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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers now and when

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Speaker 1: we can actually read one another and say, I know

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Speaker 1: you've given everything you've got. I've got more to give

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Speaker 1: right now. I'll take care of the kitchen, I'll look

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Speaker 1: That's the secret, that's the I'm showing up with my

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Speaker 1: percent of what I've got. And now here's the scars

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Speaker 1: of our show, my mom and dad. So just recently

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Speaker 1: you sent me a clip from Brene Brown. It's been

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Speaker 1: doing the rounds. It's been, in fact, not just doing

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Speaker 1: the rounds. So it's gone absolutely viral. It was blown

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Speaker 2: Introduce us to start the podcast.

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Speaker 1: We've started. Hello, I'm justin. We are the Coulson's and

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Speaker 1: this is the Happy Family's podcast. You sent me this

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Speaker 1: clip from Rene Brown about a fifty to fifty marriage.

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Speaker 1: She's saying that marriage is not fifty to fifty. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, and I thought we should play

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Speaker 1: it because the whole world has just about heard. It

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Speaker 1: has gone nuts since social media and I just think

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Speaker 1: we need to have a conversation about it.

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Speaker 3: Everyone says Marriag should be fifty to fifty. It's the

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Speaker 3: biggest croc I've ever heard. It's never fifty to fifty ever.

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Speaker 3: And so what we do is we quantify where we are.

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Speaker 3: So if Steve comes home and he'll be like, I

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Speaker 3: got twenty, just in terms of energy, just energy, investment, kindness, patience,

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Speaker 3: I'm out at twenty, and I'll be like, I'll cover you.

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Speaker 3: I got your brother, like I'll pull the eighty. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: we come home, which we have done a lot, my

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Speaker 3: mom has been sick, and I'll say I've got ten,

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Speaker 3: and Steve like two days ago, said I'm riding a

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Speaker 3: solid twenty five. So we know that we have to

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Speaker 3: sit down at the table anytime we have less than

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Speaker 3: one hundred combined and figure out a plan of kindness

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Speaker 3: toward each other.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Because the thing is marriage is not something that's

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Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. A partnership works when you can carry

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Speaker 3: their twenty or they can carry your twenty, and that

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Speaker 3: when you both just have twenty, you have a plan

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Speaker 3: where you don't hurt each other.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say, straight off the top, I

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Speaker 1: love it and I also hate it. It's both.

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Speaker 2: I know that you struggle with all of the numbers

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Speaker 2: and the quantifying of percentages.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally like the whole fifty to fifty thing

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Speaker 1: that that just doesn't resonate for me at all.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I have loved about our

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Speaker 2: relationship is we have always strived to bring one hundred

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean the narrative that I grew up

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Speaker 1: with was that if you only give fifty percent, if

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Speaker 1: you both walk in and say fifty plus fifty ECUs

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Speaker 1: one hundred, if I only gave you fifty percent, you

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Speaker 1: would feel that you would know that and you would

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Speaker 1: feel like I was only giving you half of me,

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Speaker 1: half of my heart, half of my enthusiasm, half of

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Speaker 1: possibly ever be good for our relationship. So I do

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Speaker 1: have an issue with the numbers. Maybe that's the only

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Speaker 1: issue I have with the way she's describing it. But

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Speaker 1: the whole fifty to fifty thing, though it's one hundred

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Speaker 2: Two one hundreds make a stronger, better hole.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like the two hundred is actually add up to

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Speaker 1: But just if I don't show up with one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not one hundred percent present. When I'm not

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent showing up, you'll usually say something to me.

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Speaker 1: You'll encourage me to either get off the phone or

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Speaker 1: don't know, being slothful and doing things that are not

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Speaker 1: contributing because you want one hundred percent from me. You

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Speaker 1: hang on, I'm giving one hundred percent here, I'm giving

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Speaker 1: everything that I've got, and what are you doing? Like

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Speaker 2: So if we can just leave the numbers out of

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Speaker 2: the conversation, yeah, I think the acknowledgement that from time

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Speaker 2: to time, each of us is not able to bring

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent today is going to be different

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Speaker 1: to my one hundred percent on Sunday or next Thursday

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Speaker 1: or whatever. It is, Like, my one hundred percent on

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Speaker 1: another day or twenty percent on another day. But it's

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Speaker 1: still one hundred percent so long as I'm showing up

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Speaker 2: That that is just it's such a powerful concept to

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Speaker 2: I love how she uses that word a partnership, which

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Speaker 2: means we actually come together, we partner together, yeah, to

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Speaker 2: support and help our family to grow and flourish. Then

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Speaker 2: I have to believe that in spite of the fact

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Speaker 2: that today what you're bringing to the table may not

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Speaker 2: be what I have experienced in the past that you

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Speaker 2: are still giving me your one hundred percent today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. And you can tell

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Speaker 1: whether somebody's showing up with everything, like you can tell

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Speaker 1: by looking at me, whether I'm completely spent and I've

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Speaker 1: got I've got nothing to give. You can tell just

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Speaker 1: by looking at me, and likewise with you. And what

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Speaker 1: to step in and say, it looks like you've had

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Speaker 1: Or I just take over. I might even say to you,

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Speaker 1: given everything you've got, I've got more to give right now.

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Speaker 1: I'll take care of the kitchen, I'll look after dinner,

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Speaker 1: that's the I'm showing up with my one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: I think the challenge comes when as a partnership, one

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like there's an equal share. When you

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Speaker 1: It's never going to be an equal share. Though. This

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Speaker 1: is the thing. And we've got so much data on

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Speaker 1: the division of labor around around a household, but just

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Speaker 1: because I'm okay, so in terms of division of labor, honestly,

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Speaker 1: if you were to look at how much I vacuum, iron,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about child related stuff, just

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Speaker 1: the cleanup in the house and the meal prep and

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Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, the shopping blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm nervous now. I was recently confident that you

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Speaker 1: were going to give me a glowing report. What percentage

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Speaker 1: would you say that I do? Really? Yes, you're taking

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Speaker 2: On average, I would say, you do about ten to

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Speaker 2: Are we including lawnmowing in there? No, no, including just

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Speaker 1: Ten to fifteen percent. So you're saying that you do

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Speaker 1: have said that I do about twenty to twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a solid ten percent above where you are,

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Speaker 1: like in terms of your evaluation of me. Let's say

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the domestic duties. And that's the way

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Speaker 1: it's worked in our home. When it comes to looking

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Speaker 2: Oh, ninety five percent?

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, who did the prning?

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Speaker 1: I did the prning. Thank you. Let's not get caught

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Speaker 1: up in the details here. We're just talking roughly, So

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Speaker 1: no matter what we look at though, we're saying my

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Speaker 1: contribution plus your contribution equals more than one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: In spite of that, we never get one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of everything done. And when we look at studies on

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Speaker 1: this topic, we find this consistently. The two people in

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Speaker 1: one hundred pcent. It's one hundred and ten hundred and

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Speaker 1: percent would you put on my shoulders? There? You're one

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Speaker 1: thing about this conversation, therefore, is how do you ever

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Speaker 1: work out what is fifty to fifty or what is

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Speaker 2: You spend your time trying to do that, then you've

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Speaker 2: actually missed the point.

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Speaker 1: The relationship is doomed. Is what I would say the

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Speaker 1: relationship is whileever.

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Speaker 2: I'm focused on the fact that you only do ten percent,

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Speaker 2: I see a deficit in our relationship, right. I don't

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Speaker 2: actually see you coming to the table and bringing your

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Speaker 2: because you are our breadwinner one hundred percent. You're not

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Speaker 2: and in your instance, you're actually traveling a lot. So

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Speaker 2: I don't see the fact. I know you feel like

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Speaker 2: it's a harsh mark, but I don't see that as

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Speaker 2: a deficit in our relationship.

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Speaker 1: So let me spin to the next thing, then, and

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Speaker 1: Studies shows that in families and households where there are children,

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Speaker 1: women usually do up to sixty percent of tasks. It

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Speaker 2: When you were struggling, for instance, I was able to

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Speaker 2: What I love about Brene's comments is that it's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, the idea that what's my plan of kindness

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Speaker 1: The pizzas have to go on the oven, frozen pizzas

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Speaker 1: Ten yeap fried eggs. I mean, last night I was

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Speaker 1: That I need more YEP from you in that moment.

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Speaker 2: Then my love for you continues to grow, and my

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Speaker 1: I came across a blog about ten years ago. I've

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Speaker 1: Seth Adam Smith wrote this thing. He said, marriage isn't

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Speaker 1: to make this really simple. Marriage isn't for you. You

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Speaker 1: don't marry to make yourself happy. You're married to make

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Speaker 1: You're marrying for a family, not just for the in laws.

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Speaker 1: Marriage isn't for you, It's not about you. Marriage is

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Speaker 1: how I bring my one hundred percent, even if I'm

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Speaker 1: I still cantend is not fair. It's me saying how

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Speaker 1: That's to me what Brene is kind of getting at.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't love the numbers, but

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Speaker 1: I love the principle and I'm glad you send it

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