1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: But let's try again. I believe we've got Marian Scrimjaw 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: on theline. Good morning to you, Marion. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, And I'm in Nooka community with Selena Yubo. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Ah there you go, traveling out and about Marion. Have 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: you been in what air in recent days as well? 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Look, we've been in contact with Melanderie McCarthy, who spent 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: all of last weekend and has only just come back 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: into Darwin. So she's been out there with Diran Young 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: who's the local younger for daily just getting around and 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: talking to people and just trying to get a handle 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: on what we see as a real crisis that in 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: the community of. 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: What is enough being done out there at the moment. Melanderie, 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: I know that it's been reported that you know that 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: you've been critical of the Gunner government that there isn't 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: enough happening at the moment. 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: Look, Melanderie, So she spoke to both Warren and I 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: and have kept us informed. She's also done a fantastic 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: job with Jiran in terms of saying to the non 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: territory government, we all need to work together to try 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: and deal with this humanitarian crisis because if we don't 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: address the four hundred people are displaced and moving out 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: to some of the homelands and in the long grass 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: around what we will see that movement coming into Darwin. 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: So we've got to try and deal with this issue immediately, 26 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: not today, not tomorrow, but we've you know, it's just 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: got to be done, Katie, and I think that the 28 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: Chief Minister has now got a number of his staff 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: as well as Nicole Manison, who's the acting Chief Minister, 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: has now gone out to What to meet with a 31 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: lot of the community members and some of the traditional 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: owners to have a look at how we can try 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: and work through with the leadership, because this really needs 34 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: the leaders of what to work together with governments both 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: and I think there's a real role as well for 36 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: the federal government to start looking at how do we 37 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: get some support and some infrastructure into some of those 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: homelands so we can get people out of the main community. 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: And so in the short term, I mean, I know 40 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: that you said obviously the government have had people go 41 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: out there now, they've had staff go out there in 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: recent days, but many people are asking how it's gotten 43 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: to the point where you know, we've seen this vision 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: from last week we're there is like it looks as 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: though it's massive brawls and homes being damaged. How we've 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: reached that point to begin with. 47 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should never have got to that point, Katie. 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: And when I've spoken to some of the leaders, they say, 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: it's the worse that it's got and we've got a 50 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: we can't allow this to escalate like we saw what 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: happened before the Easter period and then through the Easter 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: period wherehouses were just being absolutely trashed. So and that's 53 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: why it was important for Melandery to be out there 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 2: as the center there and also Duran and a lot 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: of the leaders and the traditional owners really respect that 56 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: they'd gone out there and sitting down and just trying 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: to talk to people. We now need to get some 58 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: mediators in so that. 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 3: All of the groups that are at war with each other. 60 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: And where this crisis came from, that we can try 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: and get some resolution to the unrest. Because if we 62 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: don't resolve the unrest, it will further exacerbate get worse. 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: So we need to support the first responders so that 64 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: you know, police need support out there. And I think 65 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: that's why it's been good that Nicole Madison has gone 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: out there to talk to her police members but also 67 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: the community, so hopefully we'll get some relief. The leaders 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: have been calling for some mediators to come in to 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: talk to the war and groups to try and resolve 70 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: that conflict that's been there, and it hasn't just come 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: in overnight. This has been a conflict in what air 72 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: for a long time. Marion. 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Are we in a situation here where the Defense force 74 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: needs to be called in? 75 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: Look? 76 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: One of the things that I said, Katie is maybe 77 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: we need to if we're looking at a humanitarian crisis, 78 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: if we're looking at short term accommodation, and we need 79 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: to get people accommodated in some of the homelands, well, 80 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: then do we get the defense force to come in 81 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: and to support and erect some temporary shelters so that 82 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: people can get some respites. There are women and children 83 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: and people with disabilities that have fled some of these 84 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: to these homelands. They don't have the infrastructure around them, 85 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: and that's what's concerning, particularly for old people, and so 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: we need to try and act particularly to protect those 87 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: women and children and old people that are living and 88 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: sleeping quite rough out in some of these homelands marian. 89 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: One of the other issues that we've been talking about 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: this morning, and we did just speak to just Enterprise, 91 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: who is obviously a candidate for the Colp Senate. We 92 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: were talking about the issue with alcohol in communities and 93 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: this legislation that's going to be introduced or that's going 94 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: to be debate, I believe next week in Parliament for 95 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: alcohol to once again be able to be consumed in 96 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: various well in the majority of Northern Territory communities. Is 97 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: this Is this a worry that you know in some 98 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: of these remote communities that they're going to now be 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: able to access alcohol. 100 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, I've always advocate of the dry Areas legislation 101 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: and supported those communities that wanted to keep their communities 102 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 2: restricted to the alcohol. Katie, I you know my own 103 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: home community on the Tiwey Island, there's a licensed club 104 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: in every community. We are seeing that same function, not 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: to the same extent that we're seeing in what is 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: but a lot of those issues have been generated through 107 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: through alcohol and alcohol abuse. So I think that and 108 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: Selena and I have had had a good conversation about this. 109 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: She's the Attorney General who will have carriages that led to. 110 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: I think that. 111 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: The Northern Territory Government will give due consideration. We cannot 112 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: allow open slather in these communities to happen without a 113 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: better process. There was a good process that happened before 114 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: the intervention came, Katie Ye, and I think that, and 115 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: I know I have every confidence that Selena and Chancey 116 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: and others will give real consideration about the impact that 117 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: will happen in communities should that stronger futures legislation lab. 118 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: So do you reckon We're going to see a situation 119 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: next week where these legislations maybe not as clear cut 120 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: as what we'd initially thought, and that we might even 121 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: have some of those you know, some of those members 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: that I've just spoken about. I want to see some 123 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: changes before it gets past. 124 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: I think that, Look, I'll have to have a I'll 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: have another further compensation with Selena, but it might be 126 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: a good idea to talk to Selena as the Attorney 127 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: General about that Northern Territory legislation and what that process 128 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: will be going forward. But I will be certainly advocating 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 2: to the Northern Territory Government that we maintain those restrictions 130 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: in those communities. We cannot have open flavor into those communities. Katie, 131 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of dysfunction and unrest that's happening, 132 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: and a lot of that. 133 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: You know, we've seen fly grog coming into some of 134 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: these communities. Having license venues isn't the answer. We've got 135 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: to have a look at do we have the policing resource, 136 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: do we have the resources from territory families, our kids 137 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: going to school, because when these sort of unrest happened, 138 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: the first. 139 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: Impact is felt in the schools. And I know talking 140 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: to the leaders at what they got down to five 141 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: students in the school. Now, you know that's a real 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: blight and it has to be addressed properly. We can't 143 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: do the knee jerk and just allow that to lapse 144 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: and we go back to what the status quo was before. 145 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's going to be interesting. I think it's 146 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: going to be incredibly interesting when you've got the likes 147 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: of John Patterson, the CEO of am SANT saying we 148 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: haven't been consulted and that there you know, there needs 149 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: to be that consultation when you've got communities that seem 150 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: as though they're pretty worried about it, and yeah, it's 151 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: it's uh, it does sound as though there needs to 152 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: be more work that takes place in this space. Yes, yeah, absolutely, 153 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: Mary instrument and agree. Yeah, well we are going to 154 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: have to leave it there. We appreciate your time. Thank 155 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: you very much for having a chat with us this morning. 156 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: Gattie, thank you.