Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Olivia White
Speaker 1: jumps to Mattzakowski's defense, Sophie Jane Miller shocks her followers,
Speaker 1: and why Anna Paul got her lip filler dissolved. But first,
Speaker 1: Lily Brown has revealed her pajama business chill almost sent
Speaker 1: her bankrupt. The OG influencer was forced to borrow money
Speaker 1: from her dad and boyfriend Jet Kenny after taking bad
Speaker 1: business advice from a family member.
Speaker 2: Oh this was so juicy.
Speaker 1: So she was interviewed on an influencer podcast, and I
Speaker 1: think she has been dropping clues along the way that
Speaker 1: she has found business really challenging. She's opened up in
Speaker 1: the past about how being an influencer was a lot
Speaker 1: easier than starting a business, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: knew how.
Speaker 2: Dire it actually was.
Speaker 1: So Lily shared that she went from being financially comfortable
Speaker 1: to almost losing it all. Let's throw to what Lily
Speaker 1: had to say.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I've my mindset kind of switched
Speaker 3: from being financially comfortable for a while, I would say,
Speaker 3: and then obviously investing all of the money into chill
Speaker 3: that I had made, and then going from feeling like
Speaker 3: that was going super well to then I invested all
Speaker 3: of the money in the business account into a specific
Speaker 3: collection as per the advice that I was given, and
Speaker 3: the collection rocked up in the complete wrong fabric and
Speaker 3: the complete wrong colors, and it was a summer collection
Speaker 3: that I ended up having to launch in winter. And
Speaker 3: the whole thing cost me about one hundred and ten
Speaker 3: thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: That is a lot of money to lose one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten thousand dollars. It is interesting to know how
Speaker 1: much influencers are actually putting into these collections. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine having the wrong pajamas arrived knowing that you were
Speaker 1: about to go to launch. This is a nightmare for her,
Speaker 1: particularly because she took advice from a family member, so
Speaker 1: she didn't actually say who it was. I'm guessing it
Speaker 1: was an uncle because she said that they are the
Speaker 1: only family that they have in Ueensland, and she referred
Speaker 1: to them as being a male and now her parents
Speaker 1: aren't talking to them, so it's very messy. Doesn't everyone
Speaker 1: say that you should never work with family. We clearly
Speaker 1: haven't listened to that one.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: After that launch, Lily was forced to move out of
Speaker 1: her home because she couldn't actually afford to pay her
Speaker 1: rent any longer. She said that she ended up selling
Speaker 1: a bunch of her stuff just to get cash to
Speaker 1: pay for removal us and after she sold all her stuff,
Speaker 1: her hair was falling out. She couldn't sleep, she broke
Speaker 1: out in hives. It had a really big impact on
Speaker 1: her well. She also said that she had to change
Speaker 1: managers because her manager at the time wasn't earning her
Speaker 1: enough money. And she spoke about how she had to
Speaker 1: put this facade online because she said, you can't really
Speaker 1: talk about your business struggles when you're the face of
Speaker 1: a brand. Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like this icky, sad, stressful situation.
Speaker 3: But of course, like I'm still my own personal brand,
Speaker 3: so on Instagram, you can't pretend that everything's fine, can you.
Speaker 3: Everyone's still expecting you to show up every day like
Speaker 3: hey guys, everything's all good and sweet and like there's
Speaker 3: nothing wrong. But yeah, it was fucking dire, like really
Speaker 3: really stressful.
Speaker 2: My hair was falling out.
Speaker 1: I found that really interesting because a lot of people
Speaker 1: talk about how it's really important for influencers to be transparent,
Speaker 1: but when your business is so closely linked to your
Speaker 1: personal brand, it would be so tricky. And it does
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense because last year we spoke
Speaker 1: about how Lily's brand Chill launched these pajamas and they
Speaker 1: ended up smelling, and she was very defensive at the time,
Speaker 1: and I have a bit more empathy for her now
Speaker 1: because who knew that all of this was going on
Speaker 1: in the background. It's a hard one, isn't it, Because
Speaker 1: when you're trying to build confidence in a small brand,
Speaker 1: you hardly want to say to your potential consumers, oh,
Speaker 1: we've just lost one hundred and ten K, because you'd
Speaker 1: be thinking, well, am I actually gonna get pajamas if
Speaker 1: I go and buy them? So I can see why
Speaker 1: Lily kept this a secret. But it's great she's talking
Speaker 1: about it now because it makes her.
Speaker 2: A lot more likable.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that she's been able to turn
Speaker 1: her business around as well. It's obviously doing a lot better,
Speaker 1: which is probably why she's felt comfortable to share. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she did say that her business was on the up
Speaker 1: I also think it's a bit of a warning for
Speaker 1: other influencers because a lot of people. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was on Madison Woollie's podcast and she has also started
Speaker 1: her own business, and I could see her nodding her
Speaker 1: head in agreeance, because a lot of people just assume
Speaker 1: when you've got a built in audience that you're going
Speaker 1: to be very successful and your products are just going
Speaker 1: to sell. But the fact that she only sold one
Speaker 1: piece of clothing after a launch night is absolutely crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that because most of the time influencers
Speaker 1: like to put this rhetoric out there, we've sold out
Speaker 1: on everything, and you just think that anytime an influencer
Speaker 1: puts their name to a product, oh well, they're going
Speaker 1: to do well, it's going to sell out. But we've
Speaker 1: spoken about this before. Often influencers will only put out
Speaker 1: a small sample of clothing and they'll test out the market,
Speaker 1: and then they'll make this big song and dance that
Speaker 1: they've sold out, when an actual fact, maybe they've only
Speaker 1: sold one hundred products, and then they'll do a pre
Speaker 1: order and actually find out how many people really want
Speaker 1: the product. Another interesting thing Lily touched upon in that
Speaker 1: interview was the fact that she's moved into Jet Kenny's
Speaker 1: dad's house, So we did speak about that a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago. She confirmed that she's not paying any
Speaker 1: rent and basically all she has to do is cook
Speaker 1: Jet and his dad food. That sounds like a pretty
Speaker 1: good deal to me, especially in the current climate where
Speaker 1: rent is just ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, she also said recently that Jet's friend and partner
Speaker 1: moved in, and she's like, that's cool. We have one
Speaker 1: wing of the house, and I mean, this is an
Speaker 1: absolute mansion that they're living in. Do you think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why she didn't share about her financial
Speaker 1: struggles initially was because being an OG influencer sometimes they
Speaker 1: have to put across this facade that they're rich, and
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why people like to follow them,
Speaker 1: because their content is aspirational. Do you think she thought, fuck, no,
Speaker 1: one's going to want to follow me if I'm some
Speaker 1: broke influencer on the Gold Coast. It's ironic because a
Speaker 1: lot of the OG influencers do seem broke. It seems
Speaker 1: like they made a lot of money at the time
Speaker 1: and now they're having to revert to normal jobs. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at Michael Finch. He's back on the up because
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of TikTok followers now to do
Speaker 1: two million followers. Yeah, but he looks like he lives
Speaker 1: a pretty normal life, Like he's not flashing the cash anymore,
Speaker 1: he's not buying designer items, and he's probably doing better
Speaker 1: than he was back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I found it really interesting that Lily said that she
Speaker 1: spent all the money that she had earned on her
Speaker 1: influencing career and put it into this business, and then
Speaker 1: she put that figure of one hundred and ten k
Speaker 1: out there, Because does that mean that that's all she
Speaker 1: had saved up? Well, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: influencers out there who you assumer earning these big bucks,
Speaker 1: but actually I think they're more likely earning minimum wage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think she would have been earning big bucks.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that one hundred and ten thousand dollars
Speaker 1: is not a lot of money, but I would have
Speaker 1: thought the paychecks that were coming in she would have
Speaker 1: saved a lot more. I think that maybe she was
Speaker 1: spending a lot of money at the time. I think
Speaker 1: about her in the twenty seventeens, at the height of
Speaker 1: Lily Brown and Michael Finch and Chiny Grubin's fame, they
Speaker 1: were all buying like Balenciaga clothing, yeah, bags, And I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of them thought about the future.
Speaker 1: They probably just thought, Wow, this money is going to
Speaker 1: continue throughout our careers. And it seems to have really
Speaker 1: dried up for a lot of influencers. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: market is so saturated now that they're having to compete
Speaker 1: with people that really take content creation to the next level.
Speaker 1: They're creating ten TikTok videos a day. Well, I saw
Speaker 1: some crazy figure. It was something like there are twelve
Speaker 1: million influences in America right now. She so just shows
Speaker 1: you how oversaturated.
Speaker 2: This market is. Well, they're keeping our podcast in business.
Speaker 1: And goodness, this is what I look like naturally. Anna
Speaker 1: Paul is the latest influencer to reverse her cosmetic enhancements
Speaker 1: the only fans. Start announced to her seven point two
Speaker 1: million followers that she's reverting back to her natural appearance.
Speaker 1: This video has gone off on TikTok. It's already had
Speaker 1: four point six million views. And in the video you
Speaker 1: see Anna getting her lips dissolved and she also box
Speaker 1: eyed her hair back to its natural brown. I was
Speaker 1: surprised that she used a box style. I've seen her
Speaker 1: do it before her TikTok, and all I could think
Speaker 1: about was Sam Mangan, who actually is her business partner,
Speaker 1: going on about Karen's box dyeing their hair. It did
Speaker 1: look really nice, it was. It probably influenced a lot
Speaker 1: of people to try the box dies out, but that
Speaker 1: was not the point of the video. I want to
Speaker 1: throw to a grab of Anna's reaction after she got
Speaker 1: her lip filler dissolved.
Speaker 2: This is what I looked like when I was fourteen,
Speaker 2: Like the smile. I can't believe I didn't do this earlier.
Speaker 2: I feel so good.
Speaker 1: I looked at myself in the mirror sometimes and I
Speaker 1: thought something's off.
Speaker 2: It's because I altered my face, obviously.
Speaker 1: I could not get over the transformation. She looks absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: She looks so much younger, for one thing, and really fresh.
Speaker 1: I think you forget that Anna Paul's only twenty five,
Speaker 1: because she's already had so much success in her career.
Speaker 1: But now with the lip filler dissolved, she looks twenty five,
Speaker 1: and I think that was a big motivator because in
Speaker 1: this TikTok. She did a throwback to what she used
Speaker 1: to look like at nineteen and twenty.
Speaker 2: I could not believe it. Her lips were so large.
Speaker 1: It was very that duck pout, so her lips had
Speaker 1: I've been getting smaller over time, But don't you think.
Speaker 2: We're seeing more of that now?
Speaker 1: Like obviously a few years ago, Molly May started the
Speaker 1: trend by dissolving her lips. I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of influencers are thinking, now it's almost embarrassing to have
Speaker 1: those really big duck lips, because it seems like a
Speaker 1: trend that was very twenty seventeen and now very much
Speaker 1: people want to be natural. And if you think about it,
Speaker 1: a lot of those influences have hit mid twenties, and
Speaker 1: when you're younger, it's all about looking older, but when
Speaker 1: you start to approach your thirties, it's all about reversing
Speaker 1: time and looking younger. So can I just point out
Speaker 1: twenty five is so young?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 1: It definitely is, But a lot of these influencers are
Speaker 1: looking a lot older because of the cosmetic enhancements that
Speaker 1: they've had, and I think they suddenly realize that now.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is a coincidence that a lot
Speaker 1: of influencers get cosmetic procedures in the first place because
Speaker 1: they're always looking at themselves. It's kind of like when
Speaker 1: you're go on holiday and you're not used to seeing
Speaker 1: lots of photos of yourself, and you're like, is that
Speaker 1: what I look like?
Speaker 2: Yea, were not.
Speaker 1: Only I mean they're filming themselves, They're having to edit themselves.
Speaker 1: It would be absolutely hideous to stare at a photo
Speaker 1: of yourself. Even for example, when I worked as a journalist,
Speaker 1: having to hear your voice back every day, you suddenly
Speaker 1: start to pick these faults, you like, do I actually
Speaker 1: sound like? And now that podcast filming is a thing,
Speaker 1: like we are always picking ourselves apart on there. So
Speaker 1: I totally get it in saying that. I was so
Speaker 1: surprised the other day when I flipped on YouTube and
Speaker 1: my favorite YouTuber Sophie Jane Miller revealed that she got
Speaker 1: rhino pasty. So this surgery has completely come out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: She went mia on social media for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: which isn't unusual sometimes she's not so regular in posting videos,
Speaker 1: and then she returned with this vlog entitled I Got
Speaker 1: a nose job. Yeah, I was shocked as well, because,
Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, it was because I'd never noticed
Speaker 1: any kind of issue with Sophie's nose. She's a very
Speaker 1: conventionally good looking girl. Yeah, and Sophie later revealed in
Speaker 1: this vlog that she had gone to these great lengths
Speaker 1: not to show herself from certain angles because she didn't
Speaker 1: like the way her nose looked. It makes me want
Speaker 1: to look back at the videos because I actually was
Speaker 1: scrolling through her Instagram the other night being like, I
Speaker 1: am so shocked. And again, it is absolutely her decision
Speaker 1: whether she wants to have plastic surgery. She is entitled
Speaker 1: to make that decision.
Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 1: With that it's her body, her choice, But I can't
Speaker 1: deny that I felt sad because the fact that she
Speaker 1: thought that she needed to change something on her face.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the people that follow her
Speaker 1: and probably were also shocked by this announcement. And I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree that, yes, it's her decision,
Speaker 1: but also feel sad about it because this is a
Speaker 1: major surgery for someone to have. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: it ties into what you were saying before about how
Speaker 1: much of that came down to watching herself back and
Speaker 1: picking herself apart because her job is being a content creator,
Speaker 1: or how much of it came from people picking her
Speaker 1: apart in comments about something that wasn't an issue. I mean,
Speaker 1: her nose looks incredible now after the surgery.
Speaker 2: It looked incredible before.
Speaker 1: And she has got a lot of praise for actually
Speaker 1: sharing her surgery online. A lot of people have said, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you were transparent about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it would have been pretty obvious if she
Speaker 1: had come back from a two week break and suddenly
Speaker 1: her nose was looking slightly different.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, she was very open in the comment section. So
Speaker 1: she did reply to someone saying that they weren't sure
Speaker 1: about how they felt about her sharing the experience, and
Speaker 1: she said that it was a catch twenty two for her.
Speaker 1: She wrote, half of me didn't want to promote it
Speaker 1: at all, but the other half wanted to be completely honest,
Speaker 1: and I never wanted to lie slash not say that
Speaker 1: I had it done. I tend to agree with her,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how I feel about all of
Speaker 1: this because recently Indy Clinton got slammed because she went
Speaker 1: offline for a couple of weeks she said she was
Speaker 1: taking a break and she came back with a breast augmentation,
Speaker 1: and she was forced to come out and say, yes,
Speaker 1: I did get a boob job, but I didn't really
Speaker 1: want to promote it. And it was an interesting decision
Speaker 1: for her because that would have been great content for
Speaker 1: her TikTok that would have gone off.
Speaker 2: It would have got lots of views.
Speaker 1: Well, I Respectdy for not sharing it, but I also
Speaker 1: respect Sophie for sharing her journey because people might say, oh,
Speaker 1: but she's promoting it. I watched the volog and I thought, fuck,
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of anything worse than getting a nose job,
Speaker 1: because she went through the realities of the recovery process,
Speaker 1: and she even spoke about when she got the bandages off,
Speaker 1: and she said, at first I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what have I done. I don't like my nose. And
Speaker 1: I think that would make a lot of people who
Speaker 1: were considering getting the surgery think twice and think, well,
Speaker 1: do I really want to go.
Speaker 2: Through all of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I suppose it depends how an influencer actually documents their journey.
Speaker 1: I think you can tell when an influencer has got
Speaker 1: the procedure for free, and everything's glossed over. I do
Speaker 1: think that there is a difference between being transparent and
Speaker 1: actually promoting the surgery. So I do like it when
Speaker 1: influencers come out and say, oh, yes, I've had X, Y,
Speaker 1: and Z done, But I still am on the fence
Speaker 1: about actually documenting the process because I do think even
Speaker 1: if you do share the bad side of it, it
Speaker 1: does come across as promotional. But INSIGHT's instant because it
Speaker 1: was quite a shock to people because she'd never spoken
Speaker 1: about her nose being insecurity. I feel like she almost
Speaker 1: had to put that content out there kind of as
Speaker 1: an explanation. Like if she had just popped up on
Speaker 1: her channel saying, oh, and I've got a nose job,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to speak about it.
Speaker 2: Everyone be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, it does depend on the relationship you have
Speaker 1: with your audience, I suppose. I mean that sort of
Speaker 1: content is just so prevalent now on TikTok, particularly in
Speaker 1: the space of breast implants, like there are so many
Speaker 1: influences documenting their procedures, and again you have the other
Speaker 1: side of it, where there's so many people getting explant
Speaker 1: surgeries and documenting that. So, I honestly don't know how
Speaker 1: I feel about it. I think it depends on each
Speaker 1: individual case and how the influencer.
Speaker 2: Deals with it.
Speaker 1: But do you think it's a bit different as well,
Speaker 1: Because with a breast augmentation, if you're not sharing, say,
Speaker 1: bikini photos of yourself, not everyone's gonna instantly notice that
Speaker 1: you've had it done. But if you go off and
Speaker 1: have a nose job or something that's a very prominent
Speaker 1: feature on your face, people are gonna be asking questions
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, you're not as easy to cover up. No,
Speaker 1: you can't really hide it, can you. I mean, back
Speaker 1: in the day celebrities would be like, oh, yes, I
Speaker 1: always had an injury to my nose that I just
Speaker 1: needed to keep fixed.
Speaker 4: His worth crime is just that he's a bit boring,
Speaker 4: which is not illegal.
Speaker 1: Lifestyle influencer Olivia White has defended Matt Szakowski's behavior on
Speaker 1: a recent influencer trip. The thirty five year old influencer
Speaker 1: stepped in after her vision from the event was used
Speaker 1: to build what she says was a false narrative. Now, Amy,
Speaker 1: before we dive into it, can you bring us up
Speaker 1: to speed. Yeah, so we spoke about this. On Tuesday,
Speaker 1: some photos emerged of Matt Zakowski out and about on
Speaker 1: an influencer trip, and he was seeing canoodling with a
Speaker 1: brunette woman and.
Speaker 2: Also a blonde woman.
Speaker 1: I love the word canoodling. Yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 1: put two and two together and came up with five.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was blown majorly out of proportion.
Speaker 1: But I suppose he's just been so shady in the
Speaker 1: past that everyone came to a conclusion that he must
Speaker 1: be cheating.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically these images popped up on Reddit and then
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail ran with the headline it or something
Speaker 1: like Matt Skakowski seen chatting up brunette woman in pub.
Speaker 1: But these women were part of an influencer trip that
Speaker 1: Matt was on. I do want to point out we
Speaker 1: have only identified two of the women. So I had
Speaker 1: a bit of an argument off air with Sophie because
Speaker 1: I said, you guys, name two of the influencers that
Speaker 1: were on the trip, but the main one in question
Speaker 1: from having a stalk, I believe she was a friend
Speaker 1: of Amy Petriviv. I don't think she was actually a
Speaker 1: part of the trip. I think she must have met
Speaker 1: up with him at the bar. But let's be honest,
Speaker 1: the facial expression that she was pulling did not say
Speaker 1: that she was interested in that. She looked like she
Speaker 1: was rolling her eyes. She also had her arms crossed
Speaker 1: against her chest. So this influencer trip was for a
Speaker 1: private jet company called flight Club I did love. On
Speaker 1: Matt's post, the number one comment was did Tammy pay
Speaker 1: for this? Because he didn't actually disclose the partnership properly
Speaker 1: well to make that as worse. While all of this
Speaker 1: was unfolding, tam was in Greece for her retreat that
Speaker 1: she's running. Oh I kept seeing photos pop up of
Speaker 1: her in bikinis and she got absolutely roasted in the
Speaker 1: comments because one of the photos showed off her new
Speaker 1: breast implants and people were like, I can see nipple
Speaker 1: and they're being just so awful.
Speaker 2: Yes, people are very harsh.
Speaker 1: Now, on Tuesday, we discussed some very bizarre looking footage
Speaker 1: that ended up on an influencer Snark page. And so
Speaker 1: now we're quite confused by the vision because it looked
Speaker 1: like CCTV vision. But it turns out that this vision
Speaker 1: was actually filmed by influencer Olivia White. So Olivia has
Speaker 1: weighed into this drama. She told her followers that she
Speaker 1: was invited on this trip and she actually set up
Speaker 1: a time lapse to capture the social darts element of
Speaker 1: this event. And the reason the vision looked weird is
Speaker 1: because the time lapse was drastically zoomed in. Let's have
Speaker 1: a listen to what Olivia said.
Speaker 4: All the ones being like a spy has like intentionally
Speaker 4: set up a camera.
Speaker 2: No, that was me.
Speaker 4: That was that was my video of me just filming
Speaker 4: us playing darts, you know, sharing the thing that we
Speaker 4: were doing.
Speaker 2: That is like work.
Speaker 1: Now, Olivia said she felt compelled to set the record
Speaker 1: straight on what actually went down, as her vision was
Speaker 1: being used to build I quote, a false story.
Speaker 2: Now before we.
Speaker 1: Throw to more of what Olivia had to say for context,
Speaker 1: Olivia posts a lot of content about Disney and Taylor Swift, Yes,
Speaker 1: particularly leading into the Eerie Store.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: So she does refer to Matt as Mike who was
Speaker 1: the green one eyed monster from Disney. Let's have listened
Speaker 1: to what she said.
Speaker 3: But there was a.
Speaker 2: Guy that came on the trip. I didn't know him,
Speaker 2: never met him.
Speaker 4: His names like Mike Wazowski and there's like.
Speaker 1: Now freaking all these articles and pages like Daily Mail,
Speaker 1: like apparently like some.
Speaker 2: Big escandalo and I'm just like, where do people get
Speaker 2: this stuff? Because I was there.
Speaker 4: I was there. In fact, half of this was taken
Speaker 4: from my content, my stories, and the stuff that these
Speaker 4: people are saying is wild.
Speaker 2: And people were like, oh my god, he was like
Speaker 2: talking to girls. There was like ten of us.
Speaker 4: And like literally he might have said one thing to
Speaker 4: like one person, but he was literally just hanging out
Speaker 4: with the boys.
Speaker 2: And I was like, it's a bit doochey.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Matt was on strict instructions do not
Speaker 1: talk to any girls on this trip. He is aware
Speaker 1: that all eyes are on him in the lead up
Speaker 1: to this wedding. Yeah, I can imagine Tammy and her
Speaker 1: sisters laying down the law for him. It's pretty funny
Speaker 1: that Olivia labeled him douchey and said that he was
Speaker 1: very cold to all the women there. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can see now why he had to be, because literally
Speaker 1: a photo of him sort of standing next to a
Speaker 1: girl looking very unimpressed by his presence has caused a
Speaker 1: lot of headaches for him right now. What I don't
Speaker 1: get is why did the Daily Mail pick up on
Speaker 1: this and run with it? But literally days earlier, Megan
Speaker 1: Bissetto had done a full podcast outlining all of these
Speaker 1: shady things that he allegedly did, and we don't have
Speaker 1: one article written about it. I get the vibe that
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail don't want to attribute stuff to so
Speaker 1: dramatic because they are a rival of theirs, But still,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such Her podcast was so juicy and
Speaker 1: the details in that were much more revealing than him
Speaker 1: just standing next to a woman at an influencer event.
Speaker 2: I mean, apparently the.
Speaker 1: Whole thing was wrapped up by seven pm and they
Speaker 1: got home to Melbourne a couple of hours later. The
Speaker 1: Daily Mail was proposing it as his boozy night out.
Speaker 1: It sounded all very bizarre, like they were playing darts
Speaker 1: with one another. I mean, why did he even agree
Speaker 1: to go on this trip, Like was he paid or
Speaker 1: was it just for the experience of flying on a
Speaker 1: private jet? The fact he didn't tag them or put
Speaker 1: paid partnership. I think it was just a bit of
Speaker 1: a free bet. Maybe Tammy was away and he thought
Speaker 1: it might be fun to go. It's quite funny because
Speaker 1: while Olivia has gone into bat for mate, and she's
Speaker 1: tried to set the record straight about his behavior. She
Speaker 1: hasn't particularly painted him in the best light, like as
Speaker 1: you said, she called him a douchebag, a lot of
Speaker 1: backhanded compliments. I was like, yeah, he wasn't flirting with
Speaker 1: those girls because he was he thought he was better
Speaker 1: than everyone that didn't talk to any of us. I
Speaker 1: think we should throw more to what she said, because
Speaker 1: it was very entertaining.
Speaker 4: My first impression of him was kind of that he
Speaker 4: was about as interesting as a spachelor, like, but that
Speaker 4: was like his worst crime on this trip. And I
Speaker 4: don't know about anything else because this seems to be
Speaker 4: like a whole thing, you know, so I don't know
Speaker 4: any kind of backstory or whatever. I'm just talking about
Speaker 4: this instance specifically, And like I did notice, I was
Speaker 4: looking at his posts about this and he had tagged
Speaker 4: flight Center instead of flight Club, which was actually who
Speaker 4: we were there with. And I was like, I think
Speaker 4: he's a bit daff but you know, not illegal to
Speaker 4: be a bit, you know, not sharpest tool in the
Speaker 4: shed vibes.
Speaker 1: Olivia finished up by saying that she hopes wasn't offended
Speaker 1: by her analysis, but knows he probably won't look at
Speaker 1: her account anyway. Well, she even went as far to
Speaker 1: say that he was boring, which she said isn't illegal,
Speaker 1: but probably not a great person to be having on
Speaker 1: an influencer trip where you're trying to get to know
Speaker 1: people and you're playing.
Speaker 2: Darts and socializing.
Speaker 1: Maybe not so fun to hang around, but the company
Speaker 1: must be absolutely thrilled that the promotion that this has
Speaker 1: given them. Let's get into our highs and lows of
Speaker 1: the week, Amy, I'll kick us off. My high of
Speaker 1: the week is I have recently joined a Facebook group
Speaker 1: called Mum's Christmas Facebook. It is exceptional. It has one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand members, and it is getting me
Speaker 1: so excited for Christmas. Of course, tomorrow is November one,
Speaker 1: which I think is the appropriate time to start getting festive.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's getting into it earlier and earlier each year,
Speaker 1: because I have seen a lot of chat on Instagram
Speaker 1: and TikTok saying look November first, that is officially when
Speaker 1: we can start celebrating Christmas. Well, some of these women
Speaker 1: in this Facebook group, they've gone too far, so I sorry,
Speaker 1: I disagree. No, okay, get this. They have already put
Speaker 1: their Christmas trees up fully decorated. Yeah, but yours isn't decorated.
Speaker 1: They've also bought every single one of their Christmas presents
Speaker 1: for their family members and wrapped them what.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it actually
Speaker 2: got alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually made me feel stressed. But part of
Speaker 1: the fun I think of Christmas shopping is when you
Speaker 1: go to the shops and there's decorations and there's carols playing.
Speaker 1: Like so many of the shops, they don't actually put
Speaker 1: their official Christmas decorations up until Santa is in the store.
Speaker 1: So while they might be selling Christmas decorations, they're not
Speaker 1: playing carols. They don't have their own in store decorations
Speaker 1: set up.
Speaker 2: It's not a vibe.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose this is a mum's Facebook group and
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have the time to be out and
Speaker 1: about shopping with everyone else.
Speaker 2: So how do they have.
Speaker 1: The time pre Christmas to do it? Well, a lot
Speaker 1: of them are said that they buy things throughout the year,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how that works with kids, because
Speaker 1: normally you take them to see stand and then they'll
Speaker 1: tell Santa what they want Anyway, I'm not shitting on
Speaker 1: this scrip because I very much enjoy it. There looks
Speaker 1: like there's some amazing women in there that are giving
Speaker 1: some brilliant advice. And I came across this thing that
Speaker 1: I want to do for Jack so and I feel
Speaker 1: a bit of pressure because when you guys have kids,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do the same thing as me.
Speaker 1: So I feel pressure if I'm going to start a
Speaker 1: new tradition. But it's called a December First Box. So
Speaker 1: originally I thought I wanted to do a Christmas Eve box,
Speaker 1: but these December First boxes make more sense to me
Speaker 1: because you give them to your child at the start
Speaker 1: of December, and they have things like Christmas pajamas and
Speaker 1: Christmas activities and Christmas books that you can actually enjoy
Speaker 1: throughout the whole month, rather than getting them all on
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. The only person I've ever seen do this
Speaker 1: is Anastasia King's North's mum.
Speaker 2: The Christmas Eve Box. Yeah, and I always I agree.
Speaker 1: I think, well, why the fuck do they want these pajamas?
Speaker 1: They can for one night. I told Dale your idea
Speaker 1: of doing this, and he's like, oh my god, are
Speaker 1: you serious?
Speaker 2: Like that is just so over the top.
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh no, she's probably gonna have
Speaker 1: bought that stuff for Jack anyway. But it's cute thing
Speaker 1: of them getting excited for the holiday season. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: already had all of the stuff, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just need to make a box. So I want
Speaker 1: to do a bit of a DIY. I might put
Speaker 1: it on my TikTok.
Speaker 2: Should I be so cute?
Speaker 1: Sorry, if you filmed every year Jack opening the box,
Speaker 1: because imagine having that for X amount of years and
Speaker 1: even getting to see like because you've got to remember
Speaker 1: those pajamas for him when he grows up. That will
Speaker 1: be like vintage Christmas pajamas.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I want to point out you don't have
Speaker 1: to always put new things in this box.
Speaker 2: It can be recycled things.
Speaker 1: So it might be that you have a special Christmas
Speaker 1: book that you put in the box every year, the
Speaker 1: same one, and you just refresh it with a few
Speaker 1: new things. There's so many good things at the op
Speaker 1: shops right now is a good time to go and
Speaker 1: check out the Christmas decorations. That is a good recommendation.
Speaker 1: Now I get to my love of the week. It
Speaker 1: is Christmas related as well, I have been hanging out
Speaker 1: to take Jack to the Christmas pageant. He will be
Speaker 1: five months next week, and Reese was telling me, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's too young to go. He won't enjoy it. Guess
Speaker 1: who's going to enjoy it?
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 1: I wanted to go. I wanted to get into the
Speaker 1: Christmas I wanted you to go. I wanted his grandparents
Speaker 1: to go. I thought it would be a great kickstart
Speaker 1: to the Christmas season. Unfortunately, it's thirty three degrees that day.
Speaker 1: Normally I would love it, but I can't take him
Speaker 1: out in thirty three degree weather. So We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to watch it on the TV. And I'm so disappointed.
Speaker 1: Wait are we coming over to watch it with you?
Speaker 2: We can? I mean, because I think we should do.
Speaker 1: Like a big like brunch or something and make it
Speaker 1: a bit of a Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm all for that.
Speaker 1: I'm all for starting new Christmas tradition. So if anyone
Speaker 1: out there has any Christmas traditions that they think are
Speaker 1: great for kids, because I'm on the fence about doing
Speaker 1: Elf on the shelf. I don't think I have to
Speaker 1: do it this year, but I was thinking of putting
Speaker 1: the Elf on the shelf in Jack's December first box.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe Elf on the Shelf could do something each
Speaker 1: week or something not every day. Yeah, he's gone to
Speaker 1: stay for a week.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 1: So my high of the week, it's a pretty exciting one.
Speaker 1: It's that I am going to be extending my family
Speaker 1: to an extra kitten.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Yes, So a lot of the
Speaker 1: listeners might already know that. I have two beautiful rag
Speaker 1: dolls called Gigi and Bentley, and Dale's mum. She's got
Speaker 1: a property up in the hills, and a cat has
Speaker 1: given birth to these four kittens, and they're looking for
Speaker 1: good homes for them. This cat is the spitting image
Speaker 1: of our family, our previous family cat Lulu, and also theatre.
Speaker 1: And I saw this cat and I had just this
Speaker 1: connection with it. I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love it. I didn't think anything of it because I
Speaker 1: think Dale's already has enough fluff from the two cats
Speaker 1: to deal with. He's not a huge animal person. So
Speaker 1: I nearly died the next day when he said to me,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you and that cat.
Speaker 2: And I think you should get it.
Speaker 1: Well, what's the difference between two and three cats? I mean,
Speaker 1: it'd be different if it was a dog. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I am looking for name suggestions. We believe it's a
Speaker 1: little girl, so I was thinking of Winnie, but I
Speaker 1: suggested Winnie because gg was named after Gigi had did.
Speaker 1: We also had Lulu, which is old, an old model,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking Winnie.
Speaker 2: Harlowe. Yeah, well, Harlow very popular in the moment thanks
Speaker 2: to Sarah's day.
Speaker 1: Well, Winnie works because if a ends out that this
Speaker 1: kitten is a boy, it can be a boys name.
Speaker 1: It can be Winston. So anyway, Winnifred. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now my low of the week is that Anna Kendrick's
Speaker 1: new movie has come out on Netflix.
Speaker 2: It's been number one in Australia.
Speaker 1: Please don't talk about it because I hate scary movies
Speaker 1: and you started telling me about it and it's just
Speaker 1: freaked me out. No, it's good. I mean, it's worth watching.
Speaker 1: I was watching it by myself, so I wouldn't recommend that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, because she has been everywhere at the moment,
Speaker 1: we've spoken about it before, a lot of people think
Speaker 1: that Iron particular look like Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 2: I did get it when I was in Utah as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now everyone keeps coming out of the woodwhere
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, you look like Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 2: You look at Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 1: Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's just
Speaker 1: been quite.
Speaker 2: Quite overwhelming the amount of people saying it.
Speaker 1: Well, it depressed me because there was a troll comment
Speaker 1: director to Anna Kendrick saying, oh, can this middle aged
Speaker 1: woman stop winging? And I was like middle aged woman?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, she's thirty nine, And then I
Speaker 1: had this spiral because I'm like, wow, forty actually is
Speaker 1: probably considered middle aged. How fucking good does she look
Speaker 1: for thirty nine. You'd never think that she was thirty nine.
Speaker 1: It looks like she's mid twenties. I actually really enjoyed
Speaker 1: her interview on Call Her Daddy.
Speaker 2: I need to listen to this.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just want to be friends with her.
Speaker 1: After listening to her talking on there, one of the
Speaker 1: funny things that she'd actually discussed was one of her
Speaker 1: biggest fears, which is people seeing her natural hair. So
Speaker 1: she presents herself with straight hair, but what is it
Speaker 1: naturally she presents straight so well, Basically Alex Cooper said
Speaker 1: to her, what is the most high maintenance thing about you,
Speaker 1: and she said, it's actually my.
Speaker 2: Hair because I have I'm like a secret Curly.
Speaker 3: Why I'm like a secret like like like Kerrie Russell
Speaker 3: and Felicity level Curly, you have gorgeous hair.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what my hair looks like? With her wealth,
Speaker 2: why does she not get it chemically straightened?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but she said that he has become
Speaker 1: such a big deal that she has never shown her
Speaker 1: friends up until recently what her natural hair looks like.
Speaker 1: So she's said that she had to do kind of
Speaker 1: this big reveal chat to warn her friends, like, I'm
Speaker 1: coming down, this is what my hair looks like just
Speaker 1: after drive blow dried it.
Speaker 2: It's not nice.
Speaker 1: And she said that she even did a reveal to
Speaker 1: her therapist because it was such a huge concern of hers.
Speaker 1: So it made me like her even more because you
Speaker 1: think these movie stars, what issues do they have?
Speaker 3: Hm?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's not a huge one, but.
Speaker 2: It also made me think I really want to see
Speaker 2: what her hair looks like. I know, I can only imagine.
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of relate.
Speaker 1: I don't like my hair naturally dried, but I now
Speaker 1: wear it wet and a pulled back in a ponytail
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, on that note, I probably could
Speaker 1: talk about hair for another two hours, but we will
Speaker 1: leave you to the rest of your Oh my, no,
Speaker 1: we'll leave you to the rest of your Thursday. Thank
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Speaker 1: I kept plugging our own TikTok quite insufferable.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually am.
Speaker 1: Putting up a recent TikTok of our Halloween party and
Speaker 1: how I managed to get all this shit organized in
Speaker 1: about two hours, So if you want to check that out,
Speaker 1: and if I get my act together, I might put
Speaker 1: a TikTok off about my first of December podcast. Yes, definitely. Well,
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