WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR EXIT INTERVIEWS: Week 8

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 2>Last deep their line Welcome back to TV Reload. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to

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<v Speaker 2>I'll make sure you feel as included in the production

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<v Speaker 2>of this show as I possibly can. On today's podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>I have this week's booted castaways from Australian Survivor Heroes

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<v Speaker 2>Versus Villains and what a shock to see Simon Me

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<v Speaker 2>and Nina Twine snuff their torches and join the final

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<v Speaker 2>jury council. With only two episodes left and a finale

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<v Speaker 2>upon us. There is a lot to unpack with these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Simon was an underdog the whole way through the competition,

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<v Speaker 2>and with so much support from fans and multiple storylines

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<v Speaker 2>going on, I simply can't wait to hear what Simon

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<v Speaker 2>has to say. Simon will talk about his ability to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going while all the odds were against him. We

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about Simon's frustrations with George and how he

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<v Speaker 2>kept his cool, and Simon will also openly discuss his

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<v Speaker 2>alpha male status and why he isn't afraid to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Nina will then join me to discuss her family ties

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<v Speaker 2>to Survivor and what her mom thought of her time

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<v Speaker 2>back on the show. Nina will talk about her alliances

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<v Speaker 2>and why she is frustrated with some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't see from her earlier work on the Original

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<v Speaker 2>Heroes Tribe. I'll even find out what Nina thought might

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<v Speaker 2>have happened in Blood Versus Water had she not been injured. Plus,

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<v Speaker 2>we will get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>from both Simon and Nina, including some interesting takes on

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<v Speaker 2>the seventh week of Australian Survivor Heroes Versus Villains which

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<v Speaker 2>you could now catch up on on ten play. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring Simon into the podcast. I'm a huge Simon

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<v Speaker 2>fan and I hope you enjoy his insights into the

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<v Speaker 2>way in which his journey evolved on the most exciting

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<v Speaker 2>series of Australian Survivor yet. I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>what a crazy ride this series has been for you

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<v Speaker 2>compared to last time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just a crazy place that I found myself in.

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<v Speaker 1>To make it as far as I did in the

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<v Speaker 1>way that I did is just blown my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>How have you felt watching it back?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm exhausted. I am well and truly exhausted because that

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<v Speaker 1>rollercoaster that I was on. I felt every and relived

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<v Speaker 1>every moment that I did out there. I had some

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<v Speaker 1>huge highs and some huge lows. Everything I tried to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything I touched turned to ash, Like it was just

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<v Speaker 1>so heartbreaking, like I couldn't get anything right, but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stop trying. I definitely found out how resilient I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really powerful and I think it's really

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<v Speaker 2>important to never give up. I think that inspires us

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<v Speaker 2>all to like when things keep going to shit, you

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<v Speaker 2>just got to keep trying new things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really feel for like my poor mother and

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<v Speaker 1>like everyone else who's really been in my corner from

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<v Speaker 1>the start, because it has not been easy for him

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it all back. But it is so important.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at the end of the days, it is a game,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just a game, but I love it so

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<v Speaker 1>much and it means so much to me. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was never just going to roll over and die. And

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<v Speaker 1>you still have to have some fun like on the

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<v Speaker 1>way through, so you have to be resilient, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of just come up with another plan. I

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<v Speaker 1>just had to keep going. I had to find a

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<v Speaker 1>way to keep going. And like I had nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>like a grab, that was any like any consistency. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all just literally just falling through my fingertips. It

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<v Speaker 1>was hilarious to you to watch it all back, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, when is something going to go right for me?

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<v Speaker 1>But it's almost made it to the final five and

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<v Speaker 1>it ends up being a non a limits like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just such a I don't know. It just goes to

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<v Speaker 1>show that it wasn't meant to be. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, it was someone out there was looking out

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>How does Season one Simon Me compare to Season two,

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<v Speaker 2>will you go back and be like, I'm never watching

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<v Speaker 2>Brains versus broad again, Like, what's the relationship you've got

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<v Speaker 2>mentally with both seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never watched Braun back again. I just wind

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<v Speaker 1>my Oh. I watched it through once. It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>I just find it, like it's so cringe worthy just

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<v Speaker 1>watching watching myself on TV in general, and I know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's funny, like some of the stuff that came

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<v Speaker 1>out of my mouth and the edit that I got.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'd played this game even if it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>on TV, and it wasn't you know, it wasn't recorded

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<v Speaker 1>and broadcast to the nation. So yeah, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>funny thing to be a part of, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to watch because I see this person and this character

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<v Speaker 1>and I want them to succeed. I want the best

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<v Speaker 1>for them, and it's really hard watching them fail and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fall to the ground, flood on their face

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<v Speaker 1>with their hands tied behind their back, but seeing that

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<v Speaker 1>person like get up and keep trying, like I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>proud of that person at the same time. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of what I did and what I achieved

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<v Speaker 1>and just did it in a way that I never

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would have been possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had tears in my eyes when you were eliminated.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see it coming. It was always in my

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<v Speaker 2>vision board that you would be there, right, and I

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<v Speaker 2>kept vision boarding it to the point where I believed

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<v Speaker 2>my own lies and I was like, Simon will be

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<v Speaker 2>in the finale. And then when you left, I literally

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<v Speaker 2>was sitting there on the couch with tears in my eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>and my best friend, who doesn't watch the show, looked

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<v Speaker 2>at me and was like, do you think you're too

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<v Speaker 2>invested in this show?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It was just like it was just crazy, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you manage to keep scraping through and keep

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<v Speaker 1>on getting by, and yeah, it got to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where I was I believe that if I could just

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<v Speaker 1>scrape through a couple more than I have a real

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<v Speaker 1>crack at winning this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>People want to go back on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you have a postgame conversation last time and

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<v Speaker 2>did they say to you, mate, we're going to reinvest

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<v Speaker 2>in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>There wasn't. There wasn't a direct one. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best things that probably could have happened to me

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<v Speaker 1>was to go home with two lights. Just a really

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<v Speaker 1>easy storyline for people to be like, hey, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who went home with two idols and you know

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't make merge and now he's got back for revenge.

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<v Speaker 1>It just it felt like it was going to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't even need to manifest it into reality.

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<v Speaker 1>So on a long enough scale of time that would

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<v Speaker 1>have come to fruition, which is which you can't say

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone. So that's kind of really cool there, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just timing's kind of worked out, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the season was there, and opportunity to be a villain

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<v Speaker 1>like that was just just fun. So I threw myself

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<v Speaker 1>into it and the rest is history.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you try and do differently this time around?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't know if you've listened to my podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've sort of said a few things about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, Simon doesn't really feel to me like

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to do anything that different, Like he's still

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<v Speaker 2>bossing everyone around at the start, and.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to take control.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, are you literally just turning up on this

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<v Speaker 2>show doing the exact same thing and hoping it sticks better.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your relationship with that? Do you feel like you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do things differently.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to do some things differently, but I some

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<v Speaker 1>things I didn't like. I still played with passion. I

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<v Speaker 1>still played with my heart on my sleeve. And you

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<v Speaker 1>leant into the game and made the most of the experience.

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<v Speaker 1>The big thing for me coming in was like just

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<v Speaker 1>setting things up. I needed the tribe voting unanimously at

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<v Speaker 1>the start. I worked over time to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really care who was going home as long

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<v Speaker 1>as it was on the returning. At the start, I

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<v Speaker 1>just needed to kind of like get in with everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't feel like I was. I was like

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<v Speaker 1>embossy like as as such, Like I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>people feel empowered and included, and I made sure I

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<v Speaker 1>had it like a personal relationship with everyone, and they

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<v Speaker 1>did end up end up seeing that where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you look like I am, and they'll look

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<v Speaker 1>the way I do, and you you know, everyone's pushing

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<v Speaker 1>you into that leadership position. And when you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>job to do, like when you're making the shelter and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, this guy's played before, this guy's a chippy,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone else is running off and doing having you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stratchats from day one, it's like, just get in and

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<v Speaker 1>get it done. Like those cards are up in your hand.

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<v Speaker 1>You just got to play with it, deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So everyone automatically thought I was the leader. Geordie's pushing

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<v Speaker 1>me into that position as well, and you just you

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<v Speaker 1>just have to like try to bring people up and

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<v Speaker 1>bring them along with you and make them feeling included

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<v Speaker 1>as best you can. So yeah, like I did a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of little like different things there, but like when

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<v Speaker 1>the tribe I was on, I didn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of options, Like it just was was forced that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just have to do what you can to

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<v Speaker 1>the best of your ability. It set me up well

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<v Speaker 1>enough to have it all fall apart in my hands,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the cookie idol might have had something

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<v Speaker 1>to do with that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Non negotiable was you know, leaving with any idols like

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<v Speaker 2>just cannot do that. But I felt like with that

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<v Speaker 2>cookie idol, they do you feel like this as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like they've kind of set you up?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, you have to really think about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it didn't come with instructions. It was fair

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<v Speaker 2>to believe it was an idol, and it was fair

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<v Speaker 2>to see that, it was fair to say that you

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<v Speaker 2>were going.

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<v Speaker 3>To find it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that they knew that you had a

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<v Speaker 2>strange past relationship with idols and set you up to

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<v Speaker 2>have a bit of a I guess a cafuckus with

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<v Speaker 2>that whole thing. Ah, yes, in a word, o't a word,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah so in a word.

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<v Speaker 1>Aha. Look, but I do feel like you know that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was meant to happen, And I kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're wishing, you're always hoping you find an idol,

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<v Speaker 1>but like God was haunting me in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. But let's just say I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>was helped over the line with the survivor gods because

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely had questions around what is this, like the

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<v Speaker 1>green official emblem, that had to be something important, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's not just a clue, Like that's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>something more. If you had found it in the rice

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<v Speaker 1>or the beans like Ben did, like one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon like there's something else to it there, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're not having any paperwork and nothing, you know, nothing there,

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<v Speaker 1>but still finding in a reward there was enough things

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of put me on the fence and get

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<v Speaker 1>me excited about that there's still enough red flags. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I just had enough of a nudge in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction to then be like, Okay, it is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, this is happening, and all my questions were

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<v Speaker 1>put to rest and we were on from there and

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<v Speaker 1>got it made for some entertaining TV, didn't it, Because

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, what you can't You can't script that,

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<v Speaker 1>just watch it all happen around me. I just couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it, Like it was so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I called it Shakespearean because like, you're right, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have scripted that. But talking about scripting things, my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>Simon moment, favorite for you for the season was you

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<v Speaker 2>rewording your Batman quote. I just thought that was so

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<v Speaker 2>good because in my mind, if you've been on reality TV,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter who you are, and you'll lie to yourself

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<v Speaker 2>about this, but you always think I'll go back the

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<v Speaker 2>first time around, you don't really know reality television, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you go back and watch it and it all

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<v Speaker 2>seems like you could probably control things a little bit better. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your relationship with scripting some things? Because some

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<v Speaker 2>of your quotes are phenomenal and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it came out really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you thinking that before going into the show, that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to script things in your own mind and

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<v Speaker 2>come out with these one liners.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, there are little bits and pieces. Yeah, like I

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<v Speaker 1>know that, you know, you got to lean into the theme, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like heroes, it's such a fun theme. It's being villains,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's permission to have fun with that. In my

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<v Speaker 1>opening interview, I gave that you that one liner saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know in Survivor and for me, it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>start as a villain. So I flipped it on purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>like the game of Survivor, you know, you either die

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<v Speaker 1>villain or you live long enough to see something come

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<v Speaker 1>a hero because the hero always wins, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's always. And then like in my opening chat,

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<v Speaker 1>the producer actually asked me to flip it around the

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<v Speaker 1>other way. Can we get both lines? So that was

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<v Speaker 1>like before the game started and stuff like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then like just in that moment, I actually I heard George,

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<v Speaker 1>like George would edit himself all the time, just out

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<v Speaker 1>there like in the middle of the senses, just stop

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<v Speaker 1>and go again. And it's like I just had this realization.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we are not like making TV at times

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And then like, let screw it up that line,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I was excited. I was excited to

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<v Speaker 1>say it, like you know it kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>timing felt right, and yeah, we actually we had a

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<v Speaker 1>moment where the audio was kind of was lost and

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<v Speaker 1>we you know, did that that kind of happened. Happened again,

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<v Speaker 1>but like just at that moment was there and like

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<v Speaker 1>it just it happened, and like as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>screwed it up, I'm like, oh my god, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'll just do it again. I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>go for it again and think that they'll edit it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And god, it was just one of like the comedic

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<v Speaker 1>gold pieces that like stayed in there, and like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just you know that all the kerfuffles that left

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<v Speaker 1>in that made my characters so enjoyable. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that kind of it's a little bit endearing

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I was trying so hard and you

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<v Speaker 1>see you fail, Like it is a nice kind of

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<v Speaker 1>new balance to see, I don't know, to see like

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<v Speaker 1>the alpha male like not just have all the success

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. So that's kind of like a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little balance there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking about being the alpha male, then you would

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<v Speaker 2>cry did you get a lot of feedback on that

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<v Speaker 2>from the online community, because inside the show it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like people are like, oh my god, it's Simon crying.

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<v Speaker 3>Where the audience loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>This game means something to me, Like I care about

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<v Speaker 1>it and you've got nothing else like stimulating you and

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<v Speaker 1>like you the only twenty four people who get a

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<v Speaker 1>crack at that. Just be in it, be invested, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you've given up so much to be there, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you not? And like, yeah, I am an emotional person.

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<v Speaker 1>I do wear my heart on my sleeve. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>one comment I read on Reddit was like, once you see,

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<v Speaker 1>once you realize that Simon is just a nerd stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in a jock's body, you will never watch the show

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. And I've never felt more understood.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an amazing quality. I think that you have.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of stuff was all a part of how

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<v Speaker 2>you endeared yourself to the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, that's just me, Like I wear

0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.640
<v Speaker 1>my heart on my sleeve. I am, I am passionate,

0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I am emotional. I do cry quite a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>my in my real, real, real life. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to be in touch with your emotions and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of breaks down a few stereotypes as well,

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<v Speaker 1>like being someone being an awful looking male, like it

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<v Speaker 1>is important to being in touch with that. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's who I am. So that was not ever a ploy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's raw.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you can't fake that. I mean, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't fake that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't fake that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you watch people cry on reality TV, when they're

0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.360
<v Speaker 2>trying to cry, there's never any tears where with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very authentic moment, and that's where reality

0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.560
<v Speaker 2>TV works the best, is when you're connecting to something

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<v Speaker 2>on television that you genuinely believe that you're getting that

0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:02.960
<v Speaker 2>fly in the wall moment.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an additional scene on templay that got uploaded last

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<v Speaker 1>night and it's like, you know, Simon Simon says, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like it's Simon as well, that we're just living

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and Liz gives a confessional where she's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a little bit shocked that like Simon's won

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<v Speaker 1>this immunity challenge and he's crying. She's like she just

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<v Speaker 1>like didn't get it, and like I get it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're not like you know, you don't come out as

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, as a first timer, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't watched a bunch of before, it doesn't mean as

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<v Speaker 1>much to you. She was very confused by why I

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<v Speaker 1>was so emotional about winning an immunity necklace, and but

0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.440
<v Speaker 1>she didn't have the context about what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>have this once in a lifetime opportunity and what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to be there, and what it meant to me

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<v Speaker 1>and my journey growing up as a as a kid

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<v Speaker 1>watching Suvivor, Like I watched the US ones as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, as a ten year old, I loved

0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the challenges. That's why I fell in love with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I came to fall in love with a strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>the social side of things. So that was just such

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<v Speaker 1>a wholesome moment for me. But if you don't understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't kind of get it there. And so like

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<v Speaker 1>I really having that opportunity and being a fan, I

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<v Speaker 1>always felt like I've got to make the most of

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<v Speaker 1>being out there and represent all the people on the

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<v Speaker 1>couch who have applied or wanted to go at this game,

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<v Speaker 1>and to appreciate it in the moment because like all

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<v Speaker 1>these new players and you know, you go out there,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a new appreciation for it, but only after

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<v Speaker 1>the fact. It's like, this is your moment. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>are here, now, do not waste this, And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you come out and so many people like, yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to return. I can't wait to return, being like

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<v Speaker 1>you just missed your opportunity, Like that was that was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But you know, I'm not a psychologist. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to try and step around this as best I can.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as you represented the alpha male, you then

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<v Speaker 2>showed a sensitivity that is related to being female, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that was the opposite for Liz, Like I think

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing happened where she's this beautiful woman, but

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<v Speaker 2>then she had some alpha male tendencies about her. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just packaging things up differently and showing how far we've

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<v Speaker 2>come in twenty twenty three that what you see is

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<v Speaker 2>not always what you get.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a beautiful part of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>is right. You get a you get such a cross

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<v Speaker 1>section of society and people from such different backgrounds and

0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.240
<v Speaker 1>views on it all like it it's really incredible. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been blown away by Liz and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she could be so blunt, so sharp and just call

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<v Speaker 1>a spade a spade and tell her tell us how

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<v Speaker 1>it was, and complain about food and complain about me

0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.560
<v Speaker 1>and her. Oh you can play about other people but

0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.760
<v Speaker 1>just be so blunt and thought about it and be

0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>able to get away with it. And it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just such a weird dynamic, and the dynamic of

0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:52.600
<v Speaker 1>people changes every time, because that in twenty sixteen Liz

0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.440
<v Speaker 1>would have been like a first boot, but you know it,

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<v Speaker 1>it changes so much the people that are out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and how like you know that cross section of society

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<v Speaker 1>when they come together, like you kind of a predicted

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just kind of the magic of the show

0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and of reality TV, right, Like it makes it special

0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:10.359
<v Speaker 1>when you come.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Survivors.

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<v Speaker 2>Still it's owning some of the fibers of reality television

0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.480
<v Speaker 2>still twenty years later. There's very few shows that we

0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.080
<v Speaker 2>have in reality TV that are pre filmed, prepackaged and

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.359
<v Speaker 2>put together, but still on the essence of it being

0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.520
<v Speaker 2>the real realities of what you're watching. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>with this show, we are still being given the truth

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<v Speaker 2>behind who you will are and a truth behind how

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<v Speaker 2>it all came down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I do believe that. I think they've

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<v Speaker 1>done a great job of editing this season and pointing

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<v Speaker 1>all together. It's just been it's been awesome to see

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<v Speaker 1>and look, I think that in terms of BLA I

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<v Speaker 1>can speak on my journey, like it was really hard

0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.800
<v Speaker 1>watching me at the start and being dehumanized a little bit,

0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.320
<v Speaker 1>like the real me wasn't really shown. But like I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that on a long enough period of time, you

0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.800
<v Speaker 1>can't hide the real you. So the person that the

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<v Speaker 1>sigmon that you see at the end the same sign

0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:02.720
<v Speaker 1>that I was out there the whole time. It's the

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.320
<v Speaker 1>same sign that everyone hated at the start, and then

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<v Speaker 1>even I was watching him like he let us a flog,

0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you know. So it's like when you over that, like,

0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I was able to develop my develop my

0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.040
<v Speaker 1>character and have that story told and it kind of

0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.359
<v Speaker 1>completes you there. So the fact that I was able

0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to have that and have that shown like that was

0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that was really cool. And they do a good job

0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of being able to communicate that and not everyone does it,

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.600
<v Speaker 1>but as a whole, I think the Survivor and the

0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.040
<v Speaker 1>crew have done such a good job of bringing that

0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 1>to life.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you on social media because I feel like

0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you are still the sign and that we see on television.

0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 2>So often do we watch shows where we then follow

0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.880
<v Speaker 2>them as well, and then we see a different side

0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.159
<v Speaker 2>to them. They're very different where I feel like what

0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.199
<v Speaker 2>you're tweeting and what you're posting on Instagram all feels

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.320
<v Speaker 2>like it's connected to the narrative of who you are

0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.640
<v Speaker 2>and it makes us go, oh, he is that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But you did tweet this one thing with JLP on

0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Twitter where you said, you know, waiting to tell people

0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.760
<v Speaker 2>that this was all planned and this is a strategy.

0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I was playing to the bottom. I can't remember I'm

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:06.720
<v Speaker 2>paraphrasing here with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but what did.

0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.800
<v Speaker 2>You mean by that? I mean, what were you waiting

0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.160
<v Speaker 2>to tell Australia that wasn't being shown, you know at

0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that time and to.

0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.119
<v Speaker 1>The start of that, like I, you know, I had

0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.840
<v Speaker 1>to lean in, Like when when your carriage is getting

0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.400
<v Speaker 1>ragged through the mard, you have to have some fun

0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 1>with it, and you know, you got to take the

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.200
<v Speaker 1>piss out of yourself. That's kind of a bit of

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.440
<v Speaker 1>like a you know, that's the endearing thing you bring

0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.080
<v Speaker 1>yourself back down to size. The jail peachweek was like

0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I felt like it was being you know, kind of

0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:33.359
<v Speaker 1>being kicked a little bit when I was when I

0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>was down and not being able to like show my

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.560
<v Speaker 1>side of the story where like, you know, yeah, I

0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot of control, and you know, yes

0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I was on the bottom, but like I was actively

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:50.280
<v Speaker 1>playing to the bottom at that stage, like coming into Merge, I,

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I chose to withdraw from conversations, to let

0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.720
<v Speaker 1>them all run off and do their thing and stuff.

0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.720
<v Speaker 1>So I I wanted to manage my threat level and

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to do that, I pushed myself to have no agency

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.360
<v Speaker 1>and it was really hard to not like run out

0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and be part of those conversations, but it was important

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>for me to actually it enabled me to matge it,

0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:12.840
<v Speaker 1>to manage my threat level and get and put myself

0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.680
<v Speaker 1>in a position where like I'm in halfway through Merge,

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big challenge threat, but I'm not a threat

0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.440
<v Speaker 1>at all in this game, and everyone on the jury

0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.320
<v Speaker 1>is agreeing and barracking for me to win. Like it

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.040
<v Speaker 1>was such a unique position for me, and it's hard

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.239
<v Speaker 1>not explaining some of those things at the time, and

0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:34.680
<v Speaker 1>when it's like, you know, you just like this lovable

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>himbo as it's kind of coming across like you you

0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.880
<v Speaker 1>want to defend some of the things that you kind

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.360
<v Speaker 1>of do and have done. Yeah, you know at the time,

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it's just frustrating, but yeah, it is what it is.

0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:49.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of the part, like you know, you

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>get to play that game and you do forego control

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and you just have to know rather the lightning at times,

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's hard, but it is what it is.

0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, Sean was saying to me when I asked him

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.880
<v Speaker 2>about this, because you know, as he was eliminated, that

0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.440
<v Speaker 2>was when the tweet came out, and he said, well,

0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know whether that's true because why would

0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 2>anyone play to the bottom. And then I want to

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>throw something on top of that to sort of push

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that a little bit to the side of bearing that

0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 2>in mind, and that is that is there any truth

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.480
<v Speaker 2>that maybe there wasn't that much strategy. But now when

0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 2>you look back and this happens in real life, this

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.439
<v Speaker 2>happens to me as well, where I'll be like, I

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.440
<v Speaker 2>had no idea what I was doing, but then when

0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I looked back, it looked like I always planned that.

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.000
<v Speaker 3>So I'm just going to say that's what it is.

0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that there's definitely like like like little bits

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.480
<v Speaker 1>and pieces of it, Like I as soon as we

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 1>got to merge, I'm like managed for a level pull back,

0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:42.080
<v Speaker 1>pull back, But like every time I tried to do something,

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.399
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be part of something, so like I was,

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.399
<v Speaker 1>I wanted it to change and I wanted it to

0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 1>blow right open and part of the whole, like but

0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 1>it never never worked for me. So it's like, as

0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I kept, look, if you try to take a step

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.160
<v Speaker 1>and keep going back to the bottom, like it wasn't

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the worst thing. So I'd like be I'd have to

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.520
<v Speaker 1>pick my avenue about where I take my next step.

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.360
<v Speaker 1>But you know, when you hit your head, try to

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.960
<v Speaker 1>try to try to get off the floor, like it's

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:14.159
<v Speaker 1>always tough. Yeah, Like there's definitely a little bit of

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.439
<v Speaker 1>like a retrospective. I guess you're looking back being but

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.399
<v Speaker 1>you notice that trend. It's like, okay, well that's not

0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:21.399
<v Speaker 1>working for me. But I was on the Vigilantes, but

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:23.919
<v Speaker 1>I was still on the in the bottom there. I

0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 1>never wanted to take control of an alliance like I

0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.399
<v Speaker 1>wanted to like join the bottom. So it was you know,

0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like I was trying to like put myself

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 1>in the premiere position because it just was it's never

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.280
<v Speaker 1>going to happen, So like I just just enough to

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 1>be able to get through to like scrape in to

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.800
<v Speaker 1>be like you guys battle it out above me. But

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it really helped me manage my threat level there.

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:47.959
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and look at it worked.

0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Then I think as well that there's another way of

0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.359
<v Speaker 2>looking at that, and that is that you know, was

0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.400
<v Speaker 2>it a strategy to always be in the bottom or

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:55.679
<v Speaker 2>did you just have no choice?

0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It was. Look, I had no choice. It was made.

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.679
<v Speaker 1>My decision was made for me. With the Cookie Idol

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 1>being a fake idol, I burnt trust with everyone. I

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 1>burnt trust a little heroes, and I ended up in

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 1>that position. So when I ended up down there and

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:14.199
<v Speaker 1>no one trusted me, I played that up. So you know,

0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, this is where I am now, and I wasn't.

0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go like back up. I'm like,

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to like, let's let's keep this on the

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.680
<v Speaker 1>bottom for now. So like, yeah, my bed was made,

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and I had to live with the consequences of my

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 1>actions or the Cookie Idol as it crumbled my way.

0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's where I was that's where I ended

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 1>up at Merged when no one won. You wanted a

0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:37.200
<v Speaker 1>bar of me, and I was, yeah, just on the bottom.

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.639
<v Speaker 2>I think we have to just briefly talk about the

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>most famous tribal council in the history of survivor from

0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.879
<v Speaker 2>around the world, and that I show down with you

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and George.

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 3>It was such an iconic moment of television. You know.

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people were saying, you know,

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:56.440
<v Speaker 2>how did you not knock George out? Because there's two

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.360
<v Speaker 2>ways to look at any story, but it did sort

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:01.200
<v Speaker 2>of look like he was really antagon you in that situation.

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:03.719
<v Speaker 2>How do you I mean, it just seems like that

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.600
<v Speaker 2>relationship that you have with George could be really toxic

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 2>at times. Were you always able to say this is

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.359
<v Speaker 2>just a game, this is just a game, or were

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>there times where you were thinking, I'm really going to

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 2>have to tell this man that this is not okay.

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 1>It was really hard, and I felt like I was

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>actually on the defense of the whole time, like I

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>had to be reactive to the way that George was

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.960
<v Speaker 1>acting and coming at me like I did. I felt

0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't have an option, and so it was

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>the second pilot the question.

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I just I just feel like, you know, he was

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>definitely antagonizing you, min you his lines back to you

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's antagonizing of you was beautiful television. It was poetry,

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.959
<v Speaker 2>like he's so good at it, so good at it,

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.399
<v Speaker 2>so like, I absolutely I'm not taking him to task

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:50.880
<v Speaker 2>on that. I'm just talking about you and the universe

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 2>because I could Mom was antagonizing me like that that

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I would be so close to just being like I'm

0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>going to push this guy over. I feel like the

0:24:58.320 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 2>producer is going to have to come and come and

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 2>grab me because I lose my mind, Like how do

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you say stay separated and stay in the game without

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 2>letting it become too personal and wanting to knock this

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.240
<v Speaker 2>person out for sure?

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.120
<v Speaker 1>And look, it's really hard. At the end of the day,

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I love this game and I knew what I needed

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to do to get through, and it is just a game.

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.959
<v Speaker 1>And as frustrated as you can be at times, like

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 1>when you feel it boiling up inside you, you have

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to remind yourself that it is just a game and

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 1>that I didn't want to let a toxic relationship ruin

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>this experience for me, Like so I knew I needed

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to be the bigger person even when I was being

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 1>antagonized consistently, and I just had to let it flow

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>like water off the duck's back because I love this game,

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and if I left with the sour taste in my

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 1>mouth or like withdrew from everything, like, I wouldn't want that,

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and it can be hard to patch all that together.

0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>But I just need to let it go so I

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>can still have fun and still be part of this

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 1>community and this game which I love so much, because otherwise, yeah,

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I would have lost my call and completely pulled back

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.520
<v Speaker 1>from it, and it's not where I wanted to end up.

0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>So some things are just some things are bigger than

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the game, and at the end of the day, it

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is just a game, very real game. But like, yeah,

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you just had got to find a way to cope

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 1>with it.

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, people kept seeing you out with George or you

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>kept posting photos as well socially with George, and so

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I think there was a real confusion from everyone because

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.439
<v Speaker 2>everyone was like, oh, well, those two they don't like

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>each other, and then you would post you two laughing

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 2>and having a good time. You know, was that really

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 2>surreal for people that you saw in the real world

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>seeing you two hanging out.

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really was and very confusing, but it also

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>adds like that's the human element to it. Like at

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, George loves this game just

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>as much as I do, and despite all our differences,

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>that is something that we will always share in common,

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and we will always be bonded by being on not one,

0:26:55.800 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 1>but two seasons together. So like this, George will follow

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>this game in my experience will always be tied. So

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I need, you know, it's it's important for me to

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>just to ensure that like I can, like I'm okay

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>with it, Like with what happens in the game. What

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>happens in the game happens in the game. I will

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>only ever judge someone by how they treat people in

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the in the real world. And George is a nightmare

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to play with, like and he's so good of what

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:27.880
<v Speaker 1>he did, and you've got to full credit to him.

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>But like you know, I will only judge him by

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>what we see in the in the outside world, and

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>he's been been quite supportive and checked in on me

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>from time to time. So yeah, I'm impressed by the

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>real George on the outside.

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 2>What if we missed in this finale. I know, Simon

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>finale is a devastation for me and for audiences. What

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.479
<v Speaker 2>were you mentally preparing and what did you foresee happening

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 2>had you not been eliminated?

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the best final pitch since Christy Bennett in twenty sixteen.

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>It would have been It would have been huge and

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>it would have been special. I try not to think

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>about it too much now because I know that I

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>could have won, and I knew that I had the

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>narrative to be able to win, and I actually think

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>I could have beaten George, believe it or not, Like

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's actually crazy that that those words are etten coming

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>out of my mouth. But I think with George's during management,

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's you know, he's played the best

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>social game. Then I think he's chosen TV moments over

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>social relationships. And I mean, look that it's very entertaining

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.239
<v Speaker 1>and very good, but like when someone's telling you, you

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>know you've made another like a dumb move or you're

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the worst player in Survivor history, like you can't do

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>you really want to reward someone like that half a

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>million dollars? So you know, I.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Had the end if he's left with.

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>As far as I'm concerned, I'm maybe a bit bold

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>by saying this, but if George is left with Jerry

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and Matt, then I think George can win because with

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Jerry and Matt, did they you know? I think the

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 2>trouble Council be like, well, did Jerry and Matt really

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>do as much in this game as George? Where had

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it been a you and George finale, I think that

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and a showdown between the two of you, I think

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 2>you would have won because you are right, you did

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 2>play the social game better and you still gave us

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 2>the TV moment. You can still give TV moments in

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 2>shows like this without completely destroying your game.

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>He gets it, and yeah, I agree, Yeah, there's there's

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a way to do it in a way to

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, to do it tackley and tastely. At times,

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that it would have been interesting and well

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>and like, it will be interesting to see how it

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>all kind of comes out in the end. And yeah,

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a real battle of head versus heart.

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>But if someone can get up there and pitch about

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>why they can stand on their own two feet outside

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>of you know, outside of George then you know, they'll

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>they'll they'll put up a compelling a compelling argument. But

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 1>like when I was out there, I wasn't privileged to

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the inner workings of it all. But like if they

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>if someone can prove it, then yeah, we'll just have

0:29:58.440 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>to wait and see if they can. If that's an

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>to sway the jury.

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>When you came out of the show, not what you

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 2>know now, but like that moment where your torch is snuffed,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 2>did you think was most likely to win?

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't know at the time. Like you

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 1>just got to come into terms that it's not you.

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So I just hoped it was Nina. I hope that

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>she would be like, you know, like the last freedom

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>fighter to you know, to take down George and you know,

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>just to be the last one to overcome being on

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the bottom for so long. And you know, it's just

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>frustrating when there's a lot there was a lot of

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>talk for so much about from you know, Jerry, mattin

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Liz about doing something and making these moves, but then

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it just never acting on. It's just frustrating there. So

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, Nina, you shared a couple of things to

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>her resume ready, like you're a Hailey vote under a

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>belt like she tried, She'd done different things, and there's

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>no doubt that George is by the best strategic game ever.

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>But I hope that you know Ninick and works in

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>magic and get her way through to the to the

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 1>end from here.

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 2>And then we talked about at the start about being

0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a returning player, and and I felt like I knew

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>for a fact that your story wasn't finished. How do

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you feel about this now?

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 3>You know? Do you feel like your story is finished?

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, of course you would go back.

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't even need to ask you that question, But

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>do you feel like your story has finished with Australian Survivor?

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I think, for now like it has. I have closed

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a chapter which is which is wholesome. You know, it's

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>nice to be able to get to that point because

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like after Brains be Brawl and going home

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>with two idols, like it wasn't done, but for now

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a really nice way to close it all off.

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I came sixth I got a car,

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I got an edit, I left nothing out there and

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I left. Ultimately, I wanted to leave a mark on

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>this game and come away with a couple of friends,

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think I've done that so I can very

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>much so sleep easily at night knowing that you know

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>my day. My time should have ended on day sixteen,

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>and here I was twenty something thirty some days later,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>like a pretty special Simon.

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank the Survivor gods for your efforts

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 2>this season. You were so fantastic and honestly, I don't

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 2>think anyone could have come across any better. Thank you

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>so much for chatting with me today and unpacking some

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of this. It's just been so amazing.

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Benny, it's it's been great. Been looking forward to

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>this one. So yeah, thank you for your support, and yeah,

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>it's good to good to have you behind you know

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the magic that is Survivor.

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>A hell of a good chat with Simon. I thought

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>his takes on the whole series were typically Simon, and

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't have asked for more. Anyway, Let's bring Nina

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 2>into the podcast. I'm really excited to chat with her

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 2>for the first time about blood versus Water.

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 3>And heroes versus villains. Hi, Nina, how are you hey?

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm good, Thank you, how are you well?

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming onto the show and unpacking your time

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 2>on the series. How has Heroes Versus Villains.

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Gone for you?

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 4>It's been amazing. I'm having I had such a great time,

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 4>continuing to have a great time being able to see

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 4>everyone outside of the show. So it was a great

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 4>experience and it continues for me, which is awesome.

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've been following you guys. What is the

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 2>deal with all of the Australians survive contestants? You guys

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 2>will look like one big giant family.

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what it is. I guess everybody just

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 4>gets along. But I also think it's like a part

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 4>of the Australian culture.

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 4>In the States version, we're like going in. Everybody else

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 4>is like can I get to know you a little bit?

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 4>And I think that for me that's really good for

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 4>my game because I love relationships in general. I'm a

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 4>people person. I love to talk, but it also gives

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 4>me the chance to get to know other people and

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 4>let them get to.

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Know me well.

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Growing up in the Survivor world, I can you know,

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel that this show is in your DNA. Does

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>knowing the game inside out actually help? Or is the

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>show so unpredictable that no amount of inside knowledge can

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 2>really help you.

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 4>I think it's I don't want to sound corny, but

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:01.520
<v Speaker 4>genuinely fifty to fifty because there's times up until last night,

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 4>I made a rooky mistake not realizing thinking I am

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 4>genuinely fighting for my life. I am done, I'm going home.

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 4>What's the last thing that I can do? Not realizing

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 4>what was actually happening. But that's the tricky part of

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 4>the game. That's what you don't know. But there's so

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 4>many other parts that got me to that point that

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 4>my knowledge of the game helped me with, whether it's

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 4>a puzzle challenge that I'm just like, Oh, I love

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 4>practicing puzzles. I've done this before with my mom and

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 4>the family at home, to the social cues and things

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.720
<v Speaker 4>that my mom taught me about or that I learned

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 4>from her, just watching her interactions with people that got

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 4>me further in the game. And then the game is

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 4>so unpredictable. You don't know what people are actually thinking.

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 4>All you can do is sit back, watch their actions,

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 4>their moves. And my perspective, which is so important in

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 4>the game, was I am completely done. There's nothing else

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 4>I can do except fight, and that's what I did.

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 4>I stand by it because every single person that night,

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 4>including myself, did what they thought was best for their

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 4>game just didn't line up with what I thought was best.

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.240
<v Speaker 2>When I was watching you last night, I was thinking

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>to myself, this is the season of Survivor that we

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of expected to get from you, you know, last year,

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and then you know you hurt yourself and you had

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to come out of the competition.

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 3>You know, what do you think looking back?

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you think if you hadn't hurt yourself, do you

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 2>think you would have gotten as far in last year's series.

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to entertain you because I sometimes like it's

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 4>hard for me to do like that hindsight thing because

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to think about like what I missed

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 4>out on. But genuinely, yes, I had quite a few

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 4>people as well tell me, dang, I wish you were

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.359
<v Speaker 4>still there because you could have had it in the

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 4>bag for one reason or another. But I genuinely I

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 4>know I would have made merged at the least. Anything

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 4>after that might have been dicey, because I felt like

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 4>some people were just on this straight and narrow path,

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 4>which we also see a little bit in this season,

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 4>and I would have again tried my best to switch

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 4>things up. I just think that at least in my

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 4>last season I would have had a little bit more

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:09.479
<v Speaker 4>relationships and ends with people that would have allowed them

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 4>to feel a little more comfortable making those moves. Where unfortunately,

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 4>being the final five, Jerry and Matt didn't really have

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 4>super super strong relationships with them. I tried, but it

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 4>just didn't work out. Maybe I was too little, too late.

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Where last time I at least had relationships with almost

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 4>every single person from the OgH Water and a few

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 4>of the new Blood tribe, and I had some decent

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 4>relationships with them that I could at least have to

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 4>end with other people.

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Was it always locked that you would come back? I mean,

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that was the question I had for you. I mean

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 2>they definitely said, you know, you've hurt yourself, would love

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>to see you back on the show. But you know,

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 2>at what point did you find out that you would

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:47.800
<v Speaker 2>be a part of heroes Versus Villains?

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know one hundred percent until I think two

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 4>months before I actually like flew out. Of course, I

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 4>was always hopeful, which is why I continued to do

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 4>my best at exercising rehability take myself as quickly as

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 4>possible just in case. But in all honesty, I didn't

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 4>hold my breath. I mean I was filling out job

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.959
<v Speaker 4>applications and redoing my resume, getting ready to leave because

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 4>I went to retail just to kind of hold myself over,

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 4>to give myself time to process and like rehabilitate and relax.

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 4>Then they call and I'm like, oh my god, is

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 4>this actually happening? Like I thought you guys were just

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 4>kind of entertaining me, making me feel better, But they

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 4>were serious, and I'm glad that they were.

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I think the question that everyone wants to know, you know,

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 2>out of the Survivor universe at the moment, is what

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>did your mom think of your time on the show.

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh she's so proud, so happy. She's just astonished in

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 4>a way, like she expected me to do well. But

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, once you see it, then you believe it.

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 4>I got my little wind that she didn't get, so

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 4>I got to do a little bit that she never

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 4>got to. Also, of course making the jury, which was awesome,

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 4>But she overall was like, you know what you did,

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 4>And maybe not exactly the same way, but she was like,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 4>you did what I would have done, I think to myself,

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 4>and she has before I'm going home, I'm gonna stir

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 4>some shit up and I'm gonna try. And that's what

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 4>I did.

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>I want to know about the pressure, because you know,

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm putting myself into your shoes the whole way through

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>this season watching you, and I'm thinking, where does the

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>most amount of pressure come from? Is it your fans?

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Is it your mom? Is it the pressure that you

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>put on yourself? What was the pressure and where was

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 2>it coming from?

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 4>Always myself? Always, always, always, I don't know why, but

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 4>I tend to be able, even in just a few moments,

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 4>to distance myself from anything that I cannot control. I

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.320
<v Speaker 4>can't control what my mom says or thinks, what fans

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 4>say or think. I can't control a lot of aspects

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.120
<v Speaker 4>of the game or other people in the game. What

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.399
<v Speaker 4>I can't control is myself. So I have a lot

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 4>of internal thoughts. I mean, you see me at travel

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 4>colousm I'm like, like just thinking, you know, so most

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.720
<v Speaker 4>of the pressure comes from myself. I think, Please, don't

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.919
<v Speaker 4>f this up. Okay, put the emotion to the side.

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Let's be logical. What have you seen, what have you heard?

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 4>What have you felt? From other people? And take that

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 4>and run with it. So far, it had worked every

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 4>single time until last night. But of course we're forty

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 4>four days in. I'm seeing collar phones and things everywhere.

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm hungry, I'm tired, I'm frustrated. I'm so frustrated because

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 4>one should have went home, went to isolation. Two should

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 4>have went home, but switched my vote, which which you

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 4>know caused the time, didn't go home. So now I'm like,

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, I've been trying and trying and trying.

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 4>This is not going anywhere. Nice Nina is gone. Me

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 4>Nina's coming out, but maybe nice eness should have stuck around, right.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>It's so hard to work out though, But you made

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 2>a very good point, and that is that when you're

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 2>in a situation that is unusual, being that you know

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.879
<v Speaker 2>this show is unusual, it's you know, a long time

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 2>to be in there. You are hungry, you are tired,

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>and you're not thinking straight. So you can't exactly expect

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>because the audience are watching it, and the audience are

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 2>watching it going oh, well, this is.

0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 3>What I do.

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 2>But they're in the comfort of their home, and you

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 2>know the pressure that you guys are on too. It

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 2>means that your decision making ability must be compromised, considering.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 4>My mom did the show, and I've heard the backstories,

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, oh my god, they never showed that.

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 4>That is such an important aspect. I always remind myself

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.600
<v Speaker 4>anytime somebody has questions, I'm more than happy to answer

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:21.240
<v Speaker 4>to explain what I can. But I also remind myself

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 4>they're not there. When I meet other survivors or people

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 4>from any other show, I'm like, can you tell me?

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 4>Was there more to that? And ninety nine point nine

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 4>ninety nine or nine percent of the time, there is

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 4>so love answering questions, love being open to discussions. But

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.320
<v Speaker 4>I also remind myself, you're on the couch. You're seeing

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:43.720
<v Speaker 4>what I never ever knew. I'm watching the show, seeing things,

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 4>and it's been you know, a little bit of time.

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 4>No one told me that I saw something Simon said,

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, I'm coming to your home shortly. You

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 4>didn't think you should tell me that you know what

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. So there's a lot of things that I

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 4>have no idea about, never had an idea about, that

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.280
<v Speaker 4>the fans are seeing for the first time and thinking,

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.600
<v Speaker 4>oh that you know, look at the conversation, right, I'm

0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 4>like I was nowhere near that conversation. Guys, don't forget it.

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm paranoid. I'm over here running around with so and

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 4>so trying to make sure things are happening on this side.

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't have ten heads. I'm not able to duplicate myself,

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 4>so it's a little bit frustrating. But most most people,

0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 4>once you tell them a little bit, they're like, oh

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 4>my god, I totally did it. And that's what I

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 4>really try to get people to understand, and it's very

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 4>refreshing when they do.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 2>I have to ask you, you know, what was the

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 2>most shocking thing watching it back as a TV show

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that you didn't say and that you didn't know.

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.360
<v Speaker 4>So just because it happened. We have so many episodes

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 4>and I've been traveling, so just because it happened last night,

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 4>genuinely did not think George was even considering doing anything

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 4>with me. And then, oh my god, there was one

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 4>that I was really shocked by. It had something to

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.280
<v Speaker 4>do with Simon and Haley had having a private chat

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.800
<v Speaker 4>that I had no clue about that was before the shango,

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 4>and I'm sorry that I can't remember exactly what the

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 4>words were, but I was like Oh my god, they

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 4>were conspiring. I knew they were closed, but I didn't

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 4>realize they were that close. So again, loved Haley really,

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 4>really genuinely wanted to work with her. But I'm glad

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 4>that I didn't make the decision I made because I

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 4>didn't realize her and Simon were way closer than I

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:19.720
<v Speaker 4>ever thought.

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, they might be getting ahead of myself by

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>asking this question, But has there been a lot of

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 2>interest in you doing other versions from around the world, because, like,

0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 2>you was so great on this series and you have

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 2>this background, you have this history, this family tie to

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 2>this series. Has there been interest from other versions of

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Surviva for you to do them?

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 4>No, not from them fans of course, which I'm loving.

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, yes, tell them, tell them to call me please.

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 4>Don't watch the last night's episode, but tell them to

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 4>call me please, Like I'm trying. I would love to

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:54.839
<v Speaker 4>because Australia Survior has done so much for me in

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 4>filling this hole in my heart hearing you know what

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.120
<v Speaker 4>your parent has done their entire life and always wanting

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 4>to have that experience. I now had that experience. I

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 4>had it across the water with some amazing people. Everybody

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 4>has accent. So I'm like, oh my god, I love

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:14.839
<v Speaker 4>this and they welcomed me with open arms. But at

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 4>the same time, I'm an American and I haven't even

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:19.799
<v Speaker 4>done the American version. You know what I'm saying, like,

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 4>I would love, love, love to do it, and by

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 4>all means any other country, please, I'll be your first American.

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 4>I'd love to do it.

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>How did it come about for you? I mean, did

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:31.959
<v Speaker 2>they bring your mom last year to do last year's

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.879
<v Speaker 2>series and then they said to her, can you bring

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 2>a family member? I mean, like, how did this show

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>come about? Had your mom reached out to the Astralian

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:39.839
<v Speaker 2>version and put a hand up.

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 4>My understanding is because I was at work. I remember this.

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.479
<v Speaker 4>She got a call from somebody saying, hey, somebody else

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.200
<v Speaker 4>is trying to reach you, but you know, she doesn't

0:43:48.200 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 4>answer numbers that she doesn't know. Got the call, she

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 4>was like, ooh, you guys are really physical, and as

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, my mom is not known for being very physical,

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 4>and she was like, I don't know about that. And

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.399
<v Speaker 4>they're like, I mean you might be able to bring

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 4>somebody with you. I don't know. You know, they can't

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 4>confirm or deny anything, and her Survivor brain is like

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 4>blood versus water or some kind of teen like they're

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.799
<v Speaker 4>doing something with partners. She called myself while I was

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 4>at work and said answer the phone and hung up,

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, I see Australian. I'm thinking to answer

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 4>the phone for Australia. I had no idea to like, Hey,

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 4>this is so and so from Survivor Australian. I'm like, hello,

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 4>Like what are you talking about? So that was amazing.

0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.400
<v Speaker 4>They loved me. She had my aunt as well talks

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:35.399
<v Speaker 4>in but they preferred me. Sorry Auntie, but yeah, that's

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 4>how it came about. They just admired her, admired her legacy,

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 4>wanted to bring her along, and she got to bring

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 4>me along. And I'm so glad that she put me

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 4>forward that I was her first option.

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 3>I love it. I've always wanted to know that.

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 2>So it's really exciting to be able to ask you

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 2>specifically and get the real story. There has to have

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>been a lot that we didn't say early in the show,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 2>because you know, the villains kept going to tribal council.

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, what is something that you felt like we

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.919
<v Speaker 2>missed from your story because a lot of the other

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 2>people that have come on the podcast so far have

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 2>actually mentioned you and said, you know, there are some

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 2>relationships that Nana was able to form and storylines that

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 2>happened for her that you know, we're never shown. You know,

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.439
<v Speaker 2>what is something that you feel like we really missed

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>out on saying it would have.

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 4>Been a lot to show. Don't get me wrong, but

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 4>my way of building relationships and the ones that I've

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 4>built and how they interconnected because I'm like, okay, day one,

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 4>connect with Sean Haley Flick. We are attorneys, we're a minority.

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 4>Try and chat to Sam. You know, see how that's going.

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:39.960
<v Speaker 4>And that was from the jump. Then I start connecting

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 4>with some of the newbies. Here's Ben, Ben and Haley

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:46.240
<v Speaker 4>are okay. So there's two people right there. Here's Matt.

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 4>Matt and I get along really well. We actually had

0:45:48.440 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 4>a secret alliance that of course never gets shown. He's

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 4>in with the Metre. That's amazing. So here's two avenues.

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.959
<v Speaker 4>Then I get with David completely and utterly my number one.

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.800
<v Speaker 4>He is the core, like one of the core. Meet Trey.

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 4>So not only do I have him as my number one,

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 4>I have Matt as a backup to tell me something

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 4>if they choose to not tell me so I'm aware.

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 4>Then I have Haley over here on the complete other

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 4>side getting to know these people, and I'm trying to

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 4>also get to know them a little bit. Then we

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 4>have Flick. Flick is really close with Paige, and I

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 4>never like created a really really close bond with her,

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 4>but I have Flick to kind of bring us together.

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 4>I had multiple conversations where you see page I actually

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 4>get upset about the whole challenge thing. Flick brought us

0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 4>into that conversation. I'm so glad she did, because here's

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:38.959
<v Speaker 4>a vulnerable person, unfortunately, but vulnerability creates an opening. And

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 4>then there was one other thing, Jarnie. We started connecting

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 4>just a little bit because unfortunately, you had a cast

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 4>member who a lot of people weren't getting along with,

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 4>but she was, which was great. And because of that,

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 4>I had a lot of open discussions with her, like, hey,

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 4>maybe you should start thinking about how that relationship might

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 4>hinder you or might benefit you. So yeah, I had

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.879
<v Speaker 4>a lot of relationships built where I would I would

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 4>be able to double check a lot of stories.

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Is there a person that you feel that maybe you

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.760
<v Speaker 2>made an alliance with or maybe just a genuine friendship

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 2>with that you know, you were disappointed to see was

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 2>sent home too early, Like was this someone that you

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:14.760
<v Speaker 2>felt deserved more time on the show?

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 4>David one thousand percent because he I hate that you

0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:21.839
<v Speaker 4>didn't get to see a little bit more of him

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 4>when I tell you he thought about things so clearly.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 4>And maybe I'm being a little bit like biased because

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.800
<v Speaker 4>he was very open with me, But I also value

0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.359
<v Speaker 4>that I don't I don't want to say it like that.

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.680
<v Speaker 4>When I see some serious potential in someone, I'm like full,

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 4>like I'm all in. I want to know what you're thinking,

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.520
<v Speaker 4>what you're talking about, and why. And he was actually

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 4>very open about that, and so we were able to

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 4>bond not only over the game but life and just

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 4>get along and laugh and felt very nice to have

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 4>somebody that I would consider a friend, you know, in

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.399
<v Speaker 4>the game like that and outside of the game. But yeah,

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:58.320
<v Speaker 4>I really really wish not only did you get to

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 4>see a little bit more of his thought process, is

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 4>because he's a part of the metri and that's all

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 4>you get. He is so smart and a lot of

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 4>people really did enjoy his presence, and I feel like

0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 4>he went home way too soon.

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was looking back at your gameplay and writting

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 2>it all down and you know, creating my notes, and

0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:17.879
<v Speaker 2>I really want to know, did you spend time rate

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking that message in a bottle from Higley to Sam?

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I did. In our honesty, I believe her right,

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 4>But I'm sitting there and I'm trying to be analytical.

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 4>I can't soundboard off of Haley anymore. I need to

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 4>do this myself. And the fact is she flipped. She

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 4>didn't really talk to us. She based on previous conversations,

0:48:40.320 --> 0:48:44.120
<v Speaker 4>was very adamant and animated about certain things. So when

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting there next time she's like this, Yeah, you

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 4>should do this, I'm like, that's weird, Like you're not actually,

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, like really coming out there like you normally do.

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Not only that she knows I was coming for her.

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.040
<v Speaker 4>So if she sees an opportunity to blindside me, and

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 4>she's gonna take it, and what better way than to

0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 4>fool me. She didn't know I had the idol. And

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:07.600
<v Speaker 4>what's funny is it literally was like sitting right here,

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 4>And that's why when I'm talking to her, I'm like

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:12.800
<v Speaker 4>this and I'm like, we're back, but I'm thinking to myself.

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 4>I want to believe her, but my heart is believing her,

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 4>my mind isn't. Then I go to the boys and

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, dude, I don't know. I feel like she's

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:25.320
<v Speaker 4>telling the truth. And they're adding on top of Nna,

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 4>but don't forget this, this that we were coming after her.

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Why wouldn't she get rid of us? Why wouldn't she

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:34.319
<v Speaker 4>do this? She would be lying also, you know, of

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:36.959
<v Speaker 4>the three of us, Sam, like you would think she'd

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.880
<v Speaker 4>come after Sean, you know, like it was kind of

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 4>one of those. And so my heart then just kind

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:43.320
<v Speaker 4>of sank and I was like, oh my god, I

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 4>think she's trying to fool me. Last part of the

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 4>thought process was me panicking at tribal like what do

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 4>I actually do? And I got taken out by injury

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 4>last time. I don't want to play an idol for

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.320
<v Speaker 4>somebody else and send myself home. I feel like that

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 4>would almost be more devastating. So I said, you know

0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 4>what self preservation, Sam said, Nina, seriously, play it for yourself.

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 4>Sean Saidnina, play it for yourself. We are okay with that,

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 4>which is really important for my relationship with them. Sean

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:11.279
<v Speaker 4>will go last and he can make, you know, kind

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 4>of the final call. But I get why he did

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 4>it too. He has a family back home that he's

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 4>fighting for, you know what I'm saying. So it was

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 4>frustrating watching back, but hindsight is always twenty twenty.

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:23.840
<v Speaker 2>It's one of my moments of the series that really

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>shocked me. I was like, why are they playing these idols?

0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 2>But as you said earlier, you know, we at home

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:32.320
<v Speaker 2>don't really know everything that's happened. We haven't seen every interaction,

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 2>every you know, facial gesture that someone's given you to

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 2>make you believe a certain thing. You know, there's so

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 2>many things happening on the beach, which means that us

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 2>as an audience, we can't completely understand the threat that

0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 2>you must have felt to play that idol. But at

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:49.800
<v Speaker 2>the same time, I was like, Nina, do not play

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the idol? Why are you doing this?

0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:54.319
<v Speaker 4>As I was on the plane on the.

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Way here, like this, look you know it is it

0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 3>is what it is?

0:50:58.280 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 6>You know?

0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Interesting? I was reading on the fan forums last night.

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are saying now that whilst George

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>has been really celebrated through the game, it seems like

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 2>people are getting a lot of George fatigue. Do you

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 2>think that the show has had too much George storyline?

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 4>I think that every story that has been told should

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.560
<v Speaker 4>have been told. I would not even for me, but

0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:21.319
<v Speaker 4>for anyone. I would have loved a few more perspectives,

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 4>just so you can kind of get the full picture

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 4>of why certain things happen the way they happen. But

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.399
<v Speaker 4>based on the way the show is going, production made

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:31.919
<v Speaker 4>the right choice. They're doing what needs to be done

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 4>for the show. He has a really good perspective, or

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.480
<v Speaker 4>really analytical one, a very strategic one. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>do kind of wish you got a few more people,

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<v Speaker 4>just for the sake of every single person who was

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:45.440
<v Speaker 4>out there deserved to be out there, and I think

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:47.800
<v Speaker 4>their voices should have been heard just a little bit more.

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 4>But when I mean even I'm watching George's confessionals and

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, holy crap, you know, like I'm entertained as well.

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.959
<v Speaker 4>But there's sometimes even me, I'm messaging people like why

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 4>was that? Why did you say that? And I feel

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:01.840
<v Speaker 4>like there's just a few little gaps that could have

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<v Speaker 4>been filled.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there ever going to be a chance that you

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 2>could have played at your case and won the game

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 2>with your resume? How do you made it to the

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<v Speaker 2>final three?

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<v Speaker 4>I genuinely, even based on the chats that I've had,

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:15.799
<v Speaker 4>I know I would have gotten at least one vote.

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.120
<v Speaker 4>Depending on who I'm against, of course I would have

0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 4>at least gotten one too, maybe even three votes. And

0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:23.920
<v Speaker 4>if you ever watched like my Jury Villa entrance, like

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 4>you'll see they were like, Mina, we were rooting for you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think my pitch would have been those relationships.

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 4>Because one thing that you don't see is every time

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 4>I talk to someone and I told them like a

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 4>full story, a truth, and I mean the truth. At

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 4>the end of the chat, I would say, if you

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 4>choose not to work with me, you made that decision,

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.799
<v Speaker 4>not me, and you can cross check everything I'm saying,

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 4>so you know who's the liars and who's on your side.

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 4>And like Flick made a very good point when I

0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 4>entered the jury village, she was like, girl, you told

0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 4>me everything. Like I appreciate that. You don't know how

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.240
<v Speaker 4>much that means to me. So I would have definitely

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 4>played on that. Now hypothetically, say I'm next to George.

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 4>He has these huge moves, he did all these things

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.480
<v Speaker 4>and he had really good relationships, but he still burned bridges.

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 4>I can at least have the relationship story, the fighting

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 4>from the bottom and never giving up, always making sure

0:53:12.680 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 4>you guys were on my side, and letting you know

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:16.839
<v Speaker 4>I was on yours. So I would have definitely gone

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 4>for more of the emotion and the fact of don't

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 4>forget that I never pushed you to the side, even George,

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, like that would be my pitch. Whether it

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.560
<v Speaker 4>would work or not, I don't know, but I definitely

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.680
<v Speaker 4>think I would have at least gotten one vote, which

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:31.319
<v Speaker 4>would be nice.

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Then well, not what you know now, but you know

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.000
<v Speaker 2>what you knew what you thought coming out of the competition?

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Who did you think was going to win? With the

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 3>fall that we've gone, Like.

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 4>If they went to the final, the finale.

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we walking out at this point of the competition,

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.799
<v Speaker 2>who are you thinking is going to win?

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Looking at it from a strategic standpoint, George, hands down.

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 4>I mean there, no matter how you feel about him,

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 4>you cannot just credit what he has done and continues

0:53:57.680 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 4>to do. And then I look at Liz and I

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:03.440
<v Speaker 4>feel she's a very independent person who has her own thoughts,

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:07.879
<v Speaker 4>who is able to step from behind George, not as

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 4>if she ever was. She was always next to him.

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.520
<v Speaker 4>But come from that and say this is what I

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:13.920
<v Speaker 4>want to do and we're going to do it. She

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:16.800
<v Speaker 4>was never, ever, ever scared for that. Matt and Jerry

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 4>they're there for a reason. They're still playing the game

0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:21.800
<v Speaker 4>and they're doing a good job. If they weren't, they would.

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Have been gone.

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.880
<v Speaker 4>But from what I saw, from what I felt, I

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.399
<v Speaker 4>don't feel like they have a story that they can

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 4>tell that really pulls them out of George's shadow. But

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:37.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm also excited because I'm watching the show seeing things

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 4>that I don't know. I want to hear. Whoever makes

0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 4>it their pitch, Matt and Jerry might have some really

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.399
<v Speaker 4>really good stories that I didn't even realize they had.

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Are they going to win everyone's I mean out of Liz,

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Matt and Jerry. If one of them takes George out

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't make the final whoever takes George out

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 2>surely is going to get the Jerry's vote, right.

0:54:56.440 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 4>Not necessarily, I don't know how, So I think it's

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:05.359
<v Speaker 4>all about how they frame it. If you're like I

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 4>had to wait to the last minute because of X

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 4>y Z, then of course, Like me, I'm gonna be like, well,

0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:12.280
<v Speaker 4>why do you wait so long? You know what I'm saying,

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:13.840
<v Speaker 4>you better answer properly.

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.759
<v Speaker 5>But I think everybody, as long as you own what

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:20.560
<v Speaker 5>you've done, explain it in some way, shape or form

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 5>that we can understand. Because at this point in time,

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 5>I think we're all returneys on the bench, right, So

0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 5>you're gonna have.

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<v Speaker 4>To make sure Yeah, yeah, so you're gonna really especially

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 4>if it's like the newbies, you're really gonna have to

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:39.799
<v Speaker 4>tell us from a strategic standpoint why you did what

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 4>you did and then hopefully we'll understand.

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.280
<v Speaker 3>But if not, Sorry I got confused.

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, so, yeah, the returneys are all

0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>in the jury, is what you're saying. Yeah, right, Because

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:54.239
<v Speaker 2>we have Liz, Jerry and Matt. Their all newbies, you know,

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:55.800
<v Speaker 2>and then you have George.

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<v Speaker 6>So at this point in time, me entering into the

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 6>jury the law, I'm like, oh, ever makes it to

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:02.880
<v Speaker 6>the end, they got to think about who they're pitching

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 6>to because at this point all of us are returnees,

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 6>Like you got to start thinking, even George himself, he

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 6>knows how to pitch.

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:11.520
<v Speaker 4>Or you have to.

0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.560
<v Speaker 3>Remember who you're talking to Nina.

0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 2>I am obsessed with you. I think you are so

0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 2>fantastic and even talking to you today, I love how

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.799
<v Speaker 2>well you can explain yourself. You are so well at

0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:24.600
<v Speaker 2>being able to articulate yourself.

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:25.759
<v Speaker 3>You've been fantastic to.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch on the show, and I really am rooting to

0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 2>watch you in another series.

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<v Speaker 3>America. First, come on, thank you.

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Thanks for the chats that, I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no problem, Thank you for having me