:53.879
<v Speaker 3>actual cases.

0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.920
<v Speaker 4>We don't say allegedly.

0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.320
<v Speaker 3>We're good. We're not going to get sued by one

0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.040
<v Speaker 3>of the biggest corporations in the world. In fairness to Disney,

0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 3>the Orange County p emedics who would attend any emergency

0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.880
<v Speaker 3>at Disneyland do have a clear policy that says, once

0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.920
<v Speaker 3>life saving efforts have commenced, those efforts must continue until

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.600
<v Speaker 3>the patient has been transported to a medical facility, even

0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.639
<v Speaker 3>if the patient is non responsive. Yeah. Right, So this

0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 3>policy might be impacting what people say about this, And

0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel like maybe it's easy to make fun of Disney,

0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.960
<v Speaker 3>like easy to have a rumor about Yeah.

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I think that's also the case anywhere. I mean, I

0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:29.480
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be happy if, you know, a loved one had had,

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.119
<v Speaker 1>for instance, a heart attack at a movie theater, a

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.760
<v Speaker 1>movie cinema, and the paramedics just said, now there's no

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>point taking to the hospital. I'm not ever going to

0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.280
<v Speaker 1>try exactly.

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 3>So it's easily proved that no one dies at Disney,

0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.680
<v Speaker 3>simply an urban legend. But the truth of where the

0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 3>rumor started and some of the deaths that have occurred

0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.639
<v Speaker 3>are much more interesting than the fiction. So we're going

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.640
<v Speaker 3>to talk about the death that's the story that sparked

0:20:55.640 --> 0:21:00.600
<v Speaker 3>this rumor. Right on March seventh, nineteen eighty one, guests

0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.719
<v Speaker 3>were streaming into the Zeeland for a private nighttime party

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.359
<v Speaker 3>held by Rohr R, a Californian aerospace company. There was

0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 3>around ten thousand people invited, made up of employees of

0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.879
<v Speaker 3>the company, suppliers and their families. Among the guests was

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 3>an excited Mail Yorber, the eighteen year old son of

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 3>an Rohr employee. Yorba was lined up to ride the

0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.879
<v Speaker 3>matter Horn, as were twenty eight year old James adriscul

0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:30.479
<v Speaker 3>and his girlfriend Julie Holdner. While on the ride, Julie

0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.720
<v Speaker 3>told her boyfriend that she had felt a man behind

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 3>them in line pinch her bottom while they were queuing.

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Once they finished, the same reactions to her. Once they

0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.679
<v Speaker 3>finished their ride, James adriscoll furiously searched the crowd and

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.240
<v Speaker 3>spotted Mel Yorba, who he believed was the person his

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 3>girlfriend had identified. The men exchanged he caught up with

0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 3>Malney the Submarine Voyage ride. The men exchanged words and

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 3>started to scuffle outside the ride. It appears that James

0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Adriskol pulled a knife and during the argument, Yorba was

0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 3>stabbed in the heart. Oh my god, fram leaving him

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:04.760
<v Speaker 3>with virtually no chance.

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Disney security rushed to the scene and they quickly called

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:14.080
<v Speaker 3>a Disney nurse me who I assumed wished to upon

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 3>a star mean nurse, Disney nurse.

0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:23.120
<v Speaker 1>We just need to say, nurse. That sounds very so unserious.

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.160
<v Speaker 3>According to media reports at the time, mel Yeorber may

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 3>have been on the scene and injured for around twenty

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.160
<v Speaker 3>minutes before he was transported to the local Palm Harbor Hospital.

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 3>James A. Driscol decided it was best to leave the scene,

0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 3>throwing the knife into the moat around Sleeping Beauty's Castle

0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 3>and discarding his blood soak shirt in women's restroom. He

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 3>was caught by Disney security hiding in bushes near the castle.

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 3>He and Julie were taking to Anaheim Police and arrested,

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:53.440
<v Speaker 3>and Julie was later released without chuch Wow. The controversy

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 3>about this case initially stemmed from the decision made by

0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Disney management not to call paramedics, but instead hansporught Melyorba

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.680
<v Speaker 3>from the scene in an unmarked Disneyland van with the

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 3>nurse and security guard in the back with the victim.

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh God.

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 3>The van contained no life saving equipment, and with no

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:13.439
<v Speaker 3>lights or sirens, it had no way to rush the

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:17.439
<v Speaker 3>young man to hospital. An Orange County coroner found that

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 3>mel Yorba was in cardiac arrest when he arrived at

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 3>the hospital and there was nothing that could be done

0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 3>to save his life. On the incident, Martel Thompson, the

0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 3>chief of the Anahan Fire Department, said, We've been talking

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.240
<v Speaker 3>to Disney about this for years. Something like this is

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 3>pretty hard to swallow, especially when we have a station

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:38.399
<v Speaker 3>one minute away. Multiple Anaheim officials lamented the fact that

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 3>Disneyland's reluctance to some and paramedics was based on the

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 3>fear that the lights and sirens would damage the park's image.

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so.

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 3>In the trial, James O'Driscoll claimed the stabbing was an accident.

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:55.119
<v Speaker 3>In his account, he did have a knife, but he

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 3>didn't intend to stab yober Do you want to guess

0:23:58.600 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 3>what he said?

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I die no.

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.000
<v Speaker 3>He said, while they were fighting, you're befell onto the knife.

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>He ran into my knife ten times, once.

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 3>In the diaphragm. Oh my god, I wonder if this

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 3>is where the guy from the High Country murders.

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yeah. We've got to be careful with

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 1>this because he's launching an appeal at the moment. But

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I've alway. Yeah, So that's a it's a line from

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Chicago the musical when he goes when she says, and

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>then he ran into my knife. He ran into my

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.400
<v Speaker 1>knife ten That was legitimately the defense that Greg Lynn

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>tried to use in his.

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 3>Insame with this guy. This guy accidentally ran into my

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 3>knife and was stubbed in the heart and the.

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Living, all different places.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 3>So James A. Driscal was found a guilty of second

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.880
<v Speaker 3>degree murder and sentenced to sixteen years in prison.

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>The degree. They believe some kind of accident was involved.

0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 2>All again.

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 3>So the family of Meliorba sued Disney Cooperation for sixty

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 3>million dollars. The suit charged that Disney failed to provide

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 3>the youth with the adequate emergency medical treatment. The suit

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 3>asserted that Disney refused to someone outside paramedics to help

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.600
<v Speaker 3>the victim, and instead relied on its own staff to

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 3>care for and transport mister Yorber to hospital. Mel's mother

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 3>was quoted as saying, they had an opportunity to make

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 3>this incident less severe by giving adequate medical attention to

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 3>my boy after the fight, But they made a conscious

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 3>decision long ago that they don't want ambulances or flashing

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 3>sirens around to shatter their image.

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to argue that, isn't it Like, it's hard

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.399
<v Speaker 1>to kind of yeah, yeah, understand why they didn't.

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 3>So Disney Dane denied that it avoided paramedics to protect

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 3>its image. That has never been and never will be

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 3>the case, said the park spokesman, Bob Roth.

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Did they say why they didn't call an ambulance then

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't know? Yeah, okay.

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 3>The Superior Court ruled that Disney employee contributed to the

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 3>death of Maluba by ignoring park rules to call a

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 3>paramedic in case of serious injury.

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>The Disneyland nurse Disneyland better than Disney nurse.

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Elizabeth Miko, testified that she decided to take your

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 3>to a hospital in a Park fan because of an

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 3>unwritten policy not to call outside paramedics, right, okay, an

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 3>unwritten policy.

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's unwritten, which means they can't go look

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>at this policy. We can sue.

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's got a very colorful unicorn that he's playing quiet.

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 3>The family's attorney, though, introduced a document from the Park

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 3>that said professional paramedics should be cared called for the

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:47.480
<v Speaker 3>life if you destroying literally, Diggs, come on right.

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 4>In the crime. It's not right what you've done.

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It's crook what you've done. It's crook what you've done.

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 3>And play with Julia. So John Aludo introduced a Park

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 3>document saying that professional paramedics should be called for the

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 3>treatment of life threatening injuries, but the nurse said she

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>had never seen that policy. Oh so, how much did

0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 3>you hang on?

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:20.639
<v Speaker 1>How can a nurse not have seen like all the policies.

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 3>So you can see why this is the case that

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 3>started the room. Yeah, so the family. How much did

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 3>the family suit for.

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Sixty million?

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 3>The family awarded six hundred thousand dollars in damages, to

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 3>which the mother said, we knew, we owed it to

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 3>mel to have this case brought out. So it cannot

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:38.920
<v Speaker 3>happen to anybody else.

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Because of the very public nature of this incident and

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.159
<v Speaker 3>subsequent civil claim, it is widely believed that this is

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 3>the case that started the rumor that no one dies

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 3>a Disney WoT.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>As well, because there's no way I suppose of proving

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>or knowing whether he would have died had he gone

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>in an ambulance anyway.

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, in major organs very well, it

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 6>may have died, which is probably I'm thinking what the

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 6>argument for the six hundred thousand dollars settlement may have

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 6>been that there is no proof that that.

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Was the reason. Approximate not approximate.

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Cause yes, yep, ipproximate in proximicproximate if you will, magistrate.

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 4>But people have died.

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:23.760
<v Speaker 3>At Disneyland over the years, and we're going to have

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 3>a look at some.

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 4>Of those deaths.

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Good really gladlifting.

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 3>By the numbers, Disney has had ninety six reported fatalities

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 3>at their theme parks.

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's not that.

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Ninety six doesn't seem as much.

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just think how many people go through their

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>gates every day. There are so many part there's what

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>France Hong Kong, Tokyo, Florida, Anaheim.

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Don't look at me.

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 3>You're like, you're like the penguins in Madagascar that you're like,

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 3>that's a number we can live with. Ninety six.

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>It's ninety six more than I would like to have

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>died anywhere. But I feel like, yeah, but the people

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>that go through there every day.

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 5>And people have probably died at andre Real concerts, true.

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Julia, just right, he looked at something and.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Goes, how did your brain get there?

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 4>Is that because they're older?

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's always there's always paramedics at andre Real concert

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 5>And are you are you?

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Are you oldest out of me? Just no, you ages?

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 4>Just the word I was looking.

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Oldest is not the right red the oldest, the older brother,

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh dear so. By the numbers, Disney's had ninety six

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 3>reported fatalities at their Being parks. Twenty one of the

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 3>deaths were employees, the remaining being guests. Interestingly, only fourteen

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>percent of the deaths have resulted in settled lawsuits, and

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>the largest was a twenty five million dollar pay out

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety eight.

0:29:58.520 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Whoo.

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 3>The Disney's first fatal accident was in May nineteen sixty five,

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 3>a fifteen year old boy was injured after he stood

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 3>up in the made horn bob sleds and fell out.

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh god. It was reported that his restraints were undone

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 3>by his ride companions and this was a dare. He

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 3>died three days later as a result of injured.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>So it didn't die out Disney, No, it died Jsney.

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it fascinating. Many of the fatal accidents at

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Disney have been as a result of guests acting recklessly

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 3>on the following run. So in June nineteen sixty six,

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 3>a nineteen year old man was killed while attempting to

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.560
<v Speaker 3>sneak into the park by climbing onto the monorail track,

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 3>ignoring a security officer shouted warning that the monorail was coming.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 3>He was struck by the train and dragged forty meters

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 3>down the train. Then, in nineteen sixty six, an eighteen

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 3>year old man and his ten year old brother stayed

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 3>on Tom Sawyer's Island past closing time by hiding in

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 3>an area that's off limits to guests. Oh my god.

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 3>Later that night, they left the island and tried to

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 3>swim away the river, but the young boy didn't know

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 3>how to swim.

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, So he.

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Climbed onto his older brother's back, and his older brother

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 3>drowned halfway across.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 4>His body was.

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Found the next morning, and the young brother was able

0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 3>to stay afloat by dog paddling until a ride operator

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 3>rescued them.

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that is horrific.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Happiest place on Earth. Oh sorry. So some of the

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 3>deaths have been ruled natural causes, such as Caleb Graves,

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 3>who died after running the Disneyland Halloween half marathon in

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 3>one hundred degree heat. Reportedly, he clutched his chest shortly

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 3>after he crossed the finish line and passed away despite

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 3>receiving immediate medical care.

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>That's like natural causes and running a half marathon in

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>one hundred degree heats to feel not maybe exactly the

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>same thing. Natural causes are heart attack, yes, but a

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>heart attack yeah yeah.

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 4>Correct.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 3>In August nineteen seventy four, a thirty one year old

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 3>woman became sick after riding Space Mountain, Oh Lucky, escaped

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>for you jail, and was unable to exit the vehicle.

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh God. Employers told her to stay seated while the

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 3>vehicles removed from the track, but other ride o prays

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 3>did not hear that conversation and accidentally sent her through

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 3>the rider second time.

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 3>She arrived at the unloading zaying this time semi conscious.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 3>She was taken to Palm Harbor Hospital, where she remained

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 3>in a coma and died a week later.

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 3>The coroner's report attributed her death to natural causes because

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 3>a heart chemmer had dislodged on lost on the ride

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 3>and had entered her brain.

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that is horrific.

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 3>But you never went on Space Mountain.

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. There was someone looking out for me.

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I've never been on like I've been to Disneyland a

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>home since, and I didn't go on Space Mountain. Oh

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>my god, some high cause Waltz is looking down on me.

0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 3>When you were saying before about Space Mountain, I was like,

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 3>just wait. In March nine eighty four, a forty eight

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 3>year old woman was decapitated when she was thrown from

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 3>a mate horn bob sled and struck by an oncoming

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 3>bob slead.

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 3>An investigation found that her seat belt was not buckled.

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 3>Witnesses state that there was an argument between her and

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 3>her companion, and she said she did not need to

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 3>fasten her seat belt.

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Despite that, Disney settled the family for an undisclosed amount.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 3>So some of the deaths were not as a result

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 3>of natural causes or as the result of the vault

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 3>of a visitor. A thirty three year old man was

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 3>struck by a heavy metal cleat that should have been

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 3>fastened to the hull of the sailing ship Columbia.

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 3>The normal thie line, which was a hemp rope designed

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 3>to break during a show, was improperly replaced by a cheaper,

0:33:56.120 --> 0:34:00.120
<v Speaker 3>elastic nylon rope Oh god, that stretched instead of breaking

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 3>and tore the cleat from the ships wooden hull. Oh

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 3>A tour loose flew through the air and struck one

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 3>cast member and two guests. The victim died of a

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 3>head injury at UCI Medical Center two days later.

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Was that a guest or the cast member was the

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>cast member not.

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 3>On Disney property?

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 2>You?

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 3>The case was the largest settlement Disney has paid to date. Wow,

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 3>they admitted fault and settled for an amount estimated at

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 3>twenty five million dollars.

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't bring back a life, does it.

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 3>No. Disney was also fined by the Occupational Safety and

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Health Association OSHA for the stunning amount of twelve five

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars for improperly training the employee.

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 4>He tied the rope. That's it.

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Twelve thousand dollars.

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Twelve five hundred dollars. They were fine.

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 3>After this instant, Disney reinstated lead foreman on most rides. Yeah,

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 3>and they allowed the Anaheim Police Department to place our

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 3>plane clothes officers in the park to speed responses.

0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 3>So since nineteen ninety eight, that's it. So this was

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.239
<v Speaker 3>the first guest death on Disneyland property that was not

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 3>attributal to any negligence on the part of a guest

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 3>or a character.

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 1>It was purely the fault of the of the park.

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 4>Park.

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.240
<v Speaker 3>In two thousand, a twenty three year old woman exited

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 3>the Indiana James Right complaining of a severe headache. She

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 3>was hospitalized later that day and was discovered to have

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 3>suffered a brain hemorrhage.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 3>She died on September one, two thousand, of cerebral aneurysm

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I can say that, but not productivity. Her

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 3>family's subsequent wrongful death lawsuit against Disney actually changed the

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.720
<v Speaker 3>way Disney is viewed in legal terms.

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know much about aneurysms, but I didn't think

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>there were particularly able to kind of pinpoint the momental

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>reason someone gets Oh yeah, no, it sounds like in

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>this case they have.

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Maybe so her family's wrongful guests to it changed the

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 3>way Disney was viewed as an organization by the California

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court. So in the California Supreme Court, in an appeal,

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 3>they held that amusement parks are considered common carriers, and

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.720
<v Speaker 3>other businesses that fall into the category of common carriers

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 3>are planes, trains, elevators, and ski lifts. So what that

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 3>mean is that Disneyland was held to higher duty of

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 3>care and she should be judged accordingly.

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, and they know they're caring for a lot of people,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>So you've got it's.

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, Yeah, they seemilar to a plane, yes, yep.

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 3>So they settled this case for an undisclosed amount. In

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and three, a twenty two year old man

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 3>died after suffering severe blunt force trauma and extensive internal

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 3>bleeding in a derailment of a roller coaster that also

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 3>injured ten other roles. Oh good, this was the you

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 3>know the one that's the train currently what it's called.

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 3>As the train entered a tar and all the axle

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 3>came loose and jammed against a brake section, causing the

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 3>locomotive to become airborne, flip and hit the ceiling of

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the tunnel.

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.399
<v Speaker 3>The locomotive then fell on top of the first passenger car.

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Was that the ghost train that haunted House Train one?

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 3>No, I can't. It's like a Western style one right

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 3>where you go flye around the corner and it looks

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 3>like you're going to go to a broken part of

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the track.

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay.

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 3>So the investigation revealed that the cause of the accident

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>was improper maintenance, and Disney settled for an undisclosed amount.

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 3>They were not fined by WHOA. Then there was an

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.879
<v Speaker 3>incident called the Monorail incident in two thousand and nine.

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 3>During a failed track switch over from the Epcot Line

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 3>onto the Magic Kingdom Express Line, Montoreil Pink backed into

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Monarel Purple, killing Monrel Purples twenty one year old pilot.

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh god.

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 3>An investigation by the National Transportation Safety Bureau showed no

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 3>mechanical problems with the train or track, but did find

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 3>that the track used in the switchover was not in

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 3>its proper place during the transition. It was also noted

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 3>that Purple's pilot desperately attempted to reverse his train when

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 3>he saw that there was going to be a collision.

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 3>Disney settled for the family with an undisclosed amount, and

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 3>on this occasion OSHA ruled the crash preventable and find

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Disney forty four thousand dollars forty.

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Four thousands of someone's death.

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, what I've learned messaging this is thatsher.

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Don't charge fine, no terrible. So in twenty sixteen, a

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 3>two year old boy was attacked by an alligator at

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 3>nine to fifteen pm on the shore of the Seven

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Seas Lagoon.

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my fucking god.

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 2>J Morehen we started this in scott So this is

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a light one.

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a light it's a light one.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>The news last time we spoke about a murder. Down

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>before that we spoke about a murder. Don't worry.

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 4>This is a bit more.

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Finn flight of one two year old got eaten by

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Rocke Disneyland get out christ Oh my god.

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.160
<v Speaker 3>So his parents' success unsuccessfully tried to intervene.

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, get off there, Get.

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Off there, right, Yeah, he's like he smiled at me.

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 3>And alligator that's true, are they they're the ones you

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 3>see later?

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was very good.

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 3>So the boy, the boy was pulled into the water.

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 3>His body was found the following afternoon in the vicinity

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 3>of where he went missing, in about six feet.

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Of water the following afternoon.

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 3>So since then, since the incident, Disney has installed rope

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.360
<v Speaker 3>barriers around the waterways.

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Rope barriers don't have alligators there.

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 3>And has added warning signs that there may be alligators.

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean there are maybe there are alligators. There may

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>be oh my god.

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 3>There was no public lawsuit, and it is believe that

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Disney settled privately with the family. There was no fine by.

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Ocean What what what are you talking about?

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 3>What do you mean they couldn't find them because they

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 3>weren't responsible for the animal. That wasn't an animal that

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 3>belonged to Disney.

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so it's just an animal that happens to

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>be in the like it can it can get there

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>from outside.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 3>The park Disney and in Florida of course.

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, right, right, So it's not like, yeah, okay,

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>they haven't put disney World World is Florida. They haven't

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 1>put alligators in the motor of a right.

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 3>No, No, that's right, they haven't done right. Okay, but

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 3>what I've written here is I'm going to end on

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 3>a slightly more positive Nope, but I'm not sure that's

0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Fourth and last, Oh gosh, okay. For

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 3>many years, Disney's partner with a charity called Give Kids

0:40:58.600 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 3>the World.

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:01.760
<v Speaker 4>It digs you're right, which.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Amazing. Yeah, that's here we goes.

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Come mate, no one's paying attention to me. You've been

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 3>here for ages. So Disney's created a village in Florida

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 3>specifically designed to provide critically ill children and their families

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 3>cost free, week long vacations. Oh The village has special

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 3>amenities designed to support kids, spaces for their healthy siblings,

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 3>and twenty four hour support for their parents, as well

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>as on site attractions. A visit to Give Kids the

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.560
<v Speaker 3>World includes a special past to disney World. Disney World Florida.

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Wish families receive a GK t W button to wear,

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 3>which provides fast access to all rides and a special

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 3>lounge where all food and drink is free, and there

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 3>are special mid and groups with the Disney characters.

0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>That's lovely. So it's like in Australia, make a wish foundation.

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah's specifically a Disney one to be able to go

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>to Disney World.

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:06.760
<v Speaker 3>What no, no, we're not finished. So in two thousand

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 3>and six, Rami Maswara, a six year old boy who

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 3>had terminal metatastic slung spine and adominal cancer.

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't finish this.

0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 3>He was very was very excited to travel from Israel

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 3>to Florida. Oh my God, to fulfill a wish to

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 3>visit and he had a great time. Disney paid for

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 3>he and his family's travel from Israel in especially set

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 3>up jet to ensure that he had a safe trip.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 3>On the eighth of August, he excitedly started his day

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 3>with his parents riding the Teacups, the Jungle Cruise and more. Sorry,

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:41.799
<v Speaker 3>the dog's just coming over.

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>He can feel our anxiety.

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 3>His father knew Space Mountain was the ride that Rami

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 3>was looking forward to most, and so they saved it

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 3>until the end of the day. After they have enjoyed

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 3>a delicious lunch at the g at W Club, Rami

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 3>and his father boarded Space Mountain at around two pm

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 3>at some point during the ride, Rami lost consciousness. He

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.280
<v Speaker 3>was treated on site by Disney staff, and on this occasion,

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:17.800
<v Speaker 3>an ambulance was called immediately. Rami was taken at Celebration

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Hospital in under ten minutes, but he never regained consciousness,

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 3>and he died late on August eighth, two thousand.

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>And Oh my god.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.880
<v Speaker 3>His death was ruled as natural causes and the family

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 3>took no action against Disney. His father stated that his

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 3>son had died with his dream coming true in the

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 3>happiest place on earth. And that's your more fun story

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 3>about that's at Disneyland. Yeah, thanks for having me for

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 3>the last time.

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:53.280
<v Speaker 5>Thanks for doing having for the last time.

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 2>That's okay, well, yeah, okay, okay.

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 1>What I will say about Ramy at the end is

0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>what a beautiful thing for the pure Yeah, look at it.

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Try a beautiful thing form like he he got to

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 3>go on the ride that he loved the most. All

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 3>that happened for him. All that he knows is he

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 3>lost consciousness during that's literally his dream was coming true.

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, thank you for telling us about the

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>death of Disney Landscape.

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.399
<v Speaker 3>Almost I haven't known you for that long, and I've

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 3>been to one of your shows, and I find you

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 3>a reasonably sincere person. That is the most instance.

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 4>That like a question, you.

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Were so quiet in that after start.

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Shouted out time, Oh.

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 1>My god, I mean thank you. I think thank you

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.360
<v Speaker 1>for bringing us a story, thank you for doing some research.

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I think we can both.

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 4>Agree that yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all.

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, time, could you please to murder?

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you think there's going to be the next time?

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>That's oh my god. I'm interested to hear any listeners

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>stories about their like their stories from Disney, Disneyland is

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 1>the world, wherever it might be, you know, I don't know.

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we would like opened up a can of worms

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 1>now about people's traumatic experience when I have been there,

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>but the time in Paris when someone was arrested.

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I've never been.

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.920
<v Speaker 1>It's so happy.

0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 3>When we came out of Space Mountain that day as

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 3>we started walking out because you know, you don't know,

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 3>sorry because you have been on it.

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>But it's very gay, nice, my friend, it's.

0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 3>Really inside, right, so you come out. We came out

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 3>and it was glorious sunshine and it started snowing because

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.400
<v Speaker 3>it was winter in Japan, and it was quite magical.

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>That it's magic Okay, I love Disney. I'm not like,

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm not, you know, a quote unquote Disney adult. You know,

0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>people like Disney adults. I'm not that I'm not obsessed

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>with Disney, but I just like, I've got beautiful memories.

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't have any friends to capitate. No one's

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 3>been taken away.

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 1>From Ruined again. Thanks to see you guys.

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 3>It's been nice.