1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Two Good Sports would like to acknowledge the traditional owners 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: of the land on which we record this podcast that 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: will run dry people. This land was never seated, always was, 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: always will be. Hello and welcome to two Good Sports 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: sports news tolds differently. I'm Georgie time. 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: And I'm Abbie Jelmy And on today's show, Georgie. 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Will anyone save the Commonwealth Game? 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 3: As? 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: Do we care? Yeah? 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Do we want it to be sa? 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: You and I care? 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: We do? 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: But does everyone else care? Because it feels like there's 14 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: headlines and yet no one's really talking about it. In 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: one of the great kerfuffles, I'd say that's ever happened 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: in Australian sport. 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: Kerfuffle is an amazing word. I love it. Seuse here 18 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: because it is a duel in many of our most 19 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: decorated athletes crowns. We think of Australia being the ultimate 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: sporting nation. The Commonwealth Games is where we win millions 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: of medals. So why has Australia blown up its hosting rights? 22 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Back in July, the Victorian government counseled its plans to 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: host the Games. We're going to delve into the fallout 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: and what led up to that. Particular moment and give 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: our thoughts measured as always, and opinions about whether we think. 26 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: It was the right call, and in July it was everywhere. Yes. 27 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: But we are months down the track. Yeah, we still 28 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: don't have a host. The athletes are still left scratching 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: their heads and there are numbers associated with this that 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: still don't make any sense. So get a bit of paper, 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: get a pen, because we're about to give you all 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: the facts and just what is happening here. But do 33 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: we headline first? 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: Headline first? Let's do it. Ah, dear listener, remember when 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: we were talking about the Wallabies and the World Cup 36 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: and just how dead they were, how dead and almost buried, 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: and we pointed out that maybe their campaign could survive 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: and they make it out of the group stages. If Portugal, 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: which had never won Rugby World Cup match, defeated Fiji, 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: who had defeated the Wallabies for the first time in 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: sixty nine years, it was convoluted. There was a lot 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: against them and against us as Wallabies fans making it 43 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: through to the next round. Portugal defeated Fiji, it's just 44 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: the most ridiculous. 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. If it was a film, you'd say, 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: absolutely not. 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: Twenty four points to twenty three to win their first 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Rugby World Cup match. Ever, it's the first time they've 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: been back in this tournament, I think since two thousand 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and seven. In Portugal. Right now, if we had a 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: live feed, they are storming the streets just shouting, crying. 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: They'd be flares, I'm sure, because this is gigantic. However, 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: is Portugal. 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: A rugby loving nation enough to have flairs? 55 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: It? Damn well? Is now? 56 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: It? 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Damn well? 58 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Is now? 59 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: All you need is a victory? You just need one. 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: But but put the paddles away. Tell me the Wallabies 61 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: are still dead. They're still dead, because yes, we need 62 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: a Portugal to win. But as is the case with 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: rugby union and I really really actually can't work it 64 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: out in my head sometimes as facts that and figures 65 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: that just don't add up. We needed them to win 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: by a lot more than one point, and we needed 67 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: them to win by like many tries. So it was like, yes, 68 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: we need Portugal win, ah, we also need them to 69 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: win by this much. 70 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 4: Ah. 71 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: We also needed them to score this many tries. 72 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: So unfortunately we prayed for the miracle we got the miracle, 73 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: just not enough. 74 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: It wasn't enough to get us off the canvas. 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: That's it. 76 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: So the Wallabies out of the World Cup in the 77 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: group stages for the first time in their history. There 78 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: will be so much more to come with this. 79 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: Well down Portugal, you tried punintended headline too. 80 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. The players and the spectators 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: once again are the ones that are left high and dry. 82 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: Craig Burley is someone I'd love to have one with 83 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: then talk about life, because he seems quite animated. Of course, 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: he is the ESPN commentator and he is not a 85 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: big fan of the FIFA World Cup announcement that it 86 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: will be taking place George across three continents, the Men's 87 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty thirty. It's unbelievable and yet completely 88 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: believable at the same time because it's FIFA and they 89 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: will take your money. But what does this mean? What 90 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: does this mean for football? What does this mean for fans? Well, 91 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: a a lot of travel. It's going to be Morocco, 92 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: Spain and Portugal named as the host nation. 93 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: But technically the hosts right, So those are the three 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: countries where the majority of the games are going, but. 95 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: The first three games you' Aguay, Argentina and Paraguay. So 96 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: they're saying that it's a throwback to the centenary. That 97 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: is kind of like playing homage to the fact that 98 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: that was where it was hosted in nineteen thirty. 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, why not just give them the whole tournament? 100 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: Then money? 101 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, there go money to it's. 102 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: Expensive, it's I think it's a it's deive to host 103 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: it all on your own. But hey, if we have 104 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: six bitterers and we can take all of your coin. 105 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: Can I say a controversial fact here? Because Craig Burly 106 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: would not would not be approving of this. He actually 107 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: used the word hates Fifat at the moment, like he 108 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: used hate such strong language. 109 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: I also hope that he's getting escorted to his car. 110 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: I know, I know, because I'm very you feel scared 111 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: here in Australia to say anything bad about beef. 112 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: I know, I'm worried that producer James is going to 113 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: just launch over the desk and get me like, how 114 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: dare you say this? I think that as a sports 115 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: fan and a happy tourist, I would not mind going 116 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: to Moroccos band in Portugal and using the FIFA World 117 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Cup as an excuse for me to get there and 118 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: to just work out the travel of going between each 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: different country. 120 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: Are you suggesting a World Cup critique? 121 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 5: Ah? 122 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Yes, I am, yes, I am. I think so, a 123 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: rite of passage? 124 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: Would that sounds awesome? How expensive a flight's going to 125 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: be during that time? 126 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be astronautic. 127 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: The demand for travel and also accommodation and then getting 128 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: tickets yes to World Cup. Yes, that is logistically too 129 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: much for mine. 130 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, we also have to make sure that Australia gets 131 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: there right, No, because we are talking about the soccer US, 132 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: not the Matildas. And I think it would be remiss 133 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: not to mention that the twenty twenty seven Women's World 134 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Cup still yet to be decided where that will be hosted. 135 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: We should know in May next year. The current bids 136 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: South Africa as one, Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany, hoping 137 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: to spread it round Brazil or the US and Mexico. 138 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: It would be fun, though. 139 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Oh, it would be so fun. It would be so fun. 140 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: Imagine just waking up and you're in Spain and then 141 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: you go to the football and the next day you 142 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: somehow teleport to Morocco and I just think fun. 143 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: If you haven't picked up the Georgie's the organizer. Out 144 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: of the two of us, you can plan it. I'll 145 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: get on the plane. See you in twenty thirty. 146 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 5: Great headline three, wonderful catch by Heerley to take the 147 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 5: tenth wicket and the win tonight for Australia here at 148 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 5: Ellen Borderfield and the series win as well. 149 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 2: Australian women's cricket team doing Australian women's cricket team things. 150 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: It really is. They just win. The girls. They're unbelievable 151 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: and Alisa Healy has taken to the captaincy with such 152 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: strength and again when you hear about her and then 153 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: Mitchell Stark in the same week taking three wickets for Australia, like, 154 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: how's your household going? 155 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: I know they're the ultimate sporting power couple. 156 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: They truly are. But the Aussie women have claimed their 157 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: first piece of silverware for the summer, because we all 158 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: know there's going to be more in a T twenty 159 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: series win over the West Indies. They won two to one. 160 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: Tim Payne has actually joined as well as an assistant coach. 161 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: Interesting the Test captain men's captain. 162 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's in the fold as well, But it's 163 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: more just seeing these new talent and the young talent 164 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: coming through is so exciting for the Southern Stars that 165 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: aren't called the Southern Stars anymore. But I want to 166 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: persist with it. 167 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: I know, I always loved when they were called the 168 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: Southern Stars. And now what are the Australian women's cricket team. 169 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the same way that the men's team doesn't 170 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: have a nickname. 171 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Okay, so I kind of get that. 172 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: But also Haley Matthews for the Winders is in. Anytime 173 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: you get to watch her is a treat and they've 174 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: currently got an ODI series underway. Australia won the first one, 175 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: so yeah we did and that's underway and there we did. 176 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: Game two is going to be in Melbourne on Thursday. 177 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: But especially with the Men's World Cup happening at the moment, 178 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: our girls just are so impressive. And if you ever 179 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: want to go back to watching Australians just winning and 180 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: wiping the floor with cricket, yeah, they're always there. Green 181 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: and Gold Armside open. 182 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: I think that you know, if you want to get 183 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: a T shirt that just says we just win that's 184 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: for the Aussie women. The men, we just win sometimes 185 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: because the campaigns not started great. In the ODII World Cup, 186 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: that's happening in India at the moment, Australia the first 187 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: game taking on the host nation. I mean that is 188 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: a huge challenge. Top tip for the Australian men's cricket 189 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: team from someone who actually doesn't play cricket. But you 190 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: may not want to drop Virat Cohli ever in a game. 191 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: I just I'm just throwing it out there. That happened 192 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: when Verat Coli was on not so many runs. He 193 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: then scored eighty five runs and India won by six wickets. 194 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: So you know, lessons learned, Lessons learned. 195 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: There were discussions about the lack of attendance for the opener, Yeah, 196 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: because in India you'd imagine that cricket just sells out. 197 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: It didn't. It actually looked quite sparse. But of course 198 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: India weren't playing, yes, because it was England New Zealand. Yes, 199 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: but when India play, you see India in full flight. 200 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: There's something special and almost religious about cricket in India 201 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: and it's very cool. The question is always when it 202 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: comes to an ODI World Cup is the standing of 203 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 2: that format in the game. I still like an ODI, I. 204 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: Like it, but I have definitely heard commentary around this 205 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: particular World Cup that this may be the last fifty 206 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: overs World Cup that we see in men's cricket. We'll 207 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: see them in women's cricket because that's kind of the 208 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: pinnacle of that game. It's different, but this could be 209 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: the final time that we see one, because is the 210 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: interest there. 211 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: And the good thing is England are playing like it's 212 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: T twenty anyway with baseball, just going hard, So maybe 213 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: and that is the format that people want to see 214 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: in packet. It is because they're talking about how ynamic 215 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: England are even when they played Test cricket and they 216 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: just go ham going well, you're gonna win some, you're 217 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: gonna lose some, which is all well and good until 218 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: you get to the final stages and you genuinely need 219 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: to play some crunch cricket. But headline four and we 220 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: don't usually do a headline force. So I'm going to 221 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: keep this very quick. Olso pstre second podium of the season. 222 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: You love to see it. For McLaren it went Verstappen 223 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: Pstre norris So two McLaren teammates two three on the 224 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: podium at the Cata Grand Prix unbelievable. Pstre said it 225 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: was probably the hardest race of his life, the little 226 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 2: lossie that could, the little. 227 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: Lossie that could, with a whole bunch of resources and 228 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: millions of dollars behind him. But we do love to 229 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: see it, We do love pastre fans. 230 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: Already excited for the Australian Grand Prix all right still 231 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: to come. 232 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: Is it a comprehensive let down for the athletes, the 233 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 4: excited host communities, first nations Australian who are going to 234 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 4: be at the heart of the Games, and the millions 235 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: of fans that would have embraced the sixth home Games 236 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 4: here in Australia. 237 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: Tough words from the head of the Australian comm Games, 238 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Craig Phillips, for a tough situation. Was canceling the Commonwealth 239 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: Games the right call for Australia. 240 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: That's next, the Commonwealth Games, George? Are they to be 241 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: any longer now that we don't have a host for 242 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six? But let's establish what are the Commonwealth Games? 243 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: First held in nineteen thirty in Canada, they were created 244 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: as a means of increasing goodwill and understanding of the 245 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: British Empire. 246 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: Oh it's not going great. 247 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: No, it's not going great. They've had a few name 248 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: changes throughout the years. They went from the British Empire 249 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: Games to the British Commonwealth Games and finally settling on 250 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games in nineteen seventy eight. 251 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Such innovation with those two us I know. 252 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: The Commonwealth by definition is an association of sovereign nations 253 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: which support each other and work together towards international goals. 254 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: It's a voluntary organization. There is fifty two member countries 255 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: spanning across Africa, Asia, the Americans, Europe and the Pacific. 256 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: And since nineteen thirty the Games have taken place every 257 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: four years, obviously alternating from when the Olympics are, except 258 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: for in nineteen forty two or nineteen forty six when 259 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 2: na little think of World War II mate that they 260 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: didn't happen. 261 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: So the only thing that has got in the Commonwealth 262 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Games as way has been. 263 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: A World War and now the Andrews government. How do 264 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: they differ from the Olympics though, this is important to 265 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: establish because I think sometimes people that don't love sport 266 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: get a bit confused about what the difference is. We've 267 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: just established you need to be part of the Commonwealth, 268 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: so it's a limited pool. US China, Russia not there. 269 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: Very helpful if you want to win some golf. But 270 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: also they include some sports that don't feature in the Olympics. 271 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: So when you think of the Aussie diamonds netball winning gold, 272 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: you're thinking of the COMM Games. But the thing that 273 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 2: is perhaps most special, to steal a phrase from the 274 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: one the only Bruce doesn't need a say name Bruce Macavanni, 275 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: just Bruce, is the integration of the power program. Yes, 276 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: instead of having the Paralympics separate from the Olympics with 277 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games, they are integrated. And it is something 278 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: that is so special and incredible and it's just sport, 279 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: it's just athletes, and it's something that's done so well 280 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: and we saw celebrated in many ways at the Birmingham 281 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: Games Australia. We love the con Games. We do even 282 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: though the commnwellth for some people might be on the nose. 283 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Do you know what's not on the nose? Winning We 284 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: love gold and we absolutely mop up. We've hosted it 285 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: five times, the last two being important to note two 286 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: thousand and six Melbourne hosted the game not that long ago, 287 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 2: not that long ago, and on the Gold Coast in 288 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. 289 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: I remember that one. 290 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was set to be Regional Victoria in 291 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. And then all the wheels fell off 292 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: the respective cart and the cart that no one knows 293 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: if it's going to get picked up. 294 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. So right now the wheelers cart is just stuck 295 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: on the ground. Because on the twelfth of April twenty 296 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: twenty two, that was victory Day shall we call it 297 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: for the Comnwealth Games bid for Victoria, including Melbourne and 298 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: Regional Victoria. The Daniel Andrews government came out and said, guys, 299 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: we needed to step in. We have saved the Commonwealth Games. 300 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: We will host it. It will be amazing. This was 301 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: also at the time of an election. 302 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: He also said two point six billion expensive but worth it, 303 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: worth it because it's going to be infrastructure for the region. 304 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: It was big about a big warm hug for Regional Victoria. Yes, 305 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: it was about providing housing in a backward way in 306 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: the fact that what would house the athletes would then 307 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: become state housing. Yes, and it just had a lot 308 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: of big, warm hug excitement about it because Victorians Georgie 309 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: loved sport, especially in a lead up. 310 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: To an election, and they also love to tell you 311 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: that they love sport. They love to tell you that 312 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Melbourne and Victoria is the home of sport. Fast forward 313 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: too the eighteenth of July twenty twenty three, Really not 314 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: that long a time, but that was the day that 315 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the Victorian government canceled its plans to host the Commonwealth Games, 316 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: claiming the cost of hosting the event was far too high. 317 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 6: It's not two point six billion dollars. It is, in fact, 318 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 6: at least six billion dollars and could be as high 319 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 6: as seven billion dollars. And I cannot stand here and 320 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 6: say to you that I have any confidence that that 321 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 6: even seven billion dollar number would appropriately and adequately fund 322 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 6: these games. 323 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: You know what it's giving. It's giving the count from 324 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Sesame Street going one two, ha Haally, where are these 325 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: figures coming from? How did it blow out this much? 326 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: How when your job is to keep the numbers for 327 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: the state, do you go six? Maybe seven? I'm not 328 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: even confident that seven is going to be a thing. 329 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: How do you cost other events? I'm so confused? And 330 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: when you look at the cost of something. Georgie's let's 331 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: use a house. When you're looking at a house and 332 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: you're going, I wonder how much that will cost, you 333 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: look at likehouses that have been in the same sort 334 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: of area around the same time. 335 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: So wilful. 336 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: So we have looked at like events. So let's have 337 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: a look at other Comnwealth Games. Birmingham costs one point 338 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: eight billion dollars oka the Gold Coast, so that's not 339 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: so long ago twenty eighteen one point two billion dollars. 340 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: And if we want to talk about games held on 341 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: the big scale, well you think Paris has the Olympics 342 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: next year? Yeah, how much is that going to cost? 343 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: Five billion dollars? 344 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: Five billion? Five billion, that's not seven billion. 345 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: So that's what French tax players are paying to hold 346 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: the Olympic Games. And apparently our Commonwealth Games blew out 347 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: from two point six to six maybe seven. And there's 348 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: this gaping hole in the middle where Craig Phillips, who 349 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: we mentioned is the head of the Australian Cornwealth Games, 350 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: has said, show us your books. 351 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: The state of costs overruns, in our opinion are a 352 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 4: gross exaggeration and not reflective of the operational costs presented 353 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: to the Victorian twenty twenty six Organizing Committee board as 354 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: recently as June this year. 355 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: You mentioned June, so on the eighteenth of July was 356 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 2: the cancelation date. On the thirteenth of June, now, Premier 357 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: Justinto Allen, who was responsible for the bid for the 358 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: Comonwealth Games, said they were making tremendous progress. 359 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: Tremendous that's a strong. 360 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: Word, direct quote, and this is I'm looking an article 361 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: on the cover of the Age from this week. On 362 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: the fourteenth of June, I e. The next day they 363 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 2: sought legal counsel on how to cancel the games. 364 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: Tremendous development in terms of getting one of. 365 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: Tremendous how how And I think the thing that we're 366 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: left with is again, this all happened. We're talking June July. 367 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: We're now getting to the latest stages of twenty twenty three, 368 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 2: and no one has picked it up. The athletes are 369 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: still no closer to any answer. And that's who I 370 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: think have been lost in all of this. If you're 371 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: an athlete preparing for Commonwealth Games, which is so important, 372 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: and you believe you're going to have a home games, 373 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: what's happening now. 374 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Especially think back, dear listener. As Jelmy mentioned, if you 375 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: have ever seen a celebration for the diamonds, it is 376 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: most likely that that is a Commonwealth Games. And we're 377 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: talking twenty twenty six were the end of twenty twenty three, 378 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: so in terms of you know, a lot can happen 379 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: in three years, but when you're an athlete, every single 380 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: day of that three years matters and it means something. 381 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: And to kind of put them in this limbo is 382 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: so hard, so hard for the personal athletes. And I'm 383 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: pulling all athletes in there because the power athletes and 384 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: able bodied athletes it's such a special event for them. 385 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: But Jellmy, you actually can't just walk away from a 386 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: Commonwealth Games bit. You can't just be like it's like, hey, guys, 387 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm hosting the party. Everyone come round, and then an 388 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: hour beforehand you're like, shit, I've not done anything. We're 389 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: not having this party anymore. Cancel it. You actually can't 390 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: do that. 391 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: There are consequences, and there are consequences when part of 392 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: that bid was promising infrastructure yes to taxpayers in regional areas. 393 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 2: So as part of that press conference where we heard 394 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: Dan go, well, it's maybe six seven billion. Firstly, he 395 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: framed it by going, can't take that money from the 396 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: children in the hospitals. Yes, that was the line that 397 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: was used, and everyone goes, well no, well, no, no 398 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: one wants to do that, to take six or seven 399 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: billion dollars maybe from the young or the ill. 400 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: Yes, but it's already costed though. 401 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: But when you put your hands up to host something, 402 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: what does your word stand for on a global scale? 403 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: When you then later go ah, sorry, we didn't do 404 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: the numbers. Well, and this just doesn't fly. Yes, so's 405 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: that's what's happened here. But there are costs not only 406 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: for canceling Comnwealth Games. Bodies of course are going to 407 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: ask for a handout because they've been grossly mistreated through 408 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: this process. 409 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: And it's quite a big hando. It's not small hand out, 410 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: three hundred and eight million dollars. 411 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: But Dan Andrews and the Andrews government had also promised, 412 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: don't worry, we're still going to build the infrastructure. 413 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: So they're still bending billions to. 414 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 2: The value of two billion dollars, yes, right, of which 415 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: we already established that the previous games, the last two 416 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: didn't cost that much. 417 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: I think that what has been probably other than the 418 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: whole cancelation of the Games, but the other biggest thorn 419 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: in the Australian Commonwealth Games their governing body side, has 420 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: been the lack of transparency or the lack of communication. 421 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: Craig Phillips has also gone on the record to say 422 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: that the most up to date information that they have 423 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: been getting from all of this, a lot of it 424 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: has actually come from the media, and they have not 425 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: had the conversations. The last conversations that they were privy 426 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: to were yeah, we're great, tremendously going well, yeah, going 427 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: real well, and then it was like nah, nah, babe, 428 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: we're not actually doing it. And I think that when 429 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: you are in these positions and these difficult decisions have 430 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: to be made. We know that everything is getting more expensive, 431 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: we know the inflation, we know the cost of living crisis. 432 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: Of course that's going to have an impact, but according 433 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: to Phillips, there are solutions to that. We're if you're 434 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: still going to be building the two billion dollars worth 435 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: of infrastructure in regional Victoria, then why not have the 436 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: conversation to at least bring some of the events back 437 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: to Melbourne In ready made stadia that are already purpose 438 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: built here instead of creating it there, or at. 439 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: The very least when you have the press conference, be 440 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: able to stand side by side with Craig Phillips and 441 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: say we have worked closely with the Australia. 442 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: Because odd now that you say that that is odd. 443 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: You stand and say we have pulled an all lighter. 444 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 2: But it's just got to the point where it's best 445 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: for the athletes and best for everyone that we establish 446 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: that this is money that we cannot spend. It's giving 447 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: I'm going well, narrator, it was not going well. 448 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's that dog in that meme and the fire. Yeah, 449 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: everything is fine. 450 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: Do you know what's not fine? The Victorian government's debt 451 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: is that of New South Wales, Queensland and haas Mania combined. 452 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: And the Victorian government on the nineteenth of August has 453 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: agreed to pay the Comnwealth Games Bodies three hundred and 454 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: eighty million dollars to not host. 455 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: So already just been my terrible maths. If we're spending 456 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: already the committed to plus billion dollars on the infrastructure 457 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: that has already been promised, you add in the three 458 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty billion. We're already at two and a 459 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: half billion, so we're nearly at three billion. 460 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: The Women's World Cup was eighty mil Wow to host here. 461 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 462 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. And as part of this agreement, clever. None of 463 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: the figures can be discussed. Yes, the only thing that 464 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: Dan Andrews sort of said in the press conference was 465 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: this was a great outcome because we started off galaxies apart. 466 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, because they would have been like one 467 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: billion dollars place sir, and they finally found something in 468 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 2: the middle. But again, three hundred and eighty million dollars 469 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: out of a state government. And then on top of that, 470 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: the Victorian police have come out and said we're going 471 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: to bill for six million dollars here that we can 472 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 2: add on top of that, because we sent some sergeants 473 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: to Birmingham, yeah, to see how that's done. And when 474 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: you talk about like these numbers stop having meaning six 475 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: million dollars, how many police does that mean could have 476 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 2: been on our streets? Yes, it just loses relevance for mind, 477 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: Like you just start talking about these big numbers and 478 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: this debt and it just grows and grows, and at 479 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: the core of it Unfortunately for sport lovers comes the question, George, 480 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: what price tag? Given the cost of living, given insane debts, 481 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: the governments around the world, little ande around Australia in 482 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: what is the point of hosting sport that is a 483 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: financial element, as it's been described, a moral win but 484 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: a financial limen. 485 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: Well, I think you can apply that argument to so 486 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: many different facets of life, right, It's like, why should 487 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: we keep investing in the arts, And it's because ultimately 488 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: the arts is where you find fulfillment and the arts 489 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: is where you find joy. You can make exactly the 490 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: same argument for these events and sport in general. We 491 00:23:54,359 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: saw the overwhelming joy camaraderie the Matilda's were able to 492 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: create and I say create because it didn't exist before 493 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: we hosted that Women's World Cup in some areas, but 494 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: not the ground swell that we saw. And even for 495 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: those players, there's something different about performing at an event 496 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: at home, which just is what you go into sport 497 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: probably and that elite level of sport wanting to do 498 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: is to perform in front of your home fans in 499 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: these kind of events that very rarely you get to 500 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: do that. Like athletes, especially athletics you're always traveling around 501 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: and you're performing in Europe and everywhere, but here a 502 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: butt being at home, So you're taking that away. In 503 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: terms of the reaction for everyday ossies at the time, 504 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: I think for Victorians a lot the reaction was okay, yeah, okay. 505 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: But also a little bit of no, that's embarrassing. Yes 506 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: it was, that's embarrassing. But as soon as you put 507 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: sport in the same sentence as hospitals. 508 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Oh yes, now our children, that. 509 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: Would go well obviously, like, yes, I'm not going to 510 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: argue that sport is more important than the sick, but 511 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: you made us a promise that this was going to happen. 512 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: And then how does that reflect on any future promises 513 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: for Australia, let alone Victoria Australian's tape. 514 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: For granted that we win like we win at Olympics, 515 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: we win at Commonwealth Games. Do you know what inspires 516 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: people to decide to be track and field athletes when 517 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: they're grossly underfunded and go four years at a time 518 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: without anyone really caring and then all of a sudden 519 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: get to the big stage is the fact that sometimes 520 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: we host a home Commonwealth Games and they get to 521 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 2: go and sit in the stands and go I want 522 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: to be the next Peter Ball, I want to be 523 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: the next Armie. It's those moments and they inspire people 524 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: and we will promised that and it was taken promise. 525 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: But more the point, will we ever see Commonwealth Games again? 526 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: Well, if Tom Tate, the Mayor of the Gold Coast, 527 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: has his way, he would he would love to love 528 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: to see them. 529 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 2: The primary victorious lemon the Gold Coast can turn that 530 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: into a lemonade. 531 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: That's Tom Tait's words. The Queensland Premier he had a 532 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: good time on the Gold Coast. Queensland Premier Anistaga Palache says, 533 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: we don't want that lemonade. There will be no lemonade here. 534 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: So also his deputy said no, no, it was absolutely 535 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: no way that the Gold Coast can host this because 536 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: all of the infrastructure that they had in the twenty 537 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: eighteen Games is now being used to house people, so 538 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: there's actually nowhere for the athletes to go. But you've 539 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: got to love his spirit. 540 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: Don't you love the mayor's coming out. Ba Zempler straight 541 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: away was like what about person, and the premiers like 542 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: stop that, stop that, don't you dare like the mayor 543 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: may come out and get the popular boat and be 544 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: like our city, welcome everyone, welcome here, and the premiers 545 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: is like no, no, absolutely not debt. It starts with 546 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: deep debt. 547 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: Debt. No, Yeah, I think I think that it's a 548 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: problem facing all of these huge events, whether it be 549 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: World Cups, Olympics, coming well games is just how to 550 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: host them and how to host them feasibly that isn't 551 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: going to bankrupt the host nation. I think that is 552 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: why we are seeing it spread across like the sharing rights, 553 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: Like I mean, we talk about the Women's World Cup 554 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: that was shared with New Zealand as well, so Australia 555 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: New Zealand shared that. So I feel like we might 556 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: see it again, but it would definitely be that kind 557 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: of model. 558 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: And this was sensational in theory because it was building 559 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: infrastructure in the regions, so you were spending money where 560 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: you'd like to spend money anyway, but getting the moral 561 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 2: feel good of sport that goes with it, and also 562 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: putting you forget, this is a world stage. This is 563 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: countries around the world looking at regional victoria. 564 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to put them on the map. People 565 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: are going to be like oh ben to go. What's 566 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: more amazing places to go to? So the people in 567 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: the regions were thrilled. 568 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: We talk about the Andrews government. Dan Andrews has decided 569 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: to no longer be premier and it is just into Allen. 570 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: So your gut response goes, oh, she's gonna have to 571 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: mop up what Dan did. It was her bid, she 572 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: did it, she did it, she did it. 573 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: I think that's the other response is that people like, oh, 574 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: well that's done now because Dan's left. Oh well new Slate, 575 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 1: new Slaate. Ah No, justinto Allen is the person that 576 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: is still getting brought in front of Senate inquiries to 577 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: answer questions about why this failed. 578 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: How can you argue you didn't mislead people when on 579 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 2: one day you've said it's going tremendously and then on 580 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: the next day it's like, we've got to cancel, pullpin all. 581 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: Those politics, keep those politics out of sport. It's impassible. 582 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: It's the question is who gets it? Where does it go? 583 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: It still doesn't have a host. Where's it going. 584 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: Has this damaged Melbourne or white A Victoria's standing as 585 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: a sporting capital of the world. 586 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, dear listener, Jeremy puts her head in her hands. 587 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: I yes, she's so sad, but it does. It does 588 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: Queensland right for the new home of sport. 589 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 2: I'm not done, but we need to get to the 590 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: fun fact so we can talk about how great Australia 591 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: is at supporting sport. 592 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: Gell me, it's time for another fun fact. 593 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: I've never teased a fun fact before, but I just 594 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: did because this is one that will make you feel 595 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: good to be part of Australian sport. Okay, Georgie twenty 596 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: twenty three. Average game attendance for sports teams worldwide. Yeah yeah, 597 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: Number one Bruceia Dortmund. 598 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah that makes it. 599 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: Eighty one thousand is the average attendance, which is unbelievable. 600 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: The game per game, yes, standard weekday game. 601 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 602 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: Number two the world. We're talking about Collingwood Football Club. 603 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: You can't make this shit up. 604 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 6: No. 605 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 2: Seventy seven thousand, six hundred and fifty nine Magpie's. 606 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: They really don't need another win. They don't need another 607 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: stat that they can get around. 608 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: To give you. The rest of the list by Munich 609 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 2: seventy five thousand, Manchester United seventy three plus Pidley into 610 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: Milan seventy two think. 611 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: Of the world clubs. 612 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: That they are and it's the world game, it's the 613 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: beautiful game, and the number two Collingwood FC that the 614 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: Premierships are cakewalk and sol attendance. It's unbelievable and. 615 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: It does make me think of back to that winning 616 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: Grand Final and Darcy Moore, the most brilliant captain, says 617 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank our eighteenth man, which was the 618 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: Magpie Army. And you look at these stats and you're like, 619 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: they are an extra person on that field, because if 620 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 1: you've got a stadium of one hundred thousand people and 621 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: seventy seven on average thousand of you are wearing black 622 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: and white. 623 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: It felt like that at the Grand Fart. Also, the 624 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: fact that you managed to get Darcy Moore into this 625 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: because you found girl him at the moment is. 626 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: I got to interview Darcimore recently and I just love 627 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: him everyone, that's the thing. And I asked him the question. 628 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: I was like, what's it like being the most loved 629 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: player and a hated team? And he's like, yeah, I 630 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: guess kind of weird. 631 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: I was like, yes, let's. 632 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: Deep dive into that. 633 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: But they're not a hated team. 634 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: Well not anymore because again, well actually you're right, they're not. 635 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: Their fans love them. Seventy seven thousand. 636 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: That stat blew my mind and it's going to be 637 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: coming to a backpage a U because you just believed 638 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: that the AFL and Colin would'll get a hold of 639 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: it and put it on t shirts. 640 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, to put it unbelievable into some kind of perspective, like, yes, 641 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I know the stadium sizes do play a part here. 642 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: But playing get Home at the MCG quite important. 643 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: Quite important. But I do think, you know, if we 644 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: equate that to an NRL match, if I think the 645 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: Broncos averagely maybe like thirty forty thousand members, if they 646 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: got you know, an average of thirty thousand to a 647 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: game in a fifty two and a half thousand seat stadium, 648 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: that would be incredible. 649 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: So they don't, though they don't. 650 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: They don't, and like you know, some I would say 651 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the average NRL crowd is probably between twenty twenty five thousand. 652 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: That's big, that'd be generous, to be generous. 653 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: The years when they're at Subiaco West Coast had more 654 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: members that had seeded tickets than there were seats. 655 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: That where do they what do the members go, what 656 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: do they do? 657 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: Well, you just had to wait. You're on a wait 658 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: list for when people it was like the MCC, you're 659 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: on a wait list for when people gave up their 660 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: membership that you would get seeded tickets. And then it 661 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: created this economy which we see at the moment with 662 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: the MCC, where it's like, oh, it's a lot of money, 663 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: but what if I give it up, You'll never get 664 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: it back. People put their net kids' names down for 665 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: KINDI before they're born, becau it's hard to get into 666 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: and the MCC wait listed. 667 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: It's just those two things. 668 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: And it's like, kid doesn't have a name, honestly, little 669 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: Maggie McCrae, and that's all we have time for. I 670 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: don't think Maggie McCrae was photographed in the cup's gonna 671 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: have any problem getting attendance to a game. She may 672 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: just be in a box or a wing named after Maggie. 673 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: They'll be tattoos. Someone will get a tattooed on them. 674 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: Oh, of course, they probably already have a lot of problems. 675 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: All right, this is about where we need to go. 676 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: We are so interested as to what you think about 677 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games. Do you care? Are you like us 678 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: in you care? Or do you think this is the 679 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: death of something that should have died a long time ago. 680 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: We've got questions, so hit us up on Instagram at 681 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: two good sports a podcasts. We love your feedback and 682 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: if you have a fun fact, save us some homework, 683 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: do our research for us. We'd love you to slide 684 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: into our dms with a fun fact, but Georgie until 685 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: next week. Be a good sport,