Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torbert and coming up on today's show, Mikhayla Tester
Speaker 1: drops all the dirty details on Anna Paul's secret relationship,
Speaker 1: Alex Earl declares boobs are back at Coachella, and James
Speaker 1: Charles's surprising house guests. But first, we have some exciting
Speaker 1: yews to share. Amy has given birth to her son,
Speaker 1: Little Harry George Humphreys. He's absolutely adorable. He's his father's twin.
Speaker 1: For some reason, us Torber women seem to birth our
Speaker 1: husbands because he is the spitting image of Dale. I
Speaker 1: was holding him the other day and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm holding a mini version of you. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I definitely know that I'll be giving birth to a
Speaker 1: mini brand in eight weeks time. I don't even have
Speaker 1: to consider that my baby might look a little bit
Speaker 1: like me. But we were so nervous on Monday because
Speaker 1: we knew that Amy was giving birth and we were
Speaker 1: trying to record the episode. Yeah, we didn't think it
Speaker 1: was going to be so rush because when I went
Speaker 1: in for mayases area. We waited all day. You guys
Speaker 1: didn't get to see Jack until like ten o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: and instead Amy got a call from the hospital in
Speaker 1: the morning saying, could you get here quicker. We've bumped
Speaker 1: you up the queue. You're number one ready to go.
Speaker 1: And this is bad because Amy and Dale are quite
Speaker 1: often late, so they were rushing around trying to get
Speaker 1: in there on time. They were on time, but then
Speaker 1: they ended up getting bumped for someone else, so it
Speaker 1: was a bit of an ordeal. But we were really
Speaker 1: nervous because Amy had a cesarean due to the fact
Speaker 1: that she had a fibroid. I don't think she's spoken
Speaker 1: about it on the podcast before, but we were just
Speaker 1: waiting to hear any sort of news because obviously a
Speaker 1: fibroid can complicate a cesarean. Yeah, we were so nervous,
Speaker 1: and they went mia for a couple of hours. They
Speaker 1: didn't actually say that they'd gone in, and you and
Speaker 1: I could not spit out a sentence on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I listened back to it, I'm like, good editing on
Speaker 1: your behalf, so because I'm like it seemed like we
Speaker 1: sort of strung something together by apologies, My mind was
Speaker 1: like miles away during that recording. But it's just been
Speaker 1: so lovely because we've been able to enjoy Harry over
Speaker 1: the Easter break. So every year we go to Bile
Speaker 1: National Park. We have all of our in laws, which
Speaker 1: some people might find weird. I think it's so lovely
Speaker 1: that everyone gets along. We all have a tennis day
Speaker 1: and Harry ended up coming along. Everyone's like, Amy, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna make it six days after giving birth. She
Speaker 1: made it. And she was wearing jeans. They were maternity
Speaker 1: they were I take my hat off to her. Though
Speaker 1: she also had boots with a heel where she usually
Speaker 1: gets around in sand hues. I don't know what she was.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's changed during motherhood. Look, I think she's probably
Speaker 1: high on the end dome, to be honest, because I
Speaker 1: remember those days. But yeah, I was very impressive. She
Speaker 1: managed to get out of the house. She was at
Speaker 1: a cafe the other day, so yeah, she set me
Speaker 1: the most beautiful message. Though she's said, I know that
Speaker 1: it's been a difficult week, but it's actually been the
Speaker 1: most special week and it's been so nice to do
Speaker 1: the feeds with Dale and it's just been so exciting
Speaker 1: to wake up to Harry and again she might be
Speaker 1: high on the endo, but it made me feel a
Speaker 1: little bit better about what's to come. She's like, you
Speaker 1: and Brandon will absolutely love your time off together. Rees
Speaker 1: and I actually went on last night and we were
Speaker 1: feeding Jack. We're actually using Harry's highchair, and it was
Speaker 1: so nice to have just two kids there and sort
Speaker 1: of like, I know there are any parents for the
Speaker 1: last week, but it was sort of an understanding. So
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for you to join the Little Mum's
Speaker 1: group there, Sophie. Yeah, well eight weeks away now, so
Speaker 1: it's becoming real. Amy will be sharing her birth experience
Speaker 1: on Outspoken very soon. It will be available for everyone
Speaker 1: to listen to. I know she's raring to get back
Speaker 1: on the mic. She's like, can I do it this week?
Speaker 1: I'm like, babe, it's a short a week. We've already
Speaker 1: lost Monday and Friday. That is why this episode is
Speaker 1: coming to you on Wednesday. But I feel like no
Speaker 1: one really knows what day of the week it is
Speaker 1: at the moment. Now, I've got no clue.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I fucking blasted this fucking scumbag in this
Speaker 2: family's name already earlier, she wouldn't have had to deal
Speaker 2: with what she dealt with.
Speaker 1: Mikayla Testa has dropped the third installment in her explosive
Speaker 1: podcast series centered on the Paul family. In the two
Speaker 1: hour episode, The Only Fans Creator Champion the voices of
Speaker 1: Addis Paul's other alleged victims. It was definitely a very
Speaker 1: heavy episode to listen to, but I want to kick
Speaker 1: things off today with some of the lighter moments which
Speaker 1: were sprinkled throughout this episode, because there were definitely quite
Speaker 1: a few. One was Michayla sharing her reaction to Addas
Speaker 1: Paul's infamous rebrand from cryptocurrency dickhead to sensitive and softly
Speaker 1: smoken art love it. This was so funny and hats
Speaker 1: off to Michayla's fiance, Maxwell Kraus for this section. So
Speaker 1: listeners may not know, but he actually edited Michayla's whole
Speaker 1: podcast series and the way he juxtapositions certain upsots and
Speaker 1: videos of Addis during Michayla's takedown of him was genius.
Speaker 1: I feel like he probably got a kick out of it.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to some of them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, seeing him be this golden retriever energy lovey
Speaker 3: dovey fucking guy. When this is the reality of who
Speaker 3: Addis is.
Speaker 4: Hold back when my dumbas bitch excides being absolutely rich
Speaker 4: as fuck. I went out on my four million dollar balcony.
Speaker 4: This is that one hundred fucking thousand dollars wall in
Speaker 4: my house. Also, look at my new necklace. I was
Speaker 4: gonna buy pearls, but that's for broke Fox and his sister.
Speaker 3: Is enabling this fucking rebrand. I was watching this rebrand
Speaker 3: happen and I was so shocked, and I was like,
Speaker 3: these people are buying this shit. When I saw him
Speaker 3: dancing around on TikTok to Olivia Rodrigo, you know, Taylor
Speaker 3: Swift and like growing his hair out and fucking being
Speaker 3: all pale and kawaii K pop shit, when the man's
Speaker 3: never watched aname and is fucking live.
Speaker 1: Fuck that was funny. But those who haven't seen these videos,
Speaker 1: it's difficult to get the total vibe from just listening
Speaker 1: to the audio. But this is when Addis was rebranding
Speaker 1: his new look, and he showed himself doing all of
Speaker 1: these bizarre TikTok dancers, and he literally looked like a
Speaker 1: different person. He grew his hair really long, he got
Speaker 1: all of these piercings and he started to wear makeup
Speaker 1: and as Mikayla touched on, he had very pale skin.
Speaker 1: And it was actually around this time that some people
Speaker 1: began to question whether he was transit, and there were
Speaker 1: also rumors swelling about his sexuality. And Mikayla said she
Speaker 1: noticed that Adas began to imitate and mimic and as
Speaker 1: cutes the innocent persona that she's known for online. Here's
Speaker 1: an example that she gave.
Speaker 5: I think I've noticed that. I think it's the cutest
Speaker 5: thing ever. People are calling me Johannahs. So the people, like,
Speaker 5: not everybody, are the people that have been following me
Speaker 5: for a while less saying like, oh, I hope you've
Speaker 5: eaten today, Hannah, I hope you're feeling good, Like like,
Speaker 5: how do you know that's my name? Who told you
Speaker 5: that's my real name? I've said of it. It's just the
Speaker 5: cutest thing.
Speaker 1: That makes my skin crawl. Knowing what we do know now,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to believe anyone actually bought into this act,
Speaker 1: but we did. Yeah, I mean we did a whole
Speaker 1: segment on his rebrain Well in everyone's defense, though, I
Speaker 1: think we are only just learning now the level of
Speaker 1: manipulation and strategy that was going on by the Pole family.
Speaker 1: And I remember during this time there was a lot
Speaker 1: of concern over Addis's mental health because he had taken
Speaker 1: some time off socials and it appeared as though he
Speaker 1: was really going through something, and there was this thought
Speaker 1: that maybe we'd all got it wrong about him, and
Speaker 1: this cryptocurrency content was a bit of an act and
Speaker 1: it was almost as though you couldn't question it because
Speaker 1: it was a bit gas light, let's be asked. And
Speaker 1: if you do look at the dates, it seems to
Speaker 1: be the time that Adis was actually going through his trial, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which really adds another element to it. And I think
Speaker 1: that Anna really played into this rebrand because she has
Speaker 1: previously said in tiktoks that Adis was simply playing a
Speaker 1: character online during his cryptocurrency days. So in a TikTok,
Speaker 1: Ana claimed that Adis came to them one night and said,
Speaker 1: should I pretend to be a total fuck with in
Speaker 1: my TikTok videos and see if it goes off? And
Speaker 1: it did. Whilst Makayla did acknowledge that he exaggerated his
Speaker 1: personality in these videos, she said it is essentially how
Speaker 1: he would talk on a regular basis. She said he's
Speaker 1: a huge flexer and has a big ego. So she
Speaker 1: confirmed that this is the real Adas Pole and this
Speaker 1: was backed up in Mikayla's podcast with a TikTok that
Speaker 1: she shared, which was created by a young woman who
Speaker 1: went to school with the Polls. She said she was
Speaker 1: best friends with Adams Paul at that time and basically
Speaker 1: played the role of mediator in his relationship with Alice Patterson.
Speaker 1: Just to point out, we are now referring to Alice
Speaker 1: Patterson by name and not calling her Jane. We did
Speaker 1: want to give her some privacy, but in the last
Speaker 1: week she actually has come out and done an interview
Speaker 1: with The Courier Male talking about her experience with Addis
Speaker 1: Paul and said that she was happy to be named.
Speaker 1: And she's also been very vocal on her own TikTok,
Speaker 1: So for anyone who wants to check out her content
Speaker 1: on there, they can now This high school friend claimed
Speaker 1: that both Addis and Anna are putting on an act
Speaker 1: and performing for views. She said that Addis wasn't charitable
Speaker 1: or giving in any way, and she said at school
Speaker 1: he would actually piss up the walls every time he
Speaker 1: went to the toilet because he thought it was funny
Speaker 1: that someone had to clean it up. Is it sad?
Speaker 1: That actually takes me back to my high school days?
Speaker 1: Not that I did that, but it reminds you of
Speaker 1: the site I think you could do. That reminds you
Speaker 1: of the things that the dickheads at our school used
Speaker 1: to do. Very immature now. Mikayla also spilt the tea
Speaker 1: on Anna's secret relationship with Amrik Urbane. Now, for some background,
Speaker 1: started appearing in Anna's content very shortly after her breakup
Speaker 1: with Glenn, and Anna claimed that they weren't dating and
Speaker 1: he was just this family friend, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought, oh, is this Adis's boyfriend? Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: was weird that she claimed he was a family friend
Speaker 1: because he just suddenly popped up out of nowhere. He
Speaker 1: never previously appeared in any content when Glenn was around,
Speaker 1: and he started traveling with her pretty good family friend,
Speaker 1: And as you said, Kate, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: confusion is this Adas Poul's new boyfriend? Because this was
Speaker 1: around the time that he was starting this rebrand and
Speaker 1: there was a few question marks over his sexuality which
Speaker 1: again I don't think is right for anyone to speculate on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Anna being silent on this relationship didn't help the
Speaker 1: situation because fans started building their own narrative and put
Speaker 1: two and two together and thought maybe she cheated on
Speaker 1: Glenn with Amrik. And that's because Amork started popping up
Speaker 1: literally the month that she announced her breakup with Glenn,
Speaker 1: and as the months went on, Amork appeared in even
Speaker 1: more of Anna's content and they looked very cuply in
Speaker 1: a number of her Instagram There was a video also
Speaker 1: that was circulating at the start of the year of
Speaker 1: their making out in a pool in the Wit Sundays,
Speaker 1: which pretty much confirmed that they are together, but still
Speaker 1: there has been no official confirmation from Anna that they
Speaker 1: are a couple. That is until now, because Mikayla apparently
Speaker 1: got her intel from Addis's most recent girlfriend, Jamiah, who
Speaker 1: confirmed the worst kept secret that they are in fact together.
Speaker 1: Of course they are now. Jamiah claims that Anna and
Speaker 1: Amrik met when he had just turned eighteen and Anna
Speaker 1: was twenty three, so there's a five year age gap
Speaker 1: between them, and the most interesting detail of this story
Speaker 1: is that Amrik is allegedly the son of the couple
Speaker 1: who own the stables and facilities that Anna's horse is
Speaker 1: kept at. Oh, so not a family friend, and Jamiah says, well,
Speaker 1: Anna was still dating Glenn, she started to develop a
Speaker 1: crush on Amrik, and Jamiah believes there was some emotional
Speaker 1: cheating involved. Mikayla did add in that she had it
Speaker 1: on good authority that allegedly it was full cheating, so
Speaker 1: physical cheating as well. Jamiah did go into bat for
Speaker 1: Amrik though, and said that he's a lovely guy and
Speaker 1: he would often look out for her whilst they were
Speaker 1: traveling together, and she told Mikayla that Amrik is basically
Speaker 1: Anna's personal slave allegedly, but doesn't mind it because he
Speaker 1: gets free weed and gets to trouble the world. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean I can see where he's coming from. I
Speaker 1: mean he's a young guy getting to travel the world
Speaker 1: for free. If Anna says go get me a year ross,
Speaker 1: or go get me this or that, it's pretty good exchange.
Speaker 1: Were you going to feel indebted to that person, aren't you?
Speaker 1: There's going to be a bit of a power in
Speaker 1: balance going on. Yeah, definitely, And Mikayla also weighed in
Speaker 1: on Anna's relationship with Glenn. She said that she exploited
Speaker 1: him and his kindness, and she made it clear that
Speaker 1: none of this information was coming from Glenn and it
Speaker 1: was all her own opinion. She did say that Glenn
Speaker 1: didn't like that Adas took their OnlyFans photos, though, well,
Speaker 1: who is going to like that? He's completely weird now.
Speaker 1: Aside from some of these lighter moments, Part three was
Speaker 1: all about giving a voice to Adas Paul's other alleged victims,
Speaker 1: his most recent girlfriend Jamiah, who were of course speaking
Speaker 1: about now, and his high school girlfriend Alice Patterson. Now,
Speaker 1: with permission from Jamia, Mikayla shared a number of disturbing
Speaker 1: and downright disgusting text messages that Adis allegedly sent her.
Speaker 1: They made my skin crawl. I felt really awkward even
Speaker 1: just reading them. And in a number of the text messages,
Speaker 1: Adas allegedly called Jamiah his fetish and he said that
Speaker 1: he wanted to feel her soft skin when he's inside her.
Speaker 1: They were a lot more graphic than that, but that's
Speaker 1: probably one that we can talk about on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And Jamiah has gone into detail about the alleged abuse
Speaker 1: that she experienced whilst dating Adis Paul on her own
Speaker 1: TikTok account. One of the videos has already attracted well
Speaker 1: over a million views, and the other is sitting on
Speaker 1: the seven hundred thousand view mark. And this is despite
Speaker 1: the fact that she only just made up her account.
Speaker 1: This is the first video she's ever put out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mikayla did share them on her own platforms,
Speaker 1: but they've obviously got a lot of traction. I sat
Speaker 1: there absolutely glued to them. They were hard to watch,
Speaker 1: but I do think it gave a very interesting insight
Speaker 1: into their relationships, apparent just how young she was and
Speaker 1: shaken she was. You could see in her eyes that
Speaker 1: she was terrified, and I really applaud her for her
Speaker 1: bravery for speaking out. It would be very difficult, particularly
Speaker 1: to put out text messages between you and your partner
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, and what I found so hard
Speaker 1: watching both Mikayla and Jamia tell their stories is they
Speaker 1: really still do blame themselves despite them being the victims. Now,
Speaker 1: we won't go into what she said, as she did
Speaker 1: make some very serious allegations and for legal reasons, we
Speaker 1: can't cover them and we would hate to jeopardize any
Speaker 1: information that could potentially be used in court, because Michayla
Speaker 1: has since come out and said that she and the
Speaker 1: other women are in the process of going to the
Speaker 1: police about their allegations, which I think is a really
Speaker 1: good move. What we can talk about is that Jamiah believes,
Speaker 1: just like Mikayla, that Anna started copying certain traits of
Speaker 1: her personality. So Jamiah explained that she has allism, and
Speaker 1: she alleges that Anna started playing up certain quirks in
Speaker 1: her videos and essentially started pretending to be autistic. Mikayla
Speaker 1: backed this up by sharing a couple of Anna's past videos,
Speaker 1: and I can definitely see where Jamiah is coming from.
Speaker 1: And Mikayla said that Anna does this because whenever Adas
Speaker 1: has a new girlfriend, she tries to be whoever he's dating.
Speaker 1: That's very strange. When I was watching part three, one
Speaker 1: thing that really stuck out to me was just how
Speaker 1: rapped with gilt Michayla is over how things played out
Speaker 1: online with Alice Patterson. Now we have spoken to depth
Speaker 1: about this in previous episodes, but in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: when Alice was just sixteen years old, she made a
Speaker 1: TikTok about dating an older man who took advantage of her.
Speaker 1: Now the man she was referring to was Adis Paul,
Speaker 1: and Alice alleges that she was only thirteen at the
Speaker 1: time when she was dating a then sixteen year old Addis.
Speaker 1: Now Mikayla alleged in part one that Addis and Anna
Speaker 1: tried to silence Alice by sending a fake cease and
Speaker 1: desist letter and then slamming her in an online video.
Speaker 1: Michayla then released very unflattering behind the scenes vision of
Speaker 1: Anna and Adas conspiring to get their story right and
Speaker 1: being condescending about Alice, calling her a little girl, and
Speaker 1: Adis joking that he never found her attractive, and you
Speaker 1: could hear Michayla's voice in the background of these videos
Speaker 1: also coaching them on what to say. And she has
Speaker 1: since said that she feels immense guilt over this and
Speaker 1: for believing Addis and not speaking up sooner. And it
Speaker 1: is clear that this podcast series for Michayla is all
Speaker 1: about writing or wrong, because she got really emotional at
Speaker 1: the end of the episode and said she wants to
Speaker 1: fix what Alice had to go through and save any
Speaker 1: other girls from experiencing what they've all experienced. Here's what
Speaker 1: she said.
Speaker 2: And it's taken me here. It's to fucking say the story.
Speaker 2: It's taking me such a long fucking time to common
Speaker 2: Cameron speak and say that should I witness to say
Speaker 2: my fucking story, give receedts back, Alice up, fix my
Speaker 2: wrongs because I hurt that girl and it and it
Speaker 2: fucking ate me live up every day to know that
Speaker 2: I had these receipts on my laptop. I had the
Speaker 2: proof and I wasn't fucking showing anyone because I was
Speaker 2: weak as fucking piss and me not speaking up cause
Speaker 2: Jammy had to get fucking hurt. Maybe if I fucking
Speaker 2: blasted this fucking scumbag in this family's name already earlier,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't have had to deal with what.
Speaker 1: She dealt with now. Mikayla went on to say that
Speaker 1: she's not just a victim, but she was an enabler
Speaker 1: and she's only really realized the gravity of the situation
Speaker 1: that she was in with Addison, how abusive it was,
Speaker 1: since she's been with her fiance Max Kraus. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she just spoke with so much awareness in this podcast series,
Speaker 1: and it was in stark contrast to Anna, who took
Speaker 1: zero accountability for her actions and tried to deflect the
Speaker 1: whole time because Mikayla sat there and said, I'm not
Speaker 1: the perfect victim. I did play a part in all
Speaker 1: of this. I feel immensely guilty over it. But I
Speaker 1: want to write this wrong and I think that that's
Speaker 1: very commendable. She also touched on her childhood trauma and
Speaker 1: being diagnosed with borderline per personality disorder during her relationship
Speaker 1: with Addis, and she said she doesn't always get everything right. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: she did reveal that she hasn't actually left her house
Speaker 1: since March third, so she's been inside for over six weeks.
Speaker 1: She's essentially in hiding, whilst Anna is just gallivanting around
Speaker 1: the world and popping up at Coachella, which we will
Speaker 1: be talking about shortly. We did touch on it a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier in this segment, but I do want
Speaker 1: to commend Alice Patterson and the Courier Mail. Alice agreed
Speaker 1: to be interviewed by the publication and it is just
Speaker 1: so brave of her to share her story in the
Speaker 1: mainstream media. I would highly recommend everyone go and read
Speaker 1: that article a.
Speaker 5: Lot of times.
Speaker 6: Of you guys here your favorite influencers at Cotella. They're
Speaker 6: here on a brandial, so the Brandle paper are at
Speaker 6: their past their hoteler Airbnb.
Speaker 1: Coachella twenty twenty five did not disappoint The music festival,
Speaker 1: dubbed the Influencer Olympics has been dominating for you pages
Speaker 1: thanks to the outrageous fashion and the attendance of one
Speaker 1: controversial influencer. But outside of the brand activations and influencer Villa's,
Speaker 1: things weren't very instagrammable to begin with. Kate No. Some
Speaker 1: people have actually started comparing Coachella to the infamous Fire Festival.
Speaker 1: So a mix of near record high temperatures and a
Speaker 1: traffic situation had some festival goalers describing it as literal hell.
Speaker 1: So thousands of patrons were trapped in traffic for up
Speaker 1: to twelve hours to get into the grounds in thirty
Speaker 1: eight degree heat, and many attendees complain the conditions were
Speaker 1: the worse since the festival began in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: As someone who has been involved in music festivals before
Speaker 1: and had situations evolved with the weather, I really hope
Speaker 1: that there was an organizer who thought about handing out
Speaker 1: cold water in the queue. They probably was that they
Speaker 1: probably had an FPOs machine for like twenty dollars of
Speaker 1: each bottle of water. Now, things did get back on track,
Speaker 1: but at the end of weekend, one Palm Springs was
Speaker 1: actually rocked by a five point two magnitude earthquake. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine the organizers are just like, for fuck's sake,
Speaker 1: thirty eight degrees and an earthquake, we really don't need this. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: as you said earlier, so if Coachella is the Influencer Olympics,
Speaker 1: and every influencer and their dog is either at the
Speaker 1: festival or wishing they were there. I saw a lot
Speaker 1: of influencers doing throwbacks, so Steph kles Smith and Toli Smyth,
Speaker 1: it's almost like they're like, oh, we're in our thirties now,
Speaker 1: so we're not going to get inviter, so let's throw
Speaker 1: back to when we were there. These throwback photos were everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I did really enjoy looking through them and seeing
Speaker 1: how the fashion has changed at Coachella, but also seeing
Speaker 1: how much has changed in just a short period of
Speaker 1: time because these are not old school photos. Some of
Speaker 1: them were taken like five years ago. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like Steph Klesmith was wishing that she was at Coachella
Speaker 1: because she's currently I think she's thirty five weeks pregnant,
Speaker 1: just moved house. As someone who's a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: behind her, I feel her pain. You're just not feeling
Speaker 1: your best and then you're probably seeing all these hot
Speaker 1: photos of you at Coachella living your best life. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: one influencer that I thought would not be there was there.
Speaker 1: Because when you're ebrawled in the biggest influence scandal of
Speaker 1: the decade, you think you might sit it out. But no.
Speaker 1: Anna Paul made a surprising Coachella appearance, and she's really
Speaker 1: going with the pr stratage of ignore and get on
Speaker 1: with her life. So she documented her time at the
Speaker 1: festival on Instagram and Snapchat. What do you think of
Speaker 1: her outfit? Because she was wearing baggy jeans and a
Speaker 1: pair of sunnies and a sheer top. Look. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm too old to comment on it, because I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, even popping past Marian shopping center
Speaker 1: during school holidays and seeing what some of the young
Speaker 1: kids are wearing is a bit eye opening. You know,
Speaker 1: she looked good. Yeah, I mean, at least her outfit
Speaker 1: looked somewhat comfortable, Hue, I'd rather be getting around in
Speaker 1: some baggy jeans and some comfortable shoes. But it was
Speaker 1: not really her outfit that struck me. It was the
Speaker 1: absolutely gore of her to be there and posting about
Speaker 1: it like nothing happened. It was a fucking pissed take,
Speaker 1: wasn't it now? People like us were not happy. One
Speaker 1: person wrote, how are you at Coachella? Like genuinely what happened?
Speaker 1: To shame? Someone else added if she truly cared or
Speaker 1: truly was innocent, she wouldn't be at Coachella. She'd be
Speaker 1: back in Australia. Another said, Anna Paul having the balls
Speaker 1: to be at Coachella right now as if nothing has
Speaker 1: happened is crazy And this is the thing some people
Speaker 1: might be thinking, Oh, well, she's in a different country.
Speaker 1: People in America probably aren't aware of this controversy. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they are. This is globing. The Americans are more across
Speaker 1: it than us. They are obsessed with Anna Paul. And
Speaker 1: to add further intrigue to this whole story, it appears
Speaker 1: the controversial influencer James Charles hosted Anna at the house
Speaker 1: he rented for Coachella. So at first people were speculating
Speaker 1: perhaps they were just on a brand trip together, but
Speaker 1: James revealed on TikTok that he actually pays his own
Speaker 1: way at Coachella. So in a video, he said he
Speaker 1: hasn't been happy with the VIP treatment at Coachella and
Speaker 1: went on a rant about how he no longer accepts
Speaker 1: invites from brands anymore. This is what he said a
Speaker 1: lot in.
Speaker 6: Terms of you guys here your favorite influencers at Cotella.
Speaker 6: They are here on a brand deal. So the brandle
Speaker 6: people are at their past their hoteler, Airbnb, security, a driver,
Speaker 6: and then an exchange. The influencer has to do a
Speaker 6: brand aid content. Now, the last time that I accepted
Speaker 6: a brand deal at Coachella was sheulgar Bet hair and
Speaker 6: we all thought how that. So Ever, since then I
Speaker 6: have politely declined and the Ecotella Branbils, which is totally fine,
Speaker 6: but that does mean Abrigieri have to pay for my
Speaker 6: own artist passes for myself and my team, and they
Speaker 6: are really expensive.
Speaker 1: I really love this insight because I find it fascinating
Speaker 1: that influencers will big scale influencers don't want to accept
Speaker 1: a free ticket anymore because they don't want to be
Speaker 1: bound to all of these restrictions and to have to
Speaker 1: create all this content because it looks rather tiring. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the fact that they have so much money that they'd
Speaker 1: rather pay their own way be allowed to do what
Speaker 1: they want to do. Yeah, it's really interesting. I also
Speaker 1: had to laugh when James referenced sugar Bear Hair. So,
Speaker 1: for those not across the drama, sugar Bear Hair is
Speaker 1: a vitamin company that was in direct competition with James's
Speaker 1: then friend Taddy Westbrook. So James's collaboration with this rival
Speaker 1: vitamin company actually spark the drama that went down in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen between James and Tatty, which was drubbed Drama
Speaker 1: Geddon two point zero. People are trying to work out
Speaker 1: how James and Anna are connected and how are they friends,
Speaker 1: and it's quite when you delve deeper into it because
Speaker 1: they are both managed by Sam Maignan. So Sam is
Speaker 1: the co founder of Anna's skincare brand, Paulie, and he
Speaker 1: also is a friend of the show. So I am
Speaker 1: a big fan of Sam Maignan. He is a fabulous guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have had him on the show. I think a
Speaker 1: couple of times now, and he's always been so generous
Speaker 1: with his time, and he's actually someone I really respect
Speaker 1: in the industry. So I felt very uncomfortable when I
Speaker 1: saw Mikayla Tester calling him out so well, because he
Speaker 1: has his own PR company called Spin and Co. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you said, he's also the co founder of Anna
Speaker 1: Paul's business, and they've done some fabulous things on the
Speaker 1: Gold Coast. They've worked with some massive brands, and he
Speaker 1: is very clever, very strategic. He's also the brother of
Speaker 1: one of my favorite influences, Courtney mangan So this is
Speaker 1: all getting very messy. Yes, this is all hit home,
Speaker 1: hasn't it. So. On Mikayla's Instagram story, obviously everyone was
Speaker 1: talking about James Charles and Anna Paul sort of talking about,
Speaker 1: as you said, how they were connected, and she wrote,
Speaker 1: he's also managed by the same man that managers Anna Poul.
Speaker 1: Is it a coincidence I've been botted recently? I don't know.
Speaker 1: She also said Chris Janna works harder, but Sam Mangard
Speaker 1: works harder. Allegedly. From knowing what I know about Sam Mangnan,
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's sitting around sending bots to
Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester. No, I don't think that's adas Paul will
Speaker 1: probably well, yeah, he was just recently on a European
Speaker 1: vacation with his family. They're on a very special trip
Speaker 1: which he actually gifted to his sister Courtney when she
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with cancer and due to COVID, this trip
Speaker 1: kept getting pushed back. But they have been holiday and
Speaker 1: they've been having the time of their lives. I don't
Speaker 1: think that he's sitting around and sending bots to anyone.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's in his personality to do so.
Speaker 1: Or he's very professional. Also coming from the perspective of
Speaker 1: people who have worked in pr like when I used
Speaker 1: to manage the thirty six is media, I would suggest
Speaker 1: to do things to the owner of the club. Did
Speaker 1: he listen all the time?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Did he do a lot of things that I didn't
Speaker 1: agree with. Yes. So you can only provide your guidance.
Speaker 1: But if people are going off the rails, like I mean,
Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester spoke about how Adams, Paul and her used
Speaker 1: to send bots out. So you can give people advice,
Speaker 1: but you can't control what they actually do. You also
Speaker 1: to remember he's in a very sticky situation. If you're
Speaker 1: working with a client and they come to you and
Speaker 1: they need crisis management, you have got to provide them
Speaker 1: with that service. Even if you don't necessarily agree with
Speaker 1: what they've done or what they're doing, you have to
Speaker 1: provide that professional guidance to them. I mean, he's also
Speaker 1: in this very deep because he has a business with
Speaker 1: Anna Paul. So it's not like he can go, oh, look,
Speaker 1: I don't want to represent you anymore. When it was
Speaker 1: announced that he was going into business with Anna pol
Speaker 1: everyone thought that this was an absolute stroke of genius.
Speaker 1: I mean I did. She was the most popular and
Speaker 1: well loved Australian influence. He's not to know what's going
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. Yeah. Anyway, back to Anna Paul,
Speaker 1: because she's back on TikTok now, she's blogging like nothing
Speaker 1: has happened. She's been all over Snapchat. It took me
Speaker 1: so long to get through all of her Snapchat stories
Speaker 1: from Coachella. It's interesting that she feels more comfortable on
Speaker 1: Snapchat than TikTok because she only bought the TikTok video
Speaker 1: out on Tuesday. Is that because there's no comment section?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I also think that Snapchat is a big earner for
Speaker 1: these influences and they have to keep up with the
Speaker 1: hours in order to monetize it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Anna has also been spotted on Rodeo Drive in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles with nothing other than Harry Jowsey. I have to
Speaker 1: put it out there. I am not a fan of
Speaker 1: that guy. Oh. I couldn't stand him on Too Hot
Speaker 1: to Handle. He has a podcast, so people are predicting
Speaker 1: that maybe she is going to pop up on his
Speaker 1: podcast giving her side of the story. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the best format. Oh my god. Imagine if
Speaker 1: she was on Caller Daddy Now, that would be genius.
Speaker 1: That would be a real game changer. I think having
Speaker 1: the support of Alex Cooper. I don't think Alex Cooper
Speaker 1: would get on board for it. But I definitely don't
Speaker 1: think appearing on Harry Jowsey's podcast is going to be
Speaker 1: great for everything going on. I don't think everyone's going
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, I totally see her
Speaker 1: side of things. Yeah, I think it's just gonna make
Speaker 1: things worse. Anna did give a little bit of an
Speaker 1: insight on snapchat about how she was feeling. This is
Speaker 1: what she said.
Speaker 5: I bought myself.
Speaker 1: Earring's closer, and I was like, I was in bed.
Speaker 2: Till three PERI just sad the evils Po journaling ship.
Speaker 5: You know what, I have to leave the.
Speaker 3: House and I wrote down my nose just then leave
Speaker 3: in the house.
Speaker 5: Of the answer.
Speaker 1: That's it ever sad like even the fact that you.
Speaker 4: Will be to work like that, like heals you like
Speaker 4: going outside?
Speaker 5: Actually heals you.
Speaker 2: So does every day where you're rotting a bed and
Speaker 2: you're sad, you have the because every day where you're
Speaker 2: running a bed, you have to go outside.
Speaker 1: And it will really you already know that, but that's
Speaker 1: just facts. I just really got proved to me again.
Speaker 1: I suppose this is at least her sort of half
Speaker 1: acknowledging what's going on. But she's kind of just making
Speaker 1: herself the victim, isn't she. It's like, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: sad so and it's also like, oh, look at me,
Speaker 1: I'm such a fantastic friend. This is something that I
Speaker 1: sent to another friend who's struggling, and yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of I don't like the way that she tells everyone
Speaker 1: what they should be doing or how they should be
Speaker 1: reacting to things, like yeah, you've got to I think
Speaker 1: she's got a rebrand now. I mean we saw Adams
Speaker 1: have success with rebranding. Maybe she needs to rebrand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the good girl actor's gone now. Maybe just
Speaker 1: come out and just be like, yeah, I'm not a
Speaker 1: great person. Here's me on holiday, Like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: me being rich. You know, some people like that. So
Speaker 1: she could go back to what Adam originally was. Now,
Speaker 1: so VI, you did touch upon that we are not fashionists,
Speaker 1: and I am not saying oh hey, I did not
Speaker 1: say I was not a fashionist, that I couldn't comment
Speaker 1: on jen Z fashion because some of it is so
Speaker 1: ridiculous and I'm not in that age bracket to be
Speaker 1: across at all. Yeah. Well again, I have just been
Speaker 1: wearing active wear for the last year. So again I'm
Speaker 1: not someone to criticize people's looks. But we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about the fashion. Yeah, because in the last couple
Speaker 1: of years it has been a bit cringe to make
Speaker 1: a big effort. At Coachella, we saw celebrities and influencers
Speaker 1: opting for more comfortable festival looks think denim and leather,
Speaker 1: and the general vibe was that it was low level
Speaker 1: attention seeking influencers wearing crazy outfits, and I think it
Speaker 1: was really a way for celebrities to distinguish themselves from influences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sort of that way of being like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm above all of this shit. I'm actually paid for
Speaker 1: my own ticket. I'm I'm not actually having to do
Speaker 1: any brand deals or film any content. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think in twenty twenty five, it's flipped back to the
Speaker 1: outrageous outfits that we came to expect from Coachella and
Speaker 1: a lot of people on over the celebrities are still
Speaker 1: doing low key, but they weren't when they were attending
Speaker 1: the events. We saw Kylie jenerin this absolutely stunning yellow
Speaker 1: dresser had a plunging neckline. Paris Hilton was really getting
Speaker 1: into the outrageous fashion as well. I think what celebrities
Speaker 1: wore really depended on what capacity they were at the
Speaker 1: festival in h For Kylie, she was appearing at a
Speaker 1: brand event, so she had to make an effort. She
Speaker 1: probably had a designer who made that dress for her. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she did. I mean she did rock up
Speaker 1: in white jeans and a crop top later on, just
Speaker 1: to enjoy one person's fashion. That I really enjoyed. Following
Speaker 1: along at home was Alex Earl. So she declared on
Speaker 1: TikTok that boobs were back at Coachella, and she wasn't wrong.
Speaker 1: When have they not been in though? To be fair, now,
Speaker 1: on day two of the festival, she wore a brass
Speaker 1: style top embellished with silver coins and ultra mini leather shorts,
Speaker 1: and she accessorized the look with one of those y
Speaker 1: two k leather belts that made me feel very old,
Speaker 1: and knee high leather boots. Here's what she said about
Speaker 1: her outfit. And this is our refstal lot. But for
Speaker 1: de two Coachella, I love it. I told you guys,
Speaker 1: we were bringing back the boobs. This here, we're gone.
Speaker 1: Last year they went away. We're going to bring theirs
Speaker 1: and we're ready to get Brady. She's already bought the
Speaker 1: skinny jeans back. Now she's bringing the boobs back. This
Speaker 1: works well for me because I've actually got some boobs
Speaker 1: at the moment since being pregnant. I don't think I'll
Speaker 1: be getting them out though. I don't think anyone wants
Speaker 1: to see that. By next Coachella they'll be gone. If
Speaker 1: you're anything like me. Now, for those who haven't seen
Speaker 1: all of Alex's Coachella look. She's really been channeling an
Speaker 1: early two thousands Christina Aguilera in the Dirty era, and
Speaker 1: her looks have been very y to Kate, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm really disturbed about a couple of these
Speaker 1: mid twenties influencers who I follow are starting to wear
Speaker 1: the twenty twelve big chunky necklaces again. Saw Saffron Barker
Speaker 1: wearing one a Nerve log and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I've just thrown them all out. I just can't get
Speaker 1: behind it again. I think that's the rule. If you've
Speaker 1: done it once, you can't do it again. I'm all
Speaker 1: into the dainty jewelry, and apparently there's these teddy Bear
Speaker 1: key that everyone's wearing on their handbags as well, and
Speaker 1: people are putting bandana. This is just this isn't even Coachella.
Speaker 1: This is just general day to day fashion. Oh it's
Speaker 1: freaking me out. It's making me feel really old because
Speaker 1: we've won it before. Now back to Alex Earl's look.
Speaker 1: While the gen Zettas were loving her Day two look,
Speaker 1: there were mixed reviews when it came to her Day
Speaker 1: three outfits. So while putting the look together for TikTok,
Speaker 1: Alex admitted that she was exhausted and she wouldn't be
Speaker 1: drinking because she had work commitments the next day. She
Speaker 1: then started off by saying it would be a more
Speaker 1: casual look, but then proceeded to put on this vintage
Speaker 1: Dultchi and Kabana v neckt graphic T shirt that had
Speaker 1: cheetera print on the back. She then added a Cheeta
Speaker 1: print G string with this ultra mini hot pink ruffle
Speaker 1: shorts that went down in a v at the back
Speaker 1: so you could see her g string. She then finished
Speaker 1: the look off again with knee high boots that were
Speaker 1: really fluffy and a white leather y two K belt.
Speaker 1: She lost me at the Cheetah d string. I mean,
Speaker 1: not the most comfortable thing to be getting around and
Speaker 1: all day festival in yeah. I mean it made more
Speaker 1: sense at M davies Hen's party, but for Coachella, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I could just imagine being at a festival
Speaker 1: and someone coming up and yanking it. I mean, absolutely
Speaker 1: no shame for wearing it that. I'm sure it looked great,
Speaker 1: but it was because she prefaced by saying that she's
Speaker 1: going to be wearing something more comfortable that day. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of mixed reviews. One comment under
Speaker 1: Alex's video appeared to resonate with a lot of people.
Speaker 1: The comment said, this is what I look like when
Speaker 1: I'm cleaning out my closet and start trying on random
Speaker 1: things I forgot I had now. That comment got over
Speaker 1: forty three thousand likes. Another popular comment with thirty two
Speaker 1: thousand likes was am I the only one that's not
Speaker 1: getting it? My favorite comment overall, though, was it's giving
Speaker 1: Kathy Kim for my Aussies, which was liked over three
Speaker 1: thousand times. Now it wasn't just Alex who brought the
Speaker 1: boobs back to Coachella, so for Daufert stole the show
Speaker 1: for the Aussies wearing a crochet bra top, fluffy skirt,
Speaker 1: and knee high boots today too. People said she look
Speaker 1: like a bit of a cave woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Someone said it's giving flintstones, which made me laugh. A
Speaker 1: lot of people also compare it to Alex Earl's look.
Speaker 1: I did take one for the team and watch Sofa
Speaker 1: Dopahs one hour Coachella Locke and she spoke about how
Speaker 1: she hadn't really put that much effort into her festival
Speaker 1: looks and was shocked by everyone saying how good they were.
Speaker 1: I think people also got behind Sofa Dophah's Coachella looks
Speaker 1: because they feel sorry for her after she was recently
Speaker 1: dragged into the Anna Paul drama. Mikayla Tester alleged that
Speaker 1: Anna Paul would always comment about her close set eyes,
Speaker 1: which she does not have. Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are wondering if they
Speaker 1: ran into each other at the festival. Someone said would
Speaker 1: pay a lot to see you walk past the scoff
Speaker 1: at Anna Paul at Coachella this year. One thing I've
Speaker 1: noticed recently on tiktokuse everyone's like she ate and I
Speaker 1: was like, what fuck you are? Okay, people have been
Speaker 1: saying that for so long. I like that you have
Speaker 1: done well like that outfits amazing. I finally got what
Speaker 1: it meant, but I was like, this is have you
Speaker 1: never ever heard that that? I'm quite concerned. Look, I've
Speaker 1: been in a baby bubble for about ten months. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen this everywhere. No fuck, that's been going on
Speaker 1: for about over a year.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. One thing I did like though,
Speaker 1: on TikTok was Britney Saunda's Coachell it look yet this
Speaker 1: was absolutely iconic. So Brittany and her podcast host Alex
Speaker 1: Hay they were dressed as Bunning's workers, so they had
Speaker 1: their green aprons on the red shirts. And what I
Speaker 1: loved is that literally no Americans would have got it, like,
Speaker 1: it's only the Aussies who would have known what the
Speaker 1: fuck they were on about. Yeah, it was so good again,
Speaker 1: that would have been a comfortable outfit to get around
Speaker 1: in all day. I also liked that they probably weren't
Speaker 1: going to get really bad sunburn like the rest of them,
Speaker 1: Like they actually had a T shirt on sun safety.
Speaker 1: Now I do want to talk about Australian fashion brand
Speaker 1: Pepper Mayo because their Coachella content isn't going to plan.
Speaker 1: The Sydney fast fashion house sent a bunch of UK
Speaker 1: influences to Palm Springs, including Love Islanders, Lucinda Stratford and
Speaker 1: Sophie Piper, and it looks like no expense was spared
Speaker 1: with the influencers living it up in this luxury villa.
Speaker 1: They were also driving around in g wagons and boss
Speaker 1: with the Pepper Mayo logo. Now, the brand has definitely
Speaker 1: been making the most of the trip. They've been pumping
Speaker 1: out the content with influencers wearing their clothes. However, people
Speaker 1: aren't focusing on the clothes. Instead, the videos have been
Speaker 1: flooded by angry customers questioning how Pepper Mayo can pay
Speaker 1: for the extravagant trip for influencers while their customers are
Speaker 1: still waiting on online orders. Yeah, it feels like a
Speaker 1: bit of a White Fox situation. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of customers who are very unhappy their orders have not arrived.
Speaker 1: One customer wrote, spends money on influences to go to Coachella,
Speaker 1: but I can't get a refund for address I ordered
Speaker 1: one and a half months ago and never received, whilst
Speaker 1: another said, shocking company. They spend all of our money
Speaker 1: paying influencers rather than paying the time slash resources on
Speaker 1: our orders, while someone else said where are my dresses?
Speaker 1: I have sent you over five emails with only ai response.
Speaker 1: Some customers have also accused the brand of deleting their complaints,
Speaker 1: so a TikToker called Sarona shared a video with the
Speaker 1: caption me getting ready to contact the police and then
Speaker 1: in brackets current affair because Pepper Mayo keeps deleting comments
Speaker 1: on Instagram for me and other girls asking what packages
Speaker 1: are someone who has worked at Today Tonight, which is
Speaker 1: basically a spin off of a Current Affair, contact them.
Speaker 1: They literally have someone sitting by the phone waiting for
Speaker 1: these types of stories and if you're willing to speak,
Speaker 1: they will do a whole package on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Pepper Mayo did end up commenting on the video,
Speaker 1: apologizing for the issue, saying that they would look into
Speaker 1: it and to dm the directly, so they were obviously
Speaker 1: worried then. I mean, there were so many comments and
Speaker 1: they kept being like dm us directly, It's like, how
Speaker 1: about you just fixed the issue. And it's not the
Speaker 1: first time that Pepper Mayo has made headlines but not
Speaker 1: fulfilling orders. A US customer went viral last year when
Speaker 1: she shared an order receipt for address that never arrived.
Speaker 1: It did end up that the brand wasn't actually at fault,
Speaker 1: though a representative confirmed that the customer had been scammed
Speaker 1: by a counterfeit website with the same name, except it
Speaker 1: had a double R for Pepper. So are they trying
Speaker 1: to play this off as the issue this time. Do
Speaker 1: you think, well, I haven't seen them user as an excuse.
Speaker 1: They just keep saying DM me directly. I do want
Speaker 1: to end the Coachella rap with a positive. How good
Speaker 1: was it to see Heidi Montag performing at Coachella and
Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt absolutely hyping her up? Everyone has compared him
Speaker 1: to the Mum and Mean Girls when she's filming their
Speaker 1: Christmas performance because he was there with an old school
Speaker 1: video camera, just absolutely going nuts. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: I first saw this pop up on my TikTok feed,
Speaker 1: of course, and it was zoomed in and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is she on the main stage. But
Speaker 1: it became apparent that this was at Coachella, but it
Speaker 1: was at a brand event on them, but there weren't
Speaker 1: really many people there, to be fair, though she was
Speaker 1: singing live. She's probably one of the only artists that
Speaker 1: was singing live That shocked me because for anyone who
Speaker 1: has listened to her songs over the whole La Fires situation,
Speaker 1: it's very techno, and I was actually surprised at how
Speaker 1: good she sounded. Yeah, she did sound very good. I
Speaker 1: loved the video that Spencer shared of her driving herself
Speaker 1: to Coachella. She had her hair pin and she was
Speaker 1: just singing along in the car to our own songs.
Speaker 1: Well that's where we're going to leave things today. Thank
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