1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nason. 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: Down to the Jonesy demand of arms for the pub 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: test today character references for someone who's accused of a 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: terrible crime. This has come to light after Ashton, Kutcher 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: and Millicunis apologize for the pain their letters on behalf 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: of Danny Masterson. Of course he was from that seventies show. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: He played hide in that show. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 3: Yes, he was their colleague on that show and friend 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: he has been sentenced to thirty years in prison thirty 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: years to life in prison for raping two women in 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: two thousand and three. They wrote letters character references on 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: his behalf to the judge, and Ashton, Kutcher and Millicunas 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: have now apologized for the pain that they may have 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: caused people who feel that they don't believe victims of 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: sexual assault, et cetera. They said, oh, look, we just wrote. 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: We didn't expect Well, I'm saying I don't think they 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: expected these letters to be made public. They did say 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: they were only intended for the judge. But what does 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: this do to people on the receiving end of terrible 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 3: sexual assault who have to listen to famous people saying, hey, 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: the guy's okay. We had this all with John Howard, 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: who wrote a very glowing reference for George pell after 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: serious offenses against young boys. Yes, he challenged those and 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: was released from prison, but there's a big stench around it. 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: For a former prime minister support him. What does that 26 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: say to the victim? 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: If it's just for the judge when he's sentencing and 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: he's supposed to be impartial, he's trying to get a 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: vibe of what this person's like. I'm not defending it, 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: but the law is an ass as they say, there's 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: a lot of crazy things that go on in the law, 32 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: and character references have been a big part. 33 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 3: But it's always been the way. The person you know 34 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: isn't the person who's committed those crimes. It's true, but 35 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: does that by saying so, it lessens how seriously you 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: take the victims of these crimes. So the tribal drum 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: is bidding for character references for people who've committed serious 38 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: offenses as a past the pub test a serious crime. 39 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Once I've done the crime, they get 40 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: to do the time. There shouldn't be any sort of 41 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: handing tom or character reference because they've just destroyed us. Now, 42 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't past the pub test if you know, if 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: someone's committed a mean this crime and you support them 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: just as bad as they are to me. No, it 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: doesn't pass the pup get and Ashton apologized that I 46 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: know they've done the wrong things. No, it doesn't. As 47 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: a victimer crime, it doesn't speak or he shiates the crime. 48 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't pass the pub tist. Yes, it does pass 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the pub test. Look, ob actually written a character reference 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: to somebody accused of jailer ostense and you do it 51 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: based on your knowledge of the individual and that's basically 52 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: with the full a wellness of the charges against the court. 53 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: In my case, it was justified because he was totally 54 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: indicated in court after the fact. If the conviction has 55 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: been recorded, I don't think it passed the pub test. 56 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: But if they're just accused, then I think it does 57 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: pass the pub test. 58 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: Some interesting stuff that I remember that when your axe 59 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: murdering past comes up. 60 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: Sure, and when that comes up, you let me know 61 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: as well, because I've completely forgotten about it. 62 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for all your calls.