1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Katia Milan and Ashton Wood 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: are the latest members of the Tortured Influencers Department. Sammy 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Guggenheimer sparks relationship rumors, Emmy Lou's mistaken identity, and the 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: Influencer breakup we all saw coming. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert and so if 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: it's you and I again, I don't know how you're 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: doing it. It is your wedding week and you have 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: just been slogging it out. Yeah, it has been an awful, 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: awful week. I don't know if this is how most 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: brides feel. The stress is just getting to me. We've 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: had some very stressful family stuff going on. Also, the 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: weather forecast is saying forty degrees for Saturday, so I 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: mean again, I didn't want it to rain, so it's 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: definitely better than rain. But it's a little bit disappointing 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: that we are having a heat wave in March. 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: On my wedding weekend. 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: I nearly fainted when I looked at the bomb app 19 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: the other day, I refresh it and it popped up 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: saying it was thirty nine degrees at that point, and 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: we had a feeling it was going to be quite hot. 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: But we were deluding ourselves thinking that it might start 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: going down, but it only keeps going up. Yeah, the 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: start of the week it said thirty five, and then 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, surely by the weekend it'll have dropped 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: a few, but no, it has gone up a few. 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: We are getting married in Lobethal, so we're hoping it 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: might be a little bit cooler up there. Yeah, it 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: definitely will be a bit cooler. And your ceremony is 30 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: at five pm, so by then we're hoping the sun 31 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: is starting to not be as I think all the 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: listeners know by now that I've got two bridesmen in 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: the bridal party, and originally I practiced having them walk 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: out by themselves, and it's quite a long walk now 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: because we have repositioned these and it's kind of awkward 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: as well because we've at least got bunches of flowers, 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: whereas they don't really. 38 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: Know what to do with their hands. 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've made well, I have made the executive 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: decision after looking on TikTok that my two bridesmen are 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: going to be known as the sprite Boys, all the 42 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: Lemonade Boys, because it's going to be such a hot day. 43 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: I've seen that they have beer boys, and my partner 44 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: his favorite drink is lemonade, so we thought it'd be 45 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: quite funny to take the piece out of the fact 46 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: that it's boiling hot and have them coming down the 47 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: aisle handing out sprites. 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: I love it. I hope they bring one up to 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: me at the front. 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I will definitely need one as well. 51 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: I was wondering, Sophie. 52 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: I noticed this week that el McPherson has been posing 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: in photos with a lot of influencers at Melbourne Fashion Week, 54 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if you're going to take any note 55 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: from her posers, because for those who haven't seen it, 56 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: so Olivia Rodgers posted about it, so did Emmy Lou 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: and also Tally Smythe So they walk up to her 58 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: and it was really awkward because in each instance you 59 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 1: can tell that they're really star struck by her, because 60 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: this is at this meet and greet where they've got, 61 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, professional lighting and a camera set up. But yeah, 62 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: it's obvious that she's been told she has to be 63 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: part of this. Yeah, And in the video Olivia Rodgers sheet, 64 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: she went to put an arm around el McPherson's waist, 65 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: but then she kind of repositioned it. I watched it 66 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: in slow makes saved and I put it. And what 67 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: Elle actually did was she grabbed Olivia's hand and brought 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: it forward to force Olivia in front of. 69 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying positioned it. 70 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: It was so awkward though, the way she grabbed it was, 71 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: and because Elle has realized that if you're standing back 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: from someone, you're the smaller person, which is what models 73 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: I suppose. I mean, they know their angles. But I'm 74 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: hoping that you're not going to be pushing me out 75 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: if anyone. If anyone pushes me for it at my leading, 76 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: that will be I haven't even had time to consider 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: because before, like weeks before, it's like, oh, I better 78 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: think about how I'm going to pose in photos. Haven't 79 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: even thought of that. I like the more nonchalant photos anyway, 80 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: and I think that your photographer favors those two. I'm 81 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: just the most awkward person. I don't know if any 82 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: other brides who have recently got married have felt this, 83 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: but like I just don't know how to pose individuals 84 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: that they will tell you like a good photographer will 85 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: tell you, and you kind of get into this mindset 86 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: where you're performing the role of a bride, like I 87 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: thought it would be really awkward, and it is, but 88 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: you end up just being like, yep, I just want 89 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: to get the photos done quickly so I can go 90 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: and enjoy it. Yeah, if anyone has had their wedding 91 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: in forty degrees and they have any tips on how 92 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: to say maybe positive and also any tips for flowers 93 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: or how to keep guests cool, let me know. I 94 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: don't have much time, it's like twenty four hours, but 95 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: I'd appreciate it. 96 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: Support your favorite influence. 97 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: Katia Milan and Ashton Wood are the latest members of 98 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: the Tortured Influencers Department. On their podcast Common Chaos, they 99 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: complain that they're not coping with the evolving influencer industry 100 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: and urge their followers to support them now. Firstly, Kate, 101 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: who are Katia and Ashton Well? Cartia Milan is an 102 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: og Australian influencer and she's been living in London for 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: the last year or so and she's been an influencer 104 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: since she was fifteen. So she gained a following after 105 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: going viral for her festival looks. That was eleven years ago. 106 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: Now she is twenty six and she has half a 107 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: million followers on Instagram, one hundred and fifty seven one 108 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: thousand on TikTok, and she's also nearly cracked the half 109 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: a million mark on YouTube. As for Ashton, she gained 110 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: notoriety after appearing in Katia's YouTube videos, so she became 111 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: a full time influencer in twenty eighteen and she has 112 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty five thousand followers on Instagram, forty 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: nine thousand on TikTok, and one hundred and thirty five 114 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: thousand on YouTube. 115 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: Now. 116 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Alongside their influencing careers, the pair also hosts a podcast, 117 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Sophie, called common Chaos. Now. They seem 118 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: to have a big problem with the current state of 119 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: the influencing landscape. So Katier and Ashton believe that the 120 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: influencer industry is at a crossroad where longtime influencers are 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: being forced to decide whether they should return to traditional employment. 122 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: So Krti has shared that her and her friends are 123 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: feeling anxious and depressed about their future because the industry 124 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: is now so saturated. 125 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: She then said this, it is getting so saturated. 126 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 4: It makes me want to cry because I guess back 127 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 4: in the day, like there was not as many people 128 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: like when we started. We're kind of you know, like 129 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: you get that special feeling you're like, yeah, okay, I'm 130 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 4: doing something different. Not many people are doing it, and 131 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: now it's like boom, everyone's doing it. So it'd be 132 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: like in your workplace if you're all fighting for this 133 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 4: job like promotion. Yeah, job promotion, but you're up against 134 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 4: fifty thousand sorry, probably more than that. 135 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: You're against like thousands of people for this spot. 136 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: It seems to me like Cartier wants it to go 137 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: back to twenty sixteen, when influencers could just rely on 138 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: being hot and not have to put any effort into 139 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: their content. I also love that she's trying to explain 140 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: for the poor people at home that those of us 141 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: who have normal jobs that you know, that's like your 142 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: workplace being very competitive. That's the real world, no matter 143 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: what industry you're in. Well, when I started out in journalism, 144 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: it was like you won the lotto if you've got 145 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: a job at a network, even when you've done the degree, 146 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: done a master's worked for years, like that's just how 147 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: the world works. I'm afraid. Yeah, Well, they seem very 148 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: intent on letting their audience know what a grind the 149 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: job of an influencer is. So Katia said, all we. 150 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: Do is work, work, work. 151 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: There's so much that you guys don't see. They also 152 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: complained about the working conditions they faced, including the stress 153 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: of trying to book jobs, trying to get paid, and 154 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: keeping up with the trends of different social media platforms. 155 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: Now. 156 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: They also mentioned that apparently it can take up to 157 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: six months to get paid by a brand. Let's throw 158 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: to more of what they said. 159 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: But it's a job. 160 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: It is. 161 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: I think people forget it is literally a job. 162 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 5: And it's more just the pressure that comes with it 163 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 5: because there's not only in your city or country. It's 164 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: like global, like there's influences everywhere and everyone can work 165 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: with those brands. So it's like there's only a limited 166 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 5: amount of you know, dollars dedicated to marketing, which obviously 167 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 5: is a lot. 168 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: People don't see that pressure of Okay, in a normal job, 169 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: you have a salary or at least you know what 170 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: you're getting paid a week or I don't know how 171 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 4: normal jobs were not sound like an ups to idiot, 172 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: But I started this thing when I was literally fifteen, 173 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: so I can. 174 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: Tell brace me, yeah, grace me if you have a salary, 175 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: or if you're a casual or how does adult life work. 176 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 177 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: I've been living like a child. 178 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: Now. In terms of the advertising budgets that Ashton reference, yes, 179 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot more influences, but the budgets have 180 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: completely changed since back in the days. 181 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: So in twenty. 182 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Twenty three, the global influencer marketing spend reached thirty four 183 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: billion dollars. So I find it funny that they're crying poor, 184 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: saying that there's not enough money to go around. It's like, actually, 185 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: your issue is that you don't want to be competing 186 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: with people that are putting in more of an effort. 187 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to be one of those people who 188 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: are so naive and saying, oh, what are they doing? 189 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: They actually it is a genuine job. And as they're saying, 190 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: it's so much more competitive now, you can't just take 191 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: a hot photo of yourself, slap that up and expect 192 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: to get peak engagement. You've actually got to be creative. 193 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: And that's why I think that this job is actually 194 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: becoming more for content creators than people who people actually 195 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: like and relate to, or but that have marketing skills. 196 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: And you're totally right, Sophie. It is a job. But 197 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: when you compare it to a traditional job like a teacher, 198 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: childcare worker, doctor, nurse, the job of an influencer is 199 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: so cushy. You get flexibility, you get freebies, you get 200 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: paid to go on overseas trips. It is so tone 201 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: deaf and out of touch on your podcast winging about 202 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: how hard it is, I mean, put into perspective. A 203 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: couple of days before this podcast went to air, Cartier 204 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: filmed herself traveling first class back from Australia to London 205 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: and played the glamorous song Yeah, I mean, I can 206 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: see why they're upset, though. Can you imagine at the 207 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: age of fifteen having this job, as Cartier said, she 208 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: doesn't know any different, and then the rug being pulled 209 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: out from under you, because this will be a huge fall. 210 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: If she's acting like this is some sort of systematic 211 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: problem within the influence as well, this is going to 212 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: be a huge fall for those people. They will have 213 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: to enter their first real jobs at the age of 214 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: twenty five or their late twenties. Yes, this is kind 215 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: of like the child stars who made it big back 216 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: in the day on film sets and then suddenly we're 217 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: working as checkout chicks. Like It's going to be so 218 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: interesting to see how many influencers actually do go back 219 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: to regular work. I remember a couple of years ago 220 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: Michael Finch actually had a stint working at a pottery place, 221 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: but his was more that he actually wanted to go 222 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: and do full time work because he was bored. Well, 223 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: I think that we're also going to see which influences 224 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: were smart with their money and which had financial advice 225 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: early on, because there's a lot of them who've pissed 226 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: it away now. Katier and Ashton also complained about having 227 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: their worth and livelihoods dictated by a social media algorithm 228 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: that they can't control. So they said that the social 229 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: media companies are getting greedy and penalizing older accounts in 230 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: favor of newer ones to make more money and get 231 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: people to pay for ads. Here's what Cartier said. 232 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: I posted the fucking hottest selfies last night, pup. I 233 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 4: was like, no, no, I'm saving this for like a moment. 234 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 4: I hate that and then it was like flop and 235 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well. 236 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Again, it just like, oh, I can't rest on my 237 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: laurels of just posting hot selfies. And the whole thing 238 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: about not being able to control the algorithm isn't true 239 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: because it just seems like these two can't be bothered 240 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: to actually study it or put in the effort that's required. 241 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Because a lot of new content creators are out there, 242 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: they're putting in the hustle, they're creating content. So on TikTok, 243 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: I've seen so many videos talking about the algorithm and 244 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: saying you literally need to post at least three times 245 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: a day. I just think that they don't want to 246 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: do it, but also don't they have new TikTok accounts 247 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: because everyone's TikTok account is relatively new, it's a new platform. 248 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: It was quite funny because Ashen made this comment saying, 249 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: I think it's good we're talking about it because people 250 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: can probably notice us not slacking off, but being less 251 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: active and our passion not showing through. I always get 252 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: where's your YouTube videos? It's just so much work. So again, 253 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: that really spelled it out to me. They don't seem 254 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: like they want to put in the work. They also 255 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: said in this podcast that they're starting to feel irrelevant 256 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: and no longer special. There seems to be a big 257 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: blow to their ego that they're having to fight with 258 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: other influencers for jobs, and they did use this segment 259 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: as an opportunity to urge their followers to engage with 260 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: their content and support influencers. 261 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: Who have helped them. 262 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't like it when content creators ask people to 263 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: engage in their content. It's like, how about you create 264 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: content that I want to engage in. Cartia also admitted 265 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: that she's at the point where she doesn't know how 266 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: much longer she can do it anymore. 267 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: Let's write a more of what she said. 268 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 3: Well, you said it perfectly before. 269 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 5: When we're in the car, you're like, I don't I 270 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 5: feel like there's no space for me right now, Like 271 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 5: I don't really know. Like you kind of start to 272 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 5: be like what is my niche what am I bringing 273 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 5: to the table or online? Like I don't under like 274 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 5: what am I giving my audience? Like is my audience 275 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: even do they even care about what I'm posting anymore? 276 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 5: Especially if you're not getting good engagement. It's very detern Yeah, 277 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: makes you just feel really. 278 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: Shit because you irrelevant. Irrelevant. 279 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 4: Remember we literally have had so many moments or actionalize it. 280 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: And we go we are so irrelevant, like we're washed up. 281 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: It's not nice to hear anyone speaking about feeling irrelevant 282 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: and not worthy in all of those sorts of things. 283 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: I just think it is a bit concerning that there 284 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: haven't been any conversations before this about the longevity of 285 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: their careers, because surely they didn't think that they could share, 286 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, slap together makeup tutorials or talking about their 287 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: early twenties forever. Also, in every career, you have to 288 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: evolve and improve yourself, so I mean I found it 289 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: funny that they were complaining about having to keep up 290 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: with the different platforms. I mean, most people are like 291 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: I listened to a interesting segment on Mum and Mire 292 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: the other day where they were talking about whatever job 293 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: that you're actually in, you have to self promote. So 294 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: they're not the only people that are having to keep 295 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: up with their platforms. I mean, you would assume that 296 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: it is your top priority to be keeping up with 297 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: the platforms when your sole job is influencing we have 298 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: to issue a couple alert on Sammy Guggenheimer and Olivia 299 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: Rodgers ex Morgan Waterhouse. So Sammy got everyone talking this 300 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: week at Melbourne Fashion Week when she randomly posted a 301 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: photo of Morgan sitting front row at a runway show 302 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: with no context, so she's not in the photo. It's 303 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: like she's snapped it, kind of a bit of like 304 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: a fan photo. She ended up tagging him and he 305 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: reshared it, and then later on he also shared it 306 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: as a part of a photo dump from the event. 307 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that this is a sign that there's 308 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: something going on between them? Well, why else would she 309 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: share a photo of him like it's almost like this 310 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: soft launch thing. She actually looks a lot like Olivia. 311 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: She is absolutely stunning. 312 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. A lot younger than Morgan though, so I 313 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: think there's about a ten year age difference. And she 314 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: was previously dating an AFL footballer, so. 315 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: Maybe she's moved on to model. 316 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: Who knows. I mean, the eck is still developing for 317 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: me with Morgan. He has recently got a new pierced 318 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: ear and he's got this little hoop earring in it. 319 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan, but it's nice that he's moving on. 320 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: I suppose. 321 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get an ick from it, also because he's 322 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: moving on, you know, potentially with another influence, but also 323 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: a lookerlike influence. 324 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I always. 325 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Got the vibe that he was, you know, I mean, 326 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: obviously who wouldn't want to date Olivia Rodgers but almost 327 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: using her in a sense for a bit of a profile. 328 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: And the fact that he's now moved on with Sammy Guggenheimer, 329 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: who is probably bigger than Olivia Rodgers in terms of 330 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: her following on TikTok. I did see that Morgan was 331 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: at that PayPal event, the same one that Olivia was out. 332 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: He was there the night before though, Oh okay, because 333 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: I was going to say that would be pretty awkward, 334 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: especially if you are, you know, soft launching a new relationship. 335 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: Remember Morgan and Olivia's relationship was big news at Melbourne 336 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Fashion Week last year. There are so many iconic photos 337 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: of them walking in and you know, Paul Forsarci styling them. 338 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: Maybe this is all orchestrated from Morgan trying to get 339 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: a bit more attention. 340 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: Good morning, it is Saturday morning. Sports drop off Days, 341 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: Unlovely Day. 342 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Divisive influencer emmylu McCarthy has been invited aboard Virgin Voyages 343 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: for a free trip. Now it's not clear if she 344 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: is being paid or if the trip is gifted, as 345 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: when she started sharing about it, she simply put the 346 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: hashtag invited. 347 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: And this is a. 348 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Trend cake that I'm seeing a lot now with influencers. Yeah, 349 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: it seems like they don't want to put gifted. They 350 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: somehow feel like invited more represents what's going on. I 351 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: think invited works when you're clearly at a PR event, 352 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: so you probably haven't been paid to go, but you 353 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: might get a goodie bag and some food. It makes 354 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: sense because it's difficult to put a price point on 355 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: going to an event like this. But when it's a 356 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: ticket will two tickets a board a cruise, I think 357 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: that gifted is more appropriate. Yeah, because I saw a 358 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: lot of influencers who were invited to the eras tour 359 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: putting invited, and I'm like, when the tickets are worth 360 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: probably a thousand dollars, I think you need to put gifted. Yeah, 361 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: I totally agree. Now. Emmy Lou arrived for day one 362 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: of this cruise very on theme. She was wearing a 363 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: bright red T shirt and a matching bright red cap. Now, these, 364 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: of course, happened to be Virgin's iconic branding colors, and 365 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm guessing she thought it might look great in her 366 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: Instagram pictures, because all around this cruise ship are pops 367 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: of red. What she didn't think about was the fact 368 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: that she was going to get confused for staff, so 369 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: it was pretty awkward. Here's what she said, I exact 370 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: when you pressed my hand one of the stuffs, waiting 371 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: to see how long are we taking. 372 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: Myself half a house. 373 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: At least she seemed to have a bit of fun 374 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: with it, because I think that there's so many influencers 375 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: who have such big egos that they wouldn't even want 376 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: to admit the people didn't know who they were. And 377 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: I think that this really highlights the weird fame that 378 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: influencers have, because most influencers could walk down the street 379 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: and no one would have any idea who they were. 380 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: But then there is this sub community of people who 381 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: know that person's coffee order or know everything about it, 382 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: watch them give birth. I suppose most normal people have 383 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: had this experience, though, when they're in a store and 384 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: someone comes up and asks you where something is, and 385 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: you're so offended. I think Amy's had it a few 386 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: times when she was younger and cheapest chips. 387 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: I remember she was so pissed off. 388 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: She gets it a lot because for our business, we 389 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: have these little vests made and she'll be in Woolworths 390 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: and people will be like, oh, sorry, where's the best 391 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: and she'd be like, what the fuck? I don't know 392 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: where they are. 393 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 2: I just yeah. 394 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: I think it's extra awkward in that situation if you're 395 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: an influencer and you've been invited on this trip and 396 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: you've kind of had your tires pumped up, and then 397 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: no one knows who you are and expects that you're 398 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: working there. Now. She is one of a number of 399 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: influencers who have been invited aboard, and to me, it 400 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: was very reminiscent of the Ultimate World Cruise, which we 401 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: spoke about at the start of the year, because that 402 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: cruise has been trending on TikTok and many of the 403 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: guests have now garnered huge followings because people want to 404 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: follow along the drama, and I can see why they're 405 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: wanting to send influencers on this cruise ship. It is 406 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: an adults only cruise and there's a lot of nights 407 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of heavy drinking going on. I 408 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: do remember a similar cruise ship trip that influencers went 409 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: on in the UK, and it was funny because they 410 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: quickly discovered that there's a lot of swinging that goes 411 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: on board of cruise ships, and apparently if you wear 412 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: something that has fruit on it, people assume that you're 413 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: up for l swinging. So apparently one of the girl's 414 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: mums she had some sort of fruit earrings on and 415 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: she basically got approached by these people. He said, oh, 416 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: do you want to meet us in cabin fifty four. 417 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: That's pretty awkward because citrus is pretty on trend at 418 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: the moment, a lot of mistakes could happen. I wonder 419 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: if the publicist for Virgin is regretting inviting influencers on 420 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: the trip, because last week it came out that Virgin 421 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: actually not going to be returning to Australian waters for 422 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: their promised second sailing season, and that is in the 423 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: wake of escalating tension in the Red Seat. They don't 424 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: think it's safe anymore to be sailing there, So I 425 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: mean it's kind of a bit of a wasted opportunity 426 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, and also there's a spotlight now on 427 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: that messaging. That doesn't make me feel too good about it. 428 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. 429 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: UK influencers. 430 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: Saffron Barker's whirl wind romance with former Welsh rugby player 431 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: Lewis Reesambert has come to a dramatic end, with the 432 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: couple on following each other at mischeating rumors. I feel 433 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: like the writing has been on the wall ever since 434 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: this relationship started in December. Well, we did speak about 435 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: this in depth because at the time we were saying 436 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: it's quite unusual for an influencer to share so openly 437 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: about their relationship, and such a hard launch too, because 438 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: she does have a dating podcast and she was talking 439 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: about how she was so single on that and then 440 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: all of a sudden she uploaded these getty images of 441 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: her and this new guy at this movie event and 442 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: they were fully loved up photos. Yeah, there was a 443 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: lot of speculation that because it all came around so quickly, 444 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: that maybe it was for pr But then when Saffron 445 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: talked more about the relationship, it seemed like she was 446 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: very invested in this and wanted everyone to know how 447 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: loved up she was. I'm assuming because most rugby players 448 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: have a reputation for being cheaters or having girls on 449 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: the side, so maybe she just wanted everyone to back off. 450 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: I think you've got a point there, because when this 451 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: relationship was hard launched, she was trending across TikTok all 452 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 1: these women being really upset that he was no longer single. 453 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: She is known for russia into relationships as well, so 454 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: i'd say much rushing into relationships. I'd say she's known 455 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: for having committed relationships. She's a relationship girl, but I 456 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: think that she moves pretty quickly in her relationships. I 457 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: mean she also has a trend of long distance relationships, 458 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: which is what this relationship actually turned out to be. 459 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: They were actually long distance from the start because he 460 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: lives in Wales and she lives in Brighton in the UK, 461 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: so they were about a five hour car journey. But 462 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: then about six weeks into their relationship, he created headlines 463 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: when he announced he was quitting Rugby to join the NFL. 464 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: So it was an NFL training camp where he had 465 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: to move immediately, and it's a ten week camp and 466 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: she was in the snow, and she obviously had no 467 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: idea that this was happening. It was all very quick 468 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: and she was really upset about it. Oh, she has 469 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: been talking a lot about it on her podcast, and 470 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: she has been saying how difficult it is. There at 471 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: the five week mark of him being away at the moment, 472 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: and she says she barely gets to speak to him 473 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: because her excuse is that he's at this training camp 474 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: and the timings don't align well. I think that she 475 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: says that they have daily face times and she has 476 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: made many declarations of love during this time. She's called 477 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: him her soulmate in numerous TikTok videos. He's also written 478 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: her a love letter because she said she wanted a 479 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: love letter whilst he was over there. She also was 480 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: very forward in saying that she wanted something for Valentine's Day, 481 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: so we spoke about it a couple of weeks ago. 482 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: He set up this really epic ostentatious Valentine's Day. To 483 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: be fair, her mom actually set it up. So he 484 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: was in talks with her mum, who probably was like, 485 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: you need to do something. So there were rose petals 486 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: leading down her staircase. He gave her Louis Vauton shoes, 487 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: multiple bunches of roses, balloons, you name it. 488 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: She had it. It was very TikTok worthy. 489 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: It was awkward because she kept using this content and 490 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: writing if he wanted to, he would, And just a 491 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: few weeks ago she posted for his birthday and the 492 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: mess said happy birthday to my one and only. I 493 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 1: love you so much. Thank you for coming into my life, 494 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: for loving me unconditionally, for motivating me every day, and 495 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: for always holding my hand so tight that I know 496 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: you'll never let go. Now it seems like the old 497 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: saying is true that the better someone's relationship looks on 498 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: social media, the actual worst. It is because Saffron is 499 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: currently on a girl's trip in Dubai with her friend 500 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: Harriet and the shit has completely hit the fan. So 501 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: she posted a photo lying on a sun bed and 502 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: bikini's and eagle eyed fans quickly spotted that she had 503 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: a new tattoo of Lewis's initials. So it was in 504 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: the inside of her arm in very small writing. I 505 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: didn't even notice it when I first saw the photo. 506 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: Now this also comes off the back of her wearing 507 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: jewelry with his initials on it. Yeah, I mean, as 508 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: you said, Kate in regards to the tattoo, it was 509 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: so small that you really had to zoom to make 510 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: it out, but it was clear that he wanted to 511 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: draw attention to it. So he commented under the post 512 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: tattoo and he did a number of love hard emojis 513 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: and smiley faces, and she wrote he he and a 514 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: kissing face. So it all seemed to be like he 515 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: was quite happy about the tattoo. Now we do not 516 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: know what has gone down in the hours that passed, 517 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: but a couple of hours later fans quickly noticed that 518 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: his comment was gone and the couple were no longer 519 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: following each other. It does appear Saffron has blocked him 520 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: because she no longer has her pin photo of him 521 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: up and all of the tags have disappeared. Also because 522 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: normally if you block someone, your comments disappear on their page. 523 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: Two it gets juicier because under the post it appears 524 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: that a series of new Finster accounts have been created. 525 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: Some are speculating by Saffron, some are speculating by her friends. 526 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: It is all speculation, however, it is quite interesting now. 527 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: One of the finsters wrote, have you and Lewis broken up? Now? 528 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: Under that, a finster said, looks like it unfollowed each 529 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: other and his comment on this post about her tattoo 530 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: has also gone. The third Finster account said lo Leopards 531 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: never changed their spots. Hope everyone finds out too. Now. 532 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Saffron liked that post. See when you were reading it 533 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: out and I actually had seen the two initial comments, 534 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: I just assumed it was trolls shit staring. But the 535 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: fact that that person has commented saying Leopards never changed 536 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: her spots and she's liked it, Yeah, that is massive. Yeah. Well, 537 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: she also liked another comment that said he has been 538 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: caught out once again. He was talking to my family 539 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: friend in Brackets, my ex, and Saffron has just found out. 540 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: So yes, she liked that post, so she wants her 541 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: followers to note what has gone down. Fuck. I feel 542 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: for Saffron because I don't think Dubai has very good 543 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: memories for her because it's actually the holiday location that 544 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: she was accused of cheating on her previous boyfriend Tyler. 545 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: At again, that's all speculation. Well, Saffron and Lewis was 546 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: set to go to the mal Dives after his ten 547 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: week training camp. 548 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: Seem why they'd already booked. It be very. 549 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: Interesting to see what's going to go on there I'm 550 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: sure she'll take her friend or her mum with her. 551 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: They also have an energy drink business that they've only 552 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: just launched together. On her vlog, she's been talking about 553 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: having a lot of meetings about this business with Lewis's 554 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: business partner. So I don't know what is going to happen. 555 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but how quickly have this pair raced into things? 556 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: They've literally started dating in December, They've already opened a 557 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: business together, They've booked all of these trips getting tattoos. 558 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: This is all so many red flags. But I don't 559 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: know why she'd get the tattoo. I mean, it's clear 560 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: that she was head over heels in love with this guy, 561 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: and I do really feel for her. She's one of 562 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: my favorite influences and I was very invested in the relationship. 563 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, we spoke about how in December she'd bought 564 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: a soft toy and had her face printed on it. 565 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: She went in very strong, and a lot of people 566 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: are saying that she had stage five Klinger vibes, which 567 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: is why I feel extra sorry for her, because it's 568 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: just so shit. I hate when girls are made to 569 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: look stupid. Because obviously he's saying like spinning all this 570 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: shit to her for her to act that eager and 571 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: that keen. Yeah, I get where you're coming from, Like 572 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: you don't want to blame anyone in this situation, like 573 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: we actually don't know what has occurred, but I think 574 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: we do. I would think when you are an influencer 575 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: and she's been on social media since she was about fourteen, 576 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: and she's what twenty two, she's twenty three, twenty three, 577 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: you would think that you might just not make everything 578 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: so public because it just like when I was watching 579 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: this or on Unfold, I'm like, this is going to 580 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: be so awkward when they break up. 581 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: And I knew that they would break up. 582 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: I didn't think things would end well, but I did 583 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: not this quickly. No, I mean I do feel for her, like, fuck, 584 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: it would be so shit. And I think the reason 585 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: that she did want to make it so public is 586 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: because they're both public figures, and I think that she 587 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: was doing it as a thing to back off too. Yeah, 588 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: I think it shows insecurity. The worst bit is that 589 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: she does have this relationship podcast, and because she's already 590 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: spoken so openly about the relationship, she is going. 591 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: To have to divulge a lot but that would be 592 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: great for her podcast. 593 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: Oh God, I can't wait. I can't wait to hear 594 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: about it, and I do feel for it. But that 595 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: is all we have time for today's show. Thank you 596 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Please some prayers for my 597 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: weather temperature at my wedding to drop down. 598 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: That would be much appreciated. 599 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: Our cousin who is your bride'sman. He usually is on 600 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: the ball with these sorts of things. He predicted I 601 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: was having a baby boy, and he was correct. He 602 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: is predicting it's going to drop to twenty eight. Now 603 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: we're recording this on Thursday afternoon. I don't think it's 604 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna go down from forty to twenty eight. I think 605 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: that is wishful thinking. But I always forget the word manifest. Manifest. 606 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: See that's why nothing right happens for me, because I 607 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: can't even think of the fucking word. Yeah, but please 608 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: manifest some cooler weather come five o'clock on Saturday, and 609 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: hopefully I don't look like a burnt tomato. 610 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 611 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: Look, we're gonna have a great time regardless if it's 612 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: if it's hot or not. Anyway, this podcast was recorded 613 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana, people of the 614 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present 615 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: and if you do enjoy the show, please leave us 616 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: a five star review in our subscriber episode on Thursday, 617 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: we have finally convinced my partner to appear on and 618 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: we will be chatting all things weddings then. Yeah, and 619 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: just a note, Tuesday's episode will actually be out on 620 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: Wednesday because we do have a public holiday in South Australia.