Speaker 1: Welcome to another crime podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Georgia Love, I'm Sammy Peterson.
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist.
Speaker 3: I am not.
Speaker 1: Please let her speak. We have a guest today who
Speaker 1: I think we can officially call the official third host
Speaker 1: of this podcast. We have the wonderful will Patterson slash
Speaker 1: Scott Williams back for a fourth episode.
Speaker 3: We're all dead siding.
Speaker 4: You can't see what.
Speaker 1: We have loved having you as a guest on our
Speaker 1: podcast so much, and the listeners have loved it so much.
Speaker 1: We've just got your back so we can sit back
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 3: Couch and you guys have got me obsessed with crime
Speaker 3: like great. I just see things and I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I can write that story and tell it
Speaker 3: to I'm so glad.
Speaker 1: This is great for us. When we committed to two
Speaker 1: episodes a week I first started these, let's just say
Speaker 1: I have deep regrets.
Speaker 4: Episode per week is rough.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. So getting to sit back and have
Speaker 1: not just a story told to us, but wonderfully and
Speaker 1: getting to catch up with a good friend is beautiful.
Speaker 1: We're very very happy to have you back.
Speaker 2: Tell us about your week, Scott.
Speaker 3: Oh look, I was going to tell you I had
Speaker 3: a good weeks, but I haven't. So this week Julia
Speaker 3: said the most hurtful thing to me. Oh no, she's
Speaker 3: sitting out here that I've ever had said in a relationship.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I wouldn't tell you about it. So
Speaker 3: yesterday she was making omelet. I was in charge of
Speaker 3: the toast.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'd be off. That wasn't it.
Speaker 3: That wasn't it.
Speaker 4: So she's out this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants you to tell everyone how good?
Speaker 3: Was excellent?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: So then I get the taste about it, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you want to taste?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 3: I want some taste. I'm like, do you want to cut?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 3: And I said triangles are squares? And she said it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter whoa How can you be married to someone
Speaker 3: for so long?
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: This is on you.
Speaker 1: You married her.
Speaker 3: I know that, and I'm not getting out of it now.
Speaker 3: Like I know that as well.
Speaker 1: Too expensive.
Speaker 4: The only reason it's too expensive.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff. But if you had to
Speaker 1: give her half the stuff, would you divide it in triangles?
Speaker 2: The most important question you have to ask.
Speaker 4: That's what a lawyer would say, as well, quest.
Speaker 3: Does you might have an opinion?
Speaker 1: It matters, and what's your opinion?
Speaker 3: Triangles? Of course you get more triangles.
Speaker 1: You get more, You get more toast, don't you You
Speaker 1: get more toast. I don't understand the science.
Speaker 3: But you do, you do?
Speaker 1: I think Itamy doesn't have an opinion.
Speaker 2: You'll be very I don't have an opinion on it.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, I'm with Julia.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm with Julia and you tour together on this.
Speaker 1: Wow, Dix has heard that was talking about food and
Speaker 1: meaning to him.
Speaker 3: It's extremely close to you.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he's a close talk for sure. That's
Speaker 4: one thing of that bread.
Speaker 3: So up until that happened, I haven't got weak like
Speaker 3: I got. I got a new wallet and I'm loving
Speaker 3: myself sick.
Speaker 2: Triangle.
Speaker 3: It's a triangle. It's not it's cool to redge. Oh
Speaker 3: that's a cool if you want reach to sponsor the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a cool wallet.
Speaker 1: I haven't yet, so we'll bleep the name of that.
Speaker 4: Say anything that is cool. The gurl wallet.
Speaker 1: My wallet has Diamondi's all over it, and it says
Speaker 1: you can't afford me. And when I bought when I
Speaker 1: bought it, and I showed my friend. He said, I
Speaker 1: think that should say I can't afford me.
Speaker 5: I just wrapped my money in toast.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry about.
Speaker 4: Your I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1: I sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3: That's going to be She'll be happy. She was happy
Speaker 3: before she met me. She from she can survive me.
Speaker 3: I told you that the first time we got to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 4: Actually, we were talking before we started recording.
Speaker 2: We were talking about it. We're having a lovely glass
Speaker 2: of wine and we're talking about our divorce.
Speaker 5: And when we did say something about divorce and you
Speaker 5: might get divorced after this, Julie did clap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's come up for quite a few times.
Speaker 1: Oh my dear, it's fun to be hard broken.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we laugh.
Speaker 3: So I've bought a more fun story for the Thursday
Speaker 3: treat divorce.
Speaker 4: Yay.
Speaker 3: But before we tell the story that, I want to
Speaker 3: tell you about something that happened to me. Okay, So
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, I went on a trip
Speaker 3: to Japan, cool man and my world looked very different
Speaker 3: back then. CJ. My son had just turned.
Speaker 4: Six judgmental glasses judgment classes.
Speaker 3: Had just turned six in his mum, and I was
Speaker 3: still married and I was fat. So I was over
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty kilos so I was fat, fat,
Speaker 3: ok I was quite fat. So the first thing that
Speaker 3: happened to us when on this trip to Sydney was
Speaker 3: there was a terrible storm in Sydney. So we went
Speaker 3: Melbourn to Sydney. Then Sydney is Japan. The storm delayed
Speaker 3: our flight and then it was about two hours we
Speaker 3: boarded the plane and when the pilot came on over
Speaker 3: the intercom to do is normal thing, he said, ladies
Speaker 3: and gentlemen, we apologize for the delay.
Speaker 4: You did like that bit of the storm.
Speaker 3: We apologize for the delay. We need to make you
Speaker 3: aware that because of the storm risk, we were not
Speaker 3: allowed to have ground staff working on our aircraft. This
Speaker 3: means we are flying with no luggage aboard. Your luggage
Speaker 3: will be distributed between the next three flights of Tokyo
Speaker 3: and the airline will be in touch to deliver it.
Speaker 2: When they.
Speaker 4: Just dropped out the bottom of the I.
Speaker 1: Would have become a Karen faster than you can say Karen, Karen.
Speaker 3: So I'm like right, I try and make a mental
Speaker 3: note of everything in might carry on, and we decided
Speaker 3: that my carry on with the one. They have most
Speaker 3: of CJ's stuff in it, you know, some spare clothes, sure, kid,
Speaker 3: because whatever. And so we landed in Japan in winter
Speaker 3: with the clothes on her back and it was and
Speaker 3: some kids stuff and some kids stuff and where we
Speaker 3: were going first with Disneyland, so it was hilarious. So
Speaker 3: CJ's mum only had ballet flats, so not suitable for
Speaker 3: six degrees where they're walking around Disneyland.
Speaker 2: So she's landing on to a lot of Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's what you were in.
Speaker 3: It's not like tap shoes everywhere I go. You listen,
Speaker 3: I met your mom at your show and I came
Speaker 3: to your show. Yeah, yeah, and she was great. She
Speaker 3: was one of the best hecklers of the night and
Speaker 3: I me, Yeah, we chatted about tap a little bit.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 2: She's actually starting to tap down.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She tried it on the wood on the Mason up
Speaker 3: just as you were going out, as you're going down
Speaker 3: the stairs. She tried it out with us. It was
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 4: She has a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: So anyway, c j's mum had unsuitable shoes and she
Speaker 3: had to shop four shoes in Disneyland. So she ended
Speaker 3: up with shoes that looked like New Balance and Mini
Speaker 3: Mouse had a baby. But my problem was jocks. So
Speaker 3: I have to tell you it is not easy to
Speaker 3: buy jocks at Disneyland.
Speaker 4: Sure I ever thought about that. Not easy?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So at the end of the day on Main Street
Speaker 3: there's this little Western themed store and they had Western
Speaker 3: themed Mickey Mouse jobs. Sure, right, so I bought a pair.
Speaker 3: And then the next day I found out that an
Speaker 3: extra large in Japan is not the same as an extra.
Speaker 5: Large in Australia, right, So next day called just the crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the next day I'm shoehorned into these tiny
Speaker 3: box which were color free printed with like holsters and chaps, right,
Speaker 3: and we head back into the wonderful word of Disney.
Speaker 3: So then's Mum and I having this whole conversation because
Speaker 3: of the little under as I as I jemmy myself
Speaker 3: into another stupid ride where stupid music plays and little
Speaker 3: Bear sing to how dare you I don't like Disneyland
Speaker 3: happiest place on Earth?
Speaker 1: All right? It turns out third time as the chart.
Speaker 3: My theory, it's a giant human trap run by a mouse.
Speaker 3: Oh problem is it's just not for me. That's all right.
Speaker 1: It is the happiest place on Earth.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that foreshadowing. So I suggested
Speaker 3: to C's mum that there's no way that these rides
Speaker 3: are the same size in the US as they are
Speaker 3: Japan because I was fat, but I wasn't US fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no way. Right, I'm not America fat. And then
Speaker 3: we get to Space Mountain. Space Mountain is the ride
Speaker 3: that CJ's munt really wanted to go on with him
Speaker 3: because it's the one she remembers as a kid. She's
Speaker 3: super excited. We bought express tickets for this ride. So
Speaker 3: he's standing in this very short queue and I see
Speaker 3: a Disney employee walking towards us. She's dressed in a
Speaker 3: Disney kimono and Mickey Mouse's ears, and she just has
Speaker 3: this look of dread on her face.
Speaker 4: You would be if wearing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So she shovels up, shuffles up to me in
Speaker 3: that little kimono walk that they have to do because
Speaker 3: of the uniform. She stops in front of me and
Speaker 3: does this short little bow and then we just look
Speaker 3: at each other from a moment, and this look of
Speaker 3: despair acrosses her face, right, because she's trying to approach
Speaker 3: what she has to say, and she obviously didn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of English, and she obviously wasn't in the
Speaker 3: happiest place on earth at this moment.
Speaker 2: She said, why are you only wearing underwear?
Speaker 3: What she did was she waved her hand up and
Speaker 3: down at me like Stoic does to his son in
Speaker 3: How to Change the Dragon, and just goes too big,
Speaker 3: too big, too big right? So c J and his
Speaker 3: mum burst out laughing, right, which seems to relax this
Speaker 3: poor woman. And then she and I have a conversation
Speaker 3: in English where I'm sure I sound like a caveman, right,
Speaker 3: I'm like me too big, and she nods at me.
Speaker 3: I'm like too big, No, ride right, and she like
Speaker 3: shakes her head, and I went me ride right. And
Speaker 3: then she shook her head and she goes, no, you
Speaker 3: come right. So we turn and we start walking towards
Speaker 3: the entrance to the ride. My family completely delighted. She
Speaker 3: walks us past the entrance to the ride to her
Speaker 3: door that says astronauts only, and behind the door there's
Speaker 3: a maintenance room. In the center there's a carriage from
Speaker 3: Space mountain right, and she says, you sit. So I
Speaker 3: go and sit in it and she says, now close, right,
Speaker 3: And so I understand the assignment. I'm like, I have
Speaker 3: to show her I can close the safety bar so
Speaker 3: that I can fit on the Space Mountain, right. So
Speaker 3: I pull it down and it clicks into space in
Speaker 3: place Cli space. She immediately jumps up and down like
Speaker 3: this and she goes, you're not too big. So then
Speaker 3: so then me and my family and my tiny underpants
Speaker 3: got to go on Space Mountain.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why you it squeezed youwy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, of course exactly.
Speaker 3: So why did I tell you that all of that?
Speaker 3: So today that's that's because today's story is about the
Speaker 3: self proclaimed happiest place Disney. No.
Speaker 1: I think I have to leave the record Disneyland for me.
Speaker 3: We're going to explore deaths at Disney.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: We're going to investigate the urban myth that no one
Speaker 3: has ever died at Disneyland, and that rumor persists to
Speaker 3: this day. And we're going to examine the only murder
Speaker 3: which has ever taken place on Disney property.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I hate it. I have you ever okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, have you ever been to Disney I have
Speaker 1: not been to Disneyland. Okay, well you can't comment.
Speaker 3: I haven't gone.
Speaker 2: Voter, then you can't comment.
Speaker 4: Shut up, get out.
Speaker 3: This is Mine and George's podcast. Now I've done it
Speaker 3: four times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: I'm the host. Now I am the captain. Now that's great.
Speaker 1: I love Disneyland. I love it. I love it. And
Speaker 1: I had a very dramatic experience at Disneyland in Paris
Speaker 1: where you brought up Space Mountain. That was the one
Speaker 1: ride that I wanted to go on more than anything else,
Speaker 1: and we were saving it for the end of the
Speaker 1: day going around it. And so I did an exchange
Speaker 1: in France when I was a student and we went
Speaker 1: to Digna in Paris with me and another Australian girl
Speaker 1: who went Marielle, I know you don't listen to your husband.
Speaker 1: Tom does shout out and uh yeah, and our host
Speaker 1: families and was saving Space Mountain for the end of
Speaker 1: the day. And it was like, you know, the lines
Speaker 1: really long. It was like an hour long. So we
Speaker 1: lined up with a bit over an hour to go,
Speaker 1: so we get in them. So we lined up, lined up,
Speaker 1: lined up, and got so close to the front and
Speaker 1: they said you no, not, we can't go on the
Speaker 1: one of the host dads of one of their families
Speaker 1: came up and said, we have to go. I won't
Speaker 1: give her name in case she somehow in France listens
Speaker 1: to this. One of the daughters of the host families
Speaker 1: is in prison. Oh she's been tapped. And his English
Speaker 1: wasn't very good, so his words were, she's in prison.
Speaker 1: We went, what we can't, we have to go, She's
Speaker 1: in prison. So we all got USh it out of
Speaker 1: the line. One of the girls in the family had
Speaker 1: been caught stealing from one of maybe the Western shop.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was trying to get some mony mouse jocks.
Speaker 1: She'd been caught stealing and was taken into like the
Speaker 1: like the you know cop cells.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't steal, you should not yes.
Speaker 1: Goes to jail, you should not steal.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And so we were ushered out of Disneyland. Marylyn and
Speaker 1: I still didn't really know what was going on because
Speaker 1: they were speaking very fast in French to each other
Speaker 1: and very panicked, and you know, not not speaking French
Speaker 1: in a way for us to easily understand. They're all
Speaker 1: dealing with this on their own. So we had heard
Speaker 1: she's in prison. And we were ushered out in the
Speaker 1: car leaving and like no one's kind of speaking to
Speaker 1: each other, and it was very awkward. And then we
Speaker 1: pulled up at a cop shop, like at the police station,
Speaker 1: and they went in and got the daughter out, and
Speaker 1: then we had the longest, quietest ride back home, and
Speaker 1: we were going I just really wanted to go.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 1: So there's my crime story from Disneyland for you.
Speaker 3: I promise I'm not going to ruin Disneyland for you.
Speaker 1: Good, Thank you good. I'll allow you to continue th.
Speaker 2: I have no opinion on Disney, nor should you.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 3: The Disney Corporation was founded in nineteen twenty three by
Speaker 3: brothers Walt and Roy Disney.
Speaker 4: Haven't heard of them, You never heard of him.
Speaker 3: Many people did not know that. While Walt was the dreamer,
Speaker 3: Roy was the businessman, and he was the chairman of
Speaker 3: the board for most of the company's history. Disney's first
Speaker 3: success was with a short animation Steamboat Willie, which popularly
Speaker 3: popularized concern with somebody say that word for me please,
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse, a character that became the mascot for the company.
Speaker 3: In nineteen thirty four, Walt started a brave venture to
Speaker 3: create a full length animated film based on the classic
Speaker 3: children's tul Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. His brother,
Speaker 3: Roy and Walt argued throughout production, with Roy worried the
Speaker 3: featu Wood bankrupt. The company h costs blew out from
Speaker 3: the budget of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars Oh
Speaker 3: my god, to one point five million dollars back there
Speaker 3: in nineteen thirty four. What, which is the equivalent of
Speaker 3: around thirty six million dollars today. Luckily, the film was
Speaker 3: a huge success and grossed over eight million dollars at.
Speaker 2: The box office.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, what did you say? One hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty six sorry, thirty six million, thirty six million to
Speaker 1: my equivalent. That's normal for making a movie now, isn't
Speaker 1: it for an animated.
Speaker 4: No, that's cheap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Wow. We were like wall I was like, oh, actually
Speaker 2: one of the first ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrified about it.
Speaker 3: But they made over one hundred and seventy five million dollars.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So on the back of the success, Well spent some
Speaker 3: time with his family and he was with his children
Speaker 3: in Griffith Park in Los Angeles. He was watching them
Speaker 3: Ride and Merry Go Round, and he had an idea
Speaker 3: and started sketching an idea of a Disney themed park.
Speaker 3: He purchased one hundred and sixty eight Orange Grove in Anaheim, California,
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty three, and he built the park in
Speaker 3: two years.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's quick.
Speaker 3: From nineteen fifty three to the opening on the seventeenth
Speaker 3: of July nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 1: That's really fine.
Speaker 3: That's really fine. Wow, that's massive, really fast. Opening day
Speaker 3: was a disaster Disneyland. There was record heat. The ash
Speaker 3: felt of Main Street USA was melting and sticking to
Speaker 3: people's shoes. There's no parking. Queues were miles long, and
Speaker 3: Mister Toad's Wild Ride kept breaking down and all the
Speaker 3: water fountains ran dry.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean the Lion the massive lines
Speaker 1: for hours.
Speaker 3: But Walt Disney was undertred and in the first ten
Speaker 3: weeks more than a million people visited the site.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: In an early speech, Walt said that Disneyland should be
Speaker 3: for everyone, and as long as he was alive, he
Speaker 3: kept the cost of entry to one dollar for adults
Speaker 3: and fifty cents for children.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Also, something that doesn't exist so let's look at the rumor.
Speaker 3: Is it true that no one dies at Disneyland?
Speaker 1: Straight rumor? That's just like a thing.
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 1: That's what I reckon.
Speaker 3: According to several whistleblowers, Disney has a policy that no
Speaker 3: one dies at Disneyland. In a TikTok video, yep. In
Speaker 3: a TikTok video, a person identified as Cruise describes the
Speaker 3: day he was working when an elderly man collapsed in
Speaker 3: line for a ride. There happened to be a doctor
Speaker 3: in the line who started CPR. Paramedics arrived quickly and
Speaker 3: continued resuscitation, in Cruiser's words, long after it was clear
Speaker 3: that the man could not be saved. He claims that
Speaker 3: when he asked the paramedics why why were they continuing
Speaker 3: their efforts, they explained, no one dies at Disney. Cruiz
Speaker 3: claims to have investigated and found an unofficial policy that
Speaker 3: all resuscitation efforts must continue until medical staff have crossed
Speaker 3: the Disney property line. This way, when the death is declared,
Speaker 3: it is never declared on Disney property, therefore allowing Disney
Speaker 3: and the claim that no one has ever died on
Speaker 3: the premises.
Speaker 1: That's also just really unrealistically millions of people who go
Speaker 1: to each park every year. Some people are going to
Speaker 1: have heard attacked. Some people are going to.
Speaker 3: Let's find out. So the Disney Corporation has never confirmed
Speaker 3: or denied the policy. In the most they have ever
Speaker 3: seen is if a visitor has a medical incident while
Speaker 3: at the park, all effort is made to ensure they survive.
Speaker 1: Of course, is in any.
Speaker 3: However, the rumor persists. The book Inside the Mouse, which
Speaker 3: has been written by an unnamed author, claims we had
Speaker 3: a guy last summer who went to Epcot and stood
Speaker 3: in front of the golf ball and fatally shot himself
Speaker 3: in front of everyone.
Speaker 4: Oh God, but.
Speaker 3: He didn't die. The medic told me they kept him
Speaker 3: alive by artificial means until they were off Disney property.
Speaker 3: Like there's an imaginary line in the road that goes,
Speaker 3: he's alive, He's live, He's alive. He's like, okay, now
Speaker 3: he can be dead.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: The website Snopes reasonably points out that the claim no
Speaker 3: one dies at Disney is difficult a difficult claim to
Speaker 3: unpick because there's a difference between actual death and declared death. So,
Speaker 3: for example, if someone's involved in a car accident and
Speaker 3: they die in the ambulance on the way to hospital.
Speaker 3: Their death is more likely to clear out the hospital
Speaker 3: than that the accident. Saying yes in fairness to Disney,
Speaker 3: because otherwise we would have to say allegedly all the
Speaker 3: way through this. But but I promise you everything is
Speaker 3: actual cases.
Speaker 4: We don't say allegedly.
Speaker 3: We're good. We're not going to get sued by one
Speaker 3: of the biggest corporations in the world. In fairness to Disney,
Speaker 3: the Orange County p emedics who would attend any emergency
Speaker 3: at Disneyland do have a clear policy that says, once
Speaker 3: life saving efforts have commenced, those efforts must continue until
Speaker 3: the patient has been transported to a medical facility, even
Speaker 3: if the patient is non responsive. Yeah. Right, So this
Speaker 3: policy might be impacting what people say about this, And
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe it's easy to make fun of Disney,
Speaker 3: like easy to have a rumor about Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's also the case anywhere. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be happy if, you know, a loved one had had,
Speaker 1: for instance, a heart attack at a movie theater, a
Speaker 1: movie cinema, and the paramedics just said, now there's no
Speaker 1: point taking to the hospital. I'm not ever going to
Speaker 1: try exactly.
Speaker 3: So it's easily proved that no one dies at Disney,
Speaker 3: simply an urban legend. But the truth of where the
Speaker 3: rumor started and some of the deaths that have occurred
Speaker 3: are much more interesting than the fiction. So we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about the death that's the story that sparked
Speaker 3: this rumor. Right on March seventh, nineteen eighty one, guests
Speaker 3: were streaming into the Zeeland for a private nighttime party
Speaker 3: held by Rohr R, a Californian aerospace company. There was
Speaker 3: around ten thousand people invited, made up of employees of
Speaker 3: the company, suppliers and their families. Among the guests was
Speaker 3: an excited Mail Yorber, the eighteen year old son of
Speaker 3: an Rohr employee. Yorba was lined up to ride the
Speaker 3: matter Horn, as were twenty eight year old James adriscul
Speaker 3: and his girlfriend Julie Holdner. While on the ride, Julie
Speaker 3: told her boyfriend that she had felt a man behind
Speaker 3: them in line pinch her bottom while they were queuing.
Speaker 3: Once they finished, the same reactions to her. Once they
Speaker 3: finished their ride, James adriscoll furiously searched the crowd and
Speaker 3: spotted Mel Yorba, who he believed was the person his
Speaker 3: girlfriend had identified. The men exchanged he caught up with
Speaker 3: Malney the Submarine Voyage ride. The men exchanged words and
Speaker 3: started to scuffle outside the ride. It appears that James
Speaker 3: Adriskol pulled a knife and during the argument, Yorba was
Speaker 3: stabbed in the heart. Oh my god, fram leaving him
Speaker 3: with virtually no chance.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Disney security rushed to the scene and they quickly called
Speaker 3: a Disney nurse me who I assumed wished to upon
Speaker 3: a star mean nurse, Disney nurse.
Speaker 1: We just need to say, nurse. That sounds very so unserious.
Speaker 3: According to media reports at the time, mel Yeorber may
Speaker 3: have been on the scene and injured for around twenty
Speaker 3: minutes before he was transported to the local Palm Harbor Hospital.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: James A. Driscol decided it was best to leave the scene,
Speaker 3: throwing the knife into the moat around Sleeping Beauty's Castle
Speaker 3: and discarding his blood soak shirt in women's restroom. He
Speaker 3: was caught by Disney security hiding in bushes near the castle.
Speaker 3: He and Julie were taking to Anaheim Police and arrested,
Speaker 3: and Julie was later released without chuch Wow. The controversy
Speaker 3: about this case initially stemmed from the decision made by
Speaker 3: Disney management not to call paramedics, but instead hansporught Melyorba
Speaker 3: from the scene in an unmarked Disneyland van with the
Speaker 3: nurse and security guard in the back with the victim.
Speaker 1: Oh God.
Speaker 3: The van contained no life saving equipment, and with no
Speaker 3: lights or sirens, it had no way to rush the
Speaker 3: young man to hospital. An Orange County coroner found that
Speaker 3: mel Yorba was in cardiac arrest when he arrived at
Speaker 3: the hospital and there was nothing that could be done
Speaker 3: to save his life. On the incident, Martel Thompson, the
Speaker 3: chief of the Anahan Fire Department, said, We've been talking
Speaker 3: to Disney about this for years. Something like this is
Speaker 3: pretty hard to swallow, especially when we have a station
Speaker 3: one minute away. Multiple Anaheim officials lamented the fact that
Speaker 3: Disneyland's reluctance to some and paramedics was based on the
Speaker 3: fear that the lights and sirens would damage the park's image.
Speaker 2: Yeah so.
Speaker 3: In the trial, James O'Driscoll claimed the stabbing was an accident.
Speaker 3: In his account, he did have a knife, but he
Speaker 3: didn't intend to stab yober Do you want to guess
Speaker 3: what he said?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I die no.
Speaker 3: He said, while they were fighting, you're befell onto the knife.
Speaker 1: He ran into my knife ten times, once.
Speaker 3: In the diaphragm. Oh my god, I wonder if this
Speaker 3: is where the guy from the High Country murders.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yeah. We've got to be careful with
Speaker 1: this because he's launching an appeal at the moment. But
Speaker 1: I've alway. Yeah, So that's a it's a line from
Speaker 1: Chicago the musical when he goes when she says, and
Speaker 1: then he ran into my knife. He ran into my
Speaker 1: knife ten That was legitimately the defense that Greg Lynn
Speaker 1: tried to use in his.
Speaker 3: Insame with this guy. This guy accidentally ran into my
Speaker 3: knife and was stubbed in the heart and the.
Speaker 1: Living, all different places.
Speaker 3: So James A. Driscal was found a guilty of second
Speaker 3: degree murder and sentenced to sixteen years in prison.
Speaker 1: The degree. They believe some kind of accident was involved.
Speaker 2: All again.
Speaker 3: So the family of Meliorba sued Disney Cooperation for sixty
Speaker 3: million dollars. The suit charged that Disney failed to provide
Speaker 3: the youth with the adequate emergency medical treatment. The suit
Speaker 3: asserted that Disney refused to someone outside paramedics to help
Speaker 3: the victim, and instead relied on its own staff to
Speaker 3: care for and transport mister Yorber to hospital. Mel's mother
Speaker 3: was quoted as saying, they had an opportunity to make
Speaker 3: this incident less severe by giving adequate medical attention to
Speaker 3: my boy after the fight, But they made a conscious
Speaker 3: decision long ago that they don't want ambulances or flashing
Speaker 3: sirens around to shatter their image.
Speaker 1: It's hard to argue that, isn't it Like, it's hard
Speaker 1: to kind of yeah, yeah, understand why they didn't.
Speaker 3: So Disney Dane denied that it avoided paramedics to protect
Speaker 3: its image. That has never been and never will be
Speaker 3: the case, said the park spokesman, Bob Roth.
Speaker 1: Did they say why they didn't call an ambulance then
Speaker 1: didn't know? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: The Superior Court ruled that Disney employee contributed to the
Speaker 3: death of Maluba by ignoring park rules to call a
Speaker 3: paramedic in case of serious injury.
Speaker 1: The Disneyland nurse Disneyland better than Disney nurse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Elizabeth Miko, testified that she decided to take your
Speaker 3: to a hospital in a Park fan because of an
Speaker 3: unwritten policy not to call outside paramedics, right, okay, an
Speaker 3: unwritten policy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's unwritten, which means they can't go look
Speaker 1: at this policy. We can sue.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a very colorful unicorn that he's playing quiet.
Speaker 3: The family's attorney, though, introduced a document from the Park
Speaker 3: that said professional paramedics should be cared called for the
Speaker 3: life if you destroying literally, Diggs, come on right.
Speaker 4: In the crime. It's not right what you've done.
Speaker 2: It's crook what you've done. It's crook what you've done.
Speaker 3: And play with Julia. So John Aludo introduced a Park
Speaker 3: document saying that professional paramedics should be called for the
Speaker 3: treatment of life threatening injuries, but the nurse said she
Speaker 3: had never seen that policy. Oh so, how much did
Speaker 3: you hang on?
Speaker 1: How can a nurse not have seen like all the policies.
Speaker 3: So you can see why this is the case that
Speaker 3: started the room. Yeah, so the family. How much did
Speaker 3: the family suit for.
Speaker 1: Sixty million?
Speaker 3: The family awarded six hundred thousand dollars in damages, to
Speaker 3: which the mother said, we knew, we owed it to
Speaker 3: mel to have this case brought out. So it cannot
Speaker 3: happen to anybody else.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Because of the very public nature of this incident and
Speaker 3: subsequent civil claim, it is widely believed that this is
Speaker 3: the case that started the rumor that no one dies
Speaker 3: a Disney WoT.
Speaker 1: As well, because there's no way I suppose of proving
Speaker 1: or knowing whether he would have died had he gone
Speaker 1: in an ambulance anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, in major organs very well, it
Speaker 6: may have died, which is probably I'm thinking what the
Speaker 6: argument for the six hundred thousand dollars settlement may have
Speaker 6: been that there is no proof that that.
Speaker 3: Was the reason. Approximate not approximate.
Speaker 1: Cause yes, yep, ipproximate in proximicproximate if you will, magistrate.
Speaker 4: But people have died.
Speaker 3: At Disneyland over the years, and we're going to have
Speaker 3: a look at some.
Speaker 4: Of those deaths.
Speaker 1: Good really gladlifting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the numbers, Disney has had ninety six reported fatalities
Speaker 3: at their theme parks.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not that.
Speaker 2: Ninety six doesn't seem as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just think how many people go through their
Speaker 1: gates every day. There are so many part there's what
Speaker 1: France Hong Kong, Tokyo, Florida, Anaheim.
Speaker 2: Don't look at me.
Speaker 3: You're like, you're like the penguins in Madagascar that you're like,
Speaker 3: that's a number we can live with. Ninety six.
Speaker 1: It's ninety six more than I would like to have
Speaker 1: died anywhere. But I feel like, yeah, but the people
Speaker 1: that go through there every day.
Speaker 5: And people have probably died at andre Real concerts, true.
Speaker 1: Julia, just right, he looked at something and.
Speaker 3: Goes, how did your brain get there?
Speaker 4: Is that because they're older?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's always there's always paramedics at andre Real concert
Speaker 5: And are you are you?
Speaker 3: Are you oldest out of me? Just no, you ages?
Speaker 4: Just the word I was looking.
Speaker 3: Oldest is not the right red the oldest, the older brother,
Speaker 3: Oh dear so. By the numbers, Disney's had ninety six
Speaker 3: reported fatalities at their Being parks. Twenty one of the
Speaker 3: deaths were employees, the remaining being guests. Interestingly, only fourteen
Speaker 3: percent of the deaths have resulted in settled lawsuits, and
Speaker 3: the largest was a twenty five million dollar pay out
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Whoo.
Speaker 3: The Disney's first fatal accident was in May nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 3: a fifteen year old boy was injured after he stood
Speaker 3: up in the made horn bob sleds and fell out.
Speaker 3: Oh god. It was reported that his restraints were undone
Speaker 3: by his ride companions and this was a dare. He
Speaker 3: died three days later as a result of injured.
Speaker 1: So it didn't die out Disney, No, it died Jsney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it fascinating. Many of the fatal accidents at
Speaker 3: Disney have been as a result of guests acting recklessly
Speaker 3: on the following run. So in June nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 3: a nineteen year old man was killed while attempting to
Speaker 3: sneak into the park by climbing onto the monorail track,
Speaker 3: ignoring a security officer shouted warning that the monorail was coming.
Speaker 3: He was struck by the train and dragged forty meters
Speaker 3: down the train. Then, in nineteen sixty six, an eighteen
Speaker 3: year old man and his ten year old brother stayed
Speaker 3: on Tom Sawyer's Island past closing time by hiding in
Speaker 3: an area that's off limits to guests. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Later that night, they left the island and tried to
Speaker 3: swim away the river, but the young boy didn't know
Speaker 3: how to swim.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So he.
Speaker 3: Climbed onto his older brother's back, and his older brother
Speaker 3: drowned halfway across.
Speaker 4: His body was.
Speaker 3: Found the next morning, and the young brother was able
Speaker 3: to stay afloat by dog paddling until a ride operator
Speaker 3: rescued them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is horrific.
Speaker 3: Happiest place on Earth. Oh sorry. So some of the
Speaker 3: deaths have been ruled natural causes, such as Caleb Graves,
Speaker 3: who died after running the Disneyland Halloween half marathon in
Speaker 3: one hundred degree heat. Reportedly, he clutched his chest shortly
Speaker 3: after he crossed the finish line and passed away despite
Speaker 3: receiving immediate medical care.
Speaker 1: That's like natural causes and running a half marathon in
Speaker 1: one hundred degree heats to feel not maybe exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing. Natural causes are heart attack, yes, but a
Speaker 1: heart attack yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 3: In August nineteen seventy four, a thirty one year old
Speaker 3: woman became sick after riding Space Mountain, Oh Lucky, escaped
Speaker 3: for you jail, and was unable to exit the vehicle.
Speaker 3: Oh God. Employers told her to stay seated while the
Speaker 3: vehicles removed from the track, but other ride o prays
Speaker 3: did not hear that conversation and accidentally sent her through
Speaker 3: the rider second time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: She arrived at the unloading zaying this time semi conscious.
Speaker 3: She was taken to Palm Harbor Hospital, where she remained
Speaker 3: in a coma and died a week later.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The coroner's report attributed her death to natural causes because
Speaker 3: a heart chemmer had dislodged on lost on the ride
Speaker 3: and had entered her brain.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is horrific.
Speaker 3: But you never went on Space Mountain.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. There was someone looking out for me.
Speaker 1: I've never been on like I've been to Disneyland a
Speaker 1: home since, and I didn't go on Space Mountain. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, some high cause Waltz is looking down on me.
Speaker 3: When you were saying before about Space Mountain, I was like,
Speaker 3: just wait. In March nine eighty four, a forty eight
Speaker 3: year old woman was decapitated when she was thrown from
Speaker 3: a mate horn bob sled and struck by an oncoming
Speaker 3: bob slead.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: An investigation found that her seat belt was not buckled.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Witnesses state that there was an argument between her and
Speaker 3: her companion, and she said she did not need to
Speaker 3: fasten her seat belt.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Despite that, Disney settled the family for an undisclosed amount.
Speaker 3: So some of the deaths were not as a result
Speaker 3: of natural causes or as the result of the vault
Speaker 3: of a visitor. A thirty three year old man was
Speaker 3: struck by a heavy metal cleat that should have been
Speaker 3: fastened to the hull of the sailing ship Columbia.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The normal thie line, which was a hemp rope designed
Speaker 3: to break during a show, was improperly replaced by a cheaper,
Speaker 3: elastic nylon rope Oh god, that stretched instead of breaking
Speaker 3: and tore the cleat from the ships wooden hull. Oh
Speaker 3: A tour loose flew through the air and struck one
Speaker 3: cast member and two guests. The victim died of a
Speaker 3: head injury at UCI Medical Center two days later.
Speaker 1: Was that a guest or the cast member was the
Speaker 1: cast member not.
Speaker 3: On Disney property?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: The case was the largest settlement Disney has paid to date. Wow,
Speaker 3: they admitted fault and settled for an amount estimated at
Speaker 3: twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: Doesn't bring back a life, does it.
Speaker 3: No. Disney was also fined by the Occupational Safety and
Speaker 3: Health Association OSHA for the stunning amount of twelve five
Speaker 3: hundred dollars for improperly training the employee.
Speaker 4: He tied the rope. That's it.
Speaker 1: Twelve thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Twelve five hundred dollars. They were fine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: After this instant, Disney reinstated lead foreman on most rides. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they allowed the Anaheim Police Department to place our
Speaker 3: plane clothes officers in the park to speed responses.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So since nineteen ninety eight, that's it. So this was
Speaker 3: the first guest death on Disneyland property that was not
Speaker 3: attributal to any negligence on the part of a guest
Speaker 3: or a character.
Speaker 1: It was purely the fault of the of the park.
Speaker 4: Park.
Speaker 3: In two thousand, a twenty three year old woman exited
Speaker 3: the Indiana James Right complaining of a severe headache. She
Speaker 3: was hospitalized later that day and was discovered to have
Speaker 3: suffered a brain hemorrhage.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: She died on September one, two thousand, of cerebral aneurysm
Speaker 3: Oh god, I can say that, but not productivity. Her
Speaker 3: family's subsequent wrongful death lawsuit against Disney actually changed the
Speaker 3: way Disney is viewed in legal terms.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about aneurysms, but I didn't think
Speaker 1: there were particularly able to kind of pinpoint the momental
Speaker 1: reason someone gets Oh yeah, no, it sounds like in
Speaker 1: this case they have.
Speaker 3: Maybe so her family's wrongful guests to it changed the
Speaker 3: way Disney was viewed as an organization by the California
Speaker 3: Supreme Court. So in the California Supreme Court, in an appeal,
Speaker 3: they held that amusement parks are considered common carriers, and
Speaker 3: other businesses that fall into the category of common carriers
Speaker 3: are planes, trains, elevators, and ski lifts. So what that
Speaker 3: mean is that Disneyland was held to higher duty of
Speaker 3: care and she should be judged accordingly.
Speaker 1: Right, and they know they're caring for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: So you've got it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah, they seemilar to a plane, yes, yep.
Speaker 3: So they settled this case for an undisclosed amount. In
Speaker 3: two thousand and three, a twenty two year old man
Speaker 3: died after suffering severe blunt force trauma and extensive internal
Speaker 3: bleeding in a derailment of a roller coaster that also
Speaker 3: injured ten other roles. Oh good, this was the you
Speaker 3: know the one that's the train currently what it's called.
Speaker 3: As the train entered a tar and all the axle
Speaker 3: came loose and jammed against a brake section, causing the
Speaker 3: locomotive to become airborne, flip and hit the ceiling of
Speaker 3: the tunnel.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: The locomotive then fell on top of the first passenger car.
Speaker 1: Was that the ghost train that haunted House Train one?
Speaker 3: No, I can't. It's like a Western style one right
Speaker 3: where you go flye around the corner and it looks
Speaker 3: like you're going to go to a broken part of
Speaker 3: the track.
Speaker 1: Oh okay.
Speaker 3: So the investigation revealed that the cause of the accident
Speaker 3: was improper maintenance, and Disney settled for an undisclosed amount.
Speaker 3: They were not fined by WHOA. Then there was an
Speaker 3: incident called the Monorail incident in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: During a failed track switch over from the Epcot Line
Speaker 3: onto the Magic Kingdom Express Line, Montoreil Pink backed into
Speaker 3: Monarel Purple, killing Monrel Purples twenty one year old pilot.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 3: An investigation by the National Transportation Safety Bureau showed no
Speaker 3: mechanical problems with the train or track, but did find
Speaker 3: that the track used in the switchover was not in
Speaker 3: its proper place during the transition. It was also noted
Speaker 3: that Purple's pilot desperately attempted to reverse his train when
Speaker 3: he saw that there was going to be a collision.
Speaker 3: Disney settled for the family with an undisclosed amount, and
Speaker 3: on this occasion OSHA ruled the crash preventable and find
Speaker 3: Disney forty four thousand dollars forty.
Speaker 1: Four thousands of someone's death.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what I've learned messaging this is thatsher.
Speaker 3: Don't charge fine, no terrible. So in twenty sixteen, a
Speaker 3: two year old boy was attacked by an alligator at
Speaker 3: nine to fifteen pm on the shore of the Seven
Speaker 3: Seas Lagoon.
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god.
Speaker 2: J Morehen we started this in scott So this is
Speaker 2: a light one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a light it's a light one.
Speaker 1: The news last time we spoke about a murder. Down
Speaker 1: before that we spoke about a murder. Don't worry.
Speaker 4: This is a bit more.
Speaker 1: Finn flight of one two year old got eaten by
Speaker 1: Rocke Disneyland get out christ Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So his parents' success unsuccessfully tried to intervene.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, get off there, Get.
Speaker 3: Off there, right, Yeah, he's like he smiled at me.
Speaker 3: And alligator that's true, are they they're the ones you
Speaker 3: see later?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was very good.
Speaker 3: So the boy, the boy was pulled into the water.
Speaker 3: His body was found the following afternoon in the vicinity
Speaker 3: of where he went missing, in about six feet.
Speaker 1: Of water the following afternoon.
Speaker 3: So since then, since the incident, Disney has installed rope
Speaker 3: barriers around the waterways.
Speaker 2: Rope barriers don't have alligators there.
Speaker 3: And has added warning signs that there may be alligators.
Speaker 1: I mean there are maybe there are alligators. There may
Speaker 1: be oh my god.
Speaker 3: There was no public lawsuit, and it is believe that
Speaker 3: Disney settled privately with the family. There was no fine by.
Speaker 1: Ocean What what what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: What do you mean they couldn't find them because they
Speaker 3: weren't responsible for the animal. That wasn't an animal that
Speaker 3: belonged to Disney.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's just an animal that happens to
Speaker 1: be in the like it can it can get there
Speaker 1: from outside.
Speaker 3: The park Disney and in Florida of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, right, So it's not like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they haven't put disney World World is Florida. They haven't
Speaker 1: put alligators in the motor of a right.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's right, they haven't done right. Okay, but
Speaker 3: what I've written here is I'm going to end on
Speaker 3: a slightly more positive Nope, but I'm not sure that's
Speaker 3: I don't know. Fourth and last, Oh gosh, okay. For
Speaker 3: many years, Disney's partner with a charity called Give Kids
Speaker 3: the World.
Speaker 4: It digs you're right, which.
Speaker 2: Amazing. Yeah, that's here we goes.
Speaker 3: Come mate, no one's paying attention to me. You've been
Speaker 3: here for ages. So Disney's created a village in Florida
Speaker 3: specifically designed to provide critically ill children and their families
Speaker 3: cost free, week long vacations. Oh The village has special
Speaker 3: amenities designed to support kids, spaces for their healthy siblings,
Speaker 3: and twenty four hour support for their parents, as well
Speaker 3: as on site attractions. A visit to Give Kids the
Speaker 3: World includes a special past to disney World. Disney World Florida.
Speaker 3: Wish families receive a GK t W button to wear,
Speaker 3: which provides fast access to all rides and a special
Speaker 3: lounge where all food and drink is free, and there
Speaker 3: are special mid and groups with the Disney characters.
Speaker 1: That's lovely. So it's like in Australia, make a wish foundation.
Speaker 1: Yeah's specifically a Disney one to be able to go
Speaker 1: to Disney World.
Speaker 3: What no, no, we're not finished. So in two thousand
Speaker 3: and six, Rami Maswara, a six year old boy who
Speaker 3: had terminal metatastic slung spine and adominal cancer.
Speaker 1: I don't finish this.
Speaker 3: He was very was very excited to travel from Israel
Speaker 3: to Florida. Oh my God, to fulfill a wish to
Speaker 3: visit and he had a great time. Disney paid for
Speaker 3: he and his family's travel from Israel in especially set
Speaker 3: up jet to ensure that he had a safe trip.
Speaker 3: On the eighth of August, he excitedly started his day
Speaker 3: with his parents riding the Teacups, the Jungle Cruise and more. Sorry,
Speaker 3: the dog's just coming over.
Speaker 1: He can feel our anxiety.
Speaker 3: His father knew Space Mountain was the ride that Rami
Speaker 3: was looking forward to most, and so they saved it
Speaker 3: until the end of the day. After they have enjoyed
Speaker 3: a delicious lunch at the g at W Club, Rami
Speaker 3: and his father boarded Space Mountain at around two pm
Speaker 3: at some point during the ride, Rami lost consciousness. He
Speaker 3: was treated on site by Disney staff, and on this occasion,
Speaker 3: an ambulance was called immediately. Rami was taken at Celebration
Speaker 3: Hospital in under ten minutes, but he never regained consciousness,
Speaker 3: and he died late on August eighth, two thousand.
Speaker 1: And Oh my god.
Speaker 3: His death was ruled as natural causes and the family
Speaker 3: took no action against Disney. His father stated that his
Speaker 3: son had died with his dream coming true in the
Speaker 3: happiest place on earth. And that's your more fun story
Speaker 3: about that's at Disneyland. Yeah, thanks for having me for
Speaker 3: the last time.
Speaker 5: Thanks for doing having for the last time.
Speaker 2: That's okay, well, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: What I will say about Ramy at the end is
Speaker 1: what a beautiful thing for the pure Yeah, look at it.
Speaker 3: Try a beautiful thing form like he he got to
Speaker 3: go on the ride that he loved the most. All
Speaker 3: that happened for him. All that he knows is he
Speaker 3: lost consciousness during that's literally his dream was coming true.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for telling us about the
Speaker 2: death of Disney Landscape.
Speaker 3: Almost I haven't known you for that long, and I've
Speaker 3: been to one of your shows, and I find you
Speaker 3: a reasonably sincere person. That is the most instance.
Speaker 4: That like a question, you.
Speaker 1: Were so quiet in that after start.
Speaker 4: Shouted out time, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I mean thank you. I think thank you
Speaker 1: for bringing us a story, thank you for doing some research.
Speaker 1: I think we can both.
Speaker 4: Agree that yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, time, could you please to murder?
Speaker 1: Oh no, you think there's going to be the next time?
Speaker 1: That's oh my god. I'm interested to hear any listeners
Speaker 1: stories about their like their stories from Disney, Disneyland is
Speaker 1: the world, wherever it might be, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe we would like opened up a can of worms
Speaker 1: now about people's traumatic experience when I have been there,
Speaker 1: but the time in Paris when someone was arrested.
Speaker 2: I've never been.
Speaker 1: It's so happy.
Speaker 3: When we came out of Space Mountain that day as
Speaker 3: we started walking out because you know, you don't know,
Speaker 3: sorry because you have been on it.
Speaker 1: But it's very gay, nice, my friend, it's.
Speaker 3: Really inside, right, so you come out. We came out
Speaker 3: and it was glorious sunshine and it started snowing because
Speaker 3: it was winter in Japan, and it was quite magical.
Speaker 1: That it's magic Okay, I love Disney. I'm not like,
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, a quote unquote Disney adult. You know,
Speaker 1: people like Disney adults. I'm not that I'm not obsessed
Speaker 1: with Disney, but I just like, I've got beautiful memories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have any friends to capitate. No one's
Speaker 3: been taken away.
Speaker 1: From Ruined again. Thanks to see you guys.
Speaker 3: It's been nice.