1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Now on Friday last week, we were told by the 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Minister for Public Employment, Joe Hersey on the week that 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: was that the police pay dispute would be heading to 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: the renumeration tribunal after police had overwhelmingly rejected the pay 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: officer offer I should say put on the table by 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: the Colp government. Now my understanding is that that didn't happen, 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: all parties sort of heading back to the table to 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: try and sort out a fair deal and the government 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: putting a new deal on the table. Now joining me 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: in the studio to tell us a little bit more 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: is the president of the Police Association, Nathan Finn. 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, Finny, Good morning Katty, Good morning to your listeners. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Now, Finny, where are things at with this negotiation. Has 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: the government put a new deal on the table? 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: Yes, so we heard the government call for that we're 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: going to arbitration for our consent agreement. Earlier last week 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: we reached out to the government and obviously the ministers 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: as well in respect to coming back to the table 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: to negotiate a better outcome for our members and to 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: possibly avoid that arbitration side tribunal side of things. We 21 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: didn't believe that was going to be in the best 22 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: interest of for our mens given the delays that a 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: cause when you go through these processes, we want to 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: see some real benefits for our members right now. 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: So what have they put on the table, Finny? 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the offer come back to us was presented 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: to me and on Friday, the fifteenth of August, I 28 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: took that to our membership. We've got an Industrial Committee 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: that refers to obviously the offers that come through. They 30 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: endorse that offer to go to the NTPA Executive Board, 31 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: which I preside over. During discussions with the Executive Board, 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: it was chosen to endorse the offer as presented by 33 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: the government and present that to our members. 34 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Now, the. 35 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: Presentation of that offer to our members will occur after 36 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: we conduct information sessions and road shows right across the 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: Northern Territory. 38 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: To our members, is it is the year on year 39 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: increase as much as what you've been hoping for, Katie. 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: I'll be open honestly and I always am. And do 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: I want more for our members? Of course I did. 42 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Do I think we can get more? I don't believe so. 43 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: And if we had to go on to the arbitration, 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: I don't believe we would have got any better offer 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: than what we've got currently at the moment. So it's 46 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: very much a risky situation. I'm not a gambling man. 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: I'm not a gambling man to gamble away the entitlements 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: of our police officers. We've secured great working place in titlements. 49 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: We haven't again. We've secured those workplace in titlements and 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: we've made sure that every day every member is receiving 51 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: an increase to their wages and supporting their work in titlements. 52 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: So, Finny, talk me through the headline numbers. Here is 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 1: it five percent first year? 54 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, five percent the first year KD four percent, the 55 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: second year, three percent the third year, and three percent 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: the fourth year. We did request a guarantee in that 57 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 2: fourth year. We were concerned we're given the current inflation 58 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not an economist economist as some people are, 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 2: but CPI have obviously gone through the roof over the 60 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: previous agreement that we had. We've seen the CPI come 61 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: back to a sustainable level being at one point seven 62 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: percent of the last thing. So our five percent in 63 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: the first offer as well above that CPI rate again 64 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: for that guarantee and that fourth year we ask the 65 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: government to have a guarantee in that fourth year because 66 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: who knows what CPI is going to do when the 67 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: cost of living is going to do over that four years. 68 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: But now we've got an agreement in for that fourth 69 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: year that if the CPI is actually above that three percent, 70 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: we actually get whatever the CPI is. So if CPI 71 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 2: is five point six cady in that fourth year prior 72 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: to that fourth year calculation, we get the five point 73 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: six percent, yeah, three percent. 74 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Now, in terms of some of the other you know, 75 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: entitlements and different things that the association had been fighting for, 76 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: I know that certainly, you know the retention bonus, it's 77 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: not part of the negotiation, so same as the housing 78 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: as I understand any of those different measures looked at 79 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: and where are you at. 80 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: With the Definitely there's a lot of key areas that 81 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: over time without with prior notice now is obviously gone 82 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: from time and a half to double time. That's what's 83 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: been agreed to. We've improved allownce for members on personal 84 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: leave and also restricted duties. We've also looked at our 85 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: higher duties. We've known previously for members to get higher 86 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: duties allowance, they'd have to do a week of forty 87 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: hours of the high duties before they get paid. Now 88 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: they get paid every shift, Katie. We've also had a 89 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: great increase and recognition of the rank professional profile for 90 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: our acpos, our Aboriginal community police officers, Katy. I won't 91 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: use the acronyms because the people who listen. 92 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: What you're talking about, how long am I talking about? 93 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: But the five percent structurally increased to them. So the 94 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 2: compaigning effect, as it's been calculated of the term of 95 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: the agreement for our comfortables is increase of about fifteen 96 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: point eight five percent and for our acpos around twenty 97 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: one point three percent. 98 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: So Phinny, it's got to go to a vote now, 99 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: is that correct? 100 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, Katie. And it's entirely up to a members 101 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: as much as the NTPA Executive endaors and we endorsed it, Unanisley. 102 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: It needs to go to the vote for the membership. 103 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: So that's where we conduct the information sessions, the road shows. 104 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: The members have got feedback coming and back into the 105 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: association already, there's a lot of feedback coming in both 106 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: positive and negative, Cuddy. Kay, And again, I don't want 107 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: to undervalue what we do. We do the hardest possible 108 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: job in Australia in relation to policing, and we deserve 109 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: to be the best paid in Australia. We also have 110 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: to take inn consideration a lot of financial factors around that. 111 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: So does this take us to best paid in Australia. 112 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: We have been the best paid in Australia and we 113 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: continue to be one of the best paid police forces 114 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: in Australia. 115 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Katie Finny, how important is it? Look because like I 116 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: said to you last time you and I were talking 117 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: about this, I know there will always be some that 118 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: listen that go, oh, come on, you know, how much 119 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: did the police expect to get paid? But how important 120 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: is it that you know you get this deal right 121 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: and that the police are paid adequately, that it's competitive, 122 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: if not better than other states, and that police officers 123 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: feel valued in their roles. 124 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: Definitely, And that's that's what we want to what we 125 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: want to We've got to get to a point where 126 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: we want our members to feel that the evaluation of 127 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: their of their service. Our members struggle every day and 128 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: they have struggled over at number of years, Caddy with 129 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: the resourcing issues the crime that we deal with as 130 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: much as the government can report now that it's going 131 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: down and it is trending down, Katie. Our members are 132 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: still dealing with this high levels of crime. We still 133 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: outstrip any other jurisdiction with an Australian relation to offenses 134 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: per capita. Our members are still struggling daily with the 135 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: police resourcing issues. It is getting better and it's going 136 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: to take some time though, Cadie. But their members want 137 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: to feel valued. They want to feel rewarded for what 138 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: they're doing and the sacrifices they're making to serve the territory. 139 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: Finny, a few bits and pieces that I'm keen to 140 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: ask you about this morning. First off, the rollout of 141 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: the OC spray. We know what's happening on September one. 142 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: The police have now released some further information about the 143 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: requirements to get your hands on it. What are officers 144 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: saying to you. 145 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: Yes, I've given some feedback to both the Acting Commissioner 146 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: and also the government earlier this week in respect to 147 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: the OC spray trial. There was a lot of non 148 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: information coming out until the exemption was issued by government, 149 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: and that only occurred, I believe on the sixth or 150 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: seventh of August this month. So there's a lot of 151 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: information being held back until that time. So the exemption 152 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: has been improved by the government, the administrator and also 153 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: the government, and we're working through what it looks like. 154 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: There are some concerns that we've written to both the 155 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: Commissioner and also the Chief Ministry about and the concerns 156 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: around the purchasing of the product, the limitations of obviously 157 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: what they can do, and it's and the concern that 158 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: we have and getting into the people that don't necessarily 159 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: deserve it all we should you have it, so there's 160 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: a self decoration that the purchase at the purchase point, 161 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: which we're contesting that shouldn't occur. There should be some 162 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: further checks in relation to who Obviously the eligibility of 163 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: the person obviously buying the product. There's no limit on 164 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: how much they can buy, but there's a limit on 165 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: how much they can carry, so sort of it's in 166 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: contradiction to some extent, so. 167 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: You reckon there just needs to be a bit of 168 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: affirming up of some of those different guidelines. 169 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of the feedback that I'm getting 170 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: from my members is we haven't got access to a 171 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: database to show who is actually going to be in 172 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: possession of this product. It helps us when we're responding 173 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: to an incident if we know that, hey, this person's 174 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: got is legally entitled to have OC spray, it could 175 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: be a risk factor for our members attending that situation 176 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: if it's potentially used against them, and the safety for 177 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: their members going forward as well. 178 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: Finny, Look, there's quite a bit happening at the moment, 179 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, obviously impacting the police, and we know the 180 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: coronial inquest into the death of Constable Michael Doutrom it 181 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: wrapped up, as I understand it, last week with the 182 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: coroner flagging recommends around better care and early intervention to 183 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: support mental health of serving Northern Territory police officers. What 184 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: were some of the other sort of key revelations and 185 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: what are you hoping the you know, to see as 186 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: a result of this coronial. 187 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: First and foremost, Catie, I just like to address it. 188 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: It's a very tough time and a tough in quest 189 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: for all members involved in the inquest. For the NTPA, 190 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: representing the dou Trim family in the inquest and representing 191 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: the NTPA members as well in this inquest, It's been 192 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: a very tough time and the evidence been given as 193 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: very harrowing. It shows to the concern that our members 194 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: have in respect to the welfare space, especially in that 195 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: remote area location. Some of these things have been overlooked 196 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: by the police for a long time and the health 197 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: and well being hasn't been prioritized for our members, and 198 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: that we want to see a marked improvement in relation 199 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 2: to our health and wellbeing of our members, especially in 200 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: those remote locations where there's no downtime. You're on call 201 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. They 202 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: are exhausted, they are literally, yeah, falling over as we 203 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: speak with workplace injuries because of the pressures that's being placed. 204 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: We want to see significant change where the health and 205 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 2: well being of our members are prioritized by this Northern 206 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: Territory Police Force. 207 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: Well, look, I do we know when we're expecting to 208 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: see those findings handed down, so coming through. 209 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: They've requested further evidence to be presented to the coroner 210 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: in respect to that. If the evidence needs to be tested, 211 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: they'll be obviously further days listed if it's required, then 212 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: they'll be calling for written submissions to the coroner in 213 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: respect to recommendations that we're seeking for the inquest to 214 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: take place, Yeah, very tough time. The Dutrim family has 215 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: been there throughout the whole process as well. Police to 216 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 2: announce that he is Tony Dutram is arriving in the 217 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: in DA later today and we great to catch out 218 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 2: in today. He hasn't been backed to the territory for 219 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: some time, so it'd be good to have close communications 220 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: with the Dutrim family again. They want to see significant 221 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: change and see that Michael's life hasn't gone to the 222 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: wayside and improvements are being made for his fellow police 223 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: officer he loved and adored and worked with. 224 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: I think it's it's so incredibly important. You know, the 225 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: large portion of the community is really grateful to the 226 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: police for the work that they do every day and 227 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: understand that it cannot be easy. But I think that 228 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: the inquest has really laid bare some of the extreme 229 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: challenges when it comes to policing in the Northern Territory. 230 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: And it's also put into perspective that someone could be 231 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: seen to be coping so very well and not coping 232 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: on the other end of the spectrum, and that's an 233 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: alert for a lot of our members and a lot 234 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: of our members have fed back to us that hey, 235 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: it's okay not to be okay, and to seek advice 236 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: earlier rather than later and seek those supports in that workplace. 237 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: It's definitely important, and it's definitely it has an impact. 238 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: No matter what you do in policing, everything has an impact. 239 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: Of the cumulative effect that the trauma has on you 240 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: over your career is untold and different members go to 241 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: different experiences. We've seen the incident in Palmerston last week 242 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: with a search warrant that turned horribly wrong, and our 243 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: members are suffering like those certain instandents, this stuff that 244 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: you never unsee, Katie, Our members are carrying that every 245 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: day and the burden they carry every day if they 246 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: don't speak to someone and get the help and professional 247 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: help they need. We get these types of situations, but 248 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: the focus needs to be on the workplace. Their workplace 249 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: injuries their a cumulative effect because of the policing job 250 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: we do, and it's very very sad when it comes 251 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: to the point where someone takes their own life and 252 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: if we can speak about it and save one person's life, 253 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: that's what we're here to do. 254 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And of course if you or somebody you know 255 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: are suffering and you need to speak to somebody. Certainly 256 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: get in contact with Lifeline, but I know people can 257 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: contact the association as well. 258 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: People do, Katie, and we have these conversations regularly, people 259 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: at breaking point and refer them to professional agencies as well. 260 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: And the police force have got that ability to as 261 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: well throughout them through their air programs. 262 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: It is incredibly important, Finny. Just a couple of other 263 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: bits and pieces. I take questions. I've not a lot made. 264 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: I've always got plenty. Do you know me? I want 265 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: to ask because I know this is something that's been 266 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: raised with me by a number of police officers. Is 267 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: there any update on the retention bonus. 268 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: There's no update on the retention bonus. We're hoping that 269 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: we can get back into a conversation now that consent 270 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: agreements put forward and put to a vote of membership. 271 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: Our focus is on the retention bonus. We're still calling 272 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: that it's not adequate to a retention of our experienced 273 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: members and that's something we're looking at going forward with 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: this government well, and I've seen them make changes to 275 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: that retention bonus package. Again, it's been very discriminative in 276 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: how it's been paid and as our members. 277 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Referring to, I've heard of like different units where one 278 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: person's happened to fall on that particular year and got 279 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: a retention bonus, but then someone's gone for longer and 280 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: it hasn't. 281 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I use this as an example, Cadie. If I'm 282 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: sitting in a police vehicle with a member that's done 283 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: twenty years and gets a retention bonus of twenty thousand 284 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: dollars this year, and I've done twenty three years myself 285 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: in the police force, I'm sitting next to them, I 286 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: get nothing. So that's where the divide is. It's not fair, 287 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: it's discriminative against it. It really is a lottery, Cady, 288 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: for this financial year. I know it was election commitment, 289 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: but the lection commitments are damaging applice force and it's 290 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: not fair on everyone. 291 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: Hey, just really quickly. Of course, the Police Association's annual 292 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: conference kicks off later this week. What's on the a 293 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: for you guys? 294 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: How could we forget that, Katie? Yes, it does kick 295 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: off tomorrow. We have our interstate and overseas delegates arriving 296 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: tomorrow to commence at nine o'clock at the Hilton. We've 297 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: got a couple of full days ahead of us. We're 298 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: discussing important Northern Territory Police Association business, how we're looking 299 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: at our business going forward, how can protect our members 300 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 2: to make sure they're safe and secure in the workplace. 301 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 2: A lot of key speakers. I believe you're going to 302 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: be speaking to one of our key speakers tomorrow in 303 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: relation to PTSD and the trauma that he's been exposed 304 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 2: to through his career, which is important to hear, and 305 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: it's important for our delegates to hear that so they 306 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: can take back back to our membership and have those 307 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: conversations with them at the earliest possible opportunity about the 308 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: dangers of policing, trauma and the Cumulitay Well, I think. 309 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: It's really important for the broader public to hear that 310 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: as well. You know, particularly from frontline officers, that the 311 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: impact that it has long term. So it's something we're 312 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: keen to talk about tomorrow. 313 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: Ye, Katie, definitely. And I've shared my experiences with my 314 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: delegates a couple of years ago in relation to my 315 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: journey with PTSD and everything else and the dangers that 316 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: we face as police officers and the danger where our 317 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: members put themselves in risk every day and policing the 318 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: Northern Territory, it's a dangerous environment which we police. There 319 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: are dangers every single day that our members walk towards 320 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: instead of walking away to protect the community and we 321 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: say thank you to them, and we need to obviously 322 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: respect that and make sure they support are in place 323 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: to support them. 324 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: Well, Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association, 325 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm done now, that's enough questions. That'll do. 326 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: There's a few topics there, but more importantly the ca 327 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: the information sessions we provided to our members to ask 328 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: these questions, to ask any concerns they have, and will 329 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: be addressing those face to face with our members to 330 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: make sure that they get the best possible deal and 331 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: understand the deal that's been put on the table for 332 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: our members. 333 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: Good stuff, well, Finny, We are going to be catching 334 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: up with the Minister in just a moment's time as well. 335 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for you your time this morning. 336 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: Thank you