WEBVTT - The Expensive Pyjama Drama 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.040 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.680 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.360 Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Olivia White 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.799 jumps to Mattzakowski's defense, Sophie Jane Miller shocks her followers, 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.439 and why Anna Paul got her lip filler dissolved. But first, 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.200 Lily Brown has revealed her pajama business chill almost sent 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.080 her bankrupt. The OG influencer was forced to borrow money 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.360 from her dad and boyfriend Jet Kenny after taking bad 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.280 business advice from a family member. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.199 Oh this was so juicy. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.800 So she was interviewed on an influencer podcast, and I 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.000 think she has been dropping clues along the way that 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.199 she has found business really challenging. She's opened up in 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.520 the past about how being an influencer was a lot 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.680 easier than starting a business, but I don't think we 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:51.320 knew how. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.680 Dire it actually was. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.440 So Lily shared that she went from being financially comfortable 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.040 to almost losing it all. Let's throw to what Lily 0:00:59.120 --> 0:00:59.640 had to say. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.320 I just feel like I've my mindset kind of switched 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.960 from being financially comfortable for a while, I would say, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.240 and then obviously investing all of the money into chill 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.600 that I had made, and then going from feeling like 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.760 that was going super well to then I invested all 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.400 of the money in the business account into a specific 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.759 collection as per the advice that I was given, and 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.200 the collection rocked up in the complete wrong fabric and 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.720 the complete wrong colors, and it was a summer collection 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.360 that I ended up having to launch in winter. And 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.200 the whole thing cost me about one hundred and ten 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:34.880 thousand dollars. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.040 That is a lot of money to lose one hundred 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.280 and ten thousand dollars. It is interesting to know how 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.720 much influencers are actually putting into these collections. Can you 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.080 imagine having the wrong pajamas arrived knowing that you were 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.320 about to go to launch. This is a nightmare for her, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.520 particularly because she took advice from a family member, so 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.320 she didn't actually say who it was. I'm guessing it 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.440 was an uncle because she said that they are the 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.080 only family that they have in Ueensland, and she referred 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.639 to them as being a male and now her parents 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.279 aren't talking to them, so it's very messy. Doesn't everyone 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.440 say that you should never work with family. We clearly 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:10.680 haven't listened to that one. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:11.000 Well. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.639 After that launch, Lily was forced to move out of 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.120 her home because she couldn't actually afford to pay her 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.960 rent any longer. She said that she ended up selling 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.000 a bunch of her stuff just to get cash to 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.320 pay for removal us and after she sold all her stuff, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.280 her hair was falling out. She couldn't sleep, she broke 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.600 out in hives. It had a really big impact on 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.360 her well. She also said that she had to change 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.520 managers because her manager at the time wasn't earning her 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.520 enough money. And she spoke about how she had to 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.640 put this facade online because she said, you can't really 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.640 talk about your business struggles when you're the face of 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.440 a brand. Let's have a listen to what she said. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:52.560 Yeah, it was just like this icky, sad, stressful situation. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:56.160 But of course, like I'm still my own personal brand, 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:01.079 so on Instagram, you can't pretend that everything's fine, can you. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.040 Everyone's still expecting you to show up every day like 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.760 hey guys, everything's all good and sweet and like there's 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.800 nothing wrong. But yeah, it was fucking dire, like really 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:10.720 really stressful. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:12.080 My hair was falling out. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.919 I found that really interesting because a lot of people 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.400 talk about how it's really important for influencers to be transparent, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.440 but when your business is so closely linked to your 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.000 personal brand, it would be so tricky. And it does 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.800 make a lot of sense because last year we spoke 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.400 about how Lily's brand Chill launched these pajamas and they 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.840 ended up smelling, and she was very defensive at the time, 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.800 and I have a bit more empathy for her now 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.960 because who knew that all of this was going on 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.200 in the background. It's a hard one, isn't it, Because 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.840 when you're trying to build confidence in a small brand, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.080 you hardly want to say to your potential consumers, oh, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.480 we've just lost one hundred and ten K, because you'd 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.920 be thinking, well, am I actually gonna get pajamas if 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.320 I go and buy them? So I can see why 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.600 Lily kept this a secret. But it's great she's talking 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.720 about it now because it makes her. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:03:59.760 A lot more likable. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.040 I think the fact that she's been able to turn 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.120 her business around as well. It's obviously doing a lot better, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.320 which is probably why she's felt comfortable to share. Yeah, 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.160 she did say that her business was on the up 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:11.880 I also think it's a bit of a warning for 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.880 other influencers because a lot of people. I mean, it 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.680 was on Madison Woollie's podcast and she has also started 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.640 her own business, and I could see her nodding her 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.480 head in agreeance, because a lot of people just assume 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.359 when you've got a built in audience that you're going 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.960 to be very successful and your products are just going 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.440 to sell. But the fact that she only sold one 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.279 piece of clothing after a launch night is absolutely crazy. Yeah, 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.400 I couldn't believe that because most of the time influencers 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.840 like to put this rhetoric out there, we've sold out 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.120 on everything, and you just think that anytime an influencer 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.400 puts their name to a product, oh well, they're going 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.200 to do well, it's going to sell out. But we've 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:50.040 spoken about this before. Often influencers will only put out 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.640 a small sample of clothing and they'll test out the market, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.479 and then they'll make this big song and dance that 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.520 they've sold out, when an actual fact, maybe they've only 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.600 sold one hundred products, and then they'll do a pre 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.880 order and actually find out how many people really want 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.159 the product. Another interesting thing Lily touched upon in that 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.120 interview was the fact that she's moved into Jet Kenny's 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.000 dad's house, So we did speak about that a couple 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.680 of months ago. She confirmed that she's not paying any 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.400 rent and basically all she has to do is cook 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.960 Jet and his dad food. That sounds like a pretty 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.440 good deal to me, especially in the current climate where 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.960 rent is just ridiculous. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:23.200 Yeah. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.120 Well, she also said recently that Jet's friend and partner 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.159 moved in, and she's like, that's cool. We have one 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:29.760 wing of the house, and I mean, this is an 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.440 absolute mansion that they're living in. Do you think one 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.479 of the reasons why she didn't share about her financial 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.680 struggles initially was because being an OG influencer sometimes they 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.160 have to put across this facade that they're rich, and 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.440 that's one of the reasons why people like to follow them, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.160 because their content is aspirational. Do you think she thought, fuck, no, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.760 one's going to want to follow me if I'm some 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.960 broke influencer on the Gold Coast. It's ironic because a 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.080 lot of the OG influencers do seem broke. It seems 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.320 like they made a lot of money at the time 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.200 and now they're having to revert to normal jobs. I mean, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.679 look at Michael Finch. He's back on the up because 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.440 he's got a lot of TikTok followers now to do 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.000 two million followers. Yeah, but he looks like he lives 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.000 a pretty normal life, Like he's not flashing the cash anymore, 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.520 he's not buying designer items, and he's probably doing better 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:16.760 than he was back then. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:17.360 Yeah. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.080 I found it really interesting that Lily said that she 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.560 spent all the money that she had earned on her 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.920 influencing career and put it into this business, and then 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:26.680 she put that figure of one hundred and ten k 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.479 out there, Because does that mean that that's all she 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.760 had saved up? Well, I think there's a lot of 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.160 influencers out there who you assumer earning these big bucks, 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.479 but actually I think they're more likely earning minimum wage. Yeah, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.560 but I think she would have been earning big bucks. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.760 I'm not saying that one hundred and ten thousand dollars 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.680 is not a lot of money, but I would have 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.919 thought the paychecks that were coming in she would have 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.719 saved a lot more. I think that maybe she was 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.360 spending a lot of money at the time. I think 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.000 about her in the twenty seventeens, at the height of 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.800 Lily Brown and Michael Finch and Chiny Grubin's fame, they 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.480 were all buying like Balenciaga clothing, yeah, bags, And I 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.520 don't think a lot of them thought about the future. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.800 They probably just thought, Wow, this money is going to 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.960 continue throughout our careers. And it seems to have really 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.520 dried up for a lot of influencers. Yeah, and the 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.120 market is so saturated now that they're having to compete 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.240 with people that really take content creation to the next level. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.760 They're creating ten TikTok videos a day. Well, I saw 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.040 some crazy figure. It was something like there are twelve 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.800 million influences in America right now. She so just shows 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.120 you how oversaturated. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.080 This market is. Well, they're keeping our podcast in business. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.720 And goodness, this is what I look like naturally. Anna 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.280 Paul is the latest influencer to reverse her cosmetic enhancements 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.960 the only fans. Start announced to her seven point two 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.240 million followers that she's reverting back to her natural appearance. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.200 This video has gone off on TikTok. It's already had 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.760 four point six million views. And in the video you 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.680 see Anna getting her lips dissolved and she also box 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.200 eyed her hair back to its natural brown. I was 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.480 surprised that she used a box style. I've seen her 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.360 do it before her TikTok, and all I could think 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.200 about was Sam Mangan, who actually is her business partner, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.400 going on about Karen's box dyeing their hair. It did 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.040 look really nice, it was. It probably influenced a lot 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:11.960 of people to try the box dies out, but that 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.160 was not the point of the video. I want to 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.960 throw to a grab of Anna's reaction after she got 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:18.480 her lip filler dissolved. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:20.160 This is what I looked like when I was fourteen, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.640 Like the smile. I can't believe I didn't do this earlier. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:23.640 I feel so good. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:25.960 I looked at myself in the mirror sometimes and I 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:26.960 thought something's off. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.400 It's because I altered my face, obviously. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:34.520 I could not get over the transformation. She looks absolutely incredible. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.120 She looks so much younger, for one thing, and really fresh. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.680 I think you forget that Anna Paul's only twenty five, 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.360 because she's already had so much success in her career. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.240 But now with the lip filler dissolved, she looks twenty five, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.280 and I think that was a big motivator because in 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.600 this TikTok. She did a throwback to what she used 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.360 to look like at nineteen and twenty. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.040 I could not believe it. Her lips were so large. 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.000 It was very that duck pout, so her lips had 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.640 I've been getting smaller over time, But don't you think. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:03.760 We're seeing more of that now? 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.720 Like obviously a few years ago, Molly May started the 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.199 trend by dissolving her lips. I feel like a lot 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.439 of influencers are thinking, now it's almost embarrassing to have 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.160 those really big duck lips, because it seems like a 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.440 trend that was very twenty seventeen and now very much 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.800 people want to be natural. And if you think about it, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.319 a lot of those influences have hit mid twenties, and 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.240 when you're younger, it's all about looking older, but when 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.280 you start to approach your thirties, it's all about reversing 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.640 time and looking younger. So can I just point out 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:33.840 twenty five is so young? 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:34.439 It is? 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.920 It definitely is, But a lot of these influencers are 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.760 looking a lot older because of the cosmetic enhancements that 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.960 they've had, and I think they suddenly realize that now. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.600 I don't think it is a coincidence that a lot 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.120 of influencers get cosmetic procedures in the first place because 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.440 they're always looking at themselves. It's kind of like when 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.280 you're go on holiday and you're not used to seeing 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.520 lots of photos of yourself, and you're like, is that 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:57.040 what I look like? 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:57.559 Yea, were not. 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.160 Only I mean they're filming themselves, They're having to edit themselves. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.040 It would be absolutely hideous to stare at a photo 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.359 of yourself. Even for example, when I worked as a journalist, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.720 having to hear your voice back every day, you suddenly 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.560 start to pick these faults, you like, do I actually 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.360 sound like? And now that podcast filming is a thing, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.040 like we are always picking ourselves apart on there. So 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.600 I totally get it in saying that. I was so 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.480 surprised the other day when I flipped on YouTube and 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.640 my favorite YouTuber Sophie Jane Miller revealed that she got 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.520 rhino pasty. So this surgery has completely come out of nowhere. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.840 She went mia on social media for a couple of weeks, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.600 which isn't unusual sometimes she's not so regular in posting videos, 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.800 and then she returned with this vlog entitled I Got 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.439 a nose job. Yeah, I was shocked as well, because, 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.360 if I'm being honest, it was because I'd never noticed 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.160 any kind of issue with Sophie's nose. She's a very 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:54.160 conventionally good looking girl. Yeah, and Sophie later revealed in 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.599 this vlog that she had gone to these great lengths 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.920 not to show herself from certain angles because she didn't 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.839 like the way her nose looked. It makes me want 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.240 to look back at the videos because I actually was 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.520 scrolling through her Instagram the other night being like, I 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:13.040 am so shocked. And again, it is absolutely her decision 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.520 whether she wants to have plastic surgery. She is entitled 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:17.560 to make that decision. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.599 I wholeheartedly agree. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.080 With that it's her body, her choice, But I can't 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.199 deny that I felt sad because the fact that she 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.920 thought that she needed to change something on her face. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.320 And I was thinking about the people that follow her 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.800 and probably were also shocked by this announcement. And I 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.000 think we can all agree that, yes, it's her decision, 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.200 but also feel sad about it because this is a 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:41.520 major surgery for someone to have. Yeah, And I think 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.480 it ties into what you were saying before about how 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.200 much of that came down to watching herself back and 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.280 picking herself apart because her job is being a content creator, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.960 or how much of it came from people picking her 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.920 apart in comments about something that wasn't an issue. I mean, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.400 her nose looks incredible now after the surgery. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.160 It looked incredible before. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.240 And she has got a lot of praise for actually 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.800 sharing her surgery online. A lot of people have said, Oh, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.520 I'm glad that you were transparent about it. I mean, 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.320 I think it would have been pretty obvious if she 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.400 had come back from a two week break and suddenly 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.640 her nose was looking slightly different. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:17.080 Yeah. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.520 Well, she was very open in the comment section. So 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.679 she did reply to someone saying that they weren't sure 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.200 about how they felt about her sharing the experience, and 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.240 she said that it was a catch twenty two for her. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.560 She wrote, half of me didn't want to promote it 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.040 at all, but the other half wanted to be completely honest, 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.520 and I never wanted to lie slash not say that 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.120 I had it done. I tend to agree with her, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.040 and I don't know how I feel about all of 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.640 this because recently Indy Clinton got slammed because she went 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.319 offline for a couple of weeks she said she was 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.280 taking a break and she came back with a breast augmentation, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:49.839 and she was forced to come out and say, yes, 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.120 I did get a boob job, but I didn't really 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.480 want to promote it. And it was an interesting decision 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.440 for her because that would have been great content for 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:57.920 her TikTok that would have gone off. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:12:59.280 It would have got lots of views. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.080 Well, I Respectdy for not sharing it, but I also 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.079 respect Sophie for sharing her journey because people might say, oh, 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.840 but she's promoting it. I watched the volog and I thought, fuck, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.160 I couldn't think of anything worse than getting a nose job, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.880 because she went through the realities of the recovery process, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.800 and she even spoke about when she got the bandages off, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.160 and she said, at first I thought, oh my god, 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.440 what have I done. I don't like my nose. And 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.079 I think that would make a lot of people who 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.920 were considering getting the surgery think twice and think, well, 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:28.920 do I really want to go. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:29.679 Through all of that? 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:30.200 Yeah. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.840 I suppose it depends how an influencer actually documents their journey. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.640 I think you can tell when an influencer has got 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.400 the procedure for free, and everything's glossed over. I do 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.000 think that there is a difference between being transparent and 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.560 actually promoting the surgery. So I do like it when 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.839 influencers come out and say, oh, yes, I've had X, Y, 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.360 and Z done, But I still am on the fence 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.640 about actually documenting the process because I do think even 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.840 if you do share the bad side of it, it 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.960 does come across as promotional. But INSIGHT's instant because it 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.240 was quite a shock to people because she'd never spoken 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.760 about her nose being insecurity. I feel like she almost 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.840 had to put that content out there kind of as 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.000 an explanation. Like if she had just popped up on 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.480 her channel saying, oh, and I've got a nose job, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:15.640 but I don't want to speak about it. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:16.920 Everyone be like what the fuck? 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.800 Like, Yeah, it does depend on the relationship you have 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.160 with your audience, I suppose. I mean that sort of 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.320 content is just so prevalent now on TikTok, particularly in 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.040 the space of breast implants, like there are so many 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:33.160 influences documenting their procedures, and again you have the other 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.440 side of it, where there's so many people getting explant 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.640 surgeries and documenting that. So, I honestly don't know how 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.880 I feel about it. I think it depends on each 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.600 individual case and how the influencer. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:43.800 Deals with it. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.360 But do you think it's a bit different as well, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.800 Because with a breast augmentation, if you're not sharing, say, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.040 bikini photos of yourself, not everyone's gonna instantly notice that 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:54.560 you've had it done. But if you go off and 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.520 have a nose job or something that's a very prominent 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.800 feature on your face, people are gonna be asking questions 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.040 about it. Yeah, you're not as easy to cover up. No, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.360 you can't really hide it, can you. I mean, back 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.240 in the day celebrities would be like, oh, yes, I 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.480 always had an injury to my nose that I just 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:11.560 needed to keep fixed. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.600 His worth crime is just that he's a bit boring, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:18.360 which is not illegal. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.760 Lifestyle influencer Olivia White has defended Matt Szakowski's behavior on 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.160 a recent influencer trip. The thirty five year old influencer 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.120 stepped in after her vision from the event was used 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.600 to build what she says was a false narrative. Now, Amy, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.720 before we dive into it, can you bring us up 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.520 to speed. Yeah, so we spoke about this. On Tuesday, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.320 some photos emerged of Matt Zakowski out and about on 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.080 an influencer trip, and he was seeing canoodling with a 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:46.040 brunette woman and. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.080 Also a blonde woman. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.000 I love the word canoodling. Yeah, a lot of people 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.360 put two and two together and came up with five. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:52.760 Really. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.000 I mean, I thought it was blown majorly out of proportion. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.960 But I suppose he's just been so shady in the 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.400 past that everyone came to a conclusion that he must 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:01.880 be cheating. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:02.200 Yeah. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.120 So basically these images popped up on Reddit and then 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.680 the Daily Mail ran with the headline it or something 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.160 like Matt Skakowski seen chatting up brunette woman in pub. 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.600 But these women were part of an influencer trip that 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.400 Matt was on. I do want to point out we 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.280 have only identified two of the women. So I had 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.240 a bit of an argument off air with Sophie because 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.280 I said, you guys, name two of the influencers that 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.920 were on the trip, but the main one in question 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.480 from having a stalk, I believe she was a friend 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.720 of Amy Petriviv. I don't think she was actually a 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.360 part of the trip. I think she must have met 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.040 up with him at the bar. But let's be honest, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.920 the facial expression that she was pulling did not say 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.480 that she was interested in that. She looked like she 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.240 was rolling her eyes. She also had her arms crossed 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.240 against her chest. So this influencer trip was for a 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.640 private jet company called flight Club I did love. On 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.760 Matt's post, the number one comment was did Tammy pay 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.080 for this? Because he didn't actually disclose the partnership properly 0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:58.840 well to make that as worse. While all of this 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.840 was unfolding, tam was in Greece for her retreat that 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.720 she's running. Oh I kept seeing photos pop up of 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.000 her in bikinis and she got absolutely roasted in the 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.760 comments because one of the photos showed off her new 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.359 breast implants and people were like, I can see nipple 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.840 and they're being just so awful. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:16.640 Yes, people are very harsh. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:20.960 Now, on Tuesday, we discussed some very bizarre looking footage 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.320 that ended up on an influencer Snark page. And so 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.560 now we're quite confused by the vision because it looked 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.520 like CCTV vision. But it turns out that this vision 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.320 was actually filmed by influencer Olivia White. So Olivia has 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.879 weighed into this drama. She told her followers that she 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.800 was invited on this trip and she actually set up 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.040 a time lapse to capture the social darts element of 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.320 this event. And the reason the vision looked weird is 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.840 because the time lapse was drastically zoomed in. Let's have 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.560