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Speaker 1: the Daily OS. Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the fourteenth of July. I'm Sam Kazlowski.

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Speaker 1: I'm Billy fitz Simon's.

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Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Negnio, who has nominated US President

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Speaker 2: Pakistan's government also nominated him in June, making it Trump's

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Speaker 2: second nomination in six months. But what actually is a

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Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize? And how do we get one? Today

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Speaker 2: we're going to have a look at what these nominations

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Speaker 2: mean and why Trump has been pursuing this prize so

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Speaker 2: carefully since his first term in office.

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Speaker 1: Soam I like how you said how do we get one?

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Speaker 1: As though it's something that we could do.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't think we should be closing ourselves off

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Speaker 1: But I'm also not sure that we should set that

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Speaker 2: I've settled some arguments in the office, and I think

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Speaker 2: that some of those have been so explosive that it's

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Speaker 2: worth the Peace Prize.

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Speaker 1: Okay, moving on from what I would argue is actually

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Speaker 1: quite small office arguments, but I guess that is subjective.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the specifics of these nominations, do

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Speaker 1: you want to explain what actually is a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 2: So it's essentially a group of prizes run by a committee,

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Speaker 2: and the committee is named after Alfred Nobel, who was

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Speaker 2: an inventor, who was the inventor of dynamite, amongst other things,

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Speaker 2: and the committee awards an annual group of prizes for

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Speaker 2: achievements in economics, physics, chemistry, medicine, literature, and peace, which

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Speaker 2: we're talking about today.

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Speaker 1: So peace. The Nobel Peace Prize is just one of

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Speaker 2: And what you'll notice from that list is that most

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Speaker 2: it's awarded to one person or group a year and

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Speaker 2: there's five areas that they look at and if you've

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Speaker 2: made progress in one of the five, then you're eligible

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Speaker 2: of weapons and disarmament, the second is peace negotiations, the

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Speaker 2: And if you have made progress in one of them,

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Speaker 2: get to that in a sec you're in the running

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Speaker 2: for one of the most prestigious prizes on the planet.

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Speaker 1: I feel like progress is an understatement, like if you're

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Speaker 2: It's not easy. You have to be the headline. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And that's why there's you know, for a global prize.

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Speaker 2: There's not that many nominations every year, a couple of

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Speaker 1: And so we're talking about it today because US President

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Speaker 1: I'm interested. Is there precedent for US presidents being nominated

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Speaker 2: So there's been four US presidents that have been awarded

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Speaker 1: Why did he get it?

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Speaker 1: And who nominates you or how does someone get nominated?

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Speaker 2: So it's quite broad. Any university professor can nominate somebody

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Speaker 2: So there's a fifty year gap. We don't get any

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Speaker 1: So that means that this year we should be finding

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Speaker 1: The nominations aren't always released, but we're kind of, I guess,

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Speaker 2: to the Norwegian Nobel Committee. The Israeli leader said Trump

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Speaker 2: the context of the nomination was that Nanyahu basically said

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Speaker 2: Well, firstly, I think it's really interesting that we know

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Speaker 2: And to understand the significance of the prize to President Trump,

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Speaker 2: That we know of. True. So he was nominated in

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Speaker 1: And again I presume we know about that because whoever

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that he's almost campaigning to get this Nobel

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Speaker 2: It's not normal, And I think the private nomination and

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Speaker 2: It's also unusual that President Trump has criticized past winners

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Speaker 2: months into his presidency in twenty nineteen. Trump criticized Obama,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right here whether.

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