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Speaker 1: In the studio with us this morning. Well we've got

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Police Families and various other portfolios. Kate Warden,

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Speaker 1: good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, and good morning to all us

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Speaker 2: teachers out there this morning. We should say straight up

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Speaker 2: that it's World Teachers Day to day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a big happy World Teacher's Day to

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Speaker 1: all the wonderful teachers. And Matt Cunningham from Sky News,

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Get a woolfie. Sorry on the fly this morning. Bit happening.

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Speaker 1: What's happening? As always anything we should know about right now?

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Speaker 3: Doing this Peter Dutton thing?

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Speaker 1: What did he do?

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Speaker 4: Peter Dutton?

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Speaker 5: Yesterday's called for an inquiry into indigenous sex abuse in

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Speaker 5: the Northern Territory rise visit Taylis.

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Speaker 3: Springs last week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well we're.

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Speaker 3: Making a few national head.

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Speaker 1: Headlines around the place. All right, we can take a

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Speaker 1: bit of a closer look at that, but we better

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Speaker 1: introduce our third guest on the panel this morning. Jared Mayley,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, Good morning listeners and special good morning

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Speaker 4: to Macca and is out there and how it's rings

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Speaker 4: working any shed, So.

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Speaker 1: Good morning for your staff well, and of course the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition leader. Now there is a lot to on

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Speaker 1: this morning, and talking nationally, we might firstly touch on

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Speaker 1: the fact that the federal budget was handed down earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week. The treasure US says that Australians know

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Speaker 1: that governments can't make inflation disappear overnight, and they don't

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Speaker 1: need us taking steps that would make the problem worse

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Speaker 1: by putting even more pressure on prices and making the

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Speaker 1: Independent Reserve Bank's job even harder. So there's much been

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Speaker 1: said obviously about the federal budget which was delivered, but

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Speaker 1: one of the big points that has been made is

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Speaker 1: that plenty of people feeling as though it hasn't delivered

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Speaker 1: a lot in it for the Northern Territory though. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the infrastructure spend.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, huge, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Two point five billion dollars coming into the territory, effectively

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Speaker 2: funding the plans that we put forward, which is very

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Speaker 2: exciting news for the territory.

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Speaker 6: In you in the future of that precinct down.

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Speaker 2: At Middle Arm really good there and also some commitments

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Speaker 2: around roads. But I think essentially the budget deliver a

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Speaker 2: pretty poor outlook for things like power prices, particularly along

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Speaker 2: I might be looking to come and move to Darwin,

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Speaker 2: because obviously that's not going to affect us in the

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Speaker 1: Through that very quickly, because there's been a bit of

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Speaker 1: obviously a government owned or power Waters a government owned corporation,

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Speaker 2: We get We've been on the very upfront that we

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Speaker 2: sorry Jared, not thirty percent that we saw previously massive high.

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Speaker 1: Sorry I had to get us.

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Speaker 2: I think on the Eastern seaboards that's going up about

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Speaker 2: fifty percent. I think they're projecting over the next few

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Speaker 5: The CPI increase will be interesting next year because it's

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Speaker 5: think it's worth noting Katie that we probably owe Paul

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Speaker 5: flak previously over a decision he made when he was

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Speaker 5: Now, these issues at the moment with the supply, they're

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Speaker 5: And when we turn around next year and our power

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Speaker 1: Got history lesson well, And this is the thing because

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Speaker 1: it's so bloody expensive, like cost of living so high

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Speaker 1: government to get back to the negotiating table. But the

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Speaker 4: It one hundred percent? You know, because there's budgets delivering

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Speaker 4: a lot of money, but the buckstop through the labor

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Speaker 4: Will it flow through to local contractors. They've got a

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Speaker 4: confusion over you know what this equity funding means how

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Speaker 4: that's all going to work. And a lot of these

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Speaker 4: you know, I know there was some child care subsidy,

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Speaker 4: but that doesn't kick off until next year. And another

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Speaker 4: problem with the child care is not only the affordability,

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Speaker 4: very difficult if you've got my children just out of

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Speaker 4: other day which is hurting territories? Then remember you come

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Speaker 5: Charactory on the team to ask Kate about this because

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Speaker 5: I have some issues with We know you've got issues.

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Speaker 3: I've got lots of issues.

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Speaker 5: We've been here for a long time. Just ask my

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Speaker 5: wife but I've got the child care changes in the budget,

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Speaker 5: and they were announced before the election. Give childcare subsidies

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Speaker 3: Thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: This is a labor party, that is, this is the

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Speaker 5: on earth is the labor party giving handouts welfare handouts

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Speaker 5: to people earning five hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, If you earn five hundred and thirty thousand

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Speaker 5: like that. That just seems out of sync with what

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Speaker 2: It's probably not the only time that there haven't been

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Speaker 2: But you make you do make a really good point,

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Speaker 2: But I mean childcare. I'm just particularly pleased that child

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Speaker 2: also particularly pleased around parental leave. I think that the

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Speaker 2: to him, I just said, I don't I find it.

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Speaker 6: That's not my space. I don't operate in.

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Speaker 2: It day and and it's been a long time since

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Speaker 2: I've had need the need for childcare. But I do,

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Speaker 2: We need to make sure that our childcare workers have

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Speaker 6: And that's a that's a very long.

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Speaker 5: I wonder why that money wouldn't be better spent trying

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Speaker 2: We have to remember that that is private enterprise. Child

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Speaker 2: you to take twenty more people. You could incentivize that,

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Speaker 6: So I think if you were in the.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean there was a sorry, Matte, were you going to

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Speaker 3: I probably should just rewind?

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Speaker 5: Just just to my point on the E and I

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Speaker 5: and the gas, right is that?

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Speaker 3: And it's been pointed out to me by a couple

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Speaker 5: And they're right, well that perhaps the benefits of that,

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Speaker 5: even the text, perhaps the benefits of that great deal

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Speaker 5: has has been offset somewhat by our perhaps over alicely

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Speaker 5: four solar farms that are still not.

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Speaker 3: Corrected to the grid.

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Speaker 5: To the grid, and because the electricity grid, the grid.

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Speaker 1: Contact us about this and a few people have been

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Speaker 1: in contact with us this week basically, you know, basically

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Speaker 1: questioning exactly that. And so it's still a situation where

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Speaker 1: they're not connected.

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Speaker 7: There's still connect The connective is they're not able to

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Speaker 2: About improving infrastructure, and it's definitely a direction that Power

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Speaker 6: And that's a lot of the game has to be done.

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Speaker 4: We've got a nine billion dollar debt. We spend money

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Speaker 5: He wants to see an inquiry into indigenous sex abusy

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Speaker 3: At the moment, the same thing that we were.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matt, and thanks for flagging it, because I actually

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Speaker 6: I find it a very interesting.

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Speaker 2: There is a big disparity between what just into talks

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Speaker 6: I can tell you absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Now, the trauma of removal is far greater and far

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Speaker 6: That's an out and out fallacy to say that they're

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Speaker 2: I think that she's completely out of step with our

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Speaker 6: Here in the territory, we do an awful lot of work.

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Speaker 6: Children going in than coming out. And we're very proud

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Speaker 4: Someone comes up from down South, it goes for a

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Speaker 6: Absolutely what an embarrassment that you think that children. That's

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Speaker 1: One thing I will say is that you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: But sorry or just noted those comments that you'd made Kate,

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Speaker 2: I mean absolutely it's a very serious Would you not

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Speaker 2: I have to say we have got our own Indigenous

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Speaker 2: Of course we care about children in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 2: I think the key point here is that it's not

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Speaker 2: Has never once written to me as the Minister for

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Speaker 1: You said just a moment ago that Indigenous sex abuse

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Speaker 2: So addressing anti social behavior, homelessness, poverty, all of those

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Speaker 6: They are factors that have been coming for a very

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Speaker 2: They're cumulative and there's a lot of people in the

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Speaker 6: In unsub substantiated matters. So I think we've got to

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Speaker 2: I think we very rarely talk about child protection because

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Speaker 6: It's just such an important.

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Speaker 6: So I'm happy to go go away from the story.

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Speaker 2: I hope that you know Dutton does more than make

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Speaker 6: Sorts of support a Royal commission.

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Speaker 2: Kate, without any evidence that that's needed at this point

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Speaker 4: That they ring up family and there's no answering.

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Speaker 6: Rubbish, it's true, No, absolutely rubbish. You have to get

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to get ready to have a

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Speaker 3: What you want for that?

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Speaker 5: Mick Gooda at the time described as a second stolen generation.

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Speaker 5: There was a really interesting exchange between Mick Gooda and

446
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Speaker 5: Hillary Hannam Hannam where Mick Gooda was saying, I'm hearing

447
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Speaker 5: about a second stolen generation where Aboriginal kids are being

448
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Speaker 5: removed from their family for no good reason, and Hillary Hannam,

449
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Speaker 5: who had a lot of experience as a chief magistrate

450
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Speaker 5: dealing with these cases her, I think to quote verbatim,

451
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Speaker 5: she actually said that the opposite is true. She said

452
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Speaker 5: there are far more cases where there are substantiated cases

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Speaker 5: of abuse and those children are not being removed to

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Speaker 5: a safe place.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen, massive reforms, two hundred and fifty million dollars

457
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Speaker 2: plus into the system. I'd be very happy for someone

458
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Speaker 2: like Ken Davies or Darrell Anderson to come in and

459
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Speaker 2: give some facts around the child protection system, because if

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Speaker 2: that's you know, if that's topical, you need the facts

461
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Speaker 2: in there around systemic reform, and that has happened. What's

462
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Speaker 2: being said by Jared mostly is absolutely insulting to all

463
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Speaker 2: our child protection offices across the.

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Speaker 4: Failed Territorians case.

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Speaker 3: That's act.

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Speaker 1: Gets microphones down and we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: take a very short break. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty. While I've got everybody

469
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Speaker 1: fired up this morning, let's talk about these reports of

470
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Speaker 1: COLP leadership wose and we know that it was being

471
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Speaker 1: reported throughout the week that Leofanokiro's position as the leader

472
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Speaker 1: of the country Liberal parties understood to be under threat,

473
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Speaker 1: I mean an internal power struggle within the Territory opposition.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Northern Territory News was reporting. They had

475
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Speaker 1: said that a senior source close to the party had

476
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Speaker 1: reportedly told them that an internal divide has emerged within

477
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Speaker 1: the COLP as a push to our miss Finocchio looms.

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Speaker 4: Jared, I can tell you that is absolutely alive, absolutely

479
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Speaker 4: not true. And we say that just this is just

480
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Speaker 4: a rumor fueled by labor because they've lit these concerns

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Speaker 4: about the crime and anti social behavior. Did they start

482
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Speaker 4: raising And I think yesterday I was listening to your

483
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Speaker 4: show and you said all the labor people rang up

484
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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 1: Say no, they hadn't wrung me. I'd had a few

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Speaker 1: sources within labor that had said to me that they'd

487
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Speaker 1: heard that. There certainly wasn't people before within labor ringing me,

488
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Speaker 1: but yes, that they had heard the same. Look, I've

489
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Speaker 1: got to say, there wasn't a lot of There wasn't

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Speaker 1: a lot of support for there to be a change

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Speaker 1: of leadership from my listeners yesterday on the.

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Speaker 4: Show got our one hundred percent support and there's no

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Speaker 4: change of issue, only change the issue. With one of

494
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Speaker 4: your listeners said yesterday needs to be she needs to

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Speaker 4: be the chief minister, that's change.

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Speaker 5: Can you guarantee, Jared, can you guarantee that Leah Nokier

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Speaker 5: will be the leader who takes a CLP to the

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four I can guarantee that.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, does Steve Edgington feel the same because that

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Speaker 1: is the name that had.

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Speaker 4: Been around the being with Steve and we've been the

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Speaker 4: man of greedy this week. And we didn't discuss this

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Speaker 4: because it we've never discussed it at Wing. We didn't

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Speaker 4: know about until we got back. But I can guarantee

505
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Speaker 4: you and anyone who wants to hear that Leo will

506
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Speaker 4: be our leader in twenty four and she was the

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Speaker 4: chief minister straight after the election.

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Speaker 6: A show that just keeps giving. Jared, so you didn't.

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Speaker 4: Really like money.

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Speaker 2: He's happy to sit there and put me under the pump, mate,

511
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Speaker 2: But you don't look too convincing to me. It's continuous dysfunction. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 2: but how come not one of you has come out

513
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Speaker 2: and backed Lea over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 4: Lea has and she's our leader.

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Speaker 2: She's not even here, so it's just tip shoes away

516
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Speaker 2: and we put the knives in like it's just we've

517
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Speaker 2: been hearing him. But do you support her one hundred percent?

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Speaker 4: I support Let's hear Steve Edgington.

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Speaker 6: Comes and say the same thing, because I won't.

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Speaker 4: You can get you on the phone and that you will.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess the difficulty is here is that if

522
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Speaker 1: he is the person you know who is keen to

523
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Speaker 1: take that role, you know he won that Tenant Creek

524
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Speaker 1: or the Barkley seed on a knife seat. There was

525
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Speaker 1: nothing in it maybe, But you know, I always think

526
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Speaker 1: that the really interesting thing in political parties, no matter

527
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Speaker 1: whether you're talking about the CLP or the ALP, is

528
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Speaker 1: that there are always those rumblings when it comes to leadership,

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Speaker 1: and there are always egos in politics, There's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But you know, but you've sort of got to ask

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Speaker 1: yourself as well. I suppose at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: if somebody were to say would you vote for Steve Edgington,

533
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Speaker 1: I think that Joe blogs in the Northern suburbs probably

534
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Speaker 1: wouldn't actually know who he is.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's not going to happen, because Lee is our

536
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Speaker 4: leader and he's going to be the leader of the election,

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Speaker 4: full stop.

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Speaker 2: It's just really fascinating that you're quick to blame labor.

539
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Speaker 2: But I've actually heard it from two c l P

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Speaker 2: sources myself over the last twelve What do.

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Speaker 6: You name them?

542
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Speaker 4: What are your name them?

543
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Speaker 6: A toothless tiger?

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Speaker 2: Name them?

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Speaker 4: Come on, come on, come on.

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Speaker 6: To it has been liberal. It's not true.

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Speaker 1: Talk for a moment.

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Speaker 5: Do you think if we asked all of your colleagues

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Speaker 5: they would give the same answer.

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Speaker 4: You didder.

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Speaker 5: So if we are Steve, and if we are Bill,

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Speaker 5: and if we are Josh, they'd all be absolutely one hundred.

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Speaker 3: Percent locked in.

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Speaker 2: But they have been asked and they've been silent, absolute silence.

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Speaker 4: Because we've got our media and we go through and lea.

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Speaker 4: Our leaders responded, absolutely not true. It's a life. So

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Speaker 4: we're a team unlike labor. And we listened our leader

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Speaker 4: and she she's here something and that's full stop.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't. You don't never miss as a beat.

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Speaker 6: Now look for is coming. We're all good in Japan,

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Speaker 6: the United Team. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I was dealing with rumor and Scuttle. Are you one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent contesting the next election?

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Speaker 4: Contesting the next time?

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Speaker 1: Had there been?

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Speaker 3: But it was rumored Scuttle was giving much credence.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you that is not true.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go.

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Speaker 6: Well, if I get.

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Speaker 4: Elected as normal problem, because that's thes see people's house screen, good, we.

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Speaker 6: Might consider being anina instead.

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Speaker 1: I am there for the long run. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: take another short break. You are listening to Mix one

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Speaker 1: O four nine's three sixty is the week that was?

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was? If you've

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Speaker 1: just joined us, we've got Kate Warden, Matt Cunningham and

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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley in the studio this morning. Now, an interesting

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Speaker 1: bit of information that has come out in the last

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and that is the shade structure on

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Speaker 1: Cavanaugh Streak. It's apparently costing taxpayers ninety thousand dollars a

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Speaker 1: year and is six times the cost since twenty twenty one. So, Jared,

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Speaker 1: you've been doing a bit of homework by the look

583
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Speaker 1: of things, and you've done some written questions to the

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Speaker 1: government uncovered the monthly maintenance of that vine cost taxpayers

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Speaker 1: ninety thousand dollars per year. Now, the answer also revealed

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Speaker 1: that the expenditure on that vine for twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: to twenty three financial year to date was forty eight

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Speaker 1: thousy three hundred and three dollars, and it's expected to

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Speaker 1: be one hundred thousand dollars per year over the next

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Speaker 1: twelve to twenty four months. I pray for the vine structure.

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Speaker 1: I keep thinking of hope it gets religious person, not really,

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope that it gets some more shade

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Speaker 1: over it.

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Speaker 4: There's one hundred thousand dollars a year of taxpayers money

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Speaker 4: going into a shade structure that you know ultimately it

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Speaker 4: just needs to be shaved. The vine's pulled off. Put

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Speaker 4: a roofine and Bob's your uncle one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeare guys. If it actually got going, it'll look so nice.

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Speaker 4: Yes, just have a lookit.

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Speaker 5: I've pulled up the original artist impressions.

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Speaker 3: Looks amazing. They play the wrong vine.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand why when they planted the wrong vine.

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Speaker 5: John Antler from he used to work for parks, he's

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Speaker 5: like in the expert. He told him four years ago

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Speaker 5: they planted the wrong vine.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know. On those stage they didn't rip

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Speaker 3: the one out that they planted.

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Speaker 4: And fixated not taking advice. He fixes easy, putting your viney,

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Speaker 4: But this is these things too arrogant to fix it.

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Speaker 6: Totally fixated on these things.

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Speaker 2: Whereas the was a bigger revitalization project, A number of

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Speaker 2: those things have all gone ahead. You can see all

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Speaker 2: the fantastic work at Stakes where that's going to continue.

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Speaker 6: Through all the artwork through the city of Darwin.

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Speaker 2: And I think whilst you can keep parping on about

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Speaker 2: the vine, which, by the way, I love driving through

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Speaker 2: that on my pushbike at night with it lit up.

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Speaker 2: It's just beautiful. You can keep talking about that shade structure.

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Speaker 2: But essentially we have revitalized the city as part and

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Speaker 2: that was one small part of a very big project.

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Speaker 2: That work continues because we know we want to have

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Speaker 2: our capital city looking absolutely fantastic for others.

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Speaker 6: It's just a bigger.

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Speaker 4: Part of a lot of project.

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Speaker 2: You can get fixated, and you are fixated, and it's

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Speaker 2: a bit of a shame you don't see the big picture.

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Speaker 6: I've been on the.

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Speaker 1: Look. It is disappointing. I think that it's not like

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Speaker 1: it's not actually covered at this point, and I think

631
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Speaker 1: everybody wants it to sort of get to the point

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Speaker 1: where it is entirely covered. But it is an awful

633
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Speaker 1: lot of money that it costs to maintain it.

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Speaker 6: Isn't it for something?

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Speaker 1: And I guess when you kind of think to yourself,

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Speaker 1: you know, not that I want to take everything back

637
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: to kids sport or to sport, but when you kind

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Speaker 1: of think about the amount that that's costing and what

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Speaker 1: you know, like what it could be going towards, I

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Speaker 1: suppose or different.

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Speaker 3: On the day on festival opening concert.

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Speaker 6: So again it's a one.

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Speaker 2: Project City Revitalization, which has failed. We've done a whole

644
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Speaker 2: fix it to try and fix it.

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Speaker 6: I love this. You know the fact that you can try.

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Speaker 2: New things and then if it doesn't work out exactly,

647
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: the c LP will spend years talking about it because

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00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: they're fixated on it, whereas they don't see the broader

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Speaker 2: picture of all the revitalization of our beautiful city. You

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Speaker 2: have to have a vision. They got no vision. I

651
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: don't hear them talking about a vision for our city.

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Speaker 2: Whereas you go into State Square now and you see

653
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Speaker 2: all the beautifications, you see in the connectivity with the waterfront,

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Speaker 2: you do all that expansive work we're doing down the waterfront,

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Speaker 2: and here he comes in with his little vine story.

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Speaker 6: Every time.

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Speaker 4: I can tell your vision for the Northern Territory, why

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Speaker 4: don't we get the two klaor and stop many social

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Speaker 4: behavior so.

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Speaker 2: Can't clarify that on radio. I think it's really important

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Speaker 2: because he's been a broken record on this for the

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Speaker 2: last week. I think it's important that people understand drinking

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Speaker 2: in public is illegal. If you look under the Public

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Speaker 2: the Liquor Act, it's illegal. It actually specifies that you

665
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Speaker 2: can't drink in public in.

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Speaker 1: Dar said enough.

667
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Speaker 2: You cannot drink in public in Darwin, in Alice Springs,

668
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: in Tenant Creek. It names those places you cannot drink

669
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Speaker 2: in public. The police have the power to come along

670
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: and tip at that alcohol and give you an infringement.

671
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: Notice what you're saying, Jared, and telling people that drinking

672
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: in public is correct is wrong. So don't keep peddling

673
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: that crap, because that's what it is today. The big

674
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: is illegal to drink in public spaces in our cities.

675
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Speaker 1: Why do we still, like, honestly, I reckon, I've asked

676
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: every minister this, why do we still see people drinking

677
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Speaker 1: in public spaces?

678
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 6: Because people go ahead and drink in public spaces.

679
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: The police should go along, but they can't be everywhere

680
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: all the time, Katie. So if you report it that

681
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: the drinking's going on in public spaces, the police can

682
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: come along and address that issue.

683
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 6: It's illegal to drink in our towns and cities. It's

684
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 6: very very clear in the Act.

685
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Speaker 2: They ignore over there. What they want us to do

686
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: is to find people. If you find everybody for drinking

687
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: in a public space, you know what will happen. Our

688
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: jails will just get more and more fool from people.

689
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Speaker 1: It's not why some people were even questioning with the

690
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: trespass changes that have been announced as well, is what

691
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: kind of difference are you going to make if we're

692
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: going to wind up in a bit of a similar

693
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: situation where people aren't able to pay their fines if

694
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Speaker 1: they are caught trespassing.

695
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: The difference in the trespass and the really key thing

696
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: around trespass changes is now you know, if you own

697
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: the building, Katie, but someone's got a building in that

698
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: building or a security guard, they can act on your

699
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: behalf now, whereas a lot of the problem has been

700
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Speaker 2: that you really need the building owner to do that.

701
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Speaker 6: So we made those changes.

702
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: Trespass is still possible, and particularly in places like town

703
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 2: camps and Alla Springs, we're working really hard with the

704
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: town camps to make those effective.

705
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: What that wasn't a question Katos about the money in

706
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Speaker 4: the fine where they.

707
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Is so there is a fine associated with it now

708
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Speaker 2: for people that continuously breach.

709
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: That one, that's the question, Well.

710
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Speaker 2: Are you advocating that there'd be no fine, because on

711
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: one side you're saying around the two k or they

712
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: should be a fine, and then you're saying here oh,

713
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Speaker 2: they should never find a dresspass.

714
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Speaker 6: Make up your mind, Jared, So make up your mind.

715
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Speaker 1: Well, look, while we're on this, I might actually segue

716
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Speaker 1: to the basketball's anti social behaviors and the fact that

717
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: they've got some issues there out at basketball with anti

718
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: social behavior, you know, people rocking up there, young people

719
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Speaker 1: who aren't actually involved in basketball board ending up there

720
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Speaker 1: and doing the wrong thing. No, I know that we've

721
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: spoken to we'd spoken to Kerry Savage on the show

722
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: earlier in the week and shit outlined what they are

723
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Speaker 1: going to be doing to try and you know, to

724
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Speaker 1: try and minimize this situation. But would it be would

725
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Speaker 1: you be able to you know, for basketball, for example,

726
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Speaker 1: would they be able to issue trespass notices?

727
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they can and we're happy to work with them

728
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: around that. But I think the key is, and you

729
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: heard Kerry yesterday say that what a fantastic job a

730
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Speaker 2: government had done in working with them this week. As

731
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Speaker 2: soon as we became aware of the issue, we've had

732
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Speaker 2: people go out and engage with basketball and put in

733
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Speaker 2: place some measures that will work. We're also going to

734
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Speaker 2: start hot spotting through there at the particular times that

735
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: they've identified that it's an issue. As soon as we've

736
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Speaker 2: became issue of it, aware of it, we're doing a

737
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Speaker 2: local solution and that's what we're doing and working with

738
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Speaker 2: them and there'll be improvements there.

739
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Speaker 1: Gents, anything you'd like to say on the basketball situation.

740
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Speaker 4: I really hope it works, but I've got some really

741
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: concerned about the Labour's policies about crime and our social

742
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: behavior because I think the crime figures came out just

743
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: recently Friday. Everything's up under this gun has been in

744
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: power for six years and all this done is increased

745
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: crime in our social behavior. So fingers cross it worse

746
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 4: because you know, it's affecting territory, it's affecting tourists, but

747
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: this laborgunment seemed to have failed on that.

748
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 2: Well, we'll work proactively with basketball, and you know, Kerry

749
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Speaker 2: and I have already.

750
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Speaker 6: Corresponded this week directly.

751
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: We've been supporting basketball for the last twelve months with

752
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: the salties and obviously we don't want to see that

753
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: going backwards, and we want to make sure that they

754
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: can keep as many kids playing.

755
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 6: Basketball as possible.

756
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Speaker 2: So we are as soon as we've become aware of it,

757
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: we've got in there and we're helping them out.

758
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Speaker 5: It should happen to those kids who rock up there

759
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 5: to play the actual game, Katie, because as Peter Styles

760
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 5: always says, into sport and now of court.

761
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Speaker 1: That's exactly wrong. Yeah, well, look, we will take a

762
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Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to Mix one O

763
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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was. Look,

764
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: it's been an incredibly busy week in here. It always is.

765
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Speaker 1: One of the things though, that we did speak to

766
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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister about on Monday, and Kate, we've certainly

767
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: spoken to you about this one as well. Is the

768
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Speaker 1: situation in Alice Springs around crime and anti social behavior.

769
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Speaker 1: I know that there was a substantial amount in the

770
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Speaker 1: budget as well in this area. The Chief Minister had

771
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Speaker 1: said on the show on Monday that there are two

772
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Speaker 1: locations I believe which have been identified as possibilities for

773
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Speaker 1: youths to potentially be able to go at night time

774
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Speaker 1: so that they are off the streets. Where is that at?

775
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is a body of work that we've

776
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Speaker 2: been doing, probably for about a couple of months at

777
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Speaker 2: least now. I think I spoke to you a while

778
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: back about the early investigations. Because you can't detain young

779
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: people who haven't done anything, So being out at night,

780
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Speaker 2: although we would see that as probably risky, it's actually

781
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: not illegal for young people to be out at night time.

782
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: But obviously they get bored and they fall in with

783
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Speaker 2: wrong groups and then they do bad things.

784
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 3: We know that and be the subject of a child

785
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Speaker 3: protection at it.

786
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Speaker 6: So that's what we've been working through.

787
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Speaker 2: So just so for those experts sitting here, that would

788
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Speaker 2: be my first assumption.

789
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Speaker 3: It's just a question.

790
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Speaker 2: So that was my first assumption, and so I asked

791
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Speaker 2: for that to have be looked at because if you

792
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: detain a young person that hasn't done anything, in fact,

793
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: that's again to kidnapping.

794
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 6: And I've said that very clearly.

795
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 2: So we've been doing a body of work across from

796
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: police because obviously police would be the ones picking them

797
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: up right, so and working with territory families. And that's

798
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: the beauty of having both portfolios, is doing a body

799
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: of work around what can we do. There are a

800
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Speaker 2: number of places in other springs we already have safe sleeping.

801
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: We already pay for those beds if we need them.

802
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: We don't, and we don't historically really have to have

803
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: to use them because the police and territory families have

804
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: always been able to find a safe space for young

805
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: people to be returned to the issue for me is

806
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: if that young person comes out repeatedly, what then?

807
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Speaker 6: So we're working through that.

808
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: We are getting to a point now that we'll be

809
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: able to trial a new.

810
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 6: System and see how we go.

811
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Speaker 2: We have to tread very carefully, as I said, because

812
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: you know what's that trigger for a.

813
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 6: Notification of neglect.

814
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: That's where we're working through, and that works an ongoing

815
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: body of work. We're talking to the Social Social Order

816
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: Response team in our springs as well around that, and

817
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: we'll keep them informed as well.

818
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 6: But we will be having a trial at some point.

819
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Speaker 1: All right, So there will be a trial at some point.

820
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Speaker 6: At some point.

821
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Speaker 2: They're not going to advertise when it's going to be,

822
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: Katie and all those sorts of things. Because we're dealing

823
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: with young people here often and from vulnerable family situations

824
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: that Territory Families needs the room to be able to

825
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: work with those families to identify what the causes are

826
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: step through process. It doesn't happen immediately, and we need

827
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: just to be able to have some time to work

828
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Speaker 2: on that.

829
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Speaker 1: And look, I think everybody gets that. Nobody is expecting

830
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: you to tell them exactly, you know, where or when

831
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But I think what people are

832
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: after is, you know, that reassurance that there's that there

833
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: are going to be youth off the.

834
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: Streets percent that we are working on a system that

835
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: can work between police and territory families that doesn't that

836
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Speaker 2: sees vulnerable young people kept safe, and that I think

837
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: that's in a nutshell, that's the way we're looking at it.

838
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: And we'll continue to work on that and get something

839
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: in place and we trial it. Because you you know

840
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: those things, You've got to be very very careful of

841
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: the legalities here. As I said, it's not as easy

842
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: as you know, assuming that we can, you know, take

843
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: those children off the street and detain them because of neglect.

844
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: That's not simple. That would be again, as I said,

845
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: to kidnapping, and you have.

846
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 6: To be very careful.

847
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Speaker 1: And so then there was also a discussion about these patrols. Now,

848
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: I know that Matt Patterson had said to us on

849
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Speaker 1: the show yesterday and he said, hopefully he wasn't sort

850
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of you know that he wasn't announcing anything that he

851
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to yet, but he said that I believe

852
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: that Laura Tippa are going to be starting some of

853
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: those those patrols.

854
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 6: So Lura Tipa are already part of it. We've got

855
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 6: organized patrols yep.

856
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: So we've got organized patrols, very coordinated through hot spots.

857
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Speaker 6: That's been going on for a number of weeks now.

858
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: That's being driven by the Social Order or the sort

859
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: team down in other springs and match chairing that which

860
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 2: was great. So the council's really driving that for us,

861
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: meeting to every two weeks to check in and make

862
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: sure everybody's taking action. And so far that's looking really

863
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: really good on the ground and people are feeling feeling

864
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: that it's making an impact already.

865
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Speaker 4: Okay, I've got a question. If the child's been taken

866
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Speaker 4: off the parent and is already in care of the minister,

867
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 4: and then that child then is out in the street

868
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 4: and in care and need care again, what happens to

869
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: that child then, because it's already in the care of

870
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: the minister. Yeah, there's no other level my understanding what

871
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 4: happens with that child when?

872
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: So these are the very very quick questions that we

873
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: are working through, and there's some legalities around that jeredory

874
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: and what are well the legality are. If a child's

875
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Speaker 2: in the care of the minister, they would be placed

876
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Speaker 2: with a family generally, and then you would need to

877
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: work out why that young person was out. Sometimes when

878
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: the child is returned, the parents actually weren't aware that

879
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: the child was out. You have to do this on

880
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: an individual, case by case basis. You can't just collect

881
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: all these kids together and say, oh, they're all.

882
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 6: Out because they houses aren't safe.

883
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: You talk to the people on the ground working for

884
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: churchy families and police in other springs. They know these kids,

885
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: they know their circumstances, they know any new kids in town.

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Speaker 6: So they'll work through that on a one by.

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Speaker 2: One basis and make an assessment based on that individual child.

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Speaker 2: So you can't just sort of say, oh, what if

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Speaker 2: that kid's in care, it's not that sick.

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Speaker 1: There are kids though, that are in what's it called

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Speaker 1: when they're in.

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Speaker 6: Case, Yeah, that's very different circumstances.

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Speaker 1: So what happens then if they are on this.

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Speaker 2: I haven't got any reports that those kids are on

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Speaker 2: the streets, so let's you know, let's not go there.

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Speaker 2: Those kids have got high intensive needs, They are most

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Speaker 2: traumatized children in the North Territory and Life without Barriers.

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Speaker 2: And there's one other organization I should know off the

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Speaker 2: top of my head, but I'm going blank here. I

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Speaker 2: work with them intensively to turn those kids around. They've

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Speaker 2: had significant trauma and they are a very different placement

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Speaker 2: to them being.

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Speaker 6: Placed same fast foster care. So it would be very

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Speaker 6: unusual that those young people were out.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we have run out of time. It is

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Speaker 1: time to wrap up for this morning. It is just

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Speaker 1: a few minutes away from ten o'clock. Kate Warden, the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Territory, Families and Police, thank you so very

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, and once again, happy world teachers.

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Speaker 2: Date to all those teachers, particularly those in Sanderson today,

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Speaker 2: have a great day.

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Speaker 1: All the wonderful teachers. They do a tremendous job. Matt

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Speaker 1: Cunningham from Sky News, great have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 3: Lightee.

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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time today. Thank you and wonderful to have

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Speaker 1: you all in the studio. I'm knocking off now at

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock. I'm off to Sydney for the radio, so

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Speaker 1: I will catch you all again on Monday morning. Sarah

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Speaker 1: is going to step in. I might do a quick

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Speaker 1: cross with Sarah after ten o'clock, but Sarah's going to

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Speaker 1: step in to do the music shift for us for

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Speaker 1: the rest of the show. So thank you all so

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Speaker 1: very much for your company.