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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome back to the Rise and Conk Podcast.

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Speaker 4: It is your host, Georgie Stephenson. As some of you

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Speaker 4: bringing back the best bits of the Rise and Conker Podcast.

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Speaker 4: We have nearly over two hundred episodes, so I thought

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Speaker 1: The fuck a diet for me was after ten years

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Speaker 1: It's really healing to do what you did and do

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