1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Olivia White 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: jumps to Mattzakowski's defense, Sophie Jane Miller shocks her followers, 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: and why Anna Paul got her lip filler dissolved. But first, 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Lily Brown has revealed her pajama business chill almost sent 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: her bankrupt. The OG influencer was forced to borrow money 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: from her dad and boyfriend Jet Kenny after taking bad 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: business advice from a family member. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: Oh this was so juicy. 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: So she was interviewed on an influencer podcast, and I 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: think she has been dropping clues along the way that 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: she has found business really challenging. She's opened up in 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: the past about how being an influencer was a lot 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: easier than starting a business, but I don't think we 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: knew how. 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Dire it actually was. 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: So Lily shared that she went from being financially comfortable 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: to almost losing it all. Let's throw to what Lily 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: had to say. 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 3: I just feel like I've my mindset kind of switched 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 3: from being financially comfortable for a while, I would say, 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: and then obviously investing all of the money into chill 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: that I had made, and then going from feeling like 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 3: that was going super well to then I invested all 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 3: of the money in the business account into a specific 27 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 3: collection as per the advice that I was given, and 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: the collection rocked up in the complete wrong fabric and 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: the complete wrong colors, and it was a summer collection 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 3: that I ended up having to launch in winter. And 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: the whole thing cost me about one hundred and ten 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: thousand dollars. 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: That is a lot of money to lose one hundred 34 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: and ten thousand dollars. It is interesting to know how 35 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: much influencers are actually putting into these collections. Can you 36 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: imagine having the wrong pajamas arrived knowing that you were 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: about to go to launch. This is a nightmare for her, 38 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: particularly because she took advice from a family member, so 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: she didn't actually say who it was. I'm guessing it 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: was an uncle because she said that they are the 41 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: only family that they have in Ueensland, and she referred 42 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: to them as being a male and now her parents 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: aren't talking to them, so it's very messy. Doesn't everyone 44 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: say that you should never work with family. We clearly 45 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: haven't listened to that one. 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: Well. 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: After that launch, Lily was forced to move out of 48 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: her home because she couldn't actually afford to pay her 49 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: rent any longer. She said that she ended up selling 50 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of her stuff just to get cash to 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: pay for removal us and after she sold all her stuff, 52 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: her hair was falling out. She couldn't sleep, she broke 53 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: out in hives. It had a really big impact on 54 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: her well. She also said that she had to change 55 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: managers because her manager at the time wasn't earning her 56 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: enough money. And she spoke about how she had to 57 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: put this facade online because she said, you can't really 58 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: talk about your business struggles when you're the face of 59 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: a brand. Let's have a listen to what she said. 60 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like this icky, sad, stressful situation. 61 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: But of course, like I'm still my own personal brand, 62 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: so on Instagram, you can't pretend that everything's fine, can you. 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: Everyone's still expecting you to show up every day like 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 3: hey guys, everything's all good and sweet and like there's 65 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: nothing wrong. But yeah, it was fucking dire, like really 66 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: really stressful. 67 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: My hair was falling out. 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: I found that really interesting because a lot of people 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: talk about how it's really important for influencers to be transparent, 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: but when your business is so closely linked to your 71 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: personal brand, it would be so tricky. And it does 72 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: make a lot of sense because last year we spoke 73 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: about how Lily's brand Chill launched these pajamas and they 74 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: ended up smelling, and she was very defensive at the time, 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: and I have a bit more empathy for her now 76 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: because who knew that all of this was going on 77 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: in the background. It's a hard one, isn't it, Because 78 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: when you're trying to build confidence in a small brand, 79 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: you hardly want to say to your potential consumers, oh, 80 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: we've just lost one hundred and ten K, because you'd 81 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: be thinking, well, am I actually gonna get pajamas if 82 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: I go and buy them? So I can see why 83 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Lily kept this a secret. But it's great she's talking 84 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: about it now because it makes her. 85 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: A lot more likable. 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: I think the fact that she's been able to turn 87 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: her business around as well. It's obviously doing a lot better, 88 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: which is probably why she's felt comfortable to share. Yeah, 89 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: she did say that her business was on the up 90 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I also think it's a bit of a warning for 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: other influencers because a lot of people. I mean, it 92 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: was on Madison Woollie's podcast and she has also started 93 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: her own business, and I could see her nodding her 94 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: head in agreeance, because a lot of people just assume 95 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: when you've got a built in audience that you're going 96 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: to be very successful and your products are just going 97 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: to sell. But the fact that she only sold one 98 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: piece of clothing after a launch night is absolutely crazy. Yeah, 99 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that because most of the time influencers 100 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: like to put this rhetoric out there, we've sold out 101 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: on everything, and you just think that anytime an influencer 102 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: puts their name to a product, oh well, they're going 103 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: to do well, it's going to sell out. But we've 104 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: spoken about this before. Often influencers will only put out 105 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: a small sample of clothing and they'll test out the market, 106 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: and then they'll make this big song and dance that 107 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: they've sold out, when an actual fact, maybe they've only 108 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: sold one hundred products, and then they'll do a pre 109 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: order and actually find out how many people really want 110 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: the product. Another interesting thing Lily touched upon in that 111 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: interview was the fact that she's moved into Jet Kenny's 112 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: dad's house, So we did speak about that a couple 113 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: of months ago. She confirmed that she's not paying any 114 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: rent and basically all she has to do is cook 115 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: Jet and his dad food. That sounds like a pretty 116 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: good deal to me, especially in the current climate where 117 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: rent is just ridiculous. 118 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 119 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: Well, she also said recently that Jet's friend and partner 120 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: moved in, and she's like, that's cool. We have one 121 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: wing of the house, and I mean, this is an 122 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: absolute mansion that they're living in. Do you think one 123 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: of the reasons why she didn't share about her financial 124 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: struggles initially was because being an OG influencer sometimes they 125 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: have to put across this facade that they're rich, and 126 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why people like to follow them, 127 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: because their content is aspirational. Do you think she thought, fuck, no, 128 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: one's going to want to follow me if I'm some 129 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: broke influencer on the Gold Coast. It's ironic because a 130 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: lot of the OG influencers do seem broke. It seems 131 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: like they made a lot of money at the time 132 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: and now they're having to revert to normal jobs. I mean, 133 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: look at Michael Finch. He's back on the up because 134 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of TikTok followers now to do 135 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: two million followers. Yeah, but he looks like he lives 136 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: a pretty normal life, Like he's not flashing the cash anymore, 137 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: he's not buying designer items, and he's probably doing better 138 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: than he was back then. 139 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 140 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: I found it really interesting that Lily said that she 141 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: spent all the money that she had earned on her 142 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: influencing career and put it into this business, and then 143 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: she put that figure of one hundred and ten k 144 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: out there, Because does that mean that that's all she 145 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: had saved up? Well, I think there's a lot of 146 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: influencers out there who you assumer earning these big bucks, 147 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: but actually I think they're more likely earning minimum wage. Yeah, 148 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: but I think she would have been earning big bucks. 149 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that one hundred and ten thousand dollars 150 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: is not a lot of money, but I would have 151 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: thought the paychecks that were coming in she would have 152 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: saved a lot more. I think that maybe she was 153 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: spending a lot of money at the time. I think 154 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: about her in the twenty seventeens, at the height of 155 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: Lily Brown and Michael Finch and Chiny Grubin's fame, they 156 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: were all buying like Balenciaga clothing, yeah, bags, And I 157 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: don't think a lot of them thought about the future. 158 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: They probably just thought, Wow, this money is going to 159 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: continue throughout our careers. And it seems to have really 160 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: dried up for a lot of influencers. Yeah, and the 161 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: market is so saturated now that they're having to compete 162 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: with people that really take content creation to the next level. 163 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: They're creating ten TikTok videos a day. Well, I saw 164 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: some crazy figure. It was something like there are twelve 165 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: million influences in America right now. She so just shows 166 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: you how oversaturated. 167 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: This market is. Well, they're keeping our podcast in business. 168 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: And goodness, this is what I look like naturally. Anna 169 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Paul is the latest influencer to reverse her cosmetic enhancements 170 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: the only fans. Start announced to her seven point two 171 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: million followers that she's reverting back to her natural appearance. 172 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: This video has gone off on TikTok. It's already had 173 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: four point six million views. And in the video you 174 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: see Anna getting her lips dissolved and she also box 175 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: eyed her hair back to its natural brown. I was 176 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: surprised that she used a box style. I've seen her 177 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: do it before her TikTok, and all I could think 178 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: about was Sam Mangan, who actually is her business partner, 179 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: going on about Karen's box dyeing their hair. It did 180 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: look really nice, it was. It probably influenced a lot 181 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: of people to try the box dies out, but that 182 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: was not the point of the video. I want to 183 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: throw to a grab of Anna's reaction after she got 184 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: her lip filler dissolved. 185 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: This is what I looked like when I was fourteen, 186 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: Like the smile. I can't believe I didn't do this earlier. 187 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: I feel so good. 188 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I looked at myself in the mirror sometimes and I 189 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: thought something's off. 190 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: It's because I altered my face, obviously. 191 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: I could not get over the transformation. She looks absolutely incredible. 192 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: She looks so much younger, for one thing, and really fresh. 193 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: I think you forget that Anna Paul's only twenty five, 194 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: because she's already had so much success in her career. 195 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: But now with the lip filler dissolved, she looks twenty five, 196 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: and I think that was a big motivator because in 197 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: this TikTok. She did a throwback to what she used 198 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: to look like at nineteen and twenty. 199 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: I could not believe it. Her lips were so large. 200 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: It was very that duck pout, so her lips had 201 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: I've been getting smaller over time, But don't you think. 202 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: We're seeing more of that now? 203 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: Like obviously a few years ago, Molly May started the 204 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: trend by dissolving her lips. I feel like a lot 205 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: of influencers are thinking, now it's almost embarrassing to have 206 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: those really big duck lips, because it seems like a 207 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: trend that was very twenty seventeen and now very much 208 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: people want to be natural. And if you think about it, 209 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: a lot of those influences have hit mid twenties, and 210 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: when you're younger, it's all about looking older, but when 211 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you start to approach your thirties, it's all about reversing 212 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: time and looking younger. So can I just point out 213 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: twenty five is so young? 214 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: It is? 215 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: It definitely is, But a lot of these influencers are 216 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: looking a lot older because of the cosmetic enhancements that 217 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: they've had, and I think they suddenly realize that now. 218 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it is a coincidence that a lot 219 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: of influencers get cosmetic procedures in the first place because 220 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: they're always looking at themselves. It's kind of like when 221 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: you're go on holiday and you're not used to seeing 222 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: lots of photos of yourself, and you're like, is that 223 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: what I look like? 224 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: Yea, were not. 225 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: Only I mean they're filming themselves, They're having to edit themselves. 226 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: It would be absolutely hideous to stare at a photo 227 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,359 Speaker 1: of yourself. Even for example, when I worked as a journalist, 228 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: having to hear your voice back every day, you suddenly 229 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: start to pick these faults, you like, do I actually 230 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: sound like? And now that podcast filming is a thing, 231 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: like we are always picking ourselves apart on there. So 232 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: I totally get it in saying that. I was so 233 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: surprised the other day when I flipped on YouTube and 234 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: my favorite YouTuber Sophie Jane Miller revealed that she got 235 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: rhino pasty. So this surgery has completely come out of nowhere. 236 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: She went mia on social media for a couple of weeks, 237 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: which isn't unusual sometimes she's not so regular in posting videos, 238 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: and then she returned with this vlog entitled I Got 239 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 1: a nose job. Yeah, I was shocked as well, because, 240 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, it was because I'd never noticed 241 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: any kind of issue with Sophie's nose. She's a very 242 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: conventionally good looking girl. Yeah, and Sophie later revealed in 243 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: this vlog that she had gone to these great lengths 244 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: not to show herself from certain angles because she didn't 245 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: like the way her nose looked. It makes me want 246 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: to look back at the videos because I actually was 247 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: scrolling through her Instagram the other night being like, I 248 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: am so shocked. And again, it is absolutely her decision 249 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: whether she wants to have plastic surgery. She is entitled 250 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: to make that decision. 251 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 2: I wholeheartedly agree. 252 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: With that it's her body, her choice, But I can't 253 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: deny that I felt sad because the fact that she 254 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: thought that she needed to change something on her face. 255 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the people that follow her 256 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: and probably were also shocked by this announcement. And I 257 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: think we can all agree that, yes, it's her decision, 258 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: but also feel sad about it because this is a 259 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: major surgery for someone to have. Yeah, And I think 260 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: it ties into what you were saying before about how 261 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: much of that came down to watching herself back and 262 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: picking herself apart because her job is being a content creator, 263 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: or how much of it came from people picking her 264 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: apart in comments about something that wasn't an issue. I mean, 265 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: her nose looks incredible now after the surgery. 266 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: It looked incredible before. 267 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: And she has got a lot of praise for actually 268 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: sharing her surgery online. A lot of people have said, Oh, 269 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you were transparent about it. I mean, 270 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: I think it would have been pretty obvious if she 271 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: had come back from a two week break and suddenly 272 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: her nose was looking slightly different. 273 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 274 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: Well, she was very open in the comment section. So 275 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: she did reply to someone saying that they weren't sure 276 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: about how they felt about her sharing the experience, and 277 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: she said that it was a catch twenty two for her. 278 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: She wrote, half of me didn't want to promote it 279 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: at all, but the other half wanted to be completely honest, 280 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: and I never wanted to lie slash not say that 281 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: I had it done. I tend to agree with her, 282 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know how I feel about all of 283 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: this because recently Indy Clinton got slammed because she went 284 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: offline for a couple of weeks she said she was 285 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: taking a break and she came back with a breast augmentation, 286 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: and she was forced to come out and say, yes, 287 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: I did get a boob job, but I didn't really 288 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: want to promote it. And it was an interesting decision 289 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: for her because that would have been great content for 290 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: her TikTok that would have gone off. 291 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: It would have got lots of views. 292 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: Well, I Respectdy for not sharing it, but I also 293 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: respect Sophie for sharing her journey because people might say, oh, 294 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: but she's promoting it. I watched the volog and I thought, fuck, 295 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't think of anything worse than getting a nose job, 296 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: because she went through the realities of the recovery process, 297 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: and she even spoke about when she got the bandages off, 298 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: and she said, at first I thought, oh my god, 299 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: what have I done. I don't like my nose. And 300 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: I think that would make a lot of people who 301 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: were considering getting the surgery think twice and think, well, 302 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: do I really want to go. 303 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: Through all of that? 304 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 305 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: I suppose it depends how an influencer actually documents their journey. 306 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: I think you can tell when an influencer has got 307 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: the procedure for free, and everything's glossed over. I do 308 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: think that there is a difference between being transparent and 309 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: actually promoting the surgery. So I do like it when 310 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: influencers come out and say, oh, yes, I've had X, Y, 311 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: and Z done, But I still am on the fence 312 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: about actually documenting the process because I do think even 313 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: if you do share the bad side of it, it 314 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: does come across as promotional. But INSIGHT's instant because it 315 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: was quite a shock to people because she'd never spoken 316 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: about her nose being insecurity. I feel like she almost 317 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: had to put that content out there kind of as 318 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: an explanation. Like if she had just popped up on 319 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: her channel saying, oh, and I've got a nose job, 320 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: but I don't want to speak about it. 321 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: Everyone be like what the fuck? 322 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, it does depend on the relationship you have 323 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: with your audience, I suppose. I mean that sort of 324 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: content is just so prevalent now on TikTok, particularly in 325 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: the space of breast implants, like there are so many 326 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: influences documenting their procedures, and again you have the other 327 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: side of it, where there's so many people getting explant 328 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: surgeries and documenting that. So, I honestly don't know how 329 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: I feel about it. I think it depends on each 330 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: individual case and how the influencer. 331 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: Deals with it. 332 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: But do you think it's a bit different as well, 333 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Because with a breast augmentation, if you're not sharing, say, 334 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: bikini photos of yourself, not everyone's gonna instantly notice that 335 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: you've had it done. But if you go off and 336 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: have a nose job or something that's a very prominent 337 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: feature on your face, people are gonna be asking questions 338 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, you're not as easy to cover up. No, 339 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: you can't really hide it, can you. I mean, back 340 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: in the day celebrities would be like, oh, yes, I 341 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: always had an injury to my nose that I just 342 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: needed to keep fixed. 343 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: His worth crime is just that he's a bit boring, 344 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: which is not illegal. 345 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Lifestyle influencer Olivia White has defended Matt Szakowski's behavior on 346 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: a recent influencer trip. The thirty five year old influencer 347 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: stepped in after her vision from the event was used 348 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: to build what she says was a false narrative. Now, Amy, 349 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: before we dive into it, can you bring us up 350 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: to speed. Yeah, so we spoke about this. On Tuesday, 351 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: some photos emerged of Matt Zakowski out and about on 352 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: an influencer trip, and he was seeing canoodling with a 353 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: brunette woman and. 354 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 2: Also a blonde woman. 355 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: I love the word canoodling. Yeah, a lot of people 356 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: put two and two together and came up with five. 357 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: Really. 358 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought it was blown majorly out of proportion. 359 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: But I suppose he's just been so shady in the 360 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: past that everyone came to a conclusion that he must 361 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: be cheating. 362 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 363 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: So basically these images popped up on Reddit and then 364 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail ran with the headline it or something 365 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: like Matt Skakowski seen chatting up brunette woman in pub. 366 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: But these women were part of an influencer trip that 367 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: Matt was on. I do want to point out we 368 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: have only identified two of the women. So I had 369 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: a bit of an argument off air with Sophie because 370 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: I said, you guys, name two of the influencers that 371 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: were on the trip, but the main one in question 372 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: from having a stalk, I believe she was a friend 373 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: of Amy Petriviv. I don't think she was actually a 374 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: part of the trip. I think she must have met 375 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: up with him at the bar. But let's be honest, 376 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: the facial expression that she was pulling did not say 377 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: that she was interested in that. She looked like she 378 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: was rolling her eyes. She also had her arms crossed 379 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: against her chest. So this influencer trip was for a 380 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: private jet company called flight Club I did love. On 381 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: Matt's post, the number one comment was did Tammy pay 382 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: for this? Because he didn't actually disclose the partnership properly 383 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: well to make that as worse. While all of this 384 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: was unfolding, tam was in Greece for her retreat that 385 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: she's running. Oh I kept seeing photos pop up of 386 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: her in bikinis and she got absolutely roasted in the 387 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: comments because one of the photos showed off her new 388 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: breast implants and people were like, I can see nipple 389 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and they're being just so awful. 390 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: Yes, people are very harsh. 391 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: Now, on Tuesday, we discussed some very bizarre looking footage 392 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: that ended up on an influencer Snark page. And so 393 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: now we're quite confused by the vision because it looked 394 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: like CCTV vision. But it turns out that this vision 395 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: was actually filmed by influencer Olivia White. So Olivia has 396 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: weighed into this drama. She told her followers that she 397 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: was invited on this trip and she actually set up 398 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: a time lapse to capture the social darts element of 399 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: this event. And the reason the vision looked weird is 400 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: because the time lapse was drastically zoomed in. Let's have 401 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: a listen to what Olivia said. 402 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: All the ones being like a spy has like intentionally 403 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 4: set up a camera. 404 00:17:58,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: No, that was me. 405 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 4: That was that was my video of me just filming 406 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 4: us playing darts, you know, sharing the thing that we 407 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 4: were doing. 408 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: That is like work. 409 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: Now, Olivia said she felt compelled to set the record 410 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: straight on what actually went down, as her vision was 411 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: being used to build I quote, a false story. 412 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: Now before we. 413 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: Throw to more of what Olivia had to say for context, 414 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: Olivia posts a lot of content about Disney and Taylor Swift, Yes, 415 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: particularly leading into the Eerie Store. 416 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: I enjoyed that. 417 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: So she does refer to Matt as Mike who was 418 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: the green one eyed monster from Disney. Let's have listened 419 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: to what she said. 420 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: But there was a. 421 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: Guy that came on the trip. I didn't know him, 422 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: never met him. 423 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 4: His names like Mike Wazowski and there's like. 424 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: Now freaking all these articles and pages like Daily Mail, 425 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: like apparently like some. 426 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: Big escandalo and I'm just like, where do people get 427 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: this stuff? Because I was there. 428 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: I was there. In fact, half of this was taken 429 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: from my content, my stories, and the stuff that these 430 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: people are saying is wild. 431 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: And people were like, oh my god, he was like 432 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: talking to girls. There was like ten of us. 433 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 4: And like literally he might have said one thing to 434 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 4: like one person, but he was literally just hanging out 435 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 4: with the boys. 436 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, it's a bit doochey. 437 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like Matt was on strict instructions do not 438 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: talk to any girls on this trip. He is aware 439 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: that all eyes are on him in the lead up 440 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 1: to this wedding. Yeah, I can imagine Tammy and her 441 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: sisters laying down the law for him. It's pretty funny 442 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: that Olivia labeled him douchey and said that he was 443 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: very cold to all the women there. I mean, I 444 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: can see now why he had to be, because literally 445 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: a photo of him sort of standing next to a 446 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: girl looking very unimpressed by his presence has caused a 447 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of headaches for him right now. What I don't 448 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: get is why did the Daily Mail pick up on 449 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: this and run with it? But literally days earlier, Megan 450 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: Bissetto had done a full podcast outlining all of these 451 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: shady things that he allegedly did, and we don't have 452 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: one article written about it. I get the vibe that 453 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail don't want to attribute stuff to so 454 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: dramatic because they are a rival of theirs, But still, 455 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's such Her podcast was so juicy and 456 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: the details in that were much more revealing than him 457 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: just standing next to a woman at an influencer event. 458 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: I mean, apparently the. 459 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: Whole thing was wrapped up by seven pm and they 460 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: got home to Melbourne a couple of hours later. The 461 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: Daily Mail was proposing it as his boozy night out. 462 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: It sounded all very bizarre, like they were playing darts 463 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: with one another. I mean, why did he even agree 464 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: to go on this trip, Like was he paid or 465 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: was it just for the experience of flying on a 466 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: private jet? The fact he didn't tag them or put 467 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: paid partnership. I think it was just a bit of 468 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: a free bet. Maybe Tammy was away and he thought 469 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: it might be fun to go. It's quite funny because 470 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: while Olivia has gone into bat for mate, and she's 471 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: tried to set the record straight about his behavior. She 472 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: hasn't particularly painted him in the best light, like as 473 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: you said, she called him a douchebag, a lot of 474 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: backhanded compliments. I was like, yeah, he wasn't flirting with 475 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: those girls because he was he thought he was better 476 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: than everyone that didn't talk to any of us. I 477 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: think we should throw more to what she said, because 478 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: it was very entertaining. 479 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 4: My first impression of him was kind of that he 480 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: was about as interesting as a spachelor, like, but that 481 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: was like his worst crime on this trip. And I 482 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 4: don't know about anything else because this seems to be 483 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 4: like a whole thing, you know, so I don't know 484 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 4: any kind of backstory or whatever. I'm just talking about 485 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 4: this instance specifically, And like I did notice, I was 486 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: looking at his posts about this and he had tagged 487 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 4: flight Center instead of flight Club, which was actually who 488 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: we were there with. And I was like, I think 489 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: he's a bit daff but you know, not illegal to 490 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 4: be a bit, you know, not sharpest tool in the 491 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: shed vibes. 492 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: Olivia finished up by saying that she hopes wasn't offended 493 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: by her analysis, but knows he probably won't look at 494 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: her account anyway. Well, she even went as far to 495 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: say that he was boring, which she said isn't illegal, 496 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: but probably not a great person to be having on 497 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: an influencer trip where you're trying to get to know 498 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: people and you're playing. 499 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: Darts and socializing. 500 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: Maybe not so fun to hang around, but the company 501 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: must be absolutely thrilled that the promotion that this has 502 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: given them. Let's get into our highs and lows of 503 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: the week, Amy, I'll kick us off. My high of 504 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: the week is I have recently joined a Facebook group 505 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: called Mum's Christmas Facebook. It is exceptional. It has one 506 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand members, and it is getting me 507 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: so excited for Christmas. Of course, tomorrow is November one, 508 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: which I think is the appropriate time to start getting festive. 509 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: I think everyone's getting into it earlier and earlier each year, 510 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: because I have seen a lot of chat on Instagram 511 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: and TikTok saying look November first, that is officially when 512 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: we can start celebrating Christmas. Well, some of these women 513 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: in this Facebook group, they've gone too far, so I sorry, 514 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I disagree. No, okay, get this. They have already put 515 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: their Christmas trees up fully decorated. Yeah, but yours isn't decorated. 516 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: They've also bought every single one of their Christmas presents 517 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 1: for their family members and wrapped them what. 518 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it actually 519 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: got alive. 520 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually made me feel stressed. But part of 521 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: the fun I think of Christmas shopping is when you 522 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: go to the shops and there's decorations and there's carols playing. 523 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: Like so many of the shops, they don't actually put 524 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: their official Christmas decorations up until Santa is in the store. 525 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: So while they might be selling Christmas decorations, they're not 526 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: playing carols. They don't have their own in store decorations 527 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: set up. 528 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 2: It's not a vibe. 529 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: Well, I suppose this is a mum's Facebook group and 530 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: maybe they don't have the time to be out and 531 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: about shopping with everyone else. 532 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: So how do they have. 533 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: The time pre Christmas to do it? Well, a lot 534 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: of them are said that they buy things throughout the year, 535 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: but I don't know how that works with kids, because 536 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: normally you take them to see stand and then they'll 537 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: tell Santa what they want Anyway, I'm not shitting on 538 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: this scrip because I very much enjoy it. There looks 539 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: like there's some amazing women in there that are giving 540 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: some brilliant advice. And I came across this thing that 541 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: I want to do for Jack so and I feel 542 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: a bit of pressure because when you guys have kids, 543 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do the same thing as me. 544 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: So I feel pressure if I'm going to start a 545 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: new tradition. But it's called a December First Box. So 546 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: originally I thought I wanted to do a Christmas Eve box, 547 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: but these December First boxes make more sense to me 548 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: because you give them to your child at the start 549 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: of December, and they have things like Christmas pajamas and 550 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: Christmas activities and Christmas books that you can actually enjoy 551 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: throughout the whole month, rather than getting them all on 552 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. The only person I've ever seen do this 553 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: is Anastasia King's North's mum. 554 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: The Christmas Eve Box. Yeah, and I always I agree. 555 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: I think, well, why the fuck do they want these pajamas? 556 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: They can for one night. I told Dale your idea 557 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: of doing this, and he's like, oh my god, are 558 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: you serious? 559 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: Like that is just so over the top. 560 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: But I was like, oh no, she's probably gonna have 561 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: bought that stuff for Jack anyway. But it's cute thing 562 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: of them getting excited for the holiday season. Yeah, I 563 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: already had all of the stuff, and I'm like, oh, 564 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: I just need to make a box. So I want 565 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: to do a bit of a DIY. I might put 566 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: it on my TikTok. 567 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 2: Should I be so cute? 568 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: Sorry, if you filmed every year Jack opening the box, 569 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: because imagine having that for X amount of years and 570 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: even getting to see like because you've got to remember 571 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: those pajamas for him when he grows up. That will 572 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: be like vintage Christmas pajamas. 573 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 574 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: And also I want to point out you don't have 575 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: to always put new things in this box. 576 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: It can be recycled things. 577 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: So it might be that you have a special Christmas 578 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: book that you put in the box every year, the 579 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: same one, and you just refresh it with a few 580 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: new things. There's so many good things at the op 581 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: shops right now is a good time to go and 582 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: check out the Christmas decorations. That is a good recommendation. 583 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: Now I get to my love of the week. It 584 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: is Christmas related as well, I have been hanging out 585 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: to take Jack to the Christmas pageant. He will be 586 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: five months next week, and Reese was telling me, Oh, 587 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: he's too young to go. He won't enjoy it. Guess 588 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: who's going to enjoy it? 589 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: Me? 590 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to go. I wanted to get into the 591 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: Christmas I wanted you to go. I wanted his grandparents 592 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: to go. I thought it would be a great kickstart 593 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: to the Christmas season. Unfortunately, it's thirty three degrees that day. 594 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: Normally I would love it, but I can't take him 595 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: out in thirty three degree weather. So We're gonna have 596 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: to watch it on the TV. And I'm so disappointed. 597 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: Wait are we coming over to watch it with you? 598 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: We can? I mean, because I think we should do. 599 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: Like a big like brunch or something and make it 600 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: a bit of a Yeah. 601 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: I'm all for that. 602 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 1: I'm all for starting new Christmas tradition. So if anyone 603 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: out there has any Christmas traditions that they think are 604 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: great for kids, because I'm on the fence about doing 605 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: Elf on the shelf. I don't think I have to 606 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: do it this year, but I was thinking of putting 607 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: the Elf on the shelf in Jack's December first box. 608 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: Oh maybe Elf on the Shelf could do something each 609 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: week or something not every day. Yeah, he's gone to 610 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: stay for a week. 611 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: Look. 612 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: So my high of the week, it's a pretty exciting one. 613 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: It's that I am going to be extending my family 614 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: to an extra kitten. 615 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 616 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: I was like, what, Yes, So a lot of the 617 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: listeners might already know that. I have two beautiful rag 618 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: dolls called Gigi and Bentley, and Dale's mum. She's got 619 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: a property up in the hills, and a cat has 620 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: given birth to these four kittens, and they're looking for 621 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: good homes for them. This cat is the spitting image 622 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: of our family, our previous family cat Lulu, and also theatre. 623 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: And I saw this cat and I had just this 624 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: connection with it. I was like, oh my god, I 625 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: love it. I didn't think anything of it because I 626 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: think Dale's already has enough fluff from the two cats 627 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: to deal with. He's not a huge animal person. So 628 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: I nearly died the next day when he said to me, 629 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you and that cat. 630 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: And I think you should get it. 631 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: Well, what's the difference between two and three cats? I mean, 632 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: it'd be different if it was a dog. Yeah, So 633 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: I am looking for name suggestions. We believe it's a 634 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: little girl, so I was thinking of Winnie, but I 635 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: suggested Winnie because gg was named after Gigi had did. 636 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: We also had Lulu, which is old, an old model, 637 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: so I'm thinking Winnie. 638 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: Harlowe. Yeah, well, Harlow very popular in the moment thanks 639 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: to Sarah's day. 640 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: Well, Winnie works because if a ends out that this 641 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: kitten is a boy, it can be a boys name. 642 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: It can be Winston. So anyway, Winnifred. Yeah. 643 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 644 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: Now my low of the week is that Anna Kendrick's 645 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: new movie has come out on Netflix. 646 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: It's been number one in Australia. 647 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Please don't talk about it because I hate scary movies 648 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: and you started telling me about it and it's just 649 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: freaked me out. No, it's good. I mean, it's worth watching. 650 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: I was watching it by myself, so I wouldn't recommend that. 651 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: But anyway, because she has been everywhere at the moment, 652 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: we've spoken about it before, a lot of people think 653 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: that Iron particular look like Anna Kendrick. 654 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: I did get it when I was in Utah as well. 655 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so now everyone keeps coming out of the woodwhere 656 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, you look like Anna Kendrick. 657 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: You look at Anna Kendrick. 658 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's just 659 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: been quite. 660 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,719 Speaker 2: Quite overwhelming the amount of people saying it. 661 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: Well, it depressed me because there was a troll comment 662 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: director to Anna Kendrick saying, oh, can this middle aged 663 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: woman stop winging? And I was like middle aged woman? 664 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, she's thirty nine, And then I 665 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: had this spiral because I'm like, wow, forty actually is 666 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: probably considered middle aged. How fucking good does she look 667 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: for thirty nine. You'd never think that she was thirty nine. 668 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: It looks like she's mid twenties. I actually really enjoyed 669 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: her interview on Call Her Daddy. 670 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: I need to listen to this. 671 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just want to be friends with her. 672 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: After listening to her talking on there, one of the 673 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: funny things that she'd actually discussed was one of her 674 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 1: biggest fears, which is people seeing her natural hair. So 675 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: she presents herself with straight hair, but what is it 676 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: naturally she presents straight so well, Basically Alex Cooper said 677 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: to her, what is the most high maintenance thing about you, 678 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: and she said, it's actually my. 679 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: Hair because I have I'm like a secret Curly. 680 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: Why I'm like a secret like like like Kerrie Russell 681 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: and Felicity level Curly, you have gorgeous hair. 682 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know what my hair looks like? With her wealth, 683 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: why does she not get it chemically straightened? 684 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but she said that he has become 685 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: such a big deal that she has never shown her 686 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: friends up until recently what her natural hair looks like. 687 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: So she's said that she had to do kind of 688 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: this big reveal chat to warn her friends, like, I'm 689 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: coming down, this is what my hair looks like just 690 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: after drive blow dried it. 691 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: It's not nice. 692 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: And she said that she even did a reveal to 693 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: her therapist because it was such a huge concern of hers. 694 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: So it made me like her even more because you 695 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: think these movie stars, what issues do they have? 696 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: Hm? 697 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's not a huge one, but. 698 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: It also made me think I really want to see 699 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: what her hair looks like. I know, I can only imagine. 700 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: I mean I kind of relate. 701 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: I don't like my hair naturally dried, but I now 702 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: wear it wet and a pulled back in a ponytail 703 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: all the time. Well, on that note, I probably could 704 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: talk about hair for another two hours, but we will 705 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: leave you to the rest of your Oh my, no, 706 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: we'll leave you to the rest of your Thursday. Thank 707 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: you again for listening. This episode was recorded on the 708 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaid Planes. 709 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: We pay respect to Elder's past and present and if 710 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: you do enjoy the show, tomorrow we are dropping a 711 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: subscriber only episode which we were about to record now. Yes, 712 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: and don't forget to follow Outspoken on TikTok and also 713 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: on Instagram. And while you're away, Kate so Thin and 714 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: I kept plugging our own TikTok quite insufferable. 715 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: Well, I actually am. 716 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: Putting up a recent TikTok of our Halloween party and 717 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: how I managed to get all this shit organized in 718 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: about two hours, So if you want to check that out, 719 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: and if I get my act together, I might put 720 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: a TikTok off about my first of December podcast. Yes, definitely. Well, 721 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for listening.