WEBVTT - Ask Uncut AFTERMATH!!!

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Laura, I'm missus Segres.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, look, this is a rogue af episode. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>BRIT's married. Can't talk about it yet because technically where we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Recording this, it hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 2>She is not married yet and I don't have Maragon

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<v Speaker 2>have been wearing them though.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're not gonna talk about it yet. Yeah, I have,

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<v Speaker 3>we wearried. I'm sure you have. You have. Look, you're married.

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<v Speaker 3>It's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know exactly what happened, but we're assuming it

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<v Speaker 2>all went off without a hitch.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. We're hoping I'm married. Well, yeah you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Otherwise we'll make it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll make a really like dramatic edit to this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>if not cut a lot, but just to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>bring you guys up to speed.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sure you are across parts of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>We've been in Bali, Brittany got married, worried.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to drop an episode tomorrow which really

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<v Speaker 2>fucks with the scheduling and produce a Keisha's having a kindniption,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's gonna be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna help. We can't wait. This is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things well, sorry, Kisha, but this is one of

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<v Speaker 3>those things. No, this is one of those things where

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, we just want to get it to you,

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<v Speaker 3>we want to talk about it, we want to put

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<v Speaker 3>it out to the world. So we are I mean, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all that crazy. We're bumping at twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so tomorrow is like tomorrow's it says, as she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't ed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, No, I mean crashes. I mean to the life

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<v Speaker 3>is like, don't be too spun out. It's just a

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<v Speaker 3>day early.

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<v Speaker 4>You can still listen to it at your regular time

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<v Speaker 4>on Wednesday if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll still be there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Britt who shows up just has to do the record

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<v Speaker 2>and then goes home, goes it's going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, just one day earlier, will we find it? Edit?

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<v Speaker 3>Both of you?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I released it on an only fans like paywall

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<v Speaker 3>make some bank no too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you want to watch this YouTube, brit is

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<v Speaker 2>also naked doing this as well, so that's really gonna

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a bra on guy, Rocket the engagement No, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>look to be serious though, Britt got married in Bali.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to talk about it on tomorrow's episode

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<v Speaker 2>because that will not be a pre record technically in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of like the actual world of timing. This

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<v Speaker 2>being a Monday, we're going to record that episode today

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<v Speaker 2>because we've just gotten back to Sydney and we want

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<v Speaker 2>to get it to you as quickly as possible, So

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<v Speaker 2>the schedule will be a little bit out of whack tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>But we thought since everything is all happening all at once,

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<v Speaker 2>we would also treat you to the thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>have been teasing for dount two and a half years,

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<v Speaker 2>Ask gun Cut Aftermath, proudly brought to you finally by

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<v Speaker 2>Life on Cut.

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<v Speaker 4>All.

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<v Speaker 2>Look to be honest, You guys have been asking for

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<v Speaker 2>an aftermath for so long, and we have been asking

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<v Speaker 2>you for an aftermath. This is a two way relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>We feel so deeply privileged that over the last six

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<v Speaker 2>years we have received and I mean thousands upon thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of ask Guncut questions, like we receive questions every single day,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes in the hundreds, and it is such a privilege

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<v Speaker 2>that you all share with us so much about what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening in your life, and that we are able to

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<v Speaker 2>be there for the big sister advice for so many

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<v Speaker 2>of you that the Life Uncut discussion group on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>has been such a place for anonymous conversations around different

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<v Speaker 2>askun cuts. We really like, we cannot overstate how much

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<v Speaker 2>of a privilege that is. It's something that's always been

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<v Speaker 2>the missing link of the puzzle, or the missing piece

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<v Speaker 2>of the puzzle, is.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck happens? Yeah? Is that so many of you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I understand, like you've got shit going

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<v Speaker 2>on in your lives. You've got these problems to sort out,

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't always get the aftermath. We don't always

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<v Speaker 2>know what's happened. But recently Sherry has come on board.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sherry is BRIT's sister. She's working across the admin

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<v Speaker 2>side of Life on Cut, and she is actively reaching

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<v Speaker 2>out to people's whose questions we've answered and asking them

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<v Speaker 2>for an update on like where their life is at.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened off the back of these questions that we've

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<v Speaker 2>all been sitting thinking, like, oh my god, what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to that person? In particular, I'm desperate to know what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to the person who was in the threesome.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was a baby, and we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have the answer to that question, but I

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<v Speaker 3>wish Yeah, should we just get into it? Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the ask cut aftermath that you've all

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<v Speaker 2>been asking for, and we are so thrilled to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to finally bring it to you and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we now have so many of them coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to be a really fun one for

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<v Speaker 3>you guys to go and watch on YouTube as well,

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<v Speaker 3>because we're gonna put it all up and we do

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<v Speaker 3>flash back to when the questions were originally asked. The

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<v Speaker 3>funniest thing about this is if you guys know me

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<v Speaker 3>well and you've been following along, this is like that

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<v Speaker 3>really like really tight little insight into my life every question.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a different hair color like every question, and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, wow, how what was happening to me? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember being in that style of clothing. Is a

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<v Speaker 3>different version of herself. I honestly think it. I loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, who was she that day?

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<v Speaker 2>Was like what mental breakdown was Britney having? Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>always akin to what's going on in your personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like short hair, long hair, orange red brown,

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<v Speaker 2>black bob stick in fringe and like ringe, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I really maybe one day we could like sit down

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<v Speaker 2>and do the graph of it and figure out, like

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening in the life of Brittany Hockley when

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<v Speaker 2>she went and had a dramatic haircut. So it'll be like,

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<v Speaker 2>make up something happened at work, you know, somebody, wake up,

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<v Speaker 2>something happened at work. It's funny that I loved. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I only had one breakup.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, there was a few in there, but there were

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<v Speaker 3>just ones we didn't talk about. Yeah, well not yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Situationships, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, sometimes they hurt the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I think is funny when I watched this

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<v Speaker 3>back in preparation of this episode, every hair color and

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<v Speaker 3>cut that I had in the moment I really loved.

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<v Speaker 3>But then when I watched it back, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>why did I do that? I was like, do you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean? Like at the time of my life,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, guys, new heir, who is? And I

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<v Speaker 3>loved it? And now I'm looking back and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>that was an unusual choice.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be honest with you, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>day that will come where you will feel that way

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<v Speaker 2>about the fringe. I just want you guys to know

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<v Speaker 2>I strongly disagree how much you hate the fffin.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sorry, I'm not going to stop wearing Singe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, the way that we're going to run this

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<v Speaker 2>today is that we're going to play for you the

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<v Speaker 2>original ask guncut question. We're going to read to you

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<v Speaker 2>the response that we've received from our anonymous listener, our lifer,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're gonna have a discussion off the back.

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<v Speaker 2>So rock and roll on question Numblevland. My boyfriend's best

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<v Speaker 2>friend has a great partner and three kids who have

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<v Speaker 2>become a big part of our life. We always saw

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<v Speaker 2>them as the perfect family until two months ago when

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<v Speaker 2>we found out that he's been cheating for over a

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<v Speaker 2>year and got a girl pregnant. Of course, pregante Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>His partner was the one who told us and asked

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<v Speaker 2>us not to say anything. She is a very proud

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<v Speaker 2>person and was obviously a mess. I supported her and

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<v Speaker 2>of course trying to say all the right things. But

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<v Speaker 2>nearly three months later, she's just still with him, seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>in denial, while he acts like nothing happened. My boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>and I are struggling with all the lies as he

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<v Speaker 2>used their friendship to cover his tracks multiple times. Do

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<v Speaker 2>I keep being friends with them and pretend this didn't

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<v Speaker 2>cause so much hurt? I'm worried we will lose these

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<v Speaker 2>kids because we have hardly seen them since all this

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<v Speaker 2>has happened. I think she's saying, like the connection with

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<v Speaker 2>the children, and we really just don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Advice, please, all right? This is the aftermath the other

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<v Speaker 3>girl didn't go through with the pregnancy, and apparently he

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<v Speaker 3>has put boundaries in place now to try and build

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<v Speaker 3>back the trust, like checking the phones, et cetera. These

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<v Speaker 3>things were necessary because he still sees the other woman occasionally,

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<v Speaker 3>as they do have mutual friends. But I just struggle

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<v Speaker 3>to trust what he says, and my friend has sort

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<v Speaker 3>of started to remove herself from me. It's like she's

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<v Speaker 3>not wanting to talk because we are one of the

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<v Speaker 3>few people that know so many thoughts, and that she's

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<v Speaker 3>trying to block it all out as much as possible,

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<v Speaker 3>which I get it. It's so fair, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>hard to ride the wave.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so sorry for this one because no one

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<v Speaker 2>wins in this situation. I mean, you play the role

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<v Speaker 2>of being the confident and being the person that supports

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<v Speaker 2>your friend through literally the hardest thing that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go through in their relationship. But because there is

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<v Speaker 2>so much shame and embarrassment attached to it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure like this is what we discussed in the actual

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<v Speaker 2>question itself. There is so much embarrassment and probably and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean embarrassment about the fact that you've been

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<v Speaker 2>cheated on, embarrassment about staying and feeling as though that

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be judgment there. So you push a

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<v Speaker 2>the people who might have feelings about your husband because

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<v Speaker 2>of all the things that you've said. And I feel

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<v Speaker 2>so sorry for the person who wrote this in because

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, she's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be as big a part in this kid's life, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to be as big a friends as

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<v Speaker 2>what they once upon a time were. And all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is because of the behavior of this girl's husband

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<v Speaker 2>and the fact that he cheated on and got another

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<v Speaker 2>woman pregnantly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a really really sad situation for everyone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would still be really hard for your friend

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that even though the pregnancy didn't continue, he still

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<v Speaker 3>sees her all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine that part of it would be

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wild to me, wild to have like still said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I cheated on you, I got someone pregnant, but she's

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<v Speaker 3>not having it. I still want to see those Is

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<v Speaker 3>that cool? You can check my phone if you want. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot to that, But I guess that's not

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<v Speaker 3>what this is about. It is sad that she is

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<v Speaker 3>pulling away from you. I'm sure you can still save

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<v Speaker 3>that if you really want to. Like, she doesn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about it. She knows, you know, she's still embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 3>She's probably not overly happy with the life choices, but

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<v Speaker 3>she's committed to them at the moment. Like, if you

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to repair that relationship, I believe from the outside

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<v Speaker 3>you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I I mean, one of the big things

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<v Speaker 2>we covered in this and I still feel it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was that the fact that cheating affects everyone. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't just affect the people that are in that relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>but absolutely affects the friendships that are around it, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you are the friend couple and you hold a

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<v Speaker 2>high moral compass or like those belief systems don't align

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<v Speaker 2>with you. The behavior doesn't align with you because you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feel as though, well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Who this person is anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I kind of think it's very particular when

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<v Speaker 2>it's a situation where the two of you, like you're

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<v Speaker 2>a couple and you're friends with another couple, and this

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<v Speaker 2>other couple are going through it because you once upon

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<v Speaker 2>a time would have bonded over the things that you thought, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we had so many aligned values, like we got on

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<v Speaker 2>so well, Like we're similar people, and that's why as

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<v Speaker 2>couple couple friends we get along so well. When you

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<v Speaker 2>find out that one person has like really done the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong thing by their partner and completely betrayed them, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>just portray them, it portrays the friendship too, even though

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<v Speaker 2>that's like very secondary. So I understand how it affects

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<v Speaker 2>everyone in this instance, and I I think there are

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<v Speaker 2>no winners in this aftermath, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 4>I also think about the woman who got pregnant, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I really hope she was supported throughout that process as well,

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<v Speaker 4>like that decision process and also the physical process of

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<v Speaker 4>going through a termination.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's a careful situation for her as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is, all right, question number two, I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>serious need of some advice. I can't tell anyone else,

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<v Speaker 3>so you guys are it. I found my husband on

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<v Speaker 3>a gay dating platform. I went to look up something

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<v Speaker 3>in Safari on his phone because mine was upstairs. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a normal thing to do, but it was there

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<v Speaker 3>when I clicked onto the app. I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>it was at the time, and I just moved past it,

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<v Speaker 3>but something made me look further into it later that evening.

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<v Speaker 3>I found him on this app pretty easily, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how to approach the subject with him. Ps

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<v Speaker 3>The amount of married men on this platform is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called Sniffys, which I have never heard of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm googling it right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called Sniffi's and it's completely anonymous unless someone recognizes

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<v Speaker 3>the body part posted like I did, so I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 3>its like neck down and if someone has a tattoo

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<v Speaker 3>or like piercing or there's something you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, okay, So to give you context, Sniffy's is a

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<v Speaker 2>map based cruising app for the curious. Sniffy's emphasizes cruising

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<v Speaker 2>as an immersive, interactive experience, making it the hottest app

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<v Speaker 2>available for anyone who's not sure what cruising is cruising

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<v Speaker 2>is searching for a sexual partner in a public or

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<v Speaker 2>semi public space. It's a term that historically roots is

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<v Speaker 2>a coded way for gay men to recognize each other

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<v Speaker 2>and seek out sexual encounters. Something I learned is that

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<v Speaker 2>cruising does not mean you like going on cruise ships.

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<v Speaker 3>I was impact that I learned on that episode. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to say, we all remember when Klaura.

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<v Speaker 3>We remember when Laura Laura. We remember when Laura announced

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<v Speaker 3>very like adamantly, She's like, guys, I am now a cruiser.

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<v Speaker 3>I call myself a born again cruiser.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, after the back of this, ask

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<v Speaker 2>gun cut, I have never done so much research into Sniffy's.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had gone in to my Google history search,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt would have seen that and thought that there was

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<v Speaker 2>something going on, because I was like, I'm fascinated Sniffy

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<v Speaker 2>this Sniffy that I was all about it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an interesting response.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, the response to this is a tricky one, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have some feelings. Thanks so much for your wonderful advice.

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<v Speaker 2>I approached Hubby about it and he denied everything, saying

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<v Speaker 2>it must have been an ad off a pawn page

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<v Speaker 2>or something. He assured me that the profile I found

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<v Speaker 2>on there was somewhat else's, as he would never cheat

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<v Speaker 2>on me, especially with a man. He gave me his

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<v Speaker 2>phone to go through, and I swiped through the screens

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<v Speaker 2>and found a private messenger app that he'd paid ten

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for. No messages in there, but I'm sorry who

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<v Speaker 2>pays ten dollars for a private messaging app. I also

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<v Speaker 2>found a photo album app that had a password that

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<v Speaker 2>he apparently can't remember.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't dive any further as the whole thing just

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<v Speaker 2>felt awkward and I already felt like I'd invaded his

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<v Speaker 2>privacy enough. My bones tell me that he is guilty

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<v Speaker 2>of something, but I'm not sure of the extent of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I've got him telling me it's all in

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<v Speaker 2>my head and that he loves me. Could I be

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<v Speaker 2>losing my mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Am?

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<v Speaker 2>I booked in to see a psychologist next Friday so

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<v Speaker 2>I can get all of this out and have some

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<v Speaker 2>assistance in working through the next steps. Yes, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to join the session as he is against therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>He sounds like he's healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you all and the work that you do, your

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<v Speaker 2>advice and non judgmental approach is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks again.

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<v Speaker 3>This one for me is really hard because we don't

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<v Speaker 3>know the situation obviously from what she's saying. But I

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<v Speaker 3>hate making statements, but I do want to say it

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<v Speaker 3>is so highly unlikely that you clicked on a porn

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<v Speaker 3>ad that downloaded a dating app that signed you up

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<v Speaker 3>for ten dollars on your phone, Like that doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have the added layer. And I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>conscious that this listener will highly likely be listening to this,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm very conscious of using the word but he

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<v Speaker 3>is gaslighting you in this situation by saying like you're

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<v Speaker 3>crazy and like you're imagining it and whatever. And I

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<v Speaker 3>love you. I have no doubt he loves you. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that is a question at all. But I

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<v Speaker 3>do think that your husband is really dealing with some

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like these apps aren't just even if it was

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<v Speaker 3>downloaded to your phone accidentally, somehow it doesn't sign you

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<v Speaker 3>up and puts you on the dating app with your profile.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there's even more to this though, like the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he has a photo vault in his phone

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<v Speaker 2>that he just simply can't remember the password too. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that to me alarm bells, Okay, reset the password, then

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<v Speaker 2>you can do that, figure out how to get in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that you need to hold that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of intervention and then like you know, you've said it

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<v Speaker 2>already forel awkward and that you totally invaded his privacy enough.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like he doesn't have to give you that

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<v Speaker 2>level of inclusion into his privacy. But there are enough

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<v Speaker 2>red flags here for you that your intuition is screaming

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<v Speaker 2>at you. And I am such a big believer that

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<v Speaker 2>if your intuition is raging, that is your internal warning

0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.600
<v Speaker 2>system telling you that something is wrong. We have said

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<v Speaker 2>that since day one of this podcast, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that has been a current theme in the advice

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<v Speaker 2>that we've given. I'm not saying you should leave your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that it's over. I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he can't come around and maybe Look, everyone is different,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some people are able to move on from

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<v Speaker 2>situations and not know everything. I myself are someone who

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<v Speaker 2>like I need clarity, I need like a bow on

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<v Speaker 2>the problems, and I need to feel as though my

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<v Speaker 2>feelings of insanity are being validated because I know I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not just an insane person that creates drama for no reason.

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<v Speaker 2>And I dare say, with the very level question and

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<v Speaker 2>the very level response that you have sent in, you

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<v Speaker 2>are not insane either. The fact that he refuses to

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<v Speaker 2>do therapy because he's against therapy doesn't really show me

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<v Speaker 2>that he's working towards solving this problem. He's saying there

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<v Speaker 2>is no problem and the problem is you, which I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think fixes this at all. And I hate that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a solution to this.

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<v Speaker 3>But also and I don't have a solution for you either. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you can do in this situation.

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<v Speaker 3>What I will, hands down say he said it's in

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<v Speaker 3>your head. It's not. It's physically there. You've seen it,

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<v Speaker 3>so we can scrap that. And I feel like you

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<v Speaker 3>can say that to him, babe, this is not in

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<v Speaker 3>my head. We obviously need to talk about it. We

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<v Speaker 3>do need to be hyper aware that there is something

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<v Speaker 3>huge going on with your partner internally, like he's not

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<v Speaker 3>admitting it. You are married, you are a man and woman.

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<v Speaker 3>He's on a gay dating app. You have seen him.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, he's going to be defensive, like that is

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<v Speaker 3>always going to be his first port of call. You

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<v Speaker 3>are never going to have that conversation and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I found this gay dating app and he's going to

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<v Speaker 3>say you got me, like our marriage is a scam

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. Like it's never going to happen on that

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<v Speaker 3>first confrontation. But you do need to continue the conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>You said, I feel in my bones something He's not right.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to sit in that. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what else to say to you, because I would normally say,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys need to go and speak to someone. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you can't physically drag someone there, if he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to, if he says no, I don't believe in it.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to continue the conversation though.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what the really relieving thing is. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about going to therapy together. Sometimes it is

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<v Speaker 2>about going to therapy by yourself or going and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a psychologist. Because we don't have all the information. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>we get what you guys give us. And this was

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<v Speaker 2>particularly a question that we got a lot of responses to.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is is going and speaking to a

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<v Speaker 2>therapist can either give you the tools to help fix

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<v Speaker 2>something if you're both working on it. Ultimately it can

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<v Speaker 2>also give you the tools to leave if that's something

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<v Speaker 2>that you choose to do too. But you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to know that until you sit down and you really

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<v Speaker 2>work through it. And I think the fact that you

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<v Speaker 2>have made that decision because you feel so deeply uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>by where you are at in your relationship is incredible

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<v Speaker 2>and you should be like, genuinely, you should feel so

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<v Speaker 2>proud of yourself for putting those measures in place.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do think you need to push a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more. I wouldn't normally say this. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but you need to push a little bit more. On

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<v Speaker 3>the photo album that is locked with a password. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>if you've forgotten that, you just reset it.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think the app thing, when can you download

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<v Speaker 4>an app by accident and need to face It needs

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<v Speaker 4>a log and it needs a pass, You need to

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<v Speaker 4>upload a photo.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to give it details like do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what your data it's akin to?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a kin to when And this is probably happened

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<v Speaker 2>to lots of people fugging opened to move. When someone

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<v Speaker 2>sees your boyfriend on Tinder and you're like, hey, why

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<v Speaker 2>are you on Tinder? We've been together for two years

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<v Speaker 2>and they say, Oh, it's just so weird. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>inactive for so long, but somehow it's just back in

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<v Speaker 2>the Tinder swiping atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't happen, guys, It's not really a photos that

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<v Speaker 3>you've taken.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not real, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And really, maybe we haven't talked about this enough recently

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But like if a guy says that to you,

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<v Speaker 2>they've been on Tinder, it's not. Tinder is not just

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<v Speaker 2>throwing profiles out into the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>They're really not.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually will say I've had my identity taken two

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<v Speaker 4>or three times on Danny as, but it's a different name.

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<v Speaker 1>That's different.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also had fake accounts made of me and my

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<v Speaker 2>name was Katinka and I liked anal Sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay it wasn't me, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just not time to admit that that's different. Like

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<v Speaker 3>this is a safe space. Can we just call Laura

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<v Speaker 3>Katinka from here on in?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's different, like jazz and anal Sex a power

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<v Speaker 2>early according to that, I also lived in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>but she seemed cool.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but it's different now, like all jokes aside to Katinka,

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<v Speaker 3>what's your name? Katinka? Take this seriously, Tinky tinker Bell.

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<v Speaker 3>All jokes aside. You do have to verify almost every

0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.520
<v Speaker 3>app now, and verification means that you have checked your

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<v Speaker 3>identity because too many people are stealing it. Is your

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<v Speaker 3>photo often taken and used as someone else, Yes, but

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<v Speaker 3>you cannot sign up to a complete app with your

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<v Speaker 3>photo on your phone accidentally, it doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially photos are our public you know, like ours were

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<v Speaker 4>taken from our public Instagram, whereas the photo that she applied.

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<v Speaker 5>Was on there was like a photo of a body

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<v Speaker 5>part or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I just I think you do need to

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<v Speaker 3>continue the conversation and push a little bit. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what he's going to say up the back

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<v Speaker 3>of it. You might need to make some decisions on

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<v Speaker 3>your own. If he doesn't want to talk about it

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<v Speaker 3>and he doesn't want to go to therapy, there's not

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to do. Then you go to therapy and

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<v Speaker 3>get to a place that you feel comfortable with with yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>But for us there are some little alarm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting though that you push the idea of like

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<v Speaker 2>getting to the bottom of the photo app because I

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<v Speaker 2>know you would. But I have been in the situation

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<v Speaker 2>where my ex you cheated on me lots and lots

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<v Speaker 2>of times. Found loads of things in his phone. So

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<v Speaker 2>do you guys remember the calculator? So yeah, this was

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<v Speaker 2>literally how linear this was. I was laying on a

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<v Speaker 2>beach next to him in Bali. We were laying on

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<v Speaker 2>a beach together, and I was reading an article in

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<v Speaker 2>a tech magazine about how there was an app where

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<v Speaker 2>it appears like a calculator and once you type in

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<v Speaker 2>a certain equation, the equation is a code. And once

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<v Speaker 2>that equation has been typed in the calculator app on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone converts to a photovolt, So it appears to

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else as a normal calculator, but as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>that equation has been entered, it turns into a photovolt.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was reading this article and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet this motherfucker has that.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you he does.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, hey, honey, can I have your

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<v Speaker 2>phone for a second, and he handed it to me,

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<v Speaker 2>flipped through. There it was the calculator app that I

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<v Speaker 2>had just been reading about in this magazine and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, put your equation in.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't give it to me? Absolutely denied, would not give

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<v Speaker 2>it to me. But it was plain day that that

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<v Speaker 2>was the photo app vault that was sitting right there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a calculator, and he would never give

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<v Speaker 2>it to me. And I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need it. I don't need to see what's

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<v Speaker 2>in it because I know what's in it. I know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing. I know that you know how to

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<v Speaker 2>get into this, and so that was enough evidence for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it depends on how much proof you need.

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<v Speaker 3>So my advice here is we need an aftermath of

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<v Speaker 3>the aftermath. I need to know what you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>do off the back of this, because this is there's

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<v Speaker 3>some few big decisions that you need to make. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so sorry that you're going through this. We always

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<v Speaker 3>try and be non judgmental and like we try to

0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.200
<v Speaker 3>put ourselves in that situation, and I cannot imagine how

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<v Speaker 3>hard that is for you. This is your marriage, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a really huge part of your life that

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.400
<v Speaker 3>you're battling with. But it's really important that you figure

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<v Speaker 3>it out for you because it's a long time for

0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.960
<v Speaker 3>you to be uncertain in questioning what your marriage is,

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<v Speaker 3>not being able to trust your partner for them to

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 3>be gaslighting you. Like what he is saying that that's

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<v Speaker 3>in your head. Is so wrong to have done that

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<v Speaker 3>to you. But I'm sure that you're gonna unpack that

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<v Speaker 3>with your therapist. After math. The aftermath for us, we'd

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<v Speaker 3>love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sniffy is if he's guys all right?

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<v Speaker 3>Good question number three. I'm sorry it's true though. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're on sniffy 're iffy Okay, that's the new tagline

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<v Speaker 3>his question number three. My partner and I were together

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<v Speaker 3>for two years, lived together, were speaking of marriage and

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<v Speaker 3>kids within the coming year. Now, eight months ago, something

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<v Speaker 3>happened randomly and my partner started pulling away. He was

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<v Speaker 3>just so checked out. He said he wanted to go

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<v Speaker 3>to barley with a mate, and when he returned, he

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<v Speaker 3>dumped me. Two days later. Little did I know, he

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<v Speaker 3>found a new girlfriend in BALI made it official and

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<v Speaker 3>hard launched their relationship on Instagram just two weeks later.

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<v Speaker 3>I was beyond heartbroken. I moved back in with my

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<v Speaker 3>parents and was the worst time of my life. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>fast forward eight months, he's called things off with the

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<v Speaker 3>new girl. He said he can't move on from me.

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<v Speaker 3>He still loves me, he said he has realized what

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<v Speaker 3>he's lost. He has massive issues, and he's willing to

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<v Speaker 3>do anything to fix this, including apples, counseling, and deleting

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.280
<v Speaker 3>his social media in order to gain my trust back.

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<v Speaker 3>My whole family and friends hate him, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what to do. Is it worth giving him another

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.640
<v Speaker 3>go and trust that he won't break my heart again?

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<v Speaker 3>Or am I just risking ending up back at square one?

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<v Speaker 3>Has too much damage been done? Please play the responses

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<v Speaker 3>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>We did not agree. We did not agree on this one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you what I think from reading this.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not find a girlfriend over in Bali. He

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<v Speaker 2>went to Bally he met her before Bali. He met

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<v Speaker 2>her here. He checked out because he had started to

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 2>have feelings with someone else. He was confused, didn't know

0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 2>what he wanted. He went to Bally to be with her.

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Decided in Bali that he was going to come home,

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<v Speaker 2>break up with you, and then have that relationship. I

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<v Speaker 2>might be wrong, but I would literally bet my left

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.960
<v Speaker 2>kidney that that's what happened. You could be wrong, but

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<v Speaker 2>I could be wrong, but it seems all very severe

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.280
<v Speaker 2>and then very instant to go to Bali and fall

0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 2>in love and come back, and because two weeks to

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 2>announce you've got a new girlfriend after just breaking up

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 2>to me, that's like, oh, in his mind, that's been

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<v Speaker 2>going on for a while.

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 3>He needed that to like solidify.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it's easy to give advice when it seems so

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<v Speaker 2>clear cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Your family and your friends are right.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be giving somebody who could so easily

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 2>dispose of our life, our relationship. The fact that we

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 2>were living together, the fact that we were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>getting married, like you weren't just casually dating and he

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:27.880
<v Speaker 2>was still deciding what he wanted. You had a whole

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>committed life together. And it was two years, which two

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 2>years is a long time when you've been in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not a long time for someone to turn around,

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<v Speaker 2>cheat on you, leave you, and then come back and say,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I made a terrible mistake. I only

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>want to be with you. I would not be giving

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<v Speaker 2>him a second chance. I would not be giving him

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to hurt me in the way that he

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<v Speaker 2>has done this.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got slightly different advice. Oh, I agree with everything

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 3>you said, Okay, but I think that that is the

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<v Speaker 3>obvious on paper answer that everyone would say, fuck him,

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 3>You're better than that. The fact is you're with him

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 3>for two years, you live together, you saw your life together.

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 3>You love him, and we know that someone can do

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 3>the wrong thing and it doesn't change the fact that

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 3>you still love him. The fact that you've written this

0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 3>to us means it is not clear cut for you. You

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you should go back, so you probably

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 3>do still have feelings. My advice would be to take

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:20.919
<v Speaker 3>him up, not to go back to him, not to

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 3>give him anything. Take him up on the couple's counseling,

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 3>go to a session with your eyes wide open, listen

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 3>to what he has to say. You say your part,

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 3>let the therapist give their opinion. Then I would maybe

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 3>even have a session off the back of that alone

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.199
<v Speaker 3>so you can go through things, because you've obviously got

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 3>to work through some things in your head. I think

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 3>you'll end up getting to that answer of not being together,

0:25:45.840 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Like I think that's where you're going to end up.

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.639
<v Speaker 3>But sometimes you need to take the harder route to

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.679
<v Speaker 3>find it. Like, sometimes it's not as clear cut as

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 3>your friend's just going he's a fuck with don't go there.

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I wish it were that easy, but it's not. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been in those situations. I've been with absolute time, heard

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 3>burgers who I would have tried to go back to,

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 3>because you need to get there on your own. That's

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.719
<v Speaker 3>what my advice would be in this situation. Oh, I

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.719
<v Speaker 3>feel so differently about this. I went back to problematic

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 3>partners many times.

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course I did, And I wish I had had

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>more self confidence and I had more trust that I

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>was going to meet someone better, and that I had

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>more love and compassion for myself than the love and

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 2>compassion I had for them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the reality.

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 2>The reason why I kept going back and going back

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and going back was because I was like, they've got

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>bad mental health, They're in a bad space. They're the

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:33.640
<v Speaker 2>ones who were hurting, and I wanted to fix them

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to be with them. I didn't care

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>about what it was doing to my mental health. I

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't care about how it was absolutely eroding my self

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>confidence and my ability to make my friendships the way

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>my family saw me. Like it is and I think

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a very very dangerous place for you to get into,

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to go to couple's therapy with him, because it gives

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>him every opportunity to victimize himself in this situation. Yes,

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>he may be going through a bad place. He's also

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.639
<v Speaker 2>going through a break up right now, right he left

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>you to be with someone else. He's been with that

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 2>person for eight months. He left you with the confidence

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 2>that that was going to be a relationship that worked out,

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:13.440
<v Speaker 2>and now his life is in tatters and he's come

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 2>crawling back to what was safe, familiar, and who's going

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>to make him feel better. Oh that girl, he loves

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>me so much that will take me back, even if

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I've been with someone else for eight months. He's trying

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 2>to fix a hole in him, right, And yeah, he's

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 2>saying he'll go to therapy, he'll do all the things,

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>No doubt he'll do that. I think you deserve better.

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I think you need to have the trust and faith

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>in yourself that you will meet someone who you love

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>more than him and who treats you better than this.

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Fucking hate this guy. I hate him him, I hate him.

0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 3>I hate him.

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 4>To look on your face, Oh, it was speaking like

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 4>you just got angrier and angrier.

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:46.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what, because I get what you're saying, brit

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I absolutely get it. Sometimes you need to go back

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 2>to learn the.

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Lesson more times than not.

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>You have to, But I would love to be able

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>to say and look at something objectively and go you

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>know what, You might go back. You might need to

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>learn that lesson, but you shouldn't have to. He has

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>proven already multiple times to be the person and the

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 2>version that you think he is. Everybody else can see

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it for what it is. Don't subject yourself to going back.

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's why I said at the start of

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 3>this that it's not black and white. It's easy to

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 3>say that we wish it was that. Psychologically it's not

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.360
<v Speaker 3>that easy. We know that sometimes you have to learn

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.959
<v Speaker 3>things the hard way. But I wanted to give realistic advice.

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 3>And can I say she definitely did take my advice

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 3>and she did go back and it did not turn out. Well, Well,

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 3>let me tell you, he's exactly the person I thought

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 3>he was. This it's actually wild. I ended up catching

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 3>up and hearing my ex out truthfully, and it's embarrassing

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>to admit. I started falling for it. He nearly had me.

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 3>He even started convincing my family and friends, who all

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 3>hated his guts. I was so close to giving in

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 3>when I received an anonymous message from someone from a

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 3>fake Instagram account. The message told me that my ex

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 3>had never actually ended things with the girl that he

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 3>cheated on me with. They were still very much in

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 3>a relationship all the while. Well, he was also sleeping

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 3>with and dating a new person he had met at

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:07.400
<v Speaker 3>the gym. He was in two relationships with two separate girls,

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 3>and also trying to rekindle the relationship with me at

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 3>the same time. I'm actually wondering if this was my ex.

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 3>We both told him where to go, We cut him

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 3>off immediately from our lives. We have actually become friends

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 3>since then, because it turns out he also lied to

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 3>her about being in a relationship with me when they

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 3>met in Bali. The guy's a psychopath. Unfortunately, the third

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 3>girl he was dating has chosen to continue a relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with him and give him the benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for your amazing advice. It means

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<v Speaker 3>the world and it was extremely helpful. I wanted to

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 3>include that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm do lad, but also I feel really sorry for

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>this third girl who's just now in the vortex of

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>this absolute slop of a man.

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Like what a pig? Do you not have a job?

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 4>Like how the fuck do you have the time how

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 4>do you have the mental space to take on three?

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<v Speaker 3>This is the thing though, Ray my ex had eight

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 3>and had one of the most intense jobs you've ever

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 3>heard of. Like, if they want to do it, it's

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 3>a control trip, they can do it it.

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Also, like I think you know when you're in this

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.959
<v Speaker 2>type of situation, there are so many red flags because

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>you never feel at ease in a way that you

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 2>do when your relationship is stable and comfortable. You always

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're not accessible all the time, or like,

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, why is their phone off or that something's

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 2>come up. Plans change, things shift, but it becomes It's

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:27.479
<v Speaker 2>crazy how quickly certain behaviors become normal, and then you

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>give grace to it.

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 3>Like you see the red flags.

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>You know that they're not consistent with how someone should behave,

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but they're consistent for that person.

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 3>So you're like, well, it's just kind of what he's like.

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>And so you start to become familiar with like a

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 2>bad pattern in a relationship and you just aren't even

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>aware to it.

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, I'm so glad that you're

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>out of this. I'm so glad that you found friendship

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>in the other person as well. There's something really empowering

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>and awesome about that. How often women are pitted against

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>each other. Often we can choose to hate the other

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 2>woman because they're the reason why our relationship didn't work out.

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 2>But it's so nice to know that, like, the reason

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>isn't her, the reason is him, And you guys had

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>that friendship.

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<v Speaker 4>I have this actually where an ex of mine got

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<v Speaker 4>a new partner and I got this message from her Instagram.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 5>I knew who she was, and I got this message

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 5>from her.

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 4>It must have been a year or a year and

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 4>a half later, and it basically was like, I've only

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 4>just found out that you exist. I think you might

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 4>be the only person in the world who actually understands

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 4>what I'm talking about, because the thing about men like

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 4>this is that some of their behavior is so insidious

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 4>and it's so gradual that when you explain it to other.

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 3>People it's crazy, it sounds crazy.

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 4>And the really comforting thing in talking with someone who's

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 4>experienced the same person is that you don't have to

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 4>explain it. She was saying things to me on the phone,

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, oh, say less, I get you.

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 4>I so understand how that feels. This is my experience,

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 4>and she's a beautiful person and we are nice friends now,

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 4>and I doubleda her instagrams.

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 3>All the time. I flew down when I found out

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 3>who my ex the other girl he was marrying, because

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 3>it was full two blown relationships. I flew down to her.

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 3>We were friends. We went out partying, We got so drunk,

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 3>I was vomiting out a taxi like. We had the

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 3>best time because we realized that it was neither of us.

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 3>But this is also why, like I do stand by

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 3>my advice of sorting it out for yourself sometimes because

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 3>if you didn't go back, you would always wonder you

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 3>still had those feelings, you still loved him. You'd be like,

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 3>what if, because he sounds like he's a mass manipulator.

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>He would have made you feel like maybe you made

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 3>the wrong choice. You went back, and now you know,

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 3>hands down ten times more. Like it is so easy

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 3>to cut someone off when you have this level of information,

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 3>as before he had you convinced of like, I made

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 3>a truly horrific mistake. You're my person. I love you.

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 3>I can understand why you have to figure this shit out.

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. My only thing I want to

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 2>say the contradicts it a little bit. Is that this

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>person it is a very fortunate situation that someone anonymously

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>slid into her DMS that may not have happened, and

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>this could have gone on for years. And I don't

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>think that we should necessarily prioritize having every single bit

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of evidence because it will mean you will stay in

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>relationships for so fucking long because you are desperate to

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>find the truth or to give some another chance. I

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>think if people show you who they are, believe it,

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>have the confidence in yourself to walk away. I didn't

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>have that, and I wasn't able to do that when

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I was in my twenties, and it is my biggest

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>regret in my long term relationships that I didn't have

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the fucking ability to go. You know what, Actually, I

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>see you for the person that you are. I'm not

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>going to fix this. I know how you behaved and

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>it is not good enough for me. And that is

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the reason why I guess maybe sometimes it's hard love

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>that I give in my advice, and it's simply because

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had done it differently.

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 3>At the end of the day, you've figured it out.

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 3>We're stoked for you in a way. That you've moved on,

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 3>and I am hoping you're in a happy place, so

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 3>thank you for writing that. In all right, the.

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Question number four is a real doozy one.

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you it's certainly not a high brow

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 2>question that we got, and it has to do with farts.

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Let's have listen to this. I've been seeing this guy

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 3>for about three months now. We're exclusive and it's going

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>very well. It's the first time I'm getting serious with

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 3>so the first time I've been hanging out with a

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 3>guy quite a lot, all night and all weekend. The

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 3>issue is, I'm quite a gassy person by nature.

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Same babe.

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't have any stomach issues. I just tend to

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 3>need to do a few pop offs after big meals

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 3>are in the morning. I also poop quite a lot too,

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Same girl. Same I mean, wait, you nevers to pool

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 3>around him, and I get scared he's going to go

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:25.760
<v Speaker 3>in after me and smell what I have just done.

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm also holding in all of my farts. This is

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:32.760
<v Speaker 3>causing me serious stomach aches and paints. I'm often recovering

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 3>from holding me in from one to two days after

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 3>seeing him. Side note, he fights in front of me,

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 3>but I'm too embarrassed to do it back. We had

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 3>different advice.

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 2>I was like, let it fly free, let it fly free,

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 2>fart all you like shit in that bathroom, that's what

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 2>they're for.

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 3>No, our advice was the same. The only difference was

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>you said let it go in front of him, and

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 3>I said go to the bathroom. I was like, you're

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 3>allowed to far, it's normal. But Laura and I have

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 3>different things. Laura is happy to cock her butt, cheek

0:34:59.160 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 3>and fart wherever.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I run a quality and parody in my relationships.

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>If he's gonna far in bed next to me, you

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 2>better believe I'm gonna fart in bed next to him.

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Are farting? Isn't a quality like? That is not what

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 3>we put a quality on. We fought for these rights.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I bought for these right right my grandmother and her grandmother.

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:17.919
<v Speaker 2>They all thought so that I can far in front

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 2>of my husband and he doesn't think I'm less of

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>a lady.

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 3>Goddamn it, that's what they did. Let me read it

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>to you. I took your advice about being honest and

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 3>started saying I'm going to go to another room because

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 3>I need to fight. Or I would say you're not

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 3>allowed to go into the bathroom right now after my poop.

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 3>I still haven't actually farted in front of him, though, Shane, wait,

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 3>do you do it? You'll feel so liberated. But not

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 3>long after I message you guys, we started doing long distance.

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 3>So now I'm farting all over the place. Fowls have

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 3>never felt better. He's coming to visit soon, so I

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 3>think I'll have to take a step back and have

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 3>to be romantic again. I think this is funny, perfect.

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 3>You've owned it. He knows your fart, he knows your poop.

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 3>You don't do it in front of him. For me,

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 3>this is like the most beautiful response to an ask

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 3>on gut well done. This is deeff the question I

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 3>was hanging on the edge of my seat for.

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Can I just say there is nothing worse than how

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>gassy you get when you're pregnant as well, and you're

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>gassy anyway, it is tenfold. Vanessa, did you have this

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>when you were pregnant? Yea, Vanessa is our video editor

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 2>and she's still gassy. Yeah, I feel it's the rum

0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>all right. Question number five. This question got people so

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>fucking angry on our social media, and rightly so. We

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>spoke about coesse of control off the back of this,

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and really, I think, like if you haven't seen this

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>question before, like I'm looking forward to what the answer is.

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 2>But it was one that really kind of sparked some

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>conversation across the laugh on Cut community.

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 3>My husband doesn't like me wearing g strings. Now.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>We have been together for twelve years, since I was seventeen,

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>married with three young kids. When I was younger, I

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>never wore g strings. I thought they were uncomfortable. Fast

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 2>forward to my late twenties and in the past year,

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I've started wearing g strings to go to the gym

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 2>for comfort and more for a seamless style.

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>My husband does not like this.

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>He thinks that I am disrespecting his boundaries and that

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not being a good wife because I'm parading myself

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 2>by wearing that kind of underwear with short leggings running

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>or going to the gym. Yeah, while he is working

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:19.160
<v Speaker 2>hard to provide for our family, I think the request

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to control the type of underwear I wear is over

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 2>the top, and it was a decision I made for

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>myself and for my own comfort and not to parade

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to others. I don't want to disrespect him or his boundaries?

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.919
<v Speaker 2>Though what do I do now?

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 3>We both had the same response to this. I think

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 3>that is really obvious.

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it made us really mad.

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, no man should ever tell you what you

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 2>can and can't wear for your underwear, like you shouldn't

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>have to even explain yourself. The fact that this became

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.760
<v Speaker 2>a conversation around boundaries, which we've had this reoccurring theme

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>in oskon cuts before the weaponizing of therapy talk as

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 2>a way of controlling someone to do what you want,

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and that's exactly what he's doing in this situation, saying

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>when you say I don't want to disrespect him or

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>his boundaries, your underwear is not his boundaries.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 1>They're two very different things.

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And that was evident in the overwhelming response that we

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 2>receive from Life Is about this question.

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 3>And a big part of my response was based around

0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 3>the fact that you have written this in because you

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 3>didn't know if it was normal. You had been with

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 3>your partner since you were seventeen for twelve years, and

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 3>I truly believe a lot of this was based around

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 3>the fact that you were not naive, but you didn't

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 3>have the lived experience because you just quite frankly, haven't

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 3>been in another adult relationship. There's nothing against that, and

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 3>sometimes we don't have those conversations with our friends and families.

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 3>And I'm assuming you had never had that conversation, which

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 3>is why you wrote into us, And from your answer

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:41.240
<v Speaker 3>it sounds like that was accurate.

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would agree.

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 2>The other thing I want to add to this is

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>that coercive control and control of any kind can also

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>be a slow creep. It's something that might not seem

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:55.600
<v Speaker 2>as though it is that unfamiliar or it is that overbearing.

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 2>But if he's doing this about your underwear, I dare

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 2>say he's doing it at other aspects of your life too.

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we touched on the fact that after

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.399
<v Speaker 2>you have children, sometimes your life gets a little bit

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>smaller because you're primarily for a lot of women, you're

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 2>taking care of kids, and so you become more contained.

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And then as your kids get a little bit older,

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, you want to go back to the gym

0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>and you want to do things that are for yourself,

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and some controlling or more controlling partners find that transition

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>really challenging and it is a fucking massive red flag.

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>This is what you had to say.

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 3>This response, I don't think is a good response. Unfortunately,

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 3>it has some good aspects in it, but overall, you

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 3>guys have a listen. It hasn't been easy navigating this

0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 3>relationship when it's all I've ever known. I appreciated the

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 3>opportunity to hear others thoughts, opinions and realized that it

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 3>is not normal behavior. Thank you for that. It helped

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.359
<v Speaker 3>me to feel stronger for sticking up for myself. Part

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 3>of me is actually ashamed to admit that since I

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 3>sent in that question, I have also found out that

0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 3>my husband has cheated on me. But still I found

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 3>myself unable to leave, even though I to. When it's good,

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 3>it's good, and when it's bad, it's bad. Over the

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 3>past two years, my eyes have been open to how

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.400
<v Speaker 3>much emotional abuse has occurred within the relationship. Having my

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.120
<v Speaker 3>question answered also helped cement that a little bit more

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 3>for me. But it is definitely a vicious cycle of

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 3>also being blamed for occurrences and then having the mental

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.959
<v Speaker 3>battle of well, maybe this is my fault, or maybe

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 3>if I did do this, or if I said this differently,

0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't have happened. In short, I did stand up

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 3>for myself and my rights in being able to make

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 3>decisions for myself, and I did continue to wear what

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to wear. Bit by bit, I'm getting stronger

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 3>and better at sticking up for myself, and I still

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 3>have a long way to go this. Actually, I don't

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 3>know why this makes me want to cry, because I

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 3>feel like because it's not a resolution, and you when

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 3>you hear someone say I want to leave, but I can't,

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 3>there's so much more to this, and I'm so glad

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 3>hearing that you've realized what is normal behavior and is

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 3>not normal behavior. And it does sound like you're taking

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 3>things back into control a little bit in your relationship,

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 3>which is amazing that that is happening, But you still

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 3>don't have to be in a relationship you don't want

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 3>to be in.

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is also a very very good reminder,

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 2>and we talked about this recently on an Ask on

0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Cut episode. It's a very good reminder that the people

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 2>who write these questions in are real people, and sometimes

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.919
<v Speaker 2>the feedback on the reels or in the discussion group

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 2>can be quite brutal because we read a question and

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it seems so evident like this is course of control.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Get the fuck out, and people write, people write advice

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 2>given in a way that's not given to a friend,

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 2>sometimes because it is their immediate knee jerk reaction, but

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 2>having the context of what it is that you're living,

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 2>where you're at in your relationship, and how this has

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 2>been something that has been systemic throughout your entire relationship

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.720
<v Speaker 2>so many years. I think it's a really nice reminder

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 2>to all of us. And like, when I say to

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 2>you guys, I don't mean like you specifically, but to

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 2>our community that the people who write these questions in

0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a real people.

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 3>They are dealing with very, very real problems.

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>And some of it goes a lot deeper than my

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 2>husband told me that I can't wear x y underwear,

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:08.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's the tip of the iceberg, that's

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>the thing that's made the question be written in. But

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that type of behavior is indicative of so much more

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>that lays beneath and I'm just really grateful that maybe

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>your eyes have been opened to a little bit more,

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that you are able to stand up for yourself a

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 2>little bit more in this relationship, and this is the

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 2>first step to you figuring out exactly what it is

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that you want and building the confidence if it is

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>what you want to leave, because it sounds evident that

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:32.879
<v Speaker 2>things are not good here.

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 3>And I still I hate saying this, but I do

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 3>want to encourage you to leave, like you've said, I

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 3>want to leave, And there's things you know, when it's

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 3>good is good. It is very tricky territory. Like that

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 3>is tricky because we start to hold on to the

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.399
<v Speaker 3>things that are good to negate the things that are bad.

0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 3>But it shouldn't be a battle of like, well, it's

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 3>okay that he did that because then he brought me flowers.

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 3>It's okay that he did that because then he made

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 3>me feel really good. Like we get ourselves into that

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 3>position where we start to make excuses things. Yeah, it

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 3>does become our normal, and it is your normal. It

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 3>is all that you know.

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, that exact sentence that you wrote, exactly what you said, brute,

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>when it's good, it's good, and when it's bad it

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 2>can be bad is indicative of the roller coaster of

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a toxic relationship that to me screams the literal framework

0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>for how an incredibly toxic relationship works.

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>The highs are fucking high.

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>The lows are abusively low, and that is my fear

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 2>for this because when you're in the low, you just

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 2>want to get back to the high. And when that's

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 2>all you've known in a relationship, that becomes your blueprint,

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 2>it becomes your normal. And so I understand why it

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>is so hard to leave. I understand why it's so

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 2>hard when you find out your partner's cheated on you

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 2>to go. Actually, I'm not going to stand for this anymore.

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And the reason is.

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Because you've stood for so much already, You've already withstood

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>so many of the bad bits that this is just

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 2>like another thing that's piled on, and so you just

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>continue to stay.

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 3>And I really hope that you're able to get some

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 3>help in this.

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I know we give the advice all the time on

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>our actual ask gun cuts go and speak to someone,

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 2>but I think that this an opportunity for you to

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe get some help outside of the relationship now that

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you've identified the things that are really problematic about it.

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 4>And also just lastly, I want to tell the person

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:09.879
<v Speaker 4>who wrote this in that all of us are really

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 4>proud of if you fee like making those first steps.

0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 4>It's a really hard thing to do and it's so hard,

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 4>Like both of you said when it's the only thing

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 4>that you know, like you actually you've said at their

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 4>very end here, I still have a long way to go.

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 3>Well done for starting one hundred percent all right, very

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 3>last aftermath. I want to do a nudy swim, but

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 3>my boyfriend's against it. Hear me out. I live in

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Hobart and every year there is a really big nud

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 3>to swim to celebrate the winter solstice. You have to register,

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 3>there's no photography allowed. You all wear robes and swim caps.

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.720
<v Speaker 3>You drop them then running to the water really quickly.

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Of course there's a lot of nudity, that's the whole point,

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 3>but it's absolutely freezing, so it's not like everyone is

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 3>hanging around stark naked looking at each other. I told

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 3>my partner that I want to participate in the swim

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 3>this year, and it did not go down well. He

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 3>believes that it's a perverse event, just four of perverts.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't really understand why it has to be nude,

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Like why can't you just go and do a swim

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 3>to celebrate, which I sort of also get, like you

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 3>could just go and do a normal swim. He doesn't

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.280
<v Speaker 3>understand why I would quote put myself in a situation

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 3>with pervs and to parade myself like meet in front

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 3>of lions.

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>That was just wow, it's bittraumatic.

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:23.360
<v Speaker 3>I find this language incredibly shaming. Further's the sexualization of

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 3>female's bodies in a negative way. Am I the asshole

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.920
<v Speaker 3>for going ahead and doing it regardless of his feelings

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:29.960
<v Speaker 3>and his attitude?

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we had similar takes on this because I think

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day we were like, oh,

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 2>we didn't.

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I thought we were like, you can go and do it.

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 3>No, I basically said, I get it because if you

0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 3>were a PERV, that's where you'd go. If you're a PERV,

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 3>you would google nude events and like seems pretty obvious

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 3>that that's where you turn up if you're a permit.

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if a purv's going to get much

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>out of seeing some chicks run into the water, Like

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 2>is that what pervs are?

0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 3>After? You know what? We didn't talk about it. I

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 3>think the thing.

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Is is like people who are actually perverted, like, if

0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 2>we're going to really go down that track, do we

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>have to do just second, don't cancel me. People who

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 2>are actually perverted are not going to sit there and

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 2>watch people who voluntarily are running into the water because

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>there's no like, there's no perversion about that.

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Take photos and stuff.

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the perversion comes from doing something that you're

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.239
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to do. It comes from the naughtiness of it.

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 2>It comes from like the illegal part of it.

0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:18.879
<v Speaker 3>Like that, that's not true. I think.

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:20.879
<v Speaker 2>So someone who just wants to observe some people run

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.520
<v Speaker 2>into the water, that's not a perf like perfs, that's

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 2>fuck you do.

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 3>You know what we completely missed and I only thought

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 3>about now is that how funny it is that they're

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 3>completely naked except for this swim cap. That's funny. That

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 3>is a funny vision.

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 4>That's like when I went to the strippers and they

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.800
<v Speaker 4>were naked except for the kneecaps and the shoes.

0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.880
<v Speaker 2>All Right, what was because like Keisha's taken our response

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to this because it was conflicting, and also the response

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:48.879
<v Speaker 2>that we've received from the person who wrote it in

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 2>says that we gave two different approaches.

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 3>So have a listen to this.

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Nah, you're not a nashole, Like I mean, if you

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:56.359
<v Speaker 2>want to go for a Newdi swim because you think

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 2>it's liberating, you don't have to ask for your partner's permission.

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>You're not doing anything wrong in that case, Like I mean.

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 3>It depends on the circumstance you will have to like deal.

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you're going for a newdi swim

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 2>with some random Diugia met at a nightclub.

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Bond dibet shouldn't mean at midnight.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure, But if it's like an organized event, there's like

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 2>seventy year old women out there doing it, I don't

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think he's sexualizing an event that's not

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a sexual event.

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>That's like a hymn problem.

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 2>But I also think if you can explain to him

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the reasons why you want to do it, maybe you

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 2>think it's liberating whatever it is, like it's something that

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 2>like puts outside your comfort zone that you.

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Want to be involved in.

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 2>But his version of it, like what he has presumed

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>is in his head, seems to be a bit of

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.160
<v Speaker 2>a twisted kind of reality based on what it actually is.

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:42.759
<v Speaker 3>I yeah, I'm in two minds about it because I

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 3>agree with everything that you just said, Laura, absolutely, But

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.439
<v Speaker 3>I've always said that it is something where you need

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 3>to take partner's feelings into consideration. Now, that doesn't mean

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 3>you have to do what they say. But it means

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.160
<v Speaker 3>you need to have a conversation where you say, hey,

0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 3>I totally understand what you're saying, why it makes you uncomfortable,

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:02.080
<v Speaker 3>but this is why it's important to me, or this

0:48:02.120 --> 0:48:03.439
<v Speaker 3>is why I want to do it, Like I think

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 3>it's the conversation. I do think it's important. Like if

0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Ben came to me and said he wanted to go

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 3>and do something nude, I would say, Okay, cool, what

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 3>is it? Why do you want to do it? And

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.839
<v Speaker 3>in all honesty, of course, this isn't a perverted event.

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.879
<v Speaker 3>It's an event that everyone does every year. Having said that,

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.839
<v Speaker 3>if I was a pervert, I would be looking up

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:23.760
<v Speaker 3>these events and that's where i'd go. If I wanted

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 3>to be a PERV, I would go to a nude event.

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'd do. So I don't want to say

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.239
<v Speaker 3>there's not going to be a PERV there. Maybe there is,

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 3>like it checks out, but obviously that's not what the

0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:35.840
<v Speaker 3>event is. I don't imagine there's going to be that

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 3>many people lingering around nude having a cup of tea after.

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to be so quick you'd barely

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 3>see it. Robes are off, you're freezing, you run into

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 3>the water, you're underwater, you run out, you put your

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 3>robe on. I think, go for it, but you do

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 3>have to take your part inner feelings at least into

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 3>consideration a little bit. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I question. I think the PERF to normal

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<v Speaker 2>people ratio is going to be pretty slim.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. The ratio is going to be there's more

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<v Speaker 3>pervs just out of the beach anyway. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>PERV laws, you're gonna go to the neud events, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna look up NEWD events. Everyone in the room

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<v Speaker 3>knows it's true. Everyone in the room does not know

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<v Speaker 3>it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're true, if you're a PERV, you're not just

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to a Noodie run. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere that's way more perve. If you're a PERF, stop

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<v Speaker 2>being a PERV.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Actually that's the message in here. Yeah, don't listen

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<v Speaker 3>to this podcast. All right, Well look this was the reply.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for answering my question. You are

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<v Speaker 3>so welcome. It made me laugh hearing the girls.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree with everything Laura said, Yet Britt has

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<v Speaker 2>given me more empathy to understand his thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Loved both of your responses. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't actually know if she did it. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think the swim's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the swim hasn't happened. She hasn't done it. I

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<v Speaker 2>still think you should go and do it. It's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>just go.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy it. I think she is going to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and she just is gonna have empathy in chat to

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<v Speaker 3>the partner. I think this is the best possible outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely completely agree. And you know what, On that note,

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<v Speaker 2>that is all the aftermaths we have for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're about to say.

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<v Speaker 2>On that note, swim, I told you if you're watching

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<v Speaker 2>this on YouTube, Brits naked, because this is going on

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<v Speaker 2>our only fans.

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<v Speaker 3>This is how we start kick starting the channel. Is

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<v Speaker 3>the only way we can get people to watch the YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>I say Britney's naked.

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<v Speaker 5>That would violate community standards.

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<v Speaker 3>Just no, we do have some more aftermaths too. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to do another one shortly, so keep them coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>When we say shortly, we don't mean in two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half years, which is what happened to the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>We said we'll start doing them more regularly and then

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<v Speaker 2>it's been a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but as you said at the start, takes two

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<v Speaker 3>to ten go. We do have Sherry on the case.

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<v Speaker 3>She is getting the aftermaths, but we have a few

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<v Speaker 3>more that we will add. We need a few more

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<v Speaker 3>to come in, but there We're going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>do them more frequently as opposed to once every two years.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, I know I said at the start, but

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to reiterate it because it is like

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<v Speaker 2>it is genuinely the biggest privilege. We have done this

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<v Speaker 2>since day Dot Askuna Cut has always been such a

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<v Speaker 2>core of what life on Cut stands for and what

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<v Speaker 2>it is that we get to create. And we are

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<v Speaker 2>so grateful for everyone who writes in their questions, who

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 2>shares with us and insight into the hardships that they're

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<v Speaker 2>going through. Thank you for listening to advice, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for telling us when you don't agree with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being a part.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this, because this is as much as it's a

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<v Speaker 2>two way street to get the aftermaths, it's a two

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 2>way street being brought in on these conversations in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's an incredible privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>But for anybody who has a question, that you want

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<v Speaker 2>to slide into the DMS at Life on Cut Podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to do it anonymously, join Life on

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Cut discussion group as well. Yeah, we are so so

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<v Speaker 2>lucky to have this and.

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<v Speaker 3>We love Lie.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just going to say also if you haven't aftermath,

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<v Speaker 4>but maybe you haven't wanted to write it in because

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you thought it wasn't a good follow up.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, like, we still want to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>That as well.

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<v Speaker 5>We want to hear how you're going. And I genuinely care.

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<v Speaker 3>And again off the.

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<v Speaker 4>Back of what you said Lea about it being a

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<v Speaker 4>real privilege being a part of you know, this podcast

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<v Speaker 4>for the past For me four and a half years

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that, it has made me such a

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<v Speaker 4>more understanding. I feel like I'm a genuinely a more

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 4>empathetic and more well rounded person by hearing about your experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say I desperate Desperate will send you a

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 2>message with send you a little cheeky DN for the

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 2>aftermath of the woman who found her father in law

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>sniffing her dildo. I'm sorry, but I must know. I

0:52:12.040 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 2>don't sleep at night. I need to know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have Christmas together? Do you sit around the

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<v Speaker 2>dinner table and pretend like it didn't happen anyway, Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it from us.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, don't forget tomorrow. Tune in. Oh my God, ready

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<v Speaker 3>got mad. Brittany myself got married. We're gonna talk all

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<v Speaker 3>about it. It is very exciting. I imagine it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine it's very exciting. I am so thrilled for

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<v Speaker 3>your future wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so excited. But yeah, if you maybe, if

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<v Speaker 3>you have specific questions, you can send them in. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure we're going to cover it all. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what's going to go down, but I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be lots of amazing things to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to see you tomorrow morning. Bright Nelly, come missus.

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<v Speaker 3>Secrets and you know the dress, Say munty Dad tea,

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<v Speaker 3>Doug tea, friends and share the law because we're love.

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<v Speaker 3>Rapababa kababa