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Speaker 1: Here we Go again, played White Snake.

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Speaker 2: Go Again. Yeah. Look, we've got a great cast this year.

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Speaker 3: They're very unfiltered and raw, slightly younger this year, but

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Speaker 3: we have some real interesting twists along the way. One

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Speaker 3: of the things that I noticed that hasn't happened before

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Speaker 3: is that TikTok social media is really influencing people's approaches

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Speaker 3: to dating and relationships, and this year those really extreme

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Speaker 3: mindsets show up on the experiments. So we have our

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Speaker 3: trade wives, we have our men with their warrior mindsets,

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Speaker 3: and they're very, very fixed about what they want and

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Speaker 3: what they won't put up with. And there's no commitment

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Speaker 3: they don't want because they are able to swipe, you know,

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Speaker 3: out in the real world so quickly, so it's very transactional.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing what they won't put up with.

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Speaker 4: There's very little negotiations, it seems these days, among people,

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Speaker 4: and they're gonna I mean you, I would think you'd

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Speaker 4: have to that part of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's one of our roles this year is really

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Speaker 3: to shake them up and say listen, it.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't you know it got to be a bit given

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Speaker 5: to take that's right.

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Speaker 3: There's got to be some compromise. Here, but they love

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Speaker 3: being in their fem roles and their masculine roles, and

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Speaker 3: they're very particular about deal breakers, and they've always got

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Speaker 3: this sense of the grass is greener and if this

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Speaker 3: then John, you're to blame. You're a failure, and I'm

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Speaker 4: Actually, this is really serious, this attitude that has developed

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Speaker 1: False world that they think exists.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and John, what do you foresee down the track

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Speaker 4: in twenty years has been the stage of relationships?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping that people realize that, you know, getting

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Speaker 3: your dating and relationship advice from TikTok actually probably is

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Speaker 3: not the best thing to do. You're better off to

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Speaker 3: on apps which are very physically based.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what about the swiping thing though, because there was

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Speaker 5: a time I think, you know, my mum and dad

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Speaker 5: whereas now it's so easy for popping. But it feels

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: And so what you see on the show is these

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Speaker 3: very different mindsets that we haven't seen before. That's one

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Speaker 3: up on our show. If it's people speaking their truth, only.

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Speaker 4: Fan god, I hate that expression speaking truth.

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Speaker 2: This year it's all about.

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Speaker 1: So, well, this is very interesting. You have a real responsibility.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the show is now a cautionary tale. It's so

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Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a lot of noise around

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Speaker 3: that really what you're you're telling me? So get ready

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Speaker 3: for that, get ready for couples. That twist this year.

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Speaker 2: Is that one of our couples knew each other.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we match, it's taken ten years.

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Speaker 5: It's easy for us to curate people curate their lives,

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Speaker 3: Because there's a problem and a number of the times,

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Speaker 3: you know, so stay tuned for that one.

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Speaker 4: So we've got five people from WA. That's definitely the

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Speaker 4: most that we've ever had, Yes.

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Speaker 3: And they are all of them really give everything of themselves, Okay,

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Speaker 3: They think that's that's right, but these guys from w

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Speaker 3: A really just laid it all out on the table.

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Speaker 1: And here the Mummies boy self proclaimed possibly he is

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Speaker 4: It's still a ratings juggernaut. You know, we talk about

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Speaker 1: we're all that's why it continues to rate. Yes, because

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Speaker 1: it's not the same old, same old every week.

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Speaker 3: We don't really need to tweak the format that much.

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Speaker 3: Every now and then we'll do something to keep people guessing.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately the show lives and dies on the cast,

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Speaker 3: and they bring in all of their patterns, their backgrounds,

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Speaker 3: And then you've got the experts. We're very we go

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Speaker 4: You have to because they get they behave extremely the

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Speaker 1: Politeness. I'm with you, I'm with the host.

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. On our show, we give our

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Speaker 5: Ah, And you're right, because no one flicks AWCE on menu,

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Speaker 5: I'm curious about this final test because they keep it

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Speaker 5: fresh for you guys as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I have to say that I was

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Speaker 3: surprised at some of the very poor choices of our participants.

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Speaker 6: Oh nothing surprises me, and I can't wait not to

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Speaker 6: be surprised or not surprised again for another season.

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Speaker 1: John, thanks for popping in the snoot.

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Speaker 2: A pleasure lovely see you too.

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Speaker 5: You too, and we haven't seen it, seen you for

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Speaker 5: a year, but you Benjamin Button, what's going on? You

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Speaker 5: look five years ago? Just what's your secret?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: Anyone else taking backwards?

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Speaker 2: I really I love you guys. I love going on.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit freaky.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's just all the stress in my life dealing

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Speaker 3: with all these participants.

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Speaker 5: We've budget Blush before six twenty. Good only job.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks you guys,