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Speaker 1: We were due to catch up with well with Counselor

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Speaker 1: Morgan Rickard. He's due to join us on the phone

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Speaker 1: or in studio actually the chan ward Counselor Morgan Rickard.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately he's not here, so I don't know exactly what's

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Speaker 1: going on, but we will continue to try and get

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Speaker 1: him on the show because as we know, last night

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Speaker 1: the City of Darwin voted on that motion which had

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Speaker 1: been moved suggesting it openly support the Yes campaign in

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Speaker 1: the Voice referendum. So we heard on the show yesterday

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Speaker 1: that not everybody was on board, including the Lord Mayor

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Speaker 1: convat Scarles and Morgan Ricard had been in contact with

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Speaker 1: the station to say that he'd felt that there was

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Speaker 1: some inaccuracies throughout that interview and wanted the right of reply.

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Speaker 1: We were really happy to have him on, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not too sure what's gone on, but not able to

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Speaker 1: get him well, he's not here in the studio, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure what has gone on,

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Speaker 1: but we do have on the line right now, Councilman

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Speaker 1: Mick Palmer. Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, mere morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Get I now, Mick, what happened last night?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, the motion was moved and second and I

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Speaker 2: moved it a procedural motion that it be immediately adjourned,

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Speaker 2: which was put by the Lord Mayor and supported by

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Speaker 2: a good majority of counselors.

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Speaker 1: Now what does that mean to the everyday person listening

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Speaker 1: this morning, the procedural motion being put that it be adjourned.

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Speaker 2: Or what that means? It's adjourned to the next council

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Speaker 2: meeting on the seventeenth of October. So how come you

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Speaker 2: did that? Well, I thought, you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: motion that was put to us on the last Thursday,

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Speaker 2: and the proponent claiming to have consulted with the community

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Speaker 2: and had white community support, but gave the other all

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Speaker 2: the mineral Council a very little time to consult with

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Speaker 2: their constituents. So I put the proper thing to do

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Speaker 2: would be to adjourn it.

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Speaker 1: Oh look, Mick, We've had a lot of people contact

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Speaker 1: us and they have said that, you know, why is

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Speaker 1: the council even debating this, or why is the council

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Speaker 1: even going to debate this. It's a referendum. Everybody's going

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Speaker 1: to have their own opportunity to vote come October fourteen.

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Speaker 1: People saying things like it is not the business of

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Speaker 1: the Council to be determining whether or not counsel those

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Speaker 1: working at the council chambers or wherever else should or

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Speaker 1: should not wear their yes shirts or have posters up.

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Speaker 1: So I know that there's been a lot of that

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Speaker 1: sentiment in the community. We've heard a lot of it

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Speaker 1: on the show, but others are going to be listening

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Speaker 1: this morning, Mick thinking, have you and con been a

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Speaker 1: bit sneaky here?

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Speaker 2: Sneaky? God forbid?

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Speaker 1: Well have you known the have you sort of known

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Speaker 1: the motions and you know what you could and couldn't

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Speaker 1: get away with more than maybe counselor.

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Speaker 2: Ricard did oh not keep myself breast of the of

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Speaker 2: the procedures in council. I was at one stage leader

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Speaker 2: of government business in the House, so you learn to

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Speaker 2: use the procedures of the House to suit your inns.

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Speaker 2: And all I did there was to move a procedural

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Speaker 2: motion allowed it to be adjourned until the seventeenth of October,

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Speaker 2: and it can come back on the seventeenth of October

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Speaker 2: and we can debate it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I suppose it's after the actual referendum though, Mix,

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Speaker 1: So people will be going, have you stifled the debate

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Speaker 1: on purpose is that was that your own.

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Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't agree with the purpose of the motion,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you're you're exactly right, and the councils

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Speaker 2: should stick the knitting. Do what councils are elected to do.

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Speaker 2: They're not elected to have positions on referendum, especially you know,

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Speaker 2: the devisive nature of this one. We're there to look

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Speaker 2: after the roads and the parks and the and the

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Speaker 2: street lighting and etcetera. Or what councils do You're going

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Speaker 2: to pick up the rubbish dig people?

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Speaker 1: There had been other people, There had been other people

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Speaker 1: sort of ask, you know, if council staff were then

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Speaker 1: able to wear the Yes twenty three you know, merchandise

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Speaker 1: or I can't think of the right word for it,

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Speaker 1: but if they are able to wear that those shirts,

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Speaker 1: could people that were on the other side wear they're

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Speaker 1: no shirts?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. This is an exclusively for

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Speaker 2: the Yes campaign, of exclusive dispensation from the normal rules.

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Speaker 1: So it's not well, now it is going to happen

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Speaker 1: on October seventeen, What do you reckon people are going

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Speaker 1: to think of that? Do you think some are going

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Speaker 1: to be fuming that the Council's delayed it.

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Speaker 2: Oh they can feel more they like than not particularly

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Speaker 2: concerned about a few imigations. No, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: as I said, it was a bit rich to bring

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Speaker 2: it on last Thursday when we first got notification this

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Speaker 2: was about to be brought forward, claiming that it was

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Speaker 2: done at the behest of the community and they're not

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Speaker 2: giving other all them in sufficient time to discuss them

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Speaker 2: with their constituency. After all, Albanese announced this in May

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Speaker 2: last year. There's been all that time since May last

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Speaker 2: year to bring forward a debate on it. But no,

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Speaker 2: it has to be done the very last meeting before

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Speaker 2: the referendum, when the campaigns in full scale, in full

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Speaker 2: full swing, and at the exclusion of the other side, Nick.

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Speaker 1: What were people in your wards saying to you, because

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Speaker 1: I know, like we have had quite a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: you know, quite a lot of people contact us here

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Speaker 1: at the station saying that they didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: the role of the council to even move this much.

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Speaker 1: So I know that there are people in the community

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Speaker 1: that feel that way. I know that there are plenty

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Speaker 1: of others in the community that might have been supportive

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Speaker 1: of it actually happening. But what have your constituents sort

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Speaker 1: of said to you? Or have you not? Sorry you

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Speaker 1: going hetie?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you. Let me tell you that I

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Speaker 2: haven't as a politician, I haven't had a bigger reaction

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Speaker 2: to a single issue since we debated the euthanasia in

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Speaker 2: the Assembly in the late nineties. Really, and it was

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Speaker 2: almost unanimously what do you think you are doing? Right?

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Speaker 1: So people were contacting you, getting quite cross.

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Speaker 2: Well not cross at me, but cross it They suggestion

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Speaker 2: that Council would even entertain debating this, let alone parsermation

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Speaker 2: and support.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, well, meck you know it's not going to

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Speaker 1: happen now, I mean, do you reckon that debate is

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Speaker 1: actually going to happen on October seventeen? Now? Isn't it

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Speaker 1: just null and void? There'd be no point because there's

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Speaker 1: no point in putting anything up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't think there's any point in having in

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Speaker 2: the first place. But it's up to the proponent, which

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Speaker 2: is mojun.

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Speaker 1: Well, Mick, I appreciate you coming on the show at

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Speaker 1: incredibly short notice this morning, literally with about thirty seconds notification,

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Speaker 1: So we really appreciate you coming on. We were due

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Speaker 1: to catch up with counselor Morgan Rickard. I'm hopeful that

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Speaker 1: we'll still get him on the show at some point

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Speaker 1: between now and midday. But Mick Palmer, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Give me a call anytime, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I'm thank you. I appreciate it. We really appreciate it.